MAFIA KART WII [BASIC] - Mafia Sweep

[Sili Quirrels]

You two dont ping me yet. Thats all i got.

[seph]

 

 

Sili has almost worked to avoid commenting around me and Seph's posts.

I wouldnt know what i was talking about though.

What do you mean? We are actively posting all around you. Our early altercation happened when you were active as well. Maybe you dont have an opinion, I guess thats possible. But, you seriously straight never addressed us. It makes me feel like your connected to Seph.

 

if that's the case, you dont have to worry sili.

[Darthe]

Calder I wanna like you more than I actually like your slot.

 

Halp pls

[Calder]

I feel like I am going insane.

[seph]

@calder- I don't think I have ever played with someone, and they not think I was scum when I am town. So I want to go back and look at people defending me. I say whats on my mind, without any second thoughts. 
the only people this game who I actually would not find me suspicious for my play  is darthe, and alanna. possibly zander, but he isn't the best at reading me. I thought clov, but apparently that isn't the case.
maybe he is just mafia 

[Calder]

Calder I wanna like you more than I actually like your slot.

Halp pls

It would help open up a dialogue to discuss your thoughts on me and Seph.

[Sili Quirrels]

Maybe.

[Darthe]

They scattered thoughts, intangible almost. Fleeting.

[Clovdyx]

Your not wrong though. This feels especially choppy and disorganized. I think one of the major "helpful" voices is scum leader right now. Just to decide who.

 

It isn't a coordinated town look. Which looking back now sheds some light on people for me.

 

 

It isn't a coordinated town look because it's not.  Look at the vote count you posted.  There's six wagons, four of which have one vote.  They can't all be mafia.  Even if three of the four single voters are mafia, that means there was a 3-2 split on pure town wagons.  

 

Expanding on that above. My thought is that the thread state is odd. It has the feel of an experienced led scum team playing off and allowing town to have its own bad day 1. So if that is the case what does it suggest.

 

 

Point 1:

 

1 of the following group, but unlikely more than 1, is scum:

 

Liz

Sili

Clov

 

Given that there is no clear direction I would say the most vocal voice is most likely town (being allowed to assume the role). That would be Liz. So scum thread leader would be Sili or Clov for me. To risky to lynch either one obviously, but I like to keep track of who is in charge.

 

Point 2:

 

Although there is not enough thread play to suggest it right now, Darthe is almost certainly town in retrospect. Strong thread presence that town does not seem to have. Would leave me to bet he is a semi safe person to trust. As I feel town is down a voice right now.

 

I have no idea what to make of this post.  It's like I simultaneously love it and hate it.

 

I very much agree with the conclusion of the blue, but I don't understand your reasoning for getting there.  Why would a lack of clear direction indicate that she's town any more than there being clear direction?  

 

Also no idea why the thread state makes Darthe town.  I saw your response to Penny, but I still don't get it.  If either Liz or Sili is mafia, that still means there's two active leaders there.  You've been active, unless you want to claim not town.  Zander had put a lot out there.  What does that mean for his alignment?  And I don't see how it's more indicative of Darthe being town than any one else that was kind of out of the spotlight at the time.

 

How is Darthe someone to trust? I think he is the most likely person to be hidden scum for a while.

 

Probably wouldn't be my first pick, but I'm interested to hear why you think so.

 

 

Zander, what makes you so confident this isn't scum Hallia?  As much as I think Sili is reaching in his case to condemn her, you're either reaching to NOT condemn her or you're seeing something I'm not.  Basically the only thing I've seen from her this game is apparently her being OnVacation!Hallia, which doesn't mean a thing for her alignment either way.

 

When did I say I was confident Hallia wasnt Scum?

 

I would say Im prolly in the upper echelon of Hallia readers, she did fool me in Shad's game but in my defense I wasnt in the best state of mind and Darthe and Lainey had me so far off tilt I didnt really focus on her much and read her mostly off of her defense of lolme.

 

Scum Hallia usually starts off strong, tends to taper off as the game progresses.  She is OMGUS's and snarky well snarky by Hallia standards which is more like a cute puppy when you take its favorite chew toy away.  And tends to be a little more jokey to alleviate pressure and create/force thread presence.

 

I havent seen that yet from her which is a good sign but also knows shes on vacation so Im taking that into consideration on my read of her.

 

Hallia becomes much easier to read as the game progresses and is usually a prime mislynch candidate.

 

Gun to head slight Town read thus far.  Her frustration reads pretty genuine to me but I also know she's on vacation so that makes it ring more true to me. 

 

I think the reasons Sili are foolish so I called it out.  Sili does silliy things for Sili reasons.  And Im trying to determine where he's coming from to help me formulate my read on him.

 

 

You didn't explicitly say you're confident that Hallia isn't scum, but your approach to her suggests that you ought to be.  Your take on her meta isn't one I necessarily disagree with, and you said that you haven't seen that from her yet.  That's entirely true, but what have you seen of her town meta?  

 

Hallia, as town, will throw out reads and make SOME effort to justify them.  A lot of the time, it's just an instinct thing, but she speaks her mind and isn't afraid to go against the grain.  This game, she hasn't really done that.  She definitely hadn't done that last night when Sili was pushing her.  The vacation thing still applies, but that's why I have a hard time imagining anybody had strong feelings about her in either direction.  

 

The best thing she's had going for her to me was that she seemed upset with how Sili was pushing her.  I'm not going to give her a whole lot of credit for that, because like you said last night...she's an emotional player.  She's going to be upset at being called pathetic regardless of her alignment (and understandably so!)

 

 

While u may not be pathetic you should concede that your effort is lol.

 

U may have a valid reason but that dont matter lol.

 

So his you buddy Zev's yet youre Town reading him based off of no game experience but yet you've said you've played a but with Hallia but are taking issue with her doing it?

 

Not seeing why the double standard here Sili.

 

Also valid reasons are typical valid are they not?

 

 

 

You already know what I think about lynching lurkers, and I think I've made it clear who I'm trusting and not trusting.  If the quiet players start posting, I'll evaluate them appropriately.  If not...well, things happen.

 

That being said, I think this might be the earliest I've been tinfoiled on by a player that's never seen me place, so that's pretty cool.

Well, I heard the rumours about what a great player you are from the same source that I heard about Calder from

 

 

Did Liz just win the internets?

 

 

Top - I think this is a pretty good point for Zander to make.  I really don't think it means much for Sili to 'defend' his friend until we know Zev's alignment, but I like that Zander noticed it and pointed it out.

 

 

Bottom - I'd probably vote Zander just for that. 

[Zander?]

Liz- Only thing I dont like is that she seems to be reading me with a bias irt to my posts and content but that may just be the fact that she's legit trying to read me.  Other then that she's been the most Towny thus far imo.  I think a lot of what she does has reasoning

 

Darthe- Have agreed with a fair bit of what he's had to say.  I also think with a lot of the back and forths irt to Sili, Celsete. seph, Calder and myself Scum!Darthe had an opportunity to jump on someone and it wouldnt look bad.  That being said I've only seen Darthe Scum in Cory's offsote game where I was a Maf DOc Ghost and he missed of D1 and he exterminated me...and I didnt pay all that much attention to him.

Lainey- As with Liz I like the fact that she seems to be legit trying to read my slot correctly and not wanting to make the same mistake as in Shad's game.  She's been engaged and involved.

 

Clov- Clov seems to be looking at things from all angles and weighing in on things.  Im sure he could do that as either alignment and Clov is obv very likely able to fool me.  But he hasnt dont anything to ping me.  If Clov is still alive come D2-3 ill be very suspect of him.  Im sure he'll love that last comment but its certainly something Ill be looking at.

Hallia- Hasnt been obv Town yet but Ive no problem with her content and I know she's busy in RL, her frustration with Sili felt very genuine to me.

 

 

Calder- Nothing's pinged me but I dont know how to read Calder so Im gonna need some more to go off of to formulate a read.  Havent hated his more recent stuff. 

 

Sili- I disagree with almost everything he's said but I also cant see how Scum!Sili takes this approach.

 

Thane- Liked his reads list but need more.  Thane's evolved his game so not as easy a read as he used to be,

Zev- Nothing to go off of.

 

seph- Strongish start but later when I read his posts they're just kinda blah.  Dont like his Calder reasoning and havent liked his catchup either.  Wanna try to go back and read him over tho.  I aint the best at reading him.

 

Penneh- Ive explained this enough I think and she's yet to do anything to change my opinion atp.  Only thing holding me back from feeling more certain is the fact she's normally Scummy af.

[Sili Quirrels]

zev is a new player. Dont want to lynch him therefore. His alignment shouldnt matter.

 

Anyway zander is offbase there.

[Darthe]

D1 pass is a thing but I dont allow them against good evidence that the newbie is a wolf.

 

So this one is approved pending a case.

[Hallia]

I like how you said that, Derf

[Calder]

Taking a momentary break from my frustration over this game I bring you this insane fact.

 

The CEO of Food for the Poor is named Robin Mahfood.

[Clovdyx]

@Clov

 

Curious to your significant progress line. I understand no more votes have come in, but I think the argument has progressed and I think there is an odd lack of defense that is strange.

 

Interesting that outsiders are not weighing in.

 

I don't know.  I think you're right about Seph being mafia.  I've explained why.  But there is a little hesitation that you basically went there in RVS and haven't needed to shift off.  It's entirely possible, and maybe even probable at this point, that you happened to get it right but it gives me just a minor amount of pause.

 

@ clov. I am twisting narrative? you are literally picking apart everything I say to fit your narrative, your only viewing it from your perspective. and I just don't really care anymore.

 

also this is the last thing I am going to say involving calder. 

1. I like the guy, he seems pretty cool.

2. I absolutely Hate his mafia play style. It is honestly gotten better this game, but he seems like a anti town player from what clov and others have said. So basically he plays like this, claims mafia as town to benefit himself when he is mafia. All it does is hurt the town.

 

two was a bit of speculation, because I obviously don't know the guy and his play this game has gotten better since I dropped off.

His last few game related posts have felt more town orientated, though the ones about the scum leader, or being one of the main voices is null.

[unvote]

 

I don't think I'm picking apart everything you say at all.  First, I'm pretty sure I pointed a couple things yesterday that I actually didn't have any issue with you saying.  Your push on IR based on him not really 'solving', when you have no idea about his playstyle, for example.  I think there's a very reasonable chance that you would come to that conclusion as town.  So right off the bat, I think you're wrong there.

 

Secondly, you weren't even here for the past 24 hours, so it's not like you've really given me much else to look at.

 

Bold - I wouldn't refute this, even if I wanted to.  Mixed feelings on the playstyle as a whole...he and I have had that debate on multiple occasions, and we both have a mutual understanding on where the other is coming from.  I don't see a need in getting into it again.  

 

So if you're feeling better about him, where's your head at now?

 

@calder- I don't think I have ever played with someone, and they not think I was scum when I am town. So I want to go back and look at people defending me. I say whats on my mind, without any second thoughts. 

the only people this game who I actually would not find me suspicious for my play  is darthe, and alanna. possibly zander, but he isn't the best at reading me. I thought clov, but apparently that isn't the case.

maybe he is just mafia 

 

Explain to me where you're going with this.  Because I know what my initial response to this post was, and it's very hard to not rip your head off for it, but for reasons I don't understand I'm going to give you a chance to clarify before I "twist your words to fit my narrative."

 

[seph]

 

@Clov

 

Curious to your significant progress line. I understand no more votes have come in, but I think the argument has progressed and I think there is an odd lack of defense that is strange.

 

Interesting that outsiders are not weighing in.

 

I don't know.  I think you're right about Seph being mafia.  I've explained why.  But there is a little hesitation that you basically went there in RVS and haven't needed to shift off.  It's entirely possible, and maybe even probable at this point, that you happened to get it right but it gives me just a minor amount of pause.

 

@ clov. I am twisting narrative? you are literally picking apart everything I say to fit your narrative, your only viewing it from your perspective. and I just don't really care anymore.

 

also this is the last thing I am going to say involving calder. 

1. I like the guy, he seems pretty cool.

2. I absolutely Hate his mafia play style. It is honestly gotten better this game, but he seems like a anti town player from what clov and others have said. So basically he plays like this, claims mafia as town to benefit himself when he is mafia. All it does is hurt the town.

 

two was a bit of speculation, because I obviously don't know the guy and his play this game has gotten better since I dropped off.

His last few game related posts have felt more town orientated, though the ones about the scum leader, or being one of the main voices is null.

[unvote]

 

I don't think I'm picking apart everything you say at all.  First, I'm pretty sure I pointed a couple things yesterday that I actually didn't have any issue with you saying.  Your push on IR based on him not really 'solving', when you have no idea about his playstyle, for example.  I think there's a very reasonable chance that you would come to that conclusion as town.  So right off the bat, I think you're wrong there.

 

Secondly, you weren't even here for the past 24 hours, so it's not like you've really given me much else to look at.

 

Bold - I wouldn't refute this, even if I wanted to.  Mixed feelings on the playstyle as a whole...he and I have had that debate on multiple occasions, and we both have a mutual understanding on where the other is coming from.  I don't see a need in getting into it again.  

 

So if you're feeling better about him, where's your head at now?

 

@calder- I don't think I have ever played with someone, and they not think I was scum when I am town. So I want to go back and look at people defending me. I say whats on my mind, without any second thoughts. 

the only people this game who I actually would not find me suspicious for my play  is darthe, and alanna. possibly zander, but he isn't the best at reading me. I thought clov, but apparently that isn't the case.

maybe he is just mafia 

 

Explain to me where you're going with this.  Because I know what my initial response to this post was, and it's very hard to not rip your head off for it, but for reasons I don't understand I'm going to give you a chance to clarify before I "twist your words to fit my narrative."

 

 

go for it. I have explained what was ment in the post. I'm not even sure ill have the time to re read

[Calder]

@Clov

Curious to your significant progress line. I understand no more votes have come in, but I think the argument has progressed and I think there is an odd lack of defense that is strange.

Interesting that outsiders are not weighing in.

 

I don't know.  I think you're right about Seph being mafia.  I've explained why.  But there is a little hesitation that you basically went there in RVS and haven't needed to shift off.  It's entirely possible, and maybe even probable at this point, that you happened to get it right but it gives me just a minor amount of pause.

 

 

 

 

Spacing this bc on my phone and I think I messed up the quote. Your hesitant bc I came out of the gate against him? Is that me understanding you right.

 

I mean I did the same thing against Dicetosser with my first post in my previous game on here. And was right. You may come back and say yea but her was your teammate. To which I will respond - I started playing before checking the scumchat lol to see who my teammates were.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

@Clov

 

Curious to your significant progress line. I understand no more votes have come in, but I think the argument has progressed and I think there is an odd lack of defense that is strange.

 

Interesting that outsiders are not weighing in.

 

I don't know.  I think you're right about Seph being mafia.  I've explained why.  But there is a little hesitation that you basically went there in RVS and haven't needed to shift off.  It's entirely possible, and maybe even probable at this point, that you happened to get it right but it gives me just a minor amount of pause.

 

@ clov. I am twisting narrative? you are literally picking apart everything I say to fit your narrative, your only viewing it from your perspective. and I just don't really care anymore.

 

also this is the last thing I am going to say involving calder. 

1. I like the guy, he seems pretty cool.

2. I absolutely Hate his mafia play style. It is honestly gotten better this game, but he seems like a anti town player from what clov and others have said. So basically he plays like this, claims mafia as town to benefit himself when he is mafia. All it does is hurt the town.

 

two was a bit of speculation, because I obviously don't know the guy and his play this game has gotten better since I dropped off.

His last few game related posts have felt more town orientated, though the ones about the scum leader, or being one of the main voices is null.

[unvote]

 

I don't think I'm picking apart everything you say at all.  First, I'm pretty sure I pointed a couple things yesterday that I actually didn't have any issue with you saying.  Your push on IR based on him not really 'solving', when you have no idea about his playstyle, for example.  I think there's a very reasonable chance that you would come to that conclusion as town.  So right off the bat, I think you're wrong there.

 

Secondly, you weren't even here for the past 24 hours, so it's not like you've really given me much else to look at.

 

Bold - I wouldn't refute this, even if I wanted to.  Mixed feelings on the playstyle as a whole...he and I have had that debate on multiple occasions, and we both have a mutual understanding on where the other is coming from.  I don't see a need in getting into it again.  

 

So if you're feeling better about him, where's your head at now?

 

@calder- I don't think I have ever played with someone, and they not think I was scum when I am town. So I want to go back and look at people defending me. I say whats on my mind, without any second thoughts. 

the only people this game who I actually would not find me suspicious for my play  is darthe, and alanna. possibly zander, but he isn't the best at reading me. I thought clov, but apparently that isn't the case.

maybe he is just mafia 

 

Explain to me where you're going with this.  Because I know what my initial response to this post was, and it's very hard to not rip your head off for it, but for reasons I don't understand I'm going to give you a chance to clarify before I "twist your words to fit my narrative."

 

 

go for it. I have explained what was ment in the post. I'm not even sure ill have the time to re read

 

 

Here's how I took it.

 

"People read me as scum a lot, so it's unnatural for people to town read me."

 

On it's own, I don't have a huge issue with that.  If a player is being white knighted and it feels unnatural, it might be.  But that doesn't fit with your narrative that I'm somehow mafia for reading you as scum.

 

And I'm still waiting to see where I'm twisting your words to fit my narrative.

[Clovdyx]

Spacing this bc on my phone and I think I messed up the quote. Your hesitant bc I came out of the gate against him? Is that me understanding you right.

 

I mean I did the same thing against Dicetosser with my first post in my previous game on here. And was right. You may come back and say yea but her was your teammate. To which I will respond - I started playing before checking the scumchat lol to see who my teammates were.

 

I'm a little hesistant, not because you came out of the gate against him.  I couldn't care less about that.  What concerns me is that you're still there.  Part of it makes sense to me because I absolutely think he IS a good lynch candidate today.  But I have to wonder if maybe you started pushing him for distancing and then couldn't really work your way off, or maybe I'm just playing a really bad game.

 

In any case, I'm not trying to insinuate you're mafia.  I don't think you are.  I'm trying to explain why I'm not more confident in my read about you.

[Clovdyx]

zev is a new player. Dont want to lynch him therefore. His alignment shouldnt matter.

 

Anyway zander is offbase there.

 

dwut.

[seph]

so your only concern with my post was me calling you scum for that? if that's the case your initial reaction seems a bit much. "before I rip your head off"
I don't have a read one way or another. You have had some very towny posts, but yea the way your focusing on me concerns me a bit. just my opinion.

[Clovdyx]

so your only concern with my post was me calling you scum for that? if that's the case your initial reaction seems a bit much. "before I rip your head off"

I don't have a read one way or another. You have had some very towny posts, but yea the way your focusing on me concerns me a bit. just my opinion.

 

It has nothing...okay, it has very little...to do with the fact that it's me.  Because it wasn't just me, it was also IR.  Your post suggests that people who townread you are likely coming from a TMI angle and a very large percentage of you've done this game is fight with people who push you while ignoring/writing off the people who have you as town.

 

What you say doesn't match with what you've done.

[Sili Quirrels]

doing a laine iso. pages 1-5

Wait. I never vote this early d1...

[unvote]

votes derf and unvotes within a minute. silly, but also self-aware.

 

I confused Sili

Lololol

sort of lol.

 

In before Darthe says theres one wolf in the thread right now

 

where does this come from by the way? i'm sort of thinking it's a sign you're thinking about how others will act more than how to interpret their actions

 

 

 

 

 

In before Darthe says theres one wolf in the thread right now

Theres one wolf in the thread right now though, and its maybe calder maybe sili. Idk yet

 

If you ask Calder kindly, he might just admit to it

 

Seph seems tense

 

This is after I said Seph was too confident and pushed him a little for it.  Might just be a coincidence though, or two independent lines of thought.

 

Personally I find I have a lot more to prove as scum than town, Darthe. Something to do with having a guilty conscious. You're right though, it's probably more positive than neg right now anyways.

Noted.

 

 

 

 

 

I have def seen Laine have a similar day phase entrance before (quick vote and strange unvote). I have zero idea what alignment she was.

I have. I also believe I've recently (?) mentioned that I barely ever vote d1 until I'm certain. Wanted to see who was paying attention.

 

1. I don't understand this. IF you wanted to see reactions why wouldn't you just vote? The very next post you yourself told us that you don't vote early, and unvoted. ruining and reactions you say you wanted to get.
 

 

 

Dont see it irt seph

I guess there's two sides to this. One is that Seph appears out of place while everyone else is joking and getting their groove with the game. He comes straight in trying to make reads from jokes, which I don't fault him for, necessarily. But at the same time, it makes it look like he's got something to prove.

2. this feels like your singling me out alanna. the only people itt that were joking was thane and zander. myself, darthe, sili, caldur, and now a few others are all trying to get this game started.

 

Personally I find I have a lot more to prove as scum than town, Darthe. Something to do with having a guilty conscious. You're right though, it's probably more positive than neg right now anyways.

 

3. flip flopping already? at least stick with your read,there wasn't many posts between them.

 

 

1. I never said I wanted reactions specifically from my vote, Seph. I really just wanted to see who jumped on my vote/unvote. I like that you're getting into the game.

2. Not singling you out, but you're the one that's jumping on every post, so it's pretty easy to point to you as the srs bsn one here. I'm just floating in and out at the moment, personally, waiting to see who shows up. (also, it's nap time)

3. I have no response to this. I just.. can't.

 

Apparently I'm too light hearted for this game at the moment. I'll come back after I've upped my Serious to level 100.

 

 

(1) seems to be a contradiction? votes and unvotes are reactions after all, but also, if you wanted to see who jumped on after both our votes, then why did you unvote within a minute of placing the vote with the excuse you 'never vote this early'?

 

then she pairs the explanation with a compliment to get away from the fact the explanation makes little sense?  am i reading too much into it? (maybe)

 

(2) laine is of course quite correct here.

 

I empathize with the reasoning seph is trying too hard, but (3) is backtracking, though it's hard to say whether it's scummy flipping. Laine is probably implicitly correct here too. *shrug*

 

It was a bad post by Seph since it jumps the gun.

 

Seph do u think I'm a wolf already?

Already? Implies you expected it, but not this early, even though he's fosing you quite seriously.

 

Got to ask why you're asking.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

zev is a new player. Dont want to lynch him therefore. His alignment shouldnt matter.

 

Anyway zander is offbase there.

 

dwut.

 

It's a matter of ethics imo.

[Lizabeth]

Expanding on that above. My thought is that the thread state is odd. It has the feel of an experienced led scum team playing off and allowing town to have its own bad day 1. So if that is the case what does it suggest.

 

 

Point 1:

 

1 of the following group, but unlikely more than 1, is scum:

 

Liz

Sili

Clov

 

Given that there is no clear direction I would say the most vocal voice is most likely town (being allowed to assume the role). That would be Liz. So scum thread leader would be Sili or Clov for me. To risky to lynch either one obviously, but I like to keep track of who is in charge.

 

Point 2:

 

Although there is not enough thread play to suggest it right now, Darthe is almost certainly town in retrospect. Strong thread presence that town does not seem to have. Would leave me to bet he is a semi safe person to trust. As I feel town is down a voice right now.

Can you explain that last comment about Darthe a bit? Why is he almost certainly strong in retrospect? Are you saying he's a strong thread presence, because I'm struggling to remember much of what he's done...(no offence, Darthe).

 

(catching up so sorry if this has been asked and answered, but if it hasn't been, please answer. kthx!)