MAFIA KART WII [BASIC] - Mafia Sweep

[seph]

here and attempting to catch up

[Hallia]

I think between her and Celeste, that Celeste looked scummier. I would lean slight town for now.

[Calder]

 

Oh damn. Clov has been tagged in and we are going for the Seph pin.

It was very hard to not call you a smug... when Liz asked what I think about you.

I try to remove my smugness, but:

 

"If you want to be a new man you have to stay in new places, and do new things, with new people who never knew you before. If you go back to the same old ways, what else can you be than the same old person."

 

- Logen Ninefingers

[seph]

my head hurts from reading zanders and silis conversations.

[Clovdyx]

I think between her and Celeste, that Celeste looked scummier. I would lean slight town for now.

 

I really meant on somebody besides her, but this is a start.

[Celeste]

 

i got a feeling ill end up sheeping clov today.

 

 

What if he's scum?

 

Oh, what I read Clov was "unless you think it's actually scum me."

 

 

 

 

 

If by contradiction, you mean the "unless you're mafia" caveat....it really doesn't make sense to me from any POV.  If I'm town, I don't think I would ever tell somebody to stop tunneling me unless they were mafia.  If I'm mafia, I already would know they're not and can accept their "tunnel" (or lack thereof, in this case) actually HAS merit so it wouldn't be a natural response for me at all.

 

I guess if someone knew the other person wasn't going to stop and wanted a reason to OMGUS...?

 

What celeste said was "unless you think it's actually scum me." Which I take to mean, do not tunnel me unless you have a reason to.

 

Yeah, but I still have trouble fitting that with either mindset.  If she's going to be that pissed about Liz tunneling her, does it really matter whether Liz believes Celeste is mafia?  And why would Celeste ever believe that Liz is going to deliberately tunnel her if she DIDN'T think she was mafia?

Actually, having read through this conversation, I think I know what she's getting at. In which case, lecture mode is coming on...

 

Once upon a time there was a game called True Love II on PerC. After determining that Lassie (aka penny aka celeste aka alette) was town, I decided to use her as bait for scum. However, that backfired because she became extremely paranoid and wouldn't take my hints (or what eventually had to turn into blatant reassurances) that I was not actually trying to get her lynched and she took the first chance she got to get me mislynched during that game.

 

There's other  history too, but we don't have to get into all of that...

 

The point is, that I can see where her statement about me "actually tunnelling her" only if I think she's scum could be her being sensitive and paranoid that I might try to use her that way again. In which case: Lassie - you're going to have to get over it. That's all I'm going to say on that. When you're playing mafia, stuff happens. You are going to get suspected for stuff and get called scum. My job is to try to figure out your alignment. Your job is to figure out mine. So you feeling hurt because I suspect you right out of the gates is not helpful if you're town.

 

If you want to know what I really thought when I made that statement: you pinged me wrong. Your catchup comments rang false to me, which is why I called you out. Was it enough for me to switch my vote for you? No. It was enough for me to want to see how you'd respond.

 

I will admit that this lecture is partially unfair because you didn't stay stuck on the issue, it was other people (like Zander...gonna get to that after I catch up some more) who were pushing you to fight me on it, so that's progress from the last time. But it annoys me, to be honest, that you're making this an issue at all. If you expect me to treat you with kid's gloves this game because of your reactions in the past, then no. That's not me doing my job.

 

If you're scum, then you should know that this type of emotional manipulation doesn't work on me. Either way I'm not going to stop poking if I feel something needs to be poked. So you're going to have to figure out how to deal with that.

 

(And I do love you which you know, so consider this to be a tough love lecture that hopefully can end right here :hug:)

I'm not expecting you to treat me with kid gloves, what I did expect was if I pinged to you that you would say it's straight up pinging instead of simply saying "scum!lassie :sad:" which is us not understanding each other right away because of phrasing.

[seph]

 

 

 

Hey y'all. I didn't think this would start just yet, will do my best from out here. Darthe looking towny so far.

 

 

Hey there, Hallia

What's it like in San Diego City?

I'm a thousand miles away

But, girl, tonight you look so townie

Yes you do

DM town square can't shine as bright as you

The wolves are watching you

 

This was a pretty quick instaresponse.....

 

 

Copy paste lol. Was playing around with user names and typed that up 10 minutes before that.

 

 

 

But you even have the city right man.

 

Meh, I dont like it but I also have trouble thinking Scum or Scummates post that.

 

does calder talk with hallia outside of the game, or have any reason to have the city right?

[Celeste]

 

Seph votes confuse me. What y'all seeing?

Also mixed feelz on clov. I want to like him more than I actually do like him so far.

 

 

An opportunity for discussion, mainly.  

 

I already pointed out some things that stood out to me about Seph early on.  I don't even know if they seem scummy to me as much as unnatural.  It was 80 posts into the game when he made that post I quoted.  Did he really need to point out that Alanna had flip flopped?  If she had, does that mean anything for her alignment?

If him pointing that out is the reason Darthe is so set on him, then it really doesn't make him look town to me.

[Celeste]

 

 

i got a feeling ill end up sheeping clov today.

 

What if he's scum?

 

Oh, what I read Clov was "unless you think it's actually scum me."

 

 

 

 

If by contradiction, you mean the "unless you're mafia" caveat....it really doesn't make sense to me from any POV.  If I'm town, I don't think I would ever tell somebody to stop tunneling me unless they were mafia.  If I'm mafia, I already would know they're not and can accept their "tunnel" (or lack thereof, in this case) actually HAS merit so it wouldn't be a natural response for me at all.

 

I guess if someone knew the other person wasn't going to stop and wanted a reason to OMGUS...?

What celeste said was "unless you think it's actually scum me." Which I take to mean, do not tunnel me unless you have a reason to.

 

Yeah, but I still have trouble fitting that with either mindset.  If she's going to be that pissed about Liz tunneling her, does it really matter whether Liz believes Celeste is mafia?  And why would Celeste ever believe that Liz is going to deliberately tunnel her if she DIDN'T think she was mafia?

Actually, having read through this conversation, I think I know what she's getting at. In which case, lecture mode is coming on...

 

Once upon a time there was a game called True Love II on PerC. After determining that Lassie (aka penny aka celeste aka alette) was town, I decided to use her as bait for scum. However, that backfired because she became extremely paranoid and wouldn't take my hints (or what eventually had to turn into blatant reassurances) that I was not actually trying to get her lynched and she took the first chance she got to get me mislynched during that game.

 

There's other  history too, but we don't have to get into all of that...

 

The point is, that I can see where her statement about me "actually tunnelling her" only if I think she's scum could be her being sensitive and paranoid that I might try to use her that way again. In which case: Lassie - you're going to have to get over it. That's all I'm going to say on that. When you're playing mafia, stuff happens. You are going to get suspected for stuff and get called scum. My job is to try to figure out your alignment. Your job is to figure out mine. So you feeling hurt because I suspect you right out of the gates is not helpful if you're town.

 

If you want to know what I really thought when I made that statement: you pinged me wrong. Your catchup comments rang false to me, which is why I called you out. Was it enough for me to switch my vote for you? No. It was enough for me to want to see how you'd respond.

 

I will admit that this lecture is partially unfair because you didn't stay stuck on the issue, it was other people (like Zander...gonna get to that after I catch up some more) who were pushing you to fight me on it, so that's progress from the last time. But it annoys me, to be honest, that you're making this an issue at all. If you expect me to treat you with kid's gloves this game because of your reactions in the past, then no. That's not me doing my job.

 

If you're scum, then you should know that this type of emotional manipulation doesn't work on me. Either way I'm not going to stop poking if I feel something needs to be poked. So you're going to have to figure out how to deal with that.

 

(And I do love you which you know, so consider this to be a tough love lecture that hopefully can end right here :hug:)

I'm not expecting you to treat me with kid gloves, what I did expect was if I pinged to you that you would say it's straight up pinging instead of simply saying "scum!lassie :sad:" which is us not understanding each other right away because of phrasing.

If figuring out includes vague posts that don't explain anything makes me look defensive then this won't go anywhere for a while.

[Celeste]

 

 

I hate you all.

 

 

 Hi Chris! <3

 

Penny...IDK...just kind of overplayed it for me with her response to Liz calling her out.  I fully believe that that Penny would be annoyed if Liz was jumping down her throat early.  I know they've gotten into it a couple times in the past on PerC and just don't really work together.  So annoyance makes sense to me...but here, it just seems fake.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Emergash so many pages. Lainey slight town, Liz posting but no idea what to think of it, and Zander is a big wtf atm. 

 

Scum!Lassie 

Uh Liz let's not actual tunnel unless you think it's actually scum me.

 

In a vacuum, sure.  I accept that.  But where is the tunnel?  This is EVERYTHING Liz had said about her to that point.

To be fair... did call her Scum!Lassie...

 

I'm catching up and seem to have lost the other quotes I multiquoted...sorry for the spam that's coming!

 

If calling somebody scum constitutes tunneling and is worth freaking out over, I don't know how you people tolerate playing with me.

That's why I didn't want to get into it until Zander and you made it something to focus on. I really dislike getting all pissed and stuff

[Hallia]

 

I think between her and Celeste, that Celeste looked scummier. I would lean slight town for now.

I really meant on somebody besides her, but this is a start.

I'm having a hard time going back through, but in real time I can give opinions as they come.

[Celeste]

Has Zev posted since popping in, voting me, then leaving?

Not that I remember.

[alannalynn]

I hate you all.

Clov I really hope you don't hate me. Or Cory, or Zander. We're pretty great, imo

 

#352 Zander, Sili I wish you two would just communicate simply to start with. Same with Liz/Celeste, ffs.

 

I'm withholding rereading and comments on the Liz/Celeste situation until I have a little bit more time. From what I can tell Celeste is offended because she thinks Liz is jumping on her too early in the game? That's pretty much as far as I am with that conflict.

 

@Alanna I really want to hear from you about the players. Also can you use quotes instead of post numbers because it's quicker on mobile.

I've posted thoughts on a few players. I'm leaning more town on Seph for his quick start to the game. Darthe is leaning town, so is Sili for reasons. Zander is still null to me, but I could assign him town if I need to. Celeste/Liz are up in the air for me at the moment. I think that's pretty much all that's posted at this point, besides Clov but I hesitate to give a read so quickly when most of what he's talked about is the Liz/Celeste scenario.

 

As for quoting instead of post numbers, probably not. It's a lot cleaner and less work to do post numbers but I CAN link more, if not all of them when referencing back to a post to make it easier for mobile users.

 

Okay I have a meeting and a dentist appointment, so I wont be back for a bit. But I'm caught up to half of page 19, for when I get back.

[Lizabeth]

 

 

 

 

 

[v]Seph[/v]

 

YOLO.

I'm not mad about this one, but out of curiousity: what do you think of Calder?

 

 

I honestly have no idea.  I can only assume who those rumors (note the spelling) of him being a strong player came from, and I stand by that assessment.  The problem I have with him is he's a very counter-intuitive player by design.  I've seen him essentially lolcat for being outed scum when town.  I've seen him claim mafia as town multiple times.  The problem is he does these things as mafia, too, and it makes it damn near impossible to have any sort of meta for him, beyond "Don't trust him."

 

His content...not great, not bad.  I have no problem with him essentially shrugging off your vote to begin with, and his point about his meta is pretty valid to me.  You had just said you knew he was a strong player, so I can't fault him for assuming you knew more about him.

 

Okay, seems fair. What do you think about Halia and her disappearing act? I miss her. She said that she was catching up but then she never really said much if anything at all afterwards.

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

And I need to get off to work.

 

 

 

Is this a serious vote?  I don't remember who you were on before, if anyone - IR, maybe? - but if this is a legitimate "I think she's mafia" I think you're reaching a bit hard.  Like you said, she hasn't really said much of anything.  I'm not even sure she has five posts at this point.

 

If this is just pressure, then I really don't have any issue with it.  Until I see some comment, I can't really give an assessment of her.  Hallia is never a particularly loud player.  She has spurts of activity in between (sometimes long) periods of inactivity as either alignment.

 

 

 I'm always (potentially) serious.

 

I AM ON VACATION IN A PLACE WITH NO WIFI AND SPOTTY INTERNET. For some reason I thought we had longer before the start. I have said I can play as often as possible. That you're trying to use that to vote for me is silly.

 

 

I think between her and Celeste, that Celeste looked scummier. I would lean slight town for now.

It's not silly if it works

 

I don't remember you saying you were on vacation. I just remember you saying you were catching up and then not seeing anything else from you.

 

What did you think of Zander in the mix of what was going on between me and Celeste?

[seph]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, shots fired Liz. Lol.

 

Do you think my comments on your productivity are fair?

 

 

I was referring to the "(rumours)" comment. 

 

On the productivity comment - I am never really super productive early on. Seems a real odd push since that is pretty well known. I usually go after one person, poke around, and play. So maybe I don't get it.

 

How is it an odd push if I don't actually know your meta.

 

All I know is what rumours tell me...the rumours didn't inform me of your d1 play. So that seems like an odd defense...

 

 

Well your discussing D1 productivity. So I don't get what you find odd about me talking about my play reputation?

 

Oh, I just find it odd that you would expect me to know your meta that specifically automatically and therefore find it odd that I wouldn't know that.

 

I'm just talking productivity in general, actually.

 

So what direction do you think we should be taking things? If not you, who should I be pushing iyo?

 

 

When you said heard rumours about me I kind of assumed that was influencing a semi-meta read.

 

I am voting Seph bc I didn't like how he entered the game. Felt very formulaic and safe. Small comment and immediately town read two people (on page 2) when Darthe for some reason had two votes (one of his town reads). It read as a scum entry to me. Then he answered everything said to him (which felt nervous to me).

 

I like liz pressuring calder about his productivity, because I haven't see him do much of anything tbh. He layed down a early vote on me with pretty thin reasoning. generic Op and this last part is pretty laughable imo, that I answered questions...... talk about digging for a reason.

 

I was going to answer this later because clov asked a question about my concern with calders vote, but I think it fits better here. 

My problem with his vote to begin with is because it sounded forced. My question about all the !'s was just out of curiosity, it by no means was the only reason I brought it up.

The reason I didn't mind his vote after his response is because I thought he was going to pressure me/push me and attempt to get a actual read on me. That hasn't been the case, all he is done towards my slot is yell to get people to jump onto it. He hasn't provided any progression towards me, and has only given other reads when forced to. He's just sitting on his vote

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Emergash so many pages. Lainey slight town, Liz posting but no idea what to think of it, and Zander is a big wtf atm.

Scum!Lassie

 

Uh Liz let's not actual tunnel unless you think it's actually scum me.

 

 The only way for me to actual tunnel is if I actually think it's scum you, though... (hint: I do! :P) (another hint: you have time to change my mind )

 

 Honestly I don't want us to take it to you know that game level

 

Are you town?

 

Does this look like it? We haven't played together since the hobbit and I have improved a lot. It seems like your judging too quickly.

 

I think I've given you credit for your improvements many times.

 

But it seems like you still haven't figured out how I play

 

Although it seems that you know my alignment...

 

 

This was one of my concerns as well. I am realling liking liz so far this game. She has been very upbeat/excited and has very good thread involvment.

This was one concern I had with penneh, and sili, and clov were talking about it when I was skimming to the end. So if its been resolved just ignore this, and I will go back and re read later.

I need to reread penneh all together but atm i am not feeling to well about her atm.

Okay I'm here for a few seconds, I'm just going to read to the current page then curl back up for bed.

 

#97 Seph, Zander said he never reads me wrong too but then he lynched me once. LOL Just give me a little time to get warmed up

 

I'm actually pretty happy town reading Seph right now. Darthe can have a slight town lean though I'm hesitant reading him so early. Zander is pending

 

#103 Zander frand

 

#101 I'm not getting Sili's vote on Z

#116 Sili I think Zander's entrance has been on par with his usual entrance into a game, this interaction between you two feels weird though #129 I always find the best way to read Zander is to just let him loose on the thread and see what he does. He reacts poorly under pressure as either alignment, especially if it's immediate.

 

laine/seph arguments look v/v to me.

 

Still haven't had a single post of Sili's click for me. Neutral on Zander as well.

 

Slightly liking Calder but hesitant to even post that I'm so uncommitted to it.

Don't hate most of this.

 

#156 Welcome Liz! I'll generally spoiler or snip posts. Spoiler tag is normal [.spoiler] [./spoiler] without the (.) and snip by switching to the code by flipping the switch on the top left side of the text box, OR if you're trying to get rid of a quote of someones that's imbedded, you have to click IN the blank quote and backspace and it'll take it out.

 

#172 Liz, why are you town reading Zander? And you say that's a serious vote on Calder, raisons? NVM I see reasons. I've been ignoring Calder until I feel like dealing with him, that generally works for me. The vote is okay though, Calder's been meh thus far from what I've skimmed

 

Feeling okay about Liz so far

 

---> Y'all have GOT to trim your quotes. It's making the thread take forever to read

 

#213 Calder's reasoning on Seph isn't bad, it's where I was headed to start with but once I thought about it after I talked with Darthe, it just seems a real attention-gathering splash to make as scum. I haven't played with Seph in a while, but I'm going to lean town for now due to his interest in getting things started.

 

Skimming a little to get through these pages... Liz is sus of Celeste (raisons?) and Darthe is better than thou and denouncing emotions. I find that emotion helps me read some people, tbh.

 

Town read on Sili.

This makes me feel much better about alanna. I know it is just one post, but she has a hard time keeping this going as mafia. her town light is just to bright :)

 

Okay, I don't actually hate you all.  That catch up was surprisingly not painful.  I'll be honest - I saw 17 pages and assumed it was going to be people spamming gifs (not naming any names on that one) or poeple just going off about things that probably don't matter? 

 

Off the top of my head, I think Darthe is probably town.  I think it was Sili that said the two of them don't really see eye-to-eye on things, which is pretty historically true, so it wouldn't surprise me at all that Darthe would take offense to some of the things that sili has done this game.  The taunting (probably not the word I really want) about contradictions vaguely reminds me of how Town!Darthe approached sili in Alanna's Arthurian game.  His tone is kinda different from last game, but maybe he decided that toxic crap wasn't the best way to go about it again

 

Sili I would guess town, just based on the effort he's putting forth to fight the read.  I wasn't paying attention to timestamps so I don't know how valid his timeline argument really is, but he seems frustrated with how he's being read.

 

 

I don't have any strong mafia reads at this point, but gun to my head, I would probably go Penny or Seph.  A couple of the things Seph brought up towards Alanna just seemed fake to me.  

 

 

 

 

I have def seen Laine have a similar day phase entrance before (quick vote and strange unvote). I have zero idea what alignment she was.

I have. I also believe I've recently (?) mentioned that I barely ever vote d1 until I'm certain. Wanted to see who was paying attention.

 

I don't understand this. IF you wanted to see reactions why wouldn't you just vote? The very next post you yourself told us that you don't vote early, and unvoted. ruining and reactions you say you wanted to get.

 

 

All aboard the Seph train.

So you want to start a train off of my generic OP. glgl but I don't plan on ever being lynched this game. especially by you

 

 

Dont see it irt seph

I guess there's two sides to this. One is that Seph appears out of place while everyone else is joking and getting their groove with the game. He comes straight in trying to make reads from jokes, which I don't fault him for, necessarily. But at the same time, it makes it look like he's got something to prove.

 

this feels like your singling me out alanna. the only people itt that were joking was thane and zander. myself, darthe, sili, caldur, and now a few others are all trying to get this game started.

 

Personally I find I have a lot more to prove as scum than town, Darthe. Something to do with having a guilty conscious. You're right though, it's probably more positive than neg right now anyways.

 

flip flopping already? at least stick with your read,there wasn't many posts between them.

 

 

Seph, how is she singling you out?  What had happened to that point that she should have an issue with somebody besides you?

 

The bottom is just bad.  You're right there weren't many posts between them.  There weren't many posts in the thread in general.  I have a hard time believing that YOU believe she should have a lot of conviction at that point.

She was stating something negative directed at just me when multiple people itt had done the exact same thing. I don't understand why this is a question since I answered it in the red bold. There were multiple people trying to get the game started early on, and I was curious why she picked me and chose to view it negatively.

 

as for the flip flopping, I don't view my question as bad and I find it hurtful you think so :( all my questions are legit clov! I simply wanted to see how alanna reacted to it. It was around page 5, any read there is most likely going to be on something flimsy. She reacted how I wanted her to, if she would have tried to explain herself it would be a entirely different situation.

[Lizabeth]

Can someone teach me how to iso on this site, please?

 

@Celeste, I know you've stated some reasons, but can you summarize why you suspect Darthe right now? And is there anyone else that you have suspicions on at the moment?

[Lizabeth]

 

 

i got a feeling ill end up sheeping clov today.

 

What if he's scum?

 

Oh, what I read Clov was "unless you think it's actually scum me."

 

 

 

 

If by contradiction, you mean the "unless you're mafia" caveat....it really doesn't make sense to me from any POV.  If I'm town, I don't think I would ever tell somebody to stop tunneling me unless they were mafia.  If I'm mafia, I already would know they're not and can accept their "tunnel" (or lack thereof, in this case) actually HAS merit so it wouldn't be a natural response for me at all.

 

I guess if someone knew the other person wasn't going to stop and wanted a reason to OMGUS...?

What celeste said was "unless you think it's actually scum me." Which I take to mean, do not tunnel me unless you have a reason to.

 

 

Yeah, but I still have trouble fitting that with either mindset.  If she's going to be that pissed about Liz tunneling her, does it really matter whether Liz believes Celeste is mafia?  And why would Celeste ever believe that Liz is going to deliberately tunnel her if she DIDN'T think she was mafia?

 

Actually, having read through this conversation, I think I know what she's getting at. In which case, lecture mode is coming on...

 

Once upon a time there was a game called True Love II on PerC. After determining that Lassie (aka penny aka celeste aka alette) was town, I decided to use her as bait for scum. However, that backfired because she became extremely paranoid and wouldn't take my hints (or what eventually had to turn into blatant reassurances) that I was not actually trying to get her lynched and she took the first chance she got to get me mislynched during that game.

 

There's other  history too, but we don't have to get into all of that...

 

The point is, that I can see where her statement about me "actually tunnelling her" only if I think she's scum could be her being sensitive and paranoid that I might try to use her that way again. In which case: Lassie - you're going to have to get over it. That's all I'm going to say on that. When you're playing mafia, stuff happens. You are going to get suspected for stuff and get called scum. My job is to try to figure out your alignment. Your job is to figure out mine. So you feeling hurt because I suspect you right out of the gates is not helpful if you're town.

 

If you want to know what I really thought when I made that statement: you pinged me wrong. Your catchup comments rang false to me, which is why I called you out. Was it enough for me to switch my vote for you? No. It was enough for me to want to see how you'd respond.

 

I will admit that this lecture is partially unfair because you didn't stay stuck on the issue, it was other people (like Zander...gonna get to that after I catch up some more) who were pushing you to fight me on it, so that's progress from the last time. But it annoys me, to be honest, that you're making this an issue at all. If you expect me to treat you with kid's gloves this game because of your reactions in the past, then no. That's not me doing my job.

 

If you're scum, then you should know that this type of emotional manipulation doesn't work on me. Either way I'm not going to stop poking if I feel something needs to be poked. So you're going to have to figure out how to deal with that.

 

(And I do love you which you know, so consider this to be a tough love lecture that hopefully can end right here :hug:)

 

I'm not expecting you to treat me with kid gloves, what I did expect was if I pinged to you that you would say it's straight up pinging instead of simply saying "scum!lassie :sad:" which is us not understanding each other right away because of phrasing.

 

If you haven't taken the time to understand my play style and approach by now, then I really don't know what to tell you. '

 

But you trying to keep yourself from getting too mired in this muck are points in your favour.

 

What do you think of Zander?

[Lizabeth]

@Thane, where are you? You promised to be my town buddy when we finally got to play together!

 

@Zevrynne...I don't like unturned stones.

 

[v]Zevrynne[/v]

 

Oh, and I should mention since this has been a recent topic of discussion on my home site: I have no problem with lynching lurkers on D1...

[seph]

I understand why people want to Lynch the inactives.

but if they flipped town we basically get a play day one all over again no new information

[Lizabeth]

I understand why people want to Lynch the inactives.

but if they flipped town we basically get a play day one all over again no new information

We don't have to lynch them if they give us reason not to.

[alannalynn]

The game has only been open less than 24 hours, nobody is considered inactive yet y'all. Seph is right though

 

Liz while in thread, click the magnifying glass at the top right beside the search bar, input their name in the search screen that comes ip, click posts, and ascending order snd that will Iso them

[Lizabeth]

The game has only been open less than 24 hours, nobody is considered inactive yet y'all. Seph is right though

 

Liz while in thread, click the magnifying glass at the top right beside the search bar, input their name in the search screen that comes ip, click posts, and ascending order snd that will Iso them

I guess I'm just used to a quicker startup...and it makes me nervous when people post once then don't. I've seem a few games where scum has won by lurking and letting town pick off each other to the end. By the time town noticed it was too late to do anything about it.

 

And we don't know when the day is going to end, so if we don't push now, then when?

 

But thanks for the tips on isoing. I'll try that when I get back home from work. Where I have to go back to. Now. :(

[seph]

 

 

Darthe - What did you see about Seph that you liked about him so far?  I'm looking through his ISO again and am having a hard time seeing why anyone would take an issue with the vote.  I could see people maybe not agreeing with it, but all I'm seeing from him is a few posts of things that read more like meaningless dirt kicking than genuine attempts to resolve people.  I'm not going to dig up the same one's to Alanna I already highlighted.

 

 

seph, on 18 Apr 2016 - 2:10 PM, said:

 

@zander well it makes sense when you explain the situation. pardon me for not being on the inside.....
The only person i feel uneasy about in the thread so far is alanna, I usually have trouble reading her until later so we shall see.

@calder have we played with each other before? I just recently came back.

 

 

I'm pretty pumped, this is my first full game since I came back :)
Darthe and thane seem town so far.

SCUM!!!!!!!!!!

[v]Seph[/v]

Feelings.

 

This post just feels off, I don't really care about the vote but it's the words bother me. I need you to talk to me in complete sentences because I read people more so on tone. 
Are all the exclamation points really necessary? It feels like more of a nervous Op 

 

 

 

 

 

@ calder. Thanks, your response makes me feel better at least, and this is just how I play =p. I need to engage people, so making early reads and getting reactions is something I need to do.

@ sili. my last game here, though it was 6 months ago I had 4 towns right, and the 1 mafia i voted for by page 6 or so based entirely off of tone. So why I still won't base everything entirely on this, I am fine with trusting my gut on tone.

sure

 

anyway, i do not trust laine.

 

I agree 100% on lane. her intro didn't seem normal, and the darthe vote was just plain weird.
speaking of weird... mind melding on something with sili.

 

 

 

 

@zander well it makes sense when you explain the situation. pardon me for not being on the inside.....
The only person i feel uneasy about in the thread so far is alanna, I usually have trouble reading her until later so we shall see.

@calder have we played with each other before? I just recently came back.

 

 

I'm pretty pumped, this is my first full game since I came back :)
Darthe and thane seem town so far.

SCUM!!!!!!!!!!

[v]Seph[/v]

Feelings.

 

This post just feels off, I don't really care about the vote but it's the words bother me. I need you to talk to me in complete sentences because I read people more so on tone. 
Are all the exclamation points really necessary? It feels like more of a nervous Op 

 

What gives you that feel seph?

 

Have you played with him before?

 

I use a lot of !!!!!! and ???? as well, why does that bother you about him?

 

that has become your own playstyle. it's difficult to garner anything from it.
It can be a nervous habit for some, which is why I questioned him about it.

 

 

 

 

 

I've played a few games of mafia, and I'm pretty sure there's no argument to be made for punctuation as a scumtell or anything else.  If his issue with Calder's vote had actually been the vote/post, itself, I might actually buy that - I could definitely see how people that haven't played with him before could read his playstyle as scummy as a whole.  But the fact it was choppy and had exclamation points?  

 

The intro post from Laine he's referring to was "weee, game on."  Sure, tone reading isn't an exact science, but c'mon.

I did have a issue with his post? the ? about the ! was just a question. I'm concerned on why your ignoring half of my post.
Did I say tone was the reason I disliked alanna's post? I don't even remember commenting on her OP. I remember talking about her darthe vote. clov are you making things up bro?

 

Oh damn. Clov has been tagged in and we are going for the Seph pin.

 

This is how calder contributes I see lol

[Zander?]

You're saying you don't make snap reads?

 

And the part I wanted to follow up on was this: why were you calling out Penny for not addressing my scum read on her but not calling out Calder for not addressing my unexplained vote on him, even after I pointed out to you that he wasn't asking me any questions about it?

 

No I dont.  I call out posts I like or dont like but no I dont make reads off of 3 posts.

 

I did question your vote on Calder. http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/97862-mafia-kart-wii-basic/?p=3641420

[Zander?]

 

 

I don't see how you can legitimately make that argument.  I quoted everything she said to/about you prior to your comment.  She had barely said anything about you, whatsoever, and she had substantially more content directed towards other players.

She accused me of being scum for my first 3 posts that I made while at dinner and after work!! How does that make me scum? This is why I don't even want to get into it because it becomes this huge argument where people take sides between us. It happened in the tower and true love and we were both wrong. If this is faking then i'm just going to stop this here.

 

Without getting into another circular argument, because I hope you'll take to heart the comments I made in my preceding post: I was not wrong about your alignment in either of those games. You were wrong about mine. You're still under the mistaken belief that because I was pushing you in True Love and because I chose to sacrifice you in the Tower (where I had no choice but to vote for one of my town reads) that I did those things because I thought you were scum. I've told you multiple times that I knew you were town in both those cases and I made choices based on what I thought was the best strategy for the game at that time.

 

But I'm not hashing this out again with you in a game thread. As Chris pointed out, you're not the only person I've been poking in this game, and there are people I've poked far more. So if you're town try to get out of the mindspace that everything I do is about you. If you're scum, I'll just remind you that emotional manipulation ain't going to work on me. Expect me to push you. Figure out how to deal with it.

 

 

So Penny lied?

 

And you dont take issue with this???

 

 

 

 

I see where youre coming from with Liz and I really havent liked any of Penny's responses at all.

 

My one problem with Liz was made worse by Penny stating that they tend to read each other wrong.

 

But much more concerning is Penny's subsequent reaction Liz's read then the read itself.

 

[v] Penny [/v]

 

If she tends to read me wrong and thinks (emphasis on thinks) that I tend to read her wrong, then wouldn't it make sense if she were town to try not to overreact to me and try to leave room for a clearer read?

 

 

She didnt over react she just brushed it aside.  It didnt become a thing for her really till it was brought up by others like yours truly.