Ghostbusters Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins!

[Niniel]

 

 

Do I think Zander as either alignment might go "awh s--- he knows who I am" and reveal in QT?

 

Yes?

 

 

Because he said hi to me as his first post after I started posting?

 

Are effing kidding me?

 

Let me phrase it this way, do you think Scum!Zander posts in the QT secretly, then at the SAME time starts posting in the thread if im trying to really NOT let him know who I am?

 

Or is it more likely to come from Town!Zander being paranoid and seeing what what was what and feeling things out, I stopped because I decided I was gonna do the back and forth because nothing could be proven the QT and it wasnt something I was gonna bother with

 

Which seems more likely to you?

 

 

So you tried to let him know who you were even though you posted under another name? That sounds really weird. 

 

 

I haven´t gotten any answer to this yet either.

[Lenlo]

Nin, can you or someone else unvote Zander? As wolfy as he is we have time and I want to see some people post/interact/get into the game. No need to waste this ludicrous amount of time given to us. We have like 3 more days or something.

[Niniel]

Is there any need for it if I´m only going to vote him later anyway? I think I have a good reason for thinking he is mafia. I wouldn´t mind a quicker day either. 

 

But okay. I will be back later today and see if I think it´s time to re-vote. 

 

[unvote]

[Zander?]

Going to try and snip this down.

 

 

irt Turin:

Cast shade at you? Dude Ive cased you on atual game play youve cased me on QT.

What's your case on him outside of denying what he claims he said in QT?

requoted:

His Yolo D1 reads sticking to them from that point. His case against me is all from QT and little to nothing gameplay related yet he ALREADY had me on his Yolo list.

 

Hes stretching and laying out weak cases against other players,

 

He lied about the you read first in the QT

Red, so did he post his yolo list before your QT interaction? If not, I don't get the significance of this. He's saying you were scummy in QT so he had you in his yolo scum team, you're saying ???. That it doesn't count because he dropped the read before he actually hard claimed and revealed his reasons? Or something else? I don't follow.

 

Blue, ok. Did you point these out? You might have. I didn't re-read you past the hard claim yet. I will when I'm caught up.

 

Green, fair enough, but I'm asking you about the case you say you made outside of QT-related content.

Im saying he just put me as scummy without considering the possibility I was Town and rolled with it.

 

Ive mentioned it yes.

 

I answered green in a response to you already just a short while ago.

 

 

Regarding Zander saying he cased Turin for "stretching and laying out weak cases against other players," the only thing I found was this post:

 

 

[v] Dice [/v]

 

I don't like he kept his "joke" vote on Rey even after he seems to have a lean on John. Well he called him a hypocrite anyway.

Is the keeping of the joke vote the only reason youre voting him Turin?

 

What is the connection youre seeing that you are tying him and I together?

 

I'd read it as a question, not a suss, but Zander could say he was calling Turin out here.

 

Is that it? Am I missing something here Z?

 

 

I noticed he did it to Dice as well iirc.  Maybe cased wasnt the best word choice, sussed and called it out more appropriate.

[Zander?]

 

 

I´d like if someone could make it clear to me what lie in the qt (about Dice?) you are talking about. I´ve read back but I still don´t get it. 

 

In a nutshell as I understand it:

 

Zander accused Turin in thread of sheeping his suss on Dice.

 

Turin said dude I said in QT that I was suss of Dice before you went at him.

 

Zander said nope, didn't happen.

 

 

Thank you. Now that I knew what to look for I went back.

 

# 437 Turin says that Dice is mafia before Zander

# 500 Turin asks Zander if it isn´t true that he sussed Dice first

# 502 Zander denies

# 577 Shad asks Zander about it

# 594 Zander answers Shad - says no

# 599 Shad asks: "So one of you is lying?"

# 600 Zander says yes.

# 613 Turin agrees - one of them is lying

 

 

We can not see the qt so we can´t know who is right. But the point is that both accuses the other one of lying. Turin has voted Zander but Zander doesn´t vote Turin even though he says that he knows Turin is lying. That doesn´t look like a townie would do.

 

 

[v] Zander [/v]

 

 

I voted Turin very early on and kept it there till just recently when I knew his lynch wasnt going through and I went after RTE but my vote was there the majority of the time Nini..

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Do I think Zander as either alignment might go "awh s--- he knows who I am" and reveal in QT?

 

Yes?

 

 

Because he said hi to me as his first post after I started posting?

 

Are effing kidding me?

 

Let me phrase it this way, do you think Scum!Zander posts in the QT secretly, then at the SAME time starts posting in the thread if im trying to really NOT let him know who I am?

 

Or is it more likely to come from Town!Zander being paranoid and seeing what what was what and feeling things out, I stopped because I decided I was gonna do the back and forth because nothing could be proven the QT and it wasnt something I was gonna bother with

 

Which seems more likely to you?

 

 

So you tried to let him know who you were even though you posted under another name? That sounds really weird. 

 

 

I haven´t gotten any answer to this yet either.

 

 

What I dont understand.

 

No I posted under a different name for 2 posts and then switched it back.

[Eldrick4221]

Nin, can you or someone else unvote Zander? As wolfy as he is we have time and I want to see some people post/interact/get into the game. No need to waste this ludicrous amount of time given to us. We have like 3 more days or something.

Part of why I moved to Rey.

[Niniel]

Zander, I know you have been voting Turin. But if you were town that have found someone lying that way I think you should have sticked to your case and not give it up. Now it looked like Shad found something and you agreed with it but let it go. 

[Niniel]

 

 

 

 

Do I think Zander as either alignment might go "awh s--- he knows who I am" and reveal in QT?

 

Yes?

 

 

Because he said hi to me as his first post after I started posting?

 

Are effing kidding me?

 

Let me phrase it this way, do you think Scum!Zander posts in the QT secretly, then at the SAME time starts posting in the thread if im trying to really NOT let him know who I am?

 

Or is it more likely to come from Town!Zander being paranoid and seeing what what was what and feeling things out, I stopped because I decided I was gonna do the back and forth because nothing could be proven the QT and it wasnt something I was gonna bother with

 

Which seems more likely to you?

 

 

So you tried to let him know who you were even though you posted under another name? That sounds really weird. 

 

 

I haven´t gotten any answer to this yet either.

 

 

What I dont understand.

 

No I posted under a different name for 2 posts and then switched it back.

 

 

How can I explain it? It seems like you are saying that you posted under a fake name in the qt but then posted in the game thread thinking Turin would found you out. 

[Niniel]

 

Nin, can you or someone else unvote Zander? As wolfy as he is we have time and I want to see some people post/interact/get into the game. No need to waste this ludicrous amount of time given to us. We have like 3 more days or something.

Part of why I moved to Rey.

 

 

Are you still thinking Zander is mafia?

[Zander?]

Zander, I know you have been voting Turin. But if you were town that have found someone lying that way I think you should have sticked to your case and not give it up. Now it looked like Shad found something and you agreed with it but let it go. 

 

 

Everyone said Turin was looking Townier and wanted to vote me. No one is gonna lynch Turin over me atp.

 

Not giving it up is gonna do nothing for me atp.  Like if I kept it up would you have not just voted me?  (i know you unvoted right after)

 

I mean Nina theres not even another train on me, that in its self is telling.

 

I moved to my next scum suspect.

 

What are your thoughts on RTE?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

Do I think Zander as either alignment might go "awh s--- he knows who I am" and reveal in QT?

 

Yes?

 

 

Because he said hi to me as his first post after I started posting?

 

Are effing kidding me?

 

Let me phrase it this way, do you think Scum!Zander posts in the QT secretly, then at the SAME time starts posting in the thread if im trying to really NOT let him know who I am?

 

Or is it more likely to come from Town!Zander being paranoid and seeing what what was what and feeling things out, I stopped because I decided I was gonna do the back and forth because nothing could be proven the QT and it wasnt something I was gonna bother with

 

Which seems more likely to you?

 

 

So you tried to let him know who you were even though you posted under another name? That sounds really weird. 

 

 

I haven´t gotten any answer to this yet either.

 

 

What I dont understand.

 

No I posted under a different name for 2 posts and then switched it back.

 

 

How can I explain it? It seems like you are saying that you posted under a fake name in the qt but then posted in the game thread thinking Turin would found you out. 

 

 

I'm still not sure what youre getting at.

 

I posted in the QT as not myself for 2 posts,  Then I switched back.

 

I did this after reading the role which Ive never played as before or seen.

 

Then I decided that if I couldnt trust him and there was no way of proving things, I was just gonna keep it in the thread,

 

Does this answer your question?

[Eldrick4221]

I think that he is scummier than turin. I think that the points Turin made against him are good ones. I think that he has been overly defensive since the neighbors thing has come to light.

 

I like that he is trying to look outside of turin, though. If he's town he wouldn't know Turin's alignment and he isn't going Zander tunnel on turin, so that's a thing.

 

I like that he pointed out basically the same things I did about rte's post. Townie points for him for noticing the same things about it and not just saying "look at different person now"

 

I'm really not sure. IF there's scum between Turin and zander, I think it's zander. If we can figure them out without killing them, then we might have masons, but I don't see that happening.

 

The problem with this mess is it stems from the inherent mistrust of neighbors, and I worry about them both being town, but wanting to lynch each other because of the issues that develop from that mistrust.

 

I think that we should vote elsewhere today.

[Niniel]

Maybe I´m just not getting it right. Language problems perhaps because I can´t quite describe why I found that odd. I´ll let it go. 

 

Yes, I think you had looked better if you had kept your vote on Turin.

 

 

I have not thought about RTE much. He hasn´t posted much. I´ll take a look. 

[Niniel]

I got a call and I will be picked up now so let me check that later. I will not be home today but I think I will be able to get on a few times. 

[Eldrick4221]

Maybe I´m just not getting it right. Language problems perhaps because I can´t quite describe why I found that odd. I´ll let it go.

 

Yes, I think you had looked better if you had kept your vote on Turin.

 

 

I have not thought about RTE much. He hasn´t posted much. I´ll take a look.

He has posted literally 4 times. Only 1 of which was game related.

 

I'm against voting him today on the simple fact that if we are wrong it's a no information mislynch

[Eldrick4221]

You are so confusing, zander. You aren't obviously town like you usually are for me, and it's bugging me.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Morning everyone :) give me a few minutes and I'll have a vote count done for you.

[Eldrick4221]

A "lethal dose" is also a "lifetime supply".

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

Official Vote Count - Day 1

 

Zander (4/7): Turin, Rey, RTE, Hallia

Alanna (1/7): Tsuki

Rey (2/7): Dice, Eldrick

RTE (1/7): Zander

 

 

Not voting

 

(5)- BFG, Niniel, Shad, Alanna, Len

 

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to achieve a majority Lynch.

 

 

Day 1 deadline is set for Wednesday 14 April @ 9 PM BST

 

Day 1 Deadline Countdown

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Ok caught up.

 

Two things strike me the most.

 

First Dice changing from we need to resolve Turin and Zander today to moving off both of them entirely. I believe Turin is town. If Zander was to flip town I would take a hard look at Dice next (and that answers your question about that that you've asked everyone).

 

Second, nothing Zander has done has given me reason to think he's town. His insistence to discredit QT content is just plain and simply not a town stance. He's been defensive more than reasonable. Finally I just don't understand him moving off Turin, regardless if it's to me or not. I don't buy that he's doing it because he doesn't see a Turin lynch happening when most of the rest of the game is trying to resolve their roles and alignment. How he doesn't see Turin as a viable lynch is beyond me, and especially if he is so adamant that he is scum, with extra information to go on based on a QT as well. That he attempts to start a new train entirely when his reasoning is that the Turin lynch won't happen and he ll do anything to stay alive doesn't make sense either. Then you'd think he'd have placed his vote on the second largest train, assuming he is a townie who would rather risk anyone else dying but himself. So to me he isn't doing what would make the most sense to save himself, when IIRC that was his reasoning for moving off Turin.

 

Lenlo has been posting well and I agree with most of what he's said. He's solid town for me right now. Dice is still null but definite scum lean for his stepping out of the Turin Zander voting. Hallia's posts don't look out of place and I had John as my strongest town read. Townie vibes for eldrick and shad. One thing I'm not following is the case on Rey. I'd like to see some new stuff from him but liked his past posts. I guess I had a really good feel about the tone of his posts but perhaps that in itself isn't enough at this point. That being said I'm not one to comment on contributing at this point.

[Reyoru]

Hey guys. Apologies I only had time for a quick post yesterday, my parents made a surprise (!) visit down and the day (while absolutely lovely) kinda disappeared for me here. Re-reading and will post below.
 

 

ive been thinking him town  turin and ive obviously thought u scum  but that hardclaim changes things

 

 

lets say you are mafia   tactically this play makes a little sense but not much. say u get zander lynched  ok thats one townie down but if he flips town ure pretty much a dead man. not a great scum strategy really.

 

lets say ure town    that makes this something you believe for reasons you have given and probably some u havent.  if ure right then if we lynch znader we lynch scum. awesome. but ure probably dead again tonight or tomorrow night if mafia assume ure protected.

 

if ure BOTH town mafia are sitting in their QT laffing.

 

I simply want to work it out.

 

Dice has asked why I think his above post is illogical. He's appearing scummy to me partly because of the chop-logic he's been displaying. Zander's actions on the QT (as described by Turin) have been shady as hell, and the way they've been going at it, and so visibly, I highly highly doubt that they're both town. 

 

Bold above: what on earth does this mean? Yes, that's the way the game is played. Turin's role as a Neighbour has ceased to become effective now that the relationship between Zander and he has broken down. Town will go one for one, vanilla for scum. What was the point of this statement at all? Chop-logic.
 

Rey what was wrong with my vote on Tsuki? By the point I voted him in my catch up he had 2 votes and I added a third (though apparently I was fourth lol). He was legitimately scummy and I put my vote where I thought I'd find scum. I also hate that he claimed, regardless of RL. I don't like having PRs outted d1.

 

I think its just the timing and positioning of your vote on the train Alanna. I don't think you're scum at this point, but I am keeping an eye on you. I've liked the rest of your input thus far.

 

Looked over Rey's ISO. No idea why I had him as town.

 

 

 

 

 

Eldrick, that is poor reasoning to make someone a wolf. Basically that he is a good wolf. I disagree with the idea of you being willing to trust someone else to tell you he is town before you are even willing to consider it. 

 

It is very early still but I will look at Shad. 

 

 

D1  yolo wolf team of Dice, Zander and Tsuki.  

 
I like that Turin is making a concerted effort this early to point out potential scum teams. I also note that statistically speaking, at least one of either his himself or his yolo team is scum. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not a big fan of making observations claiming statistics without any other basing on it.

 

You can say the same thing about any group of players.

Equally, its as good a place to start as any. Its better actually, as it involved the people who had done the most talking at the time. There's always going to be at least one scum getting in early on the conversation, and there is always going to be another one who remains on the down-low. 

 

Solid post Rey, with one exception... I think saying "always" is a wrongful assumption. Typical, yes... but not always.

I stand corrected John. I can't guarantee its always the case, but then, this is a game that tends to follow certain rules. Typically is better than nothing. One of those four early big talkers (Turin/Zander/Dice/Tsukibana) is going to turn out scum. 
 

 

 

 

Here is where he talks about the statistics of someone being scum in a group of players. As I pointed out, the same can be said about any group of players. Noteworthy here is his group of "big talkers". He includes dice in this list, something I've never considered dice being, and then later on asks people about their read on him. 

 

Dice is actually in both groups of his statistics, but he doesn't mention this.

 

 

 

 

Turin's list included Dice. I "kept" Dice on the list because of the "Dice claims ghost" malarkey at the beginning of this game. I didn't think too hard about it, my focus was on Zander/Turin.

 

And I myself have already conceded above, as have others, that the same statistical reasoning could be used for any group of players. And I've explained my reasoning for it above. This isn't a point at all. 

And I don't consider Dice to have been the quiet group actually. At that point, Lenlo, BFG, RTE and Shad had posted less than he had.

But if you're the one saying you he was actually in both groups (early and quiet), why would my opinion on Dice remain suspicious? You've just strengthened my reason for him being suspicious. 

That, and Dice now changing his position on voting Zander or Turin to me suddenly isn't helping him appear consistent and logical (and I'm obviously not thrilled at being voted against).

 

 

 

Niniel, what's your opinion on Dice?

 

 

I'm buying Turin's claim at this point, and I'm buying his suspicions of Zander as being legitimate. I liked the way Turin took off at the start and got this game moving, and I've not liked Zander's meta-whatever play-style at all quite frankly. His rebuttals to Turin's claims look weak in my opinion. 

I'm also going to buy Tsukibana's claim at cop. Maybe not the best strategy to reveal at this point, but if real life is calling, I understand. I'm nicely interested in the people who jumped on my train against Tsukibana... Alanna in particular. I've got my eye on you. 

Dice is a mess. His post number #454 is illogical, and #460 is a little bit far-fetched.

My personal opinion is that if Zander flips scum, we take a look at Dice next.

Unvote

Vote: Zander

 

 

 

He never states a read on Dice himself, but says that he will look at Dice if Zander flips scum.

Dice hasn't been coming across to me as playing like a townie, for the reasons I've stated above, and didn't come across well to me since the "Dice claims ghost, oh I don't want to answer that" episode. I asked both John McClane and Niniel to weigh in on Dice to get a wider range of views on him, as I would any other player I had suspicions of. I also wanted to get more of a feel on both McClane and Niniel parituclarly, who hadn't weighed in much at that point in time.

[Reyoru]

Oops, formatting went awry at the end of my last post. Hope its still clear.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Broken Thread?

 

Ugh.

[Ithillian Turambar]

It won't fix till we get on the next page.