Ghostbusters Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins!

[Turin Turambar]

really eldrick? why?

 

 

and the bomb is what i dont believe

You think that she is mafia just because of her claim?

[Turin Turambar]

Dice, When did you determine that Rey was town? Or did you have him as mafia when he died?

[Turin Turambar]

And good night now.

[dicetosser1]

 

really eldrick? why?

 

 

and the bomb is what i dont believe

You think that she is mafia just because of her claim?

 

 

and that i havent seen what i consider typical town  ninel i guess.

 

Dice, When did you determine that Rey was town? Or did you have him as mafia when he died?

 

when i saw his flip. I was gonna be voting him if he hadnt died.  have already answered this

[Eldrick4221]

Niniel's claim screams "don't lynch me"

How does this scream "don't lynch me" when at the time she wasn't even being looked at?

 

I assumed from the claim that it was a role that takes out whoever tries to nk her (mafiascum confirms this) and all that claiming did was make it so she won't be nk'd now.

 

Which wasn't a big deal as there are bigger fish to fry.

 

Why did you immediately jump to the idea that this meant she was the variant where she takes out whoever lynches her too?

[Eldrick4221]

It bugs me that she claimed it, cuz that's the kind of info town should keep secret.

 

But I don't get the immediate suspicion for claiming it.

[Eldrick4221]

I don't think I'm gonna bother getting around to the isos. Laine and dice are flailing today. They feel like caught scum and are throwing out accusations to see what sticks.

 

Their synergy is also really weird, though. I don't know what to make of it.

[Eldrick4221]

[unvote]

[V]dice [/v]

 

For the simple fact that if I'm wrong, he flips stump.

[Eldrick4221]

And if you do indeed flip stump like you claim, and effectively become an unsilencable innocent child, I want to to detail everything you can about why Turin, the obviously not Ghostbuster, is scum.

 

And I will listen, knowing that what you are saying is a towny pov.

[dicetosser1]

Bombs can kill thye person who nks them yes   they can also kill the person who hammers them    and on one occasion ive seen they picked the person on their train or something.

 

they have been more often used as fake claims by scum to not be lynched then they have to actually be in the game

 

 

 

and thats a HORRIBLE vote eldrick. Pure laziness

[dicetosser1]

you should ALREADY be listening. Youve been given thoughts by people and you should be considering them even if you dont agree with them

[alannalynn]

I'm awake, I'm fed, clothes in the wash, I have ice cream. Going to try and answer Turin's questions on my ISO in detail since I know i'm not going to be here barely at all tomorrow.

[alannalynn]

Y'all my nap was real good, btw

[alannalynn]

..... I got distracted for two hours. But on a side note, my room is kinda clean.

[alannalynn]

Eldrick4221 611 alannalynn 398 Turin Turambar 354 Shad_ 252 Zander 250 Ithillian Turambar 180 dicetosser1 152 Tsukibana 142 BFG 138 Niniel 113 Reyoru 102 Hallia 87 Lenlo 82 Sooh 72 John McClane 35 ReleaseTheEvil 30 Nikon 26 cory caboose 10 Verbal32 1

 

I just need a moment to comment on how I have over FOUR HUNDRED POSTS right now. What the frick?

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

Official Vote Count

 

Alanna (1): Turin

Nikon (1): Sooh

Turin (1): Alanna

Dice (2): Tsuki, Eldrick

Niniel (1): Dice

 

 

Not Voting (2): Niniel, Nikon

 

 

With 8 alive it takes 5 to Lynch

 

 

Day 4 Deadline is 9pm BST Wednesday 27 April - you can achieve a majority Lynch at any point before then.

 

End of Day 4

[Ithillian Turambar]

Morning. Gotta rush :)

[alannalynn]

Give me something more than you are just SURE Dice is town. Cause that isn't helpful. 

 

I'm not trying to discount our cop. I'm looking at the real possibility that his views are not valid. These are two very different things.  I am not trying t to keep everyone from being cleared. I have been very clear about who I think are mafia and why I think it. The only person that I am really challenging as being clear is Eldrick because I have some doubt about if his being peeked is valid. That is one person. One person that has quite a bit of mafia equity as well. 

 

You lynched a SYMP, just like Shad. You didn't know he was on your team. I kinda think that you might have thought that Z was the symp as it is thematically in line. Or maybe that I was. In either case it meant RTE was town to you and therefore an easy D2 lynch. I wonder what the QT will look like around there. I pushed for and saw that a MAFIA team member that was not really being sussed otherwise got lynched.  Do you not see the difference??

 

As for the "lynch me or lynch mafia" question: if you Are mafia, then it's win-win, right?   The if here makes it clear that you KNOW I'm not mafia. As do your interactions with me. You can say I'm mafia but you are treating me as town.  

 

You're not even attempting to see where we could be town. Maybe I'm making a mistake by tying myself to Dice, and trust me, that's not a mistake I would even ATTEMPT to make as mafia when I was being town read earlier in the game lol, but I'm just SURE that he's town. If we lynch Dice and he flips town, I'm going to expect EVERYONE to look at Turin pretty dang hard. This might be the best argument that dice MIGHT be town (which probably means Eldrick is not) I have given both of you every opportunity to show your town. You failed. Dice because he just is lurking unless he is getting direct heat and isn't working to find mafia despite all his talk about going after them and how important it was that he lived. He has also failed to show any form of town mindset.  You for one very bug reason. Shad. On D2 you were all saying that you were willing to go Rey or Shad. You chose Rey (town that was also the N2 kill) . I asked more than once to get you to go Shad. You kept saying that you were just "unsure" about Shad. I gave my thoughts. I asked again but your responses were IMO that he was basically "null". It felt like you just didn't want to take a real position on him. 

 

This is why my vote is on you. I think that one of Eldrick and Dice is likely mafia but I think that YOU are definitely mafia. 

 

 

I actually do not care if I am the lynch today because it will prove I am town and then it will be a choice of which two of my three suspects are the mafia. Townies don't have to live to win. Especially if they are able to keep casing after they are dead.  Yes that is a dig at Dice BTW. 

I've actually stated many reasons why I think Dice is town and I'll be glad to bring them back up from my ISO for you to see. I lied, I started going through my ISO for all mentions of Dice and it was too much. >_> But I did like his interactions with Zander early game in response to the "TMI" post, his questioning of Zander on page 32 about the neighbors stuff, I also like the timing of his claim as stump and find him believable. Truthfully, I do have problems reading Dice and have read him wrongly in the past; this game I feel like he's been pretty solid and townie, if not quite to the extent that everyone reads. If I'm wrong about him, I know I'm getting lynched for being wrong and that's unfortunate, but I'm willing to go out on a limb and defend him too.

@Turin: Explain why you believe that Dice must be scum?

 

But you ARE trying to discount our cop. When you detract from the ONLY peek we have in the village right now, you're setting up the precedence for all reads in the future to be doubted. So it's not just "one person" but it's all the reads that Tsuki may be able provide this game. Turin, why is Eldrick scum and an exception to a peek?

 

I DID lynch a symp and I KNOW I get no credit for that.

- Why do you think I thought Zander was on my supposed team? This is ZANDER we're talking about and I read him quite well. I said he was town, and he was town. I didn't have any notions about a symp because I'm town. I just happen to have reads that are sometimes right and sometimes wrong, just like everyone else. lol

- Yes sure you pushed Shad. You cannot claim that as proof that you're town though. You've heard of busing, you know what it is. Shad was not present in the thread, he was not a solid town read. If he thought his team should just cut their losses for whatever reason, I would EXPECT that from him to propel a teammate forward.

 

The whole "you're treating me as town" is a baiting techinque and you know it. As mafia, of course I would know that you're town. As town, I have a CHANCE of you being town and a CHANCE of you being mafia and the lean changes depending on how the thread is moving and what is happening. So when I say "IF" it's because I DON'T KNOW, not because I might "know" you could be town. That's just ridiculous baiting that doesn't get us anywhere. It's the same as saying "if ___ flips town/mafia" versus "when ___ flips mafia" : the former makes sense to me more when the flip is unknown.

 

The Rey vs Shad thing is ridiculous and a good example of bias.

-Scenario 1: I'm mafia: I obviously choose Rey unless I'm busing a teammate

-Scenario 2: I'm town: I have to make a decision based on thread state and where I have the most information, which at that time, was with Rey, not Shad.

--> The POINT is that you can't decide someone's alignment based on ONE DECISION in which they chose to push town over mafia because TOWN DOESN'T KNOW WHO THE SCUM IS.

--> Second point: sure, it's a point against me in the long run, BUT it's also null when I'm town.

 

Again, you're going to have to explain why Eldrick is mafia and his peek is false.

[Turin Turambar]

And if you do indeed flip stump like you claim, and effectively become an unsilencable innocent child, I want to to detail everything you can about why Turin, the obviously not Ghostbuster, is scum.

 

And I will listen, knowing that what you are saying is a towny pov.

This is actually something I hadn't even considered irt myself.

 

Not sure if it is more a sign of Eldrick linking with Alanna to use a potential Dice town flip to try to build a lylo case on me or just That Dice is caught and throwing stuff out there.

[Eldrick4221]

I don't think you're scum, and have no intention to lynch you this game. Dice and laine clearly do. If dice really is a stump, then he will have no reason not to try and convince his fellow townies that you are scum after it is revealed that he is town.

 

I don't see it happening, though.

[Eldrick4221]

Y'all my nap was real good, btw

+1 for naps. I still don't wanna get up.

[alannalynn]

I tried to quote #2991 but when I did it looked like it was going to break the thread. I don't know where you messed up code but danggg http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/97808-ghostbusters-mafia-day-4/page-150?do=findComment&comment=3646022

What I'm doing instead is pulling your comments from the post if I want to reply directly to them.
 

early jokey which isn't really indicative but it struck me as odd because I would have expected Alanna to be following Cory's game and already know about the ??? bit. Very small thing that just sits weird.

This was legit a joke. I'm not sure if you were in Chris's GnD game, but I was odd-night cop who got recruited by Lenlo into his mafia team on N1. The first person I peeked was Shad in the game and the result was ??? so I revealed in thread my result and basically "it must be something bad we have to lynch him" and everyone went along with it. Then Shad actually flipped ??? and and I was sussed, strangely enough, because I had "lied/something/idk" about my peek results. So, in this post, my joke about me never getting away from having to reveal my peek on thread as ??? was a literal interpretation that I'm never going to escape that strange strange situation that was GnD mafia. lol So it's not that I didn't know about ??? but I STARTED ??? because lol!Clov
 

Reads are interesting. Shad negative. Turin might actually be town (probably TMI )  Defends Dice against Zander vote and continues to push at Z as time goes on until his lynch looks possible (And it becomes clear he might be their symp)

That last bit is you trying to fit the narrative to something that isn't there, first of all. 1. the Zander vote on Dice was stupid (<3)  and 2. When I can't follow Zander he tends to be scum. Also, it wasn't until I was really paying attention to Zander under pressure that I realized he was town. Knowing his character and personality helps in that aspect, as I explained my progression and how I came to my Zander read earlier in the thread. Which you can read for yourself.
 

2 minutes later Alanna reverses on Shad and wants to just watch him. Giving a teammate some rope while giving a suss to point out later.

Re: Shad: Shad's light start to the game that I was referring to was his fluff entrance which I felt went on a little too long (which I think I stated more recently). I wanted more from him. So I chose the sit back and watch approach instead of a direct push. I wanted to see where Shad developed naturally as opposed to what he did under pressure which would have moreso indicated that I was suspicious of him early game and Shad does this /thing/ where he's sly and appeals to me and it sucks and I'd rather just develop a read in the absense of his tilting.
Re: Zander: I think this was before the neighbors reveal and Zander was confusing me a little bit irt the Dice thing. My sit back and wait approach with him comes from needing to see where he takes it and if he begins to make sense to which I can follow what he's saying. Easier than adding more pressure and confusion to an already confusing situation.
---> So no, I wasn't "giving a teammate rope" I was opting to watch two players who I felt I could get a much better read from by not forcing it, but sure I can see where that can be misconstrued as "giving rope". TBH, if I was teammates with Shad I might have put a little conflict into the thread and taken more firm stances instead of "ohhh idkk waffle waffle ughhh this sucks trying to read these ppls"
 

Top section: More Dice Defense.
lower section: Bashing hard at Tsuki. All of the first bits (him having me as mafia, being "weird" in how he plays is just Tsuki. The bolded parts tho are very interesting. If one of the ghost claims is fake and Alanna knew it cause she is mafia this post makes a lot of sense. It is basically telling people to ignore the chance that one of them is mafia. She even cites that Rey agreed about it. I guess his cred for that didn't last. It is an attempt to preemptively paint any lynch attempt on a claimed ghost as bad and only because of the character claim. That she uses Eldrick here as the example reads like it would be she was more concerned about him being sussed.  To answer the question tho I might expect a Wolf!GhostbusterEldrick to claim ghost after someone else already did. 

Um. No. The point I was trying to make is that unless you're the mod, you don't know how the game is set up. And, like, literally.... saying "one of the ghosts is mafia" is literally, and I mean literally setting up lynches. Same as "one of the neighbors MUST be mafia". It sets the stage to lynch one, "oh they're town," then lynch the other. I will ALWAYS proclaim fiercly against setting up lynches like this.
Next, ghosts: My logic on this is that if all scum/whatever are ghosts... they probably know this. Logically, why would they claim ghosts? It just doesn't make logical sense.
Example: "All southerners are racists" Well, I'm not going to claim to be a southerner because I don't want to be called racist! It's the same idea: I'm not going to claim ghost because it's going to be presumed all ghosts are bad!! (this is meant as no offense to southerners, I'm born and raised in South Carolina and we're all wonderful people)

 

So far it feels like she is sussing shad but trying to not drop him too far into her PoE.
 
On something else it is becoming a very real possibility that Eldrick is actually her teammate. Her coming after me because I am considering the possibility of Tsuki being a naive cop which miscleared Eldrick feels like too much of a response to something that is a real possibility.
 
I think this was the in the 20's, so I will keep going.

1. I can't get a read on someone who isn't around or acting like I expect them to, hence the waffly shad read
2. What? Town POV: Why is this dude trying to take away my cop? That's scummy!

 

[alannalynn]

That took a lot of effort.

[alannalynn]

Oh god there's more. WHYY

[Eldrick4221]

Ok. I can see how you guys could interpret a bomb claim as a fake claim. If she was under pressure, and said it to save her skin, your reaction would make sense.

 

But she wasn't. No one was voting her. No one even had her in their wtl afaict. She responded to turin saying that "she should claim because everyone else has". Your reaction to her claim not only makes it look like you want to get rid of the role because you won't be able to nk it, but also gives credence to the validity of the claim.