[Advanced] Salem Mafia - GAME OVER - MAFIA WIN

[dicetosser1]

its that role type talk    basically i think he gets sorted by NAs 

[LilyElizabeth]

Upon reread, I understand what Turin said when he voted me. I didn't understand the first time through. I was really out of it yesterday. 

 

I don't think sheeping someone is a good reason to place a vote. 

 

Vote Turin

[LilyElizabeth]

Upon reread, I understand what Turin said when he voted me. I didn't understand the first time through. I was really out of it yesterday. 

 

I don't think sheeping someone is a good reason to place a vote. 

 

Vote Turin

[Zander?]

Well, that's disappointing. I guess I'll have to wait until tomorrow to find out what Turin meant. 

 

That's really the only thing I find suspicious so far, because I know I'm town, and I don't understand his reason for his vote. 

 

 

 

I've seen a post-NK argument like that maybe 4 or 5 times and it was scum every time. Not even willing to reconsider this vote unless Thane claims Mayor.

Shad, can you quote me what you're referring to? My fuzzy brain can't find it. 

 

 

 

Upon reread, I understand what Turin said when he voted me. I didn't understand the first time through. I was really out of it yesterday. 

 

I don't think sheeping someone is a good reason to place a vote. 

 

Vote Turin

 

 

 

Well, that's disappointing. I guess I'll have to wait until tomorrow to find out what Turin meant. 

 

That's really the only thing I find suspicious so far, because I know I'm town, and I don't understand his reason for his vote. 

 

 

Is that really all you have to comment on so far? 

 

We should be lynching her imo.

 

[Eldrick4221]

Vote counts

 

 

Lily (2) - Turin, Zander

Turin (2) - Hally, Lily

Thane (1) - Shad

 

Not voting: BFG, Dice, Thane

 

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to start the Voting Phase.

 

Day 1 Ends on Sunday at 5pm.

 

 

[Thane Vakarian]

thoughts:

 

Can neutral party win with town? If so, did the read Sili as wolf and wanted to eliminate him for faster victory?

Do they think it'll be easier to eliminate town, seeing there's just a few players here and current odds are 4-2-2? Or 4-4, if you count both neutral and mafia as non-town.

 

tbh, i don't know the neutral party wincon... but here's to hoping they would like to go with town. 

 

Dunno what to make of the whispering in general.... i find it.. odd... 

 

Why did Darthe and Sili get killed? I have no idea. I posted my theory for Sili... but, yeah. Blank on Darthe. He's a strong player, but can't really figure out for sure why he'd be dead. ofcourse no coroner means any role he had could be fakeclaimed by mafia, so.... there's that. 

[Eldrick4221]

I should have been more forthcoming on the role descriptions, as this game is Semi-open, and you guys may not be familiar with how they work.

 

I have changed the role descriptions in the OP for easy reference.

 

There have been some hiccups in converting this game to forum style, and for that I would like to apologize.

[Turin Turambar]

Back and reading now. Will try to get to questions first and then give more thoughts as I come across things.

[dicetosser1]

i think the serial killer will be a solo win  if the others a survivor say they could win with either thane

[Turin Turambar]

thoughts:

 

Can neutral party win with town? If so, did the read Sili as wolf and wanted to eliminate him for faster victory?

Do they think it'll be easier to eliminate town, seeing there's just a few players here and current odds are 4-2-2? Or 4-4, if you count both neutral and mafia as non-town.

 

tbh, i don't know the neutral party wincon... but here's to hoping they would like to go with town. 

 

Dunno what to make of the whispering in general.... i find it.. odd... 

 

Why did Darthe and Sili get killed? I have no idea. I posted my theory for Sili... but, yeah. Blank on Darthe. He's a strong player, but can't really figure out for sure why he'd be dead. ofcourse no coroner means any role he had could be fakeclaimed by mafia, so.... there's that. 

SK that killed Sili CAN NOT WIN WITH TOWN. Some 3p can win with town, some with mafia, some with either. We know the SK can't win with us, so I felt it more than likely that the Sili kill was because he was onto something. How many times has someone gotten killed early and had good reads only to have them be ignored going forward. Too many IMO.

[Turin Turambar]

Good morning, everyone. 

 

Sili, I don't get where you think I'm scum from one joke post. But whatever.

Dismisses Sili's vote and suspicion by saying it is confusing. 

 

Wolfy post IMO

Darthe calls it wolfy. Darthe died.

 

I don't feel well. All I want to do is curl up under the covers, so I'll be scarce, too, until I feel better. I'll pop on every now and then, but I won't be staying online. 

hour from earlier post, not really a big deal to me that she is leaving as it was dusk/night I believe.

 

Night will end 2:45pm (Arizona time)

 

Day start time 

 

Good morning everyone!

It is actually still night here but Lily posted. kinda derp maybe???

 

Darthe was killed by Mafia. This role has been cleaned.

 

Nothing was found with his body.

 

 

 

Sili was killed by Serial Killer. His role was Escort.

 

The following was left in his Will:

 

 

 

 

 

Msg

 

Rbd bfg

 

Darthe dice shad seem town from whispers and other stuff.

 

Lynch lil pls.

 

 

 

NA results. Darthe killed by mafia. No role info due to Janitor. No notes or they were janitored.

 

Sili killed by the SK. Sili request we lynch Lily. Also He RB'ed BFG and due to shad's digging basically spewed her as no worse than neutral non-killing role. Most likely town. (4/5 or 80%) 

 

I'm still in bed sick. I'll be around more tomorrow, I hope. 

Daytime. No content.

 

Hallia is Lily Scum iyo?

Zasks Hallia for a Lily opinion.

 

I have no answer to that for definite. Has she done anything I think is scummy? No. Dice, I meant interesting as in I liked your point. Its thoughtful.

Hallia can't point to anything definitely scummy. 

 

[v] Lily [/v] Sheeping Sili while I reread.

I vote Lily because she hasn't contributed and the only CONFIRMED townie in the game wanted her lynched. I didn't have anything better as I hadn't gone thru the thread at that point and also wanted to ensure that Sili wasn't forgotten. As I know what it is like to die early and then go to the DT and have everyone just ignore what you thought only to later find out that your reads were correct. 

 

Lily hasn't done anything to really play yet. only ask a question and then vote me. I guess I should be flattered that I am the only thing in the game so far.  

[Eldrick4221]

Lily's post was at night. I didn't do anything about it cuz when I noticed I was getting day ready.

[Turin Turambar]

I didn't really expect you to as it wasn't anything game related. 

 

 

 

I do think it would have been funny to have seen  you go " Mom! you can't do that!"

 

 

it was just there because I was noting the posts for content.

 

BTW, I truly hate quoting stuff here. 

 

Sorry, I gotta break it down by post now as MQ got eaten.

[Turin Turambar]

now  as to lily

 

I ve had to change my mind when i realised that Darthe was the mafia kill. I was thinking sili was and thought that too obvious  so thought it was setting lily up.

What do you think about it now? 

 

How likely do you think a "frame" kill is in this spot?

[Eldrick4221]

I didn't really expect you to as it wasn't anything game related.

 

 

 

I do think it would have been funny to have seen you go " Mom! you can't do that!"

 

 

it was just there because I was noting the posts for content.

 

BTW, I truly hate quoting stuff here.

 

Sorry, I gotta break it down by post now as MQ got eaten.

I so should have.

[Turin Turambar]

 

 

 

Hallia is Lily Scum iyo?

 

I have an answer for this but will wait til halli answers

 

 

Thank you,

 

1. And now that I answered, what of it?

 

 

Darthe was killed by Mafia. This role has been cleaned.

 

Nothing was found with his body.

 

Sili was killed by Serial Killer. His role was Escort.

 

The following was left in his Will:

 

 

Msg

 

Rbd bfg

 

Darthe dice shad seem town from whispers and other stuff.

 

Lynch lil pls.

 

Blackmailer - Mafia Support - Give someone a PR for the following day.

Consigliere - Mafia Support - Mafia-aligned Investigator.

Consort - Mafia Support - Roleblock someone each night.

Framer - Mafia Deception - Choose one person to frame each night. (They will view as Mafia – Framer)

Godfather - Mafia Killing - Assign someone to be killed each night. Will submit the Nightkill personally if there isn't a Mafioso.

Janitor - Mafia Deception - Choose a person to clean each night, if they die. 3X cleanings

Mafioso - Mafia Killing - Night Kill. Carry out the Godfather's orders, if applicable.

Mafia got off two actions--a killing action and a Janitor action. Serial Killer got off a kill. So BFG can only be town or the Neutral Any slot.

 

2. Are there only two mafia?

 

 

Why ask Hallia in particular?

 

 

 

I have an answer for this but will wait til halli answers

 

???

 

I'm not sure what they meant by it.

[v] Lily [/v] Sheeping Sili while I reread.

3. I find this vote gross and lazy.

Darthe had light town reads on Dice/Sili, tested Hallia and Shad, I quite liked their initial reactions.

 

Sili was suspicious of Lily, and town reading Dice/Darthe.

 

I can't see any obvious smoking guns

 

 

 

 

Doce and sili are town?

 

Lol we have 4 non-town this game and have had 7 of our 10 players check in.  The wolves are among us.  Wake up sheeple!

 

Shad SK confirmed

 

Hally wolf?

 

Hally wolf.

 

 

You know it

 

 

 

your both goofballs

dice who you want me to shoot tonight?

 

 

 

Why lil, I hear the invisible man say?

 

'all'

 

You can extrapolate what I mean from there. *shrug*

 

 

[v]Zander[/v]

4. I like your above reads, but what about Zander makes you vote him?

Pretty sure that was in response to Sili though, and there aren't any roles that would have a result that early

I agree; there is no way that I can see that Derf would've had a peek on Thane.

 

awesome

 

 

id never remember the polls and honestly i think they are a bad idea as some people use their votes as a tactic

I don't understand how using the poll or not has anything to do with using your vote as a tactic. Either the ITT vote or the poll vote will be listed as the "valid" vote. from there it is a matter of adjusting to the rules just like if you have to unvote before your next vote counts or how strict the MOD will be about vote formats. 

 

 

Interesting point, Dice.

 

put the tinfoil down halli   I was thinking  of shad in particular

 

Why Shad? has he done the vote format thing or some other similar legal shenanigans?

 

I have no answer to that for definite. Has she done anything I think is scummy? No. Dice, I meant interesting as in I liked your point. Its thoughtful.

Not sure how I feel about this post. Can you explain how you found it thoughtful? Maybe I am missing something.

 

5. I see that it got explained overnight, are you still confused?  I want some pressure here.  The sheeping of Sili onto Lily with no reasoning doesn't cut it.

 

Vote: Turin

 

1.  Did Dice answer this? What did you think of his answer?

2. Yes. I think this was explained earlier.

3. I gave my reason. Sili (confirmed town) had a feeling that she was mafia. I echoed that feel internally and I hadn't reread the thread or really thought much about the NAs or what they meant.  Since rereading I don't see anything that gives me a town vibe from Lily and am confused why you are. 

4.  I would like to hear more from BFG as I have her as close to clear mechanically. 

5.  What was explained? that he sees it differently? That he saw it used once and that it worked to help mafia. It feels more like he decided to use it as a non-game related talking point.

 

 

 

Pressure away.  You are barking up the wrong tree. 

[Eldrick4221]

That being said, absolutely no night talking from this point forward, game related or otherwise.

 

If you accidently post at night, please delete it.

[Turin Turambar]

 

 

That reminds me, my N0 peek is Thane W if anyone cares

Thane hadn't posted at that time.  So it's possible it was just Darthe being Darthe. 

 

All of Thane's posts. No content at all. 

 

 

ok.... well... I'll do my best to keep up this game. Hopefully it'll stay quiet this week. 

 

Hiyas all

 

 

ok.... well... I'll do my best to keep up this game. Hopefully it'll stay quiet this week. 

 

Hiyas all

 

 

cloudflare, gotta love it

 

 

I get the feeling that this game will be insane.... 

 

 

 

 

I love how pineapple is getting more votes :D

 

It articulates my thoughts on the matter the most directly of the three options.

 

totally agreed there

 

 

 

i guess it'll be as long as it takes....

 

 

yeah, it's not even D1 yet, lol

 

 

battletanks?

 

 

 

*dies*

 

 

 

Thane, in what way do you think this game will be insane?

 

1.Just seeing the possible roles and the player list. 1 + 1 equals very interesting game.

 

2. Darthe and Sili dead... that is a great loss for town. I know that Darthe is not likely to be seer *nods* 

 

At least at this game's snail's pace Thane shouldn't have a serious issue keeping up.  >_>

Yeah, it seems so.... but it's worrying that the game is so slow. too many places to hide for the wolves.

 

3. fwiw...Shad, i think you're a wolf this game... but i'll still need to confirm that.

 

1.  Okay. So you think there a lot of good players in this game. Noted.

2. Do you think that Shad is a better NK than Darthe for the mafia? Why? 

Knowing Sili was killed by the SK do you have any thought about why that would be?

3. Do you have any reasons for that read? Other than the "he didn't die" thing? Cause I don't see how it is obvious that Shad is a better kill than Darthe.

[Turin Turambar]

townShad is a likely target by any non-town organisation, 'cause he is quite good at solving. Him not being targeted during the night, with all the roles available, seems ... well, unlikely

It isn't possible he has miscleared someone so they went after someone that was more correct? Everyone is wrong sometimes. Even John. 

[dicetosser1]

@turin   that number 1 u asked if i answered?  i answered Zander because i said i had a thought but i didnt answer that comment of hallys cause i thought it was aimed at zander

 

the frame idea

 i had sili v lily in mind  didnt even realise darthe had commented on her. i still think her being framed is possible cause they killed DARTHE. they couldnt know that sili would die and killing darthe and leaving sili alive would mean more pressure on lily

 

 

does that make sense?

[Turin Turambar]

Lol, rolefishing ey? I'm not the mayor, but i can be essential to town for all that matters.

 

You underestimate yourself, Shad, willingly.

 

As for your too easy comment: same could be said about that vote on me

 

It's true that i usually don't enter a game with statements like "X is wolf"....

 

But I only have one thing to say about that:

 

[Turin Turambar]

Stupid me. I need a nap.  

This is all to the quoted post above (Thane's).

 

first: did you just claim not town? 

second: opinion. I don't know how you can say that Shad is the best so is the defacto N1 kill by mafia.

third: except his vote has a in game reason while yours is based on at best a metagame opinion.

fourth: okay. you see why it would oing someone then?

[Turin Turambar]

Turin mostly MIA.

 

Lily mostly MIA.

 

Thane scummy.

 

Zander being aloof. Neutral party?

 

BFG mostly MIA but spewed non-mafia non-SK by Sili's death note unless I'm missing a mechanic.

 

Dice towny, Hallia eternally hard to read but looking better than most of the field.

 

GOAT D1 solve would be GOAT.

I'm here as much as I can be. I forgot how tough two games at once could be. Lily, I think that you should have more opinions on the game than just your nothing read on me.

 

Thane very weird.

 

Did you explain how Z ia aloof and why that is leading you to think indy?

 

Agree with BFG assessment. Disagree with Dice and not sure about Hallia. That will probably need to wait until we get a flip today.  

Or maybe I chose to play differently, seeing i'm trying to actually give you something to work with in the little time i can be here?

 

Once again, Shad, lynching me would be... not that good.

 

But,who am I kidding, right? " It's Thane, he's scummy, let's kill him and just not believe he actually might be telling the truth. "

 

Sometimes I really wonder why I even try....

 

Back to my previous gameplay MO, perhaps? Just lurk my way through the game, make excellent reads list noboby believes, hammer a wolf and try not to get lynched? I can do that too. Buh bye

 

#somuchfortryingsomethingnew

#emoisthenewblack

 

This entire post is all fearmongering and AtE with a side dish of self pity. I can't take this in every game.

 

Come on. Viking up man

 

What made Sili and Darthe less likely targets in your opinion?

I want to hear the response to this

 

No one said anything of the sort, Thane. They simply gave their opinion back to yours. If you believe what you're saying, stick with it. If you see that he or I made a point that is good and you can see where we are coming from, go with it. No one is trying to say you shouldn't play.

Nicer way of saying what I said. Play the game please.

[Turin Turambar]

@turin   that number 1 u asked if i answered?  i answered Zander because i said i had a thought but i didnt answer that comment of hallys cause i thought it was aimed at zander

 

the frame idea

 i had sili v lily in mind  didnt even realise darthe had commented on her. i still think her being framed is possible cause they killed DARTHE. they couldnt know that sili would die and killing darthe and leaving sili alive would mean more pressure on lily

 

 

does that make sense?

Okay. It is possible. Which do you think is more likely? 

 

If you don't mind what is your current Lily read and what brought you to it?

 

What do you think of Zander as well?

[dicetosser1]

im not liking lilys play at all but i dont think shes the SK  and as i said my frame idea largely went out the window when i realised it was Darthe. 

 

I do think it still unlikely she is mafia cause like i said  mafia didnt kill the person howling for her lynch and couldnt know hed die