[Basic] Bolshevik Mafia - TOWN WINS

[Zander?]

Where I'm at presently...

 

1. Darthe- town lean: I think he is being a bit of an jerk in places but I still have him as town. I think the pushes he has made for the most part make sense.  

2. Zander- mafia: simply he shold know that I would latch onto Eldrick early especially since I did catch him do something similar. 

3. Sooh- light town lean: in part because I am seeing her getting pushed by people I suspect. Also I did think her Hallia change made reasonable sense.

4. Calder- null: I don't remember any of his stances. I may try to ISO him. Maynot have time today.

5. Lenlo- Town:  I can't remember anything that bothered me and I really liked the way he interacted with Z. I also didn't have a problem with his question about seer cover that some did. It boils down to WIFOM ultimately and that is kinda the entire point there. 

6. Hallia- mafia lean: I don't see her method for getting to Darthe is mafia. I don't see her Sooh vote as being real.  

7. NotBob Manbat- mixed: I had him as mafia and still have some doubt about the entire meltdown thing. It feels staged. I just don't understand how anyone gets worked up about the game itself in that manner. He has had some reasonable talk mixed among it tho so I dunno.

8. Kronos- Incomplete: I didn't see his Hallia vote as a  "slip". Might reconsider if she flips mafia. He needs to get in here tho because IIRC he used to have difficulty engaging the thread as mafia when he played before.

9. Turin- TTtT: 

10. Laine- slight town lean: Might be giving extra rope because I tend to read her incorrectly as mafia so often. I hope that she get more time to play and bring the fire. I don't hate her Thane vote but think i could be a cop out to avoid the Z/Darthe vote. 

11. Eldrick- Mafia lean: The two potential slips( vote: the wolves, not not not not). the Sooh thing. just a general bad feeling. His game seems always TWTBAWW but that gives me pause. Finally it did feel like he was seer hunting in the early discussion.

12. Thane- incomplete: Seriously. get in the game or sub out. 

13. BFG- Strong town lean: I usually read her town early and I will here as well. She didn't wilt when Darthe kinda went at her. She just kept working and trying to get him to explain. I like the why questions. I can see where she is coming from and where her thoughts are going.  

 

 

Turin

Lenlo

BFG

 

Darthe

Sooh

Alanna

 

Manbat

Calder

Kronos*

Thane*

 

Eldrick

Hallia

Zander

 

BFG is your strongest Town read??  Please go into this some more for me.  Did you claim a peek on her Im not remembering?

 

Im not a fan of this list like at all.

[Turin Turambar]

Z. there is only one seer. IMO if you are the seer (which anyone giving seer cover is effectively saying they are) then you would be somewhat doubtful of anyone else's D0 peek info cause there can only be one. It felt to me like Hallia was trying to say Eldrick was justified in his defense of you because you were his peek as well as hers. But if that is the case then she doesn't really believe her own peek on you. Basically it felt like a confusion of  a read and a peek. one is subjective while the other is absolute. 

 

 

 

 

 

I may not be explaining this properly. I guess it is possible she just inadvertently blew her cover tho. 

[Zander?]

I just woke up and skimmed to catch up before leaving for school. Zander, you're pushing the angle that I haven't reevaluated my stance on you. The only other content that I have is you and Darthe yelling back and forth at each other which I read and didn't like how you came out of that argument. For me, this isn't a choice between Zander and Darthe, I think you're mafia, separate from Darthe's alignment. fwiw, I believe Darthe might be town.

 

BFG commented my vote on Thane came out of nowhere... I was starting ISOs with Thane and noticed how friggen scummy he is. Zero content in 56 pages is not a good look. I'm committed to lynching Zander but would be WTL Thane as well right now. I started a Sooh ISO but fell asleep

 

Ive been waiting for you Lainey,

 

So you think Im scum yet you havent even voted me?

 

You never commented on my freakout, or my back and forth with Darthe, like none of these things are relevant at all one way or the other?  Your entire read is based basically off of what you called a weak push, that you agreed with at like the beginning of the game.

 

Im the second highest poster and have interacted with a lot of people. But NONE of that is relevant?

 

Its like you choose me to be Scum and that was that, no progression, no commenting on my posts, no re evaluating, no adding to your case.

 

Oh ya and your basically voting an inactive over your top Scum read.

 

I mean thats prolly what a Towny does right?

[Turin Turambar]

I haven't claimed a peek on BFG. She is one of my most likely town. I like her approach and I think I read her pretty well.   

[Turin Turambar]

Z, Explain what you don't like about my list and if it makes you think I'm mafia. 

[BFG]

Lol Manbat is probably town

 

No, my game is different to Cory's game, I wasn't able to camp for 18 hours in thread when the game had just started, drive discussion and place myself at the centre of the game. But that isn't my usual town game either so I'm not sure what your point is?

 

I kind of hate myself at this point, I don't have a strong read on Zander.

 

In ISO his early game was slower than I remember, he's never really 'thrown all his toys out of the pram', his development of reads isnt readily apparent all things that would make me ok with a vote on him. he's not really pushed suspects this game. I don't know how much to put this down to RL. This isn't the Spoooky Zander, but that wasn't a standard situation or his normal mafia game. This isn't normal town Zander either.

 

a lot of the stuff people are pointing out seems null, he defends himself hard as mafia and town, he OMGUS's as town and mafia. He had suspicions of Laine/Darthe before their pushes.

 

But, as dumb as this is, I don't see a team, ignoring reads for a bit he'd probably be bussing Thane/Kronos/Sooh/Lenlo, Eldrick/Hallia more complicated because of the peek. But that leaves Darthe/Calder/Manbat/Laine... Would be a pretty large bus, I don't really see it.

[Zander?]

I'm on page 42, trying to make sense of it all with 2 hours till deadline. i do apologize for my absence, which is work-related. I know I'm probably a question mark for a lot of people. I'll try (TRY) to improve that, but it won't be easy. I'll try to fulfill the role given to me this game as good and as bad as I can, tho. 

 

Brother give us something to work with please.

[Zander?]

 

Just ISOd Zander, Calder, Laine

 

 

With Laine the only real issue is thé Thane vote. As of her first list she had a bottom 3 of Zander/Sooh/Eldrick, her vote landing on Thane seems off. Her recent list has them both higher. But there's nothing in her ISO to explain why.

 

A paranoid part of me questions her read on me, I'm out of my mafia

meta, but for reasons that I don't think Laine usually use to read me by. Having said that she's said it's not a strong read so I'm probably just paranoid.

IRT Eldrick moving up and Thane moving down from nulls: Eldrick was a mixed read for me, as in "this could be scummy, but could also be townie, I'll wait and see" I don't think I had an exact lean on him to begin with but right now he's leaning town. Sooh was also mixed and still kind of is until I ISO. Thane was null and now he's mafia. I'm pretty sure I explained my thoughts on Eldrick earlier, that I could go either way, I just happened to bring him up the list instead of down, I suppose.

 

I mean, damn, their exact placement on my list is nothing if I'm not lynching them right now. I'm waiting to vote Zander since I'll be here at DL and wouldn't mind talking with him.

 

BFG, you confuse me but I think you might be town but it's a very very cautious town.

 

I can't decide if Laine is actually putting in an effort or just an appearance of one. It's not the level I'm used to from town!Laine. I know she said we won't be getting that, but I have to worry if it's a front because she's scum and knows she won't be giving the same level of effort that she would as town.

FFS Eldrick I can put in the same level of effort as a wolf, I'm sorry that this isn't good enough but I have a life. Yet I don't see you saying ANYTHING to those who literally aren't here and haven't been here.

 

And now I'm late for school.

 

 

Is it not funny Lainey's having to explain like ALL her reads because theres little to no progression on ANY of them?

[Zander?]

Z. there is only one seer. IMO if you are the seer (which anyone giving seer cover is effectively saying they are) then you would be somewhat doubtful of anyone else's D0 peek info cause there can only be one. It felt to me like Hallia was trying to say Eldrick was justified in his defense of you because you were his peek as well as hers. But if that is the case then she doesn't really believe her own peek on you. Basically it felt like a confusion of  a read and a peek. one is subjective while the other is absolute. 

 

 

 

 

 

I may not be explaining this properly. I guess it is possible she just inadvertently blew her cover tho. 

 

Or she was just answering a question for someone, which Im not a fan of, like Lenlo did early?

 

I think youre only looking at this in a black and white type way and not allowing a grey area.

 

But im still not sure Im following this tbqh.

[Zander?]

I haven't claimed a peek on BFG. She is one of my most likely town. I like her approach and I think I read her pretty well.   

 

Did you see the posts she herself says that shes not out of her Scum range as well as that shes playing differently then she did as a Town!Boss last game?

 

This read looks worse coupled with the fact she wasnt your peek.

 

Z, Explain what you don't like about my list and if it makes you think I'm mafia. 

 

See above irt to BFG.

 

Ive poked enough wholes in Darthe's case against me yet you like it.

 

You have Darthe and Alanna as Town reads which I have as Scum reads.

 

You also say that you dont read her well but your reason for voting me is that your reason for voting me is the same thing?

 

Thats hypocritical imo.

 

The reasoning and thats important for your Scum read is wrong, Hallia in Minions OMGUS voted/ scum read everyone who was reading her Scum and went into some explanation for it.  Town!Hallia drops votes and hammers with little to no reasoning at all.  Look at Belicheat and Matrix for examples of this.  Shes also more defensive and snarky and brushes off people who suss her. 

 

So yes this reads list is something I dont like, Im not condemning you atp as Scum for it yet but gun to head Id lean you that way,

[alannalynn]

Zander you're just throwing crap at me to see what sticks, do you really think that I am scum?

[Zander?]

Zander you're just throwing crap at me to see what sticks, do you really think that I am scum?

 

Thats complete BS and you know it.

 

Yes I do.

 

SHow us where you progressed a read on anyone?

 

Show us where you as Town!Alanna, ignores tons if content and sticks to an early weak read, especially where the reasoning is a weak push she agress with.

 

Throwing Shade lolololololol, the proof is all there.

 

Show me Im wrong, on ANY of it.

[Zander?]

Also try responding to my stuff instead of just saying Im just casting Shade.

 

Refute me, show people Im wrong,

 

Show your work and progression on your reads.

 

Town!Lainey can be wrong, but you can at least see how she got there.  You cant here, at all.

[Eldrick4221]

 

Z. there is only one seer. IMO if you are the seer (which anyone giving seer cover is effectively saying they are) then you would be somewhat doubtful of anyone else's D0 peek info cause there can only be one. It felt to me like Hallia was trying to say Eldrick was justified in his defense of you because you were his peek as well as hers. But if that is the case then she doesn't really believe her own peek on you. Basically it felt like a confusion of  a read and a peek. one is subjective while the other is absolute. 

 

 

 

 

 

I may not be explaining this properly. I guess it is possible she just inadvertently blew her cover tho. 

 

Or she was just answering a question for someone, which Im not a fan of, like Lenlo did early?

 

I think youre only looking at this in a black and white type way and not allowing a grey area.

 

But im still not sure Im following this tbqh.

 

 

This isn't scummy. It just bugs you.

[alannalynn]

 

I just woke up and skimmed to catch up before leaving for school. Zander, you're pushing the angle that I haven't reevaluated my stance on you. The only other content that I have is you and Darthe yelling back and forth at each other which I read and didn't like how you came out of that argument. For me, this isn't a choice between Zander and Darthe, I think you're mafia, separate from Darthe's alignment. fwiw, I believe Darthe might be town.

 

BFG commented my vote on Thane came out of nowhere... I was starting ISOs with Thane and noticed how friggen scummy he is. Zero content in 56 pages is not a good look. I'm committed to lynching Zander but would be WTL Thane as well right now. I started a Sooh ISO but fell asleep

 

Ive been waiting for you Lainey,

 

So you think Im scum yet you havent even voted me?

 

You never commented on my freakout, or my back and forth with Darthe, like none of these things are relevant at all one way or the other?  Your entire read is based basically off of what you called a weak push, that you agreed with at like the beginning of the game.

 

Im the second highest poster and have interacted with a lot of people. But NONE of that is relevant?

 

Its like you choose me to be Scum and that was that, no progression, no commenting on my posts, no re evaluating, no adding to your case.

 

Oh ya and your basically voting an inactive over your top Scum read.

 

I mean thats prolly what a Towny does right?

 

Zander I haven't voted you because I'm trying to use all the time I have right now. We have like 45ish minutes until deadline and I'm in class, and I'm trying to do what I can before I vote. I didn't comment on those things because I already had what I needed and throwing more flames on the fire wasn't what I wanted to do at the time. I could go back to talk over those points but now isn't exactly the time.

 

You keep saying that I've had no progression but as far as I can tell that's all you have against me and it's an easy accusation to throw out when you don't have a case against someone. Do you REALLY believe that I would attack you if I was wolf? You're just scum, Z.

 

Vote on Thane was pressure.

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[v]Zander[/v]

[BFG]

Zander, where did I say I wasn't out of my mafia range? Why do you keep saying that one day of posting in one game is my town game, when you know that's not my usual game? Especially considering Turin wasn't in that game

[Zander?]

Good Darthe's on as well lets see whats up.

[alannalynn]

BY THE WAY, some of my reads have progressed: Darthe, BFG, Eldrick, Thane, Zander. They have all progressed and probably more. Some of them are more town than before. Some of them are more scum than before. Some of them actually have a lean now instead of "null". Is that not progression? Do I really need to progress a scum read when I know I have it in the bag?

[Shad_]

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OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Zander (5): Turin, Calder, Darthe, Lenlo, Laine

Darthe (3): Eldrick, Zander, Hallia

 

Not Voting: BFG, Kronos, Sooh, Thane, manbat

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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[Zander?]

Zander, where did I say I wasn't out of my mafia range? Why do you keep saying that one day of posting in one game is my town game, when you know that's not my usual game? Especially considering Turin wasn't in that game

 

 

Just ISOd Zander, Calder, Laine

 

 

With Laine the only real issue is thé Thane vote. As of her first list she had a bottom 3 of Zander/Sooh/Eldrick, her vote landing on Thane seems off. Her recent list has them both higher. But there's nothing in her ISO to explain why.

 

A paranoid part of me questions her read on me, I'm out of my mafia

meta, but for reasons that I don't think Laine usually use to read me by. Having said that she's said it's not a strong read so I'm probably just paranoid.

 

Sorry I read that last part incorrectly.

 

As Town you Boss it up.  As Scum you dont.

 

You yourself said you were playing differently.  Ive seen you Town it up, I havent seen it her as of yet but you havent been far enough off atp where Id be more worried about you then my other scum suspects.

[Calder]

Especially considering how he transitioned into voting you afterwords I dunno

Maybe it's just me but I feel like town him SHOULD HAVE suspected me coming into the thread, despite that I said it would make me angry

I decided before this game to try and limit my interactions with you until I had a firm stance. Because both previous D1 pushes ended unfun to say the least.

 

But, to further answer your question above, I think your really just looking for a response from me and this is not a true point. Bc I notably pushed you twice on previous D1s in our short time playing together. One as scum and one as town. So I dont see why you would want me to have pushed you, since previous experience has not been alignment indicative for you.

[Zander?]

BY THE WAY, some of my reads have progressed: Darthe, BFG, Eldrick, Thane, Zander. They have all progressed and probably more. Some of them are more town than before. Some of them are more scum than before. Some of them actually have a lean now instead of "null". Is that not progression? Do I really need to progress a scum read when I know I have it in the bag?

 

THIS IS 100% not Town Lainey.

 

Seriously, show me where you progressed on me at all since the beginning, youve ignored over half my content,

 

Everyone knows how we buddy up and yet your not willing to re evaluate me at all?

 

Same false bravado as Darthe,

 

But cant substantiate ANY of my claims against her,

[Zander?]

Calder get caught up and tell me Im still Scum, please remove your vote till you do so I dont get hammered.

[Eldrick4221]

I could CFD on Laine right now. I'm not feeling her town game at all.

[Zander?]

I could CFD on Laine right now. I'm not feeling her town game at all.

 

I will ONLY be voting Darthe or her.