the Hunt for the Dragon Reborn [Standard Mafia] Game Over town wins

[Darthe]

I'd really enjoy what Turin is doing if he was pretty clear. He is exploring alternate paths

[Sooh]

Here and catching up from page 37. 

If anything requires my immediate attention, please point me to it, otherwise I'll get to it as I go through the thread.

[Shad_]

I'll be in and out from here, leaving off top of page 50.

[Darthe]

[V] verb [/v]

[Darthe]

Nobody should have issues with following me on that, its at least equal to Dice and dice has absolutely no counterwagon.

[Darthe]

Here and catching up from page 37.

If anything requires my immediate attention, please point me to it, otherwise I'll get to it as I go through the thread.

Immediate attention? We just need you to clear yourself plz and ty

[Sooh]

 

Doing Thane.

 

giggity?

 

Mindmeld.

[Sooh]

Here is why Dice is a wolf in a way that I think should be a teachable moment:

 

He got mislynched d1 of Chrono Trigger and showed up dead thread fuming he'd been lynched.

 

He threw out all the reads he was making all game and pushed for why they should have looked at his suspects and how they were dumb for considering him lynchworthy.

 

---

 

Do you think Villager!Dice turning up to the dead thread after being mislynched d1 fumes at his lynch and explains why his suspects were the right ones?

 

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That's the difference in Dice's games.

 

As a villager, he cares about his reads. He makes them because he wants to be right. If he sees something readable, he brings it up. It might not be popular and it might not be something everyone is going to like, but he's going to do it, because he's Dice goddamnit and he's got reads to make.

 

His wolf games is all about finding any reason whatsoever not to actually participate in the game.

This is very true about Dice, and I'm curious to see what has happened between this post and now in terms of more content from Dice.

[Darthe]

Spoiler alert: nothing

[Cory Caboose]

Sooh, I think if you are a villager the wolves have been going out of their way to defend you because I think your frustration is easier to see as villagery from a wolf POV where they know you are a villager.

 

Does that make sense?

[Darthe]

I feel comfortable with

 

zander

Shad

Thane

 

Calder

Tina

Hally

Cory

Turin

 

Laine

Sooh

Dice

verb

 

Those arent in order, just groups. Categories are strong town, weak town, weak wolf

[Cory Caboose]

I have earned the right to be in group one.

 

Don't you dare.

[Sooh]

Sooh, I think if you are a villager the wolves have been going out of their way to defend you because I think your frustration is easier to see as villagery from a wolf POV where they know you are a villager.

 

Does that make sense?

Oh, I've been there in my head a lot. It's why I was originally sussing Dice, and why I was sort of doing the same with Turin, except he was sussing Shad who I also was sussing at the time (if this sentence even makes sense. I got confused typing it.).

[Darthe]

I dare. You're pushing that you are the towniest townie to ever town consistently and you're driving a couple of positions oddly, a la tina. Force of will is not enough to get points with me and ironically is costing you some here.

[Darthe]

Btw you have deff played a better town game before.

[Calder]

Sooh, I think if you are a villager the wolves have been going out of their way to defend you because I think your frustration is easier to see as villagery from a wolf POV where they know you are a villager.

 

Does that make sense?

This was basically my point in the original discussion with Sooh and Dice. It is the kind of thing that wolves leap to defend bc the person appears sooo obv innocent they fear staying silent or joining in the questioning.

[Cory Caboose]

You think Tina is a wolf? ISO says otherwise. Tell me why.

 

I am the towniest townie to ever town in this game. I've probably never been more townie in a game in my entire werewolf career.

 

I don't care what you think of it, I'm going to do what I'm doing because this is me.

[Cory Caboose]

Btw you have deff played a better town game before.

 

Why, do you know the player alignments or something?

[Cory Caboose]

 

Sooh, I think if you are a villager the wolves have been going out of their way to defend you because I think your frustration is easier to see as villagery from a wolf POV where they know you are a villager.

 

Does that make sense?

This was basically my point in the original discussion with Sooh and Dice. It is the kind of thing that wolves leap to defend bc the person appears sooo obv innocent they fear staying silent or joining in the questioning.

 

 

Yeah I liked your initial post on dice a lot, especially if dice is a wolf.

 

Verbal did something very similar.

[Hallia]

 

 

 

I am literally never going to be able to wolf again after this game.

 

There is no chance in hell I come close to replicating this as a wolf ever.

 

I need to like move to the AL and become a Designated Villager.

Ftr id still cop you, especially if dice/verb are town or tina is a wolf. Id prob lynch you if either of those was known to ve true.

 

 

Copping me is dumb since 85% of the time all you get back is "you peeked a dead villager, GJ"

 

 

 

I don't think so, Correh <3

 

Hallia is this in response to the above?

 

Yes

 

 

Turin:

 

 

I was gonna try to put all of the posts together but they are all interspersed in with other long MQs that deal with other things. So I'm gonna have to do what I can . This is taking too long.

 

 

 

 

Oh Zander

 

Theme let us hope this game we can finally clear one another!

~~~1Hallia said in one MQ that this is the post I had a problem with. I did, I do. I think I explained my reasoning already. Buddying is a real thing and it is a real thing that many people are reluctant to overcome their initial read on a player. Meaning that they require more bad info to move someone down that they have more likely town.

She said that my opinion silly or that she thought it was silly or sommat like that.  She never really said why that I know of.

 

 

Got to 10 quotes, and didn't wanna go crazy with the quotes.  Up to 8.

 

P6:

I feel that Cory's attempt to understand Sooh and clear the air looks good for him.

 

 

 

 

Sooh...i dont think you really think Ive cleared Cory....

 

Are you doing that thing that wolves do by just saying things for the sake of saying them?

Zander, you posted his name in blue next to yours. Now if that's a joke then just say so and I'll let it go.

 

 

 

For everyone:

So many of these mafia games lately have started by people who are really excited about playing together, and the rest of us are not important what so ever. I dislike this behavior intensely, because in being exclusively interested in what that one person you're excited about is saying you're also immediately excluding a bunch of people.

 

Player 1 posts, immediate reaction: Oh Player, let's town together! We're going to wreck all the wolves and it will be awesome.

 

Player 2 posts, immediate reaction: Oh yeah? Is that what the wolves told you to say? Are you a wolf?

 

It creates an environment where some people, only based on who they are, are received in a so much better way than others.

Sooh you know I love you.

 

Sooh its pretty obv a joke.

 

I love everyone and dont have anyone I dont like playing with...that even includes Lenlo......lololololololol <3 <3 <3

 

But I really dislike this post from you. You know me and Cory away from the game and you know were obv joking around about that like first page into the game

 

[v] Sooh [/v]

your read didn't look like a joke. You are assuming that people will read it as such.

 

More importantly tho is why are you voting here? Is it from being upset or does her statement make you think she is mafia?

 

1. Turin on the other hand; says the read didn't look like a joke; that must be a personal opinion, because it looked like a pretty obvious one for me.  Also, I don't like the linking he tried to do with Thane and myself over what I said to him.

 

I'm not sure that's wolfy for Sooh.

 

I just don't understand what she is saying. She's played with all of us before. I want to understand.

I'm saying that I am not a fan of the behavior as it excludes a bunch of other players. It's not alignment indicative what so ever.

 

It's like there's an IN crowd who are the COOL people and the rest are just wall paint. I dislike that kind of excluding behavior in any environment, I saw it here and I called people on it. 

 

Outside of asking a question about people clearing you for no reason what so ever I don't think I've done any gameplay at all this game yet.

 

2. As I said, I don't think there is a cool crowd that protects people.  Zander has caught me wolfing, as has Cory and they're pretty much my best fronds ever

I've been scumread by Cory, and we all know he luffs me

 

 

For everyone: 

So many of these mafia games lately have started by people who are really excited about playing together, and the rest of us are not important what so ever. I dislike this behavior intensely, because in being exclusively interested in what that one person you're excited about is saying you're also immediately excluding a bunch of people.

 

Player 1 posts, immediate reaction: Oh Player, let's town together! We're going to wreck all the wolves and it will be awesome.

 

Player 2 posts, immediate reaction: Oh yeah? Is that what the wolves told you to say? Are you a wolf?

 

It creates an environment where some people, only based on who they are, are received in a so much better way than others.

It doesn't really work like that though. I at your intro post for the exact same reason Zander later explained.

 

End of 6 going into 7:

 

Sooh wants to drop it.  Whole interaction is just strange, not sure where it came from. 

 

 

The v/v/v thing sounds like trying to fit in. wether it really says anything about Cory and Zander is up in the air.

Would you perhaps say that I was trying to cory favor?

Bwahahahaha

 

It makes me nervous that you could be buddying them or you could as a group be setting yourselves to just green read steamroll the game.

 

3. More of what is making me suspicious of Turin.

Right now what are your snap reads of everyone? Just say who.you legit think is town or mafia. Feel free to leave out the nulls. I'm curious.

 

Right now I will say I am suspicious of all the people that say things like "hopefully we will read each other right" or things like that.

 

Hallia, Shad, Thane jumping into the 4 v's.

 

I actually lean town on Sooh for the controversial post. I just don't see her making that post as mafia. Too likely to draw negative attention.

 

I think rest null. But only on phone so might have missed something.

 

I personally don't see this post coming from mafia Thane:

 

ok, now for some thoughts of mine... it's a silly little thought i have, but i get the feeling (<- important word there) that we just might have all town players at the moment. Don't crucify me for that statement later if i'm wrong, but you may worship me if it's true

 

P8:

 

Wait, so...I don't understand. Turin, are you saying I'm wolfy for saying that to Thane? Or you have me as a villager? I am confused.

I have you leaning mafia for that.

 

Zander, you are voting her but you don't think she is mafia? Now I'm confused.

 

 

 

Wait, so...I don't understand. Turin, are you saying I'm wolfy for saying that to Thane? Or you have me as a villager? I am confused.

I have you leaning mafia for that.

 

Zander, you are voting her but you don't think she is mafia? Now I'm confused.

 

 

Turin thats absolutely NOT what I said.

 

Why you misrepping me brah?

 

 

I feel like this is TownZander.  He's just on point, and even trying to corral himself.  4. I feel like Turin is misrepping people; I think it might just be intentional.

 

 

As someone who used to go off about the Alliance I get where sooh is coming from. It may not be alignment indicative but it can sometimes feel a bit cliquey and can sometimes be a bit annoying.

 

Zander you really should remove your vote. She expressed an opinion   a personal opinion at that   and whether she knows u out of game or not she is entitled to that opinion and shouldnt be getting pressured for it.

 

Don't like Dice's defense of Sooh.  He's def. in the suspect pool.  I feel mixed on Sooh  still. :/

 

Continuing on.

 

big post:

1: Of course it was my opinion that the post doesn't read as a joke. I don't know what Z is thinking there.  Congratulations on your ability to read Zander's mind. I can barely read his posts half the time. (kidding Z, it is more like 10% failure to understand what you are saying) Also, I didn't try to link you too together. I suspected you both separately because you did something similar that I find to be questionable. I have caught mafia doing it too so w/e. 

 

2: But do you think that Sooh didn't believe what she was saying? That is the real question to determine if it really has anything to do with her alignment. I can say that reading the opening I can see how she could feel that she was right.

 

3. First question: post above or below or both? what in particular about the post(s) made you suspicious of me? Do you think buddying doesn't happen? Do you think that mafia wouldn't group together and just use force of personality to green read each other all the way through and drown out the town? 

 

4. How did I misrep him? He said that he wasn't sure she was a wolf. He was voting her. I believe that in a recent game he came at me because I was questioning him because he was sussing someone but wasn't voting them. He said on D1 he wants to be sure. I was looking for his level of certainty. Who else have I misrepped? Finally look at the wording of the last part.  I think it might just be intentional. Do you even believe what you are saying? It sounds so very weak. (in b4 you say it is sarcasm) 

 

This is taking forever. I might get to the next big post or I might do one other that I think has something interesting in it. More might not happen until much later.

 

Hallia, if you really believe in your case do you think that you could actually put it together into one or two posts that don't have a bunch of superfluous other things mixed in?

 

 

 

 

~~~1 - I never saw you say it was because you viewed it as buddying.  I didn't see it as such, but if you did, then I can see why it bothered you.

Response to :

1: Of course it was my opinion that the post doesn't read as a joke. I don't know what Z is thinking there.  Congratulations on your ability to read Zander's mind. I can barely read his posts half the time. (kidding Z, it is more like 10% failure to understand what you are saying) Also, I didn't try to link you too together. I suspected you both separately because you did something similar that I find to be questionable. I have caught mafia doing it too so w/e. 

It wasn't just me though, there were other people who read it as pretty obviously joking.  It felt like linking to me initially, but I didn't catch that you thought it was buddying.  I will rescind that.

 

2: But do you think that Sooh didn't believe what she was saying? That is the real question to determine if it really has anything to do with her alignment. I can say that reading the opening I can see how she could feel that she was right.

I am mixed on her.  I think she could be wolf, or town.  Leaning more towards wolf, but I would like to hear some content from her NOT based on this whole thing.  Maybe it'll help?

 

3. First question: post above or below or both? what in particular about the post(s) made you suspicious of me? Do you think buddying doesn't happen? Do you think that mafia wouldn't group together and just use force of personality to green read each other all the way through and drown out the town? 

Below.  Mainly the 4vs and the Sooh thing.

 

4. How did I misrep him? He said that he wasn't sure she was a wolf. He was voting her. I believe that in a recent game he came at me because I was questioning him because he was sussing someone but wasn't voting them. He said on D1 he wants to be sure. I was looking for his level of certainty. Who else have I misrepped? Finally look at the wording of the last part.  I think it might just be intentional. Do you even believe what you are saying? It sounds so very weak. (in b4 you say it is sarcasm) 

As I said, I think you misread what he was actually saying.  I do believe what I'm saying, and I think it.  No, it's not sarcasm.  I don't have facts yet, and so I'm going with my opinion.

 

 

Hallia, if you really believe in your case do you think that you could actually put it together into one or two posts that don't have a bunch of superfluous other things mixed in?  I think you did a pretty good job of doing it yourself, and I got to respond.  I feel a lot better about you after this.

 

 

Her "case" on me is a series of nudges with no real substance. Now she is just asking people what they think of me with her camped vote. 

 

Hallia, I ws the first person to make a complete read list with my thoughts on each player. So now who misrepped?

 

And I have to go to the store while the rain is stopped.

No, I think part of my case was based on something I didn't realize you were trying to say.

Can we get an update of said list?

 

[unvote]

 

[v] Dice [/v]

[Darthe]

You think Tina is a wolf? ISO says otherwise. Tell me why.

 

I am the towniest townie to ever town in this game. I've probably never been more townie in a game in my entire werewolf career.

 

I don't care what you think of it, I'm going to do what I'm doing because this is me.

Not yet, I just don't think she warrants the strength you've given her read.

 

And no, you had that one game, one of my first on VS I think, that you killed it and were obvious town and so was I and so was someone else who usually isnt and we got a wolf d1, viggd one n1, and lynched the last one d2 or something. Like, it was so consensus who the villa was that idk why wolves didnt concede.

 

 

Btw you have deff played a better town game before.

 

 

Why, do you know the player alignments or something?

I sense that I rustled your jimmies

[Darthe]

Plz remember this page for post game thank u

[Cory Caboose]

Tina is someone I typically read very, very well. I think she has very obvious ranges.

 

You can ask her how quickly I've been able to peg her alignment in games.

[Cory Caboose]

I sense that I rustled your jimmies

 

Consider the sheer effort and heart I've put into this game, if you're just trolling me for your own enjoyment I am less playfully amused and more annoyed outright.

 

I've slept about 10 hours total since this started and put off basically the rest of my life completely.

[Calder]

 

 

Sooh, I think if you are a villager the wolves have been going out of their way to defend you because I think your frustration is easier to see as villagery from a wolf POV where they know you are a villager.

 

Does that make sense?

 

This was basically my point in the original discussion with Sooh and Dice. It is the kind of thing that wolves leap to defend bc the person appears sooo obv innocent they fear staying silent or joining in the questioning.

 

Yeah I liked your initial post on dice a lot, especially if dice is a wolf.

Verbal did something very similar.

It is the weakest part of my scum game I think too. I find that I do it at least once a game and then realize what I have done only after I click post.