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Niniel Spam Master

Niniel

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With this back and forth between Verb and Lee who both read each other well is leading me to believe one of them is Scum.

 

Others wanna weigh in on this please?

 

What back and forth?  

 

 

 

Where AJ claimed to peek you Town but didnt believe it.

 

 

I wouldn't call that us having a back and forth on each other. You seem to be trying to paint more out of something small. I can understand why Verbal was unsure. 

 

 

Ineractions

 

Reads

 

Thoughts

 

Whatever words you wanna use.

 

I dont think the fact someone Town peeked you but still doesnt wanna clear you is a small thing.

 

He fence sitting on you and thats not a good look imo.  He mentioned GF possibilities for not buying the claim.

 

It makes me think he may know if there is one or not for certain.

 

AJ is scum.  Nolder is like very likely scum.  And with Verb not reading you Town is making me think one of you is Scum,  With my stance on AJ and his weird stance on you is making leans towards you.

 

 

Here he is pretty clear. But maybe they had decided for this fake claim in the mafia qt by this time?

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Niniel Spam Master

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@ Zander

 

If the lynch trains are between Nolder and Turin tomorrow, who will you vote?

 

Were lynching AJ tomorrow.

 

But Nolder > Turin to answer your question.

 

 

Again, during the night. He has decided to claim it seems. Problem is still if it´s a true claim or not.

BFG Spam Master

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Votecount

 

 

AJ (1/5): Zander

 

Zander (1/5): AJ

 

Nolder (1/5): Leelou

 

 

Not Voting (5): Hallia, Nolder, Tina, Turin, Verb

 

 

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Niniel Spam Master

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Sorry for the multi-posting. It´s really hard to know who is right. I will take a look at the posts I just posted and make a summary. But first some newer posts.

 

He's lying Hallia. I'm assuming those posts are supposed to be breadcrumbs but there's nothing clear in them.

He didn't track me to Yates N1, I peeked Leelou N1.

Last Night I used my 1x protect on Hallia. It was a coin toss between Lenlo and her. I figured Lenlo would be shooting me so scum would let him and they'd gun for Hallia since she's one of the consensus townies.

 

It´s weird to choose Hallia over Lenlo. Like really weird. Of course mafia wants to get rid of him. And why Hallia if not Lenlo? I think I have been equally town read by like everyone.

 

[v] AJ [/v]
If I'm wrong, Zander has deceived me well. I caught him his one scum game. This isn't it

 

Hallia - do you know Zander well? This is very interesting. I definitely want your oppinion on Zander.

 

AJ, why protect Hallia over Lenlo? 

 

Good question.

 

I'm not sure how I feel about this.

Both of my two suspects are fighting about who's scum.

 

What I really want to know is who they think each other's team is.

I think AJ thinks I'm on a team with Zander so there's that but has Zander said who AJ is supposed to be on a team with?

I'm only seeing a connection to each of them.

Still think they're together and playing both sides of the game so it doesn't matter overmuch to me which is lynched but I don't want to get it wrong through negligence either.

 

Leelou do you think I'm scummiest between AJ, Zander, and me? Or are you still just trying to get me to participate more?

 

Do you even read the thread? It has been clear for ages that Zander thinks you are mafia with AJ.

Niniel Spam Master

Niniel

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So right now it´s purely Zander vs. AJ. One of them is mafia.

 

AJ:

 

+ Well the only + I have is if I´m wrong and Zander is lying. Nothing AJ has done himself is really a +.

 

- I have suspected him the whole game and think I have had good reasons for it.

- I don´t like today´s claim. He is going for some wifom reason but wouldn´t it be so much better to doc Lenlo?

- If Zander´s claim is true.

 

 

Zander - the question is of course if he is telling the truth or not.

 

+ Voted AJ the whole day yesterday.

+ It would have been a natural pick to track AJ after their back and forth on D1, when he was unsure of AJ.

+ It´s not weird that he chose Leelou to track on N2. He was clearly wondering about her connection with AJ. The only thing I could question is why he didn´t pick Nolder.

+ Post where it´s hinted that he is very sure that AJ is mafia.

 #801 Votes AJ early D2 but (see below)

 #806

 #808

 #995 Possible answer to why he isn´t claiming

 #1021 Possible answr to why he isn´t claiming

 #1108 (and other posts) He is clear on why he is voting AJ and not Nolder - AJ is more suspect (but this could also just mean that Nolder is his mafia budy)

 #1319 ( and other posts during the night) - " lynch if AJ if I´m dead" - he has decided to reveal on d3. Leave clear hints if he dies. But this could be a plan made up in the mafia qt as well.

 

 

 

- Posts where his claim is questionable.

 # 801 Votes AJ but says he could vote Nolder as well

 #1017 Doesn´t come forward when AJ claims

 #1033 Will own up if he is wrong

 #1088 Says that he doesn´t know about AJ´s AtE but doesn´t like it

 #1090 Says to Verb that he would pick Nolder if he is wrong (which he wouldn´t be with a result) but at the same time he say he would question Verb so it´s maybe null.

 

 

 

 

Summary:

 

There are a few posts that speaks against Zander tracking AJ during N1 but as a whole he has been consistent and there are posts that speaks for him. That coupled with my earlier suspiciouns of AJ makes me want to believe Zander.

 

But I really need to hear what others have to say because I´m not SURE.

 

Turin is obviously on Zander´s side. Nolder seems lost and not interested in figuring it out. Hallia picked Zander´s side but wanted more time. Leelou wants to go for Nolder. Am I right?

Niniel Spam Master

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Spectators - you might laugh at me if I´m wrong but please notice the amount of work I have put into this game. :D

Leelou Spam Master

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Nolder, are you even reading? 

Nolder, do you still have your vest? 

Lenlo said he was either going to target AJ or Nolder. Lenlo ended up getting shot. AJ isn't dead, nor is Nolder. 

AJ is claiming to have protected Hallia and Zander tracked me. 

Leelou Spam Master

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I´m not Nolder but he answered this already.

 

I don't have my vest anymore.

 

 

Thanks, didn't see it. 

 

Okay, so we can assume that Lenlo targeted Nolder then. 

Leelou Spam Master

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So right now it´s purely Zander vs. AJ. One of them is mafia.

 

AJ:

 

+ Well the only + I have is if I´m wrong and Zander is lying. Nothing AJ has done himself is really a +.

 

- I have suspected him the whole game and think I have had good reasons for it.

- I don´t like today´s claim. He is going for some wifom reason but wouldn´t it be so much better to doc Lenlo?

- If Zander´s claim is true.

 

For AJ, I don't really see where he is coming from with either of his NA's. 

Leelou Spam Master

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Zander - the question is of course if he is telling the truth or not.

 

+ Voted AJ the whole day yesterday.

+ It would have been a natural pick to track AJ after their back and forth on D1, when he was unsure of AJ.

+ It´s not weird that he chose Leelou to track on N2. He was clearly wondering about her connection with AJ. The only thing I could question is why he didn´t pick Nolder.

+ Post where it´s hinted that he is very sure that AJ is mafia.

 #801 Votes AJ early D2 but (see below)

 #806

 #808

 #995 Possible answer to why he isn´t claiming

 #1021 Possible answr to why he isn´t claiming

 #1108 (and other posts) He is clear on why he is voting AJ and not Nolder - AJ is more suspect (but this could also just mean that Nolder is his mafia budy)

 #1319 ( and other posts during the night) - " lynch if AJ if I´m dead" - he has decided to reveal on d3. Leave clear hints if he dies. But this could be a plan made up in the mafia qt as well.

 

 

 

- Posts where his claim is questionable.

 # 801 Votes AJ but says he could vote Nolder as well

 #1017 Doesn´t come forward when AJ claims

 #1033 Will own up if he is wrong

 #1088 Says that he doesn´t know about AJ´s AtE but doesn´t like it

 #1090 Says to Verb that he would pick Nolder if he is wrong (which he wouldn´t be with a result) but at the same time he say he would question Verb so it´s maybe null.

 

My main reasons for doubting Zander is that he didn't really seem to be questioning AJ as someone who tracked him to someone other than me N1 and him not making more of a push to convince others to vote AJ while we were on nearing deadline. 

Leelou Spam Master

Leelou

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Summary:

 

There are a few posts that speaks against Zander tracking AJ during N1 but as a whole he has been consistent and there are posts that speaks for him. That coupled with my earlier suspiciouns of AJ makes me want to believe Zander.

 

But I really need to hear what others have to say because I´m not SURE.

 

Turin is obviously on Zander´s side. Nolder seems lost and not interested in figuring it out. Hallia picked Zander´s side but wanted more time. Leelou wants to go for Nolder. Am I right?

 

I'm still not sure between AJ and Zander. Tina, what are your thoughts on Turin? I'm starting to scum lean on him. I really can't wait to hear from Verbal. I'd like Nolder to actually get involved. 

Nolder Spam Master

Nolder

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Nah, I don't think I will.

 

Every time I even try everyone just tells me I'm not paying attention and ignore everything else I say.

 

Screw it.

Leelou Spam Master

Leelou

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Nah, I don't think I will.

 

Every time I even try everyone just tells me I'm not paying attention and ignore everything else I say.

 

Screw it.

 

So, why should I unvote you at this point? Who is scum? If you think both AJ and Zander, who is their teammate? What do you think about the claimed NAs? 

Niniel Spam Master

Niniel

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Summary:

 

There are a few posts that speaks against Zander tracking AJ during N1 but as a whole he has been consistent and there are posts that speaks for him. That coupled with my earlier suspiciouns of AJ makes me want to believe Zander.

 

But I really need to hear what others have to say because I´m not SURE.

 

Turin is obviously on Zander´s side. Nolder seems lost and not interested in figuring it out. Hallia picked Zander´s side but wanted more time. Leelou wants to go for Nolder. Am I right?

 

I'm still not sure between AJ and Zander. Tina, what are your thoughts on Turin? I'm starting to scum lean on him. I really can't wait to hear from Verbal. I'd like Nolder to actually get involved. 

 

 

I haven´t re-read his posts. His voting pattern isn´t good. If Zander is mafia then Turin could be his mafia buddy. But I liked how he tried to understand my post on D1 and he is defending Zander, which is good if Zander is town.

 

I think we need to vote AJ or Zander today. One of them is lying.

 

Nah, I don't think I will.

 

Every time I even try everyone just tells me I'm not paying attention and ignore everything else I say.

 

Screw it.

 

?

Nolder Spam Master

Nolder

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Nah, I don't think I will.

 

Every time I even try everyone just tells me I'm not paying attention and ignore everything else I say.

 

Screw it.

 

So, why should I unvote you at this point? Who is scum? If you think both AJ and Zander, who is their teammate? What do you think about the claimed NAs? 

 

Don't really care much at this point to be honest but I'm guessing you'll want to influence the decision between Zander and AJ so you'll unvote me eventually, it's just a matter of time.

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I need to catch up, but we are NOT lynching AJ yet.

 

 

I repeat, NOT TODAY.  You will have to go through me to lynch AJ.

 

 

More to come once I've caught up.  I have a meeting in 30 minutes and will be back an hour or so after that and ready to rock.

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I am pretty sure one of AJ/Zander is scum, but we are not lynching EITHER of them today.  We have to lynch mafia today and we can't afford to be wrong about one of them.

 

We are lynching Nolder today.  THEN we can figure out who to lynch tomorrow.

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Verbal32 Spam Master

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I have not read the past 7-8 pages, so I don't know what discussion has occurred.....I just saw Zander's reveal, though.  Not sure I buy it, but that is not the discussion for today.

Nolder Spam Master

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A 50/50 (spoiler it's actually 100%) chance at mafia without even taking into account gameplay and Verbal wants to gamble it all on lynching me?

 

I think I found the third mafia.

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Turin to Zander's rescue, a shocker.

 

What's funny is that although that's a fine catch to save your partner, ZANDER HIMSELF DIDNT EVEN REFERENCE IT WHEN HE CLAIMED. You would think if that was his intent with that question that would've been stuffed down my throat immediately. But no, instead it was pics and gifs softing his character instead - which proves nothing. What, did he "forget"? Lol. You neglected to add in that shortly after was when he tried to throw Yates agreeing with his reads in my face. THAT was the real intent of the question and was super slimey. But I'm not at all surprised you neglected to add that in there. Your case isn't at all objective, it's a one way ticket to save Zander and discredit me as possible. Don't think I didn't notice that you've got Tina in your pocket.

 

And yes, you're 100% supporting Zander right now and doing your best to smear me. Just look at the difference in phrasing.

 

[Zander's NA explanation] "Oh, that's reasonable. Well done." etc

 

[AJ's NA explanation] "I just can't understand. Can't be from a Town POV" etc

 

Along with other usage of buzz words like White Knighting.

 

Plain as day smear campaign, dude. Again I applaud your efforts but nope. Just nope.

Now who is spinning? You can say I'm his partner (I'm not) and try to use that to dismiss the fact that he did ask you a pointed question early in the day that makes sense if he had a track on you to the person that died. You are attacking at the edges of the argument  and trying to deflect from the facts. 

 

So what if it wasn't in the list. There are things I ask and say that I don't remember because I don't make notes anymore. It is too much work. You can say what you think his intent was. It is speculation on your part. Maybe he did. I dunno. You gonna tell me with a straight face that you never put a piece of crap into a case to try to build it up when you were certain someone was mafia? I know I used to because I was  trying to get people to follow me in my case. Sometimes it hurt my overall case sometimes it worked. 

 

As to Tina, What are you on about? What does Tina town reading me have to do with whether I believe you or Zander more?

 

His actions in correspondence to his words match up better than yours do. It is as simple as that. I can find things that make sense in his actions. I am not finding those in your actions. In particular the ways you have used your abilities and the reason you basically sat by and let Dice get lynched D1. 

 

 

Your actions since this day started also smack of desperation. You said that you were going to sleep at a reasonable hour. then proceeded to pop back in again and again all night for you. You just had to have the last word in every situation. To me that implies looking to spin. I don't think anyone is putting another vote on anyone until EVERYONE has been in to weigh in on this. 

Leelou Spam Master

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I have not read the past 7-8 pages, so I don't know what discussion has occurred.....I just saw Zander's reveal, though.  Not sure I buy it, but that is not the discussion for today.

 

I think you need to read it. 

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