[Standard] Chrono Trigger Mafia - Town wins Day 5!

[Andrej]

Well don't be shocked if Turin turns out to be Mafia, Tina.

 

But I get it.

[Zander?]

[v]Zander[/v]

 

lolololololol

 

Will be doing a re-read on Zander/AJ

 

lmk what you come back with.

 

 

I also dislike that you tried using Yates to vet your reads after he got killed. You should know that not every townie is going to be exactly correct, and just because he liked your reads and called you a townie doesn't make you one.

 

I didnt use it to try and clear myself AJ so dont make up crap.  You were talking about my pushes/reads and it being a weak spot for Scum!Zander.  I simply showed you that both a confirmed Townie and a very solid player was seeing the same things I did irt to my reads.  I know I can be wrong and so can Yates, but knowing that I am Town and so was he, that I doubt were all that off on it man.

 

 

He didn't.  He said "vet your reads", which you did try to do with that reference to a dead Yates.

 

 

Thats right my bad I read it wrong.

[Andrej]

Yes, I felt good viewing Leelou because I was confident it would return guilty. I've been bad this game but I don't think I've been THAT bad. There are several roles in the OP that would screw with a cop view. I can't ignore those possibilities along with my instinct regardless of the result.

 

And even if an inno view on her she still needs to come in here and prove it.

[Zander?]

The way AJ is second guessing himself in the thread and appearing to constantly reevaluate his reads would usually give me town vibes from somebody (and it sorta does here, too), but I know he can be a baller scum player, so I'm really not sure what to do with him.

 

So what is your current read on him Verb?

 

 

 

The way AJ is second guessing himself in the thread and appearing to constantly reevaluate his reads would usually give me town vibes from somebody (and it sorta does here, too), but I know he can be a baller scum player, so I'm really not sure what to do with him.

Just lynch me and be smart D3 cause it'll probably be MyLo. I've burned my town equity atp

 

 

 

Zander is gonna pile on now. Lenlo probably won't unvote. Turin might join as well.

 

I don't think we can swing a lynch elsewhere.

 

Sorry I sucked.

 

Dont like these AtE type posts, theres been more of them then this.  Im not a fan.

 

 

 

 

 

Thats the thing does anyone here see Town!AJ not doing these type of things?  When AJ is Town hes a freaking Boss, and thats not happening here at all.

 

You're speaking in absolutes here, as if AJ can't be town and have an okay game - it needs to either be AJ is amazing town or.....scum.  That's not how it works, and you know that.

 

 

I do Verb.  Im a Meta gut read type player.  Ive outed AJ as scum before in NBC, I was town reading him but noted he was off for the same things.  He lead a mislynch on a Townie over someone I was certain was Scum (fyi- She was as well) and called it out.  So Ill trust myself her as Im seeing the same.

 

Right. Plus as I'll be proven, I rolled a PR so I wasn't trying to put myself out there so much. Yates picked up on this and was correct when he said "he'll flip cop and I'll cry"

 

I knew exactly what Yates was thinking and he was correct.

 

Yates also said someone else was the Cop as well ....pretty sure it may have been me.  So what are you getting at?

 

 

I just can't see AJ as town and I will ignore his claim.

This is not like you as a townie, btw.

 

 

How so?

 

I don't think it's Zander.

 

Me neither.

[Andrej]

My volume is way higher than it was in that game. You're gonna need more than meta and gut to save your ass tomorrow bro, just saying.

 

Town!Zander would know this is town!AJ, regardless of how I've screwed up. You can't hide behind "you're a good player" so idk any more. Your failure to reevaluate is gonna look real bad on you after I flip. But glgl since you're probably just a wolf anyway.

[Zander?]

I will be sincerely blown away if Tina is a wolf this game. I'm not trying to say she isn't capable of this kind of play but I would be really surprised based on what I've seen wolf!Tina look like.

 

Lenlo's cockiness would make sense if he knew he was sitting on a PR. Still think he's kind of a lame duck though - so much time was wasted arguing with Hallia over stupid stuff.

 

Dude stop calling it stupid stuff.  Just because you dont agree or like it or think its smart doesnt make it stupid.

 

Zander, you can stfu already bro.

 

If you're a villager you shouldn't be anymore proud atp. If you're a wolf then congrats, you got your ML and on PR nonetheless. You can continuing arguing mundane points but it's only going to come back to bite you later.

 

JFC man youre starting to make me mad.  You posted oh im surprised/worried? or something to that effect that I wasnt here posting and now youre tellimg me to STFU.

 

Im pointing out what I see and dont really give a crap what you think of it tbqh.

 

Im not being proud of anything.  Im playing the game to the best of my abilities and Ill own up to it and accept the consequences if Im wrong.  But crap like this wont dissuade me at all.   Its only continuing to make me think Im right on you.

[Andrej]

You should also light a fire under Nolder because he's seriously under the radar right now. Kind of brings more light to the situation with how Zander has been trying to tie me to him since D1. Don't forget this detail.

 

Turin I can't really tell.

 

If Thane is a wolf then I'm probably gonna yell at him post game for being a lurk sack.

[Zander?]

 

Why did you claim here man? Theres only what 2 votes on you? But what bothers me more is that you claimed you got a Town read but you think she may be the GF and that leads me to believe you obv "think" theres a GF in the game. It also leads me to believe you know this person is Town regardless and leaves you an out if you get her lynched....

You really went in on this one man lolololol

 

Any reason not to believe me, eh?

 

 

Yes...i think youre scum.  Also the fact that you claimed to peek Leelou Town and that shes still a scum read because there may be a GF.  To me that reads like youve left yourself a perfect out if she flips Town,  Couple that with some of the soft stances on others stemming from your reads list which I already pointed out.

 

 

My volume is way higher than it was in that game. You're gonna need more than meta and gut to save your ass tomorrow bro, just saying.

 

Town!Zander would know this is town!AJ, regardless of how I've screwed up. You can't hide behind "you're a good player" so idk any more. Your failure to reevaluate is gonna look real bad on you after I flip. But glgl since you're probably just a wolf anyway.

 

Somehow I dont believe volume is a tell for you as either alignment AJ.  Am I wrong on this?

 

Hey Verb remember that time when you said I was speaking in absolutes?

 

AJ answer me this.  Am I a Meta/Gut Read player?

 

And if answer yes to it answer this, if someone isnt playing to their Meta would I find that scummy?

 

Anyone who has played with me should know the answer to that

 

Im not saying people cant have a bad or off game man, Ive had my fair share.  it's what youre saying and doing and the fact that I feel youre doing some of the same things yourself that youre calling me scummy for.

 

And failure to re evaluate...what have you done to make me consider doing so man?  The claim was the only possible thing, but I think youre scum, i think you claimed too early with no real reason to do atp imo and the whole peek Leelou Town but I think theres a GF so I'll disregard that does NOTHING to make me believe your claim.

[Andrej]

Alright, well idgaf anymore.

 

Zander if you're scum then you win. If you're town then I'm sorry and I'm disappointed in both of us.

 

Sorry I blew it, townies.

[Niniel]

Verb, can you answer my question in # 996, please.

[Verbal32]

@ Zander

 

re: Tina - this isn't like her to essentially ignore a claim and go for a lynch anyway

 

re: AJ - I said I don't know what to do with him because of all this AtE he's tossing out.  Like, every other post, lol.  I had him as a scum read, but then he's said stuff I like, but I'm still cautious.  And I'm not certain what this level of AtE means for him.  I don't think I recall him doing this in past games with him.

[Verbal32]

Verb, can you answer my question in # 996, please.

 

I'll go look now, my bad.

[Niniel]

Hally, what are your current thoughts?

[Verbal32]

 

 

Welp.  I'm pretty much vanilla now.

I wanna give spot reads -Yates - town

 

I feel so much better   I love to be informed.

 

 

I was informed townie, I knew Yates was town.  Useless now v.v

 

 

I want to believe this right now.

 

 

 

 

Verbal - seems to comment a little here and there. What he made clear:

AJ scummy for not handling Nolder good.

Hallia's read is inconsistent (agreed with Lenlo).

Yates scummy for being a mediator, asking questions without purpose and either clearing or buddying Zander by agreeing with his post.

Don't like Hallia calling him deep wolf.

Questions for Verbal:

In your list you had AJ third from the bottom. Why did you not vote Yates or Hally that was below him?

You said to Hallia that if Yates turned out town it would make you feel better about AJ and Hallia and worse about Dice and Leelou. What were your reasons for this? Do you still think that is right?

I'll continue with the rest later.

 

Tina absolutely town for this post.  I'll answer:

 

I had a vote on a suspect, so I didn't see the need to move it at that point.  Yates was placed below him as a show of respect - I was more afraid of him being scum and mediating the thread than anybody else.  I know that Yates can mediate as both town and mafia, but I didn't like how he'd done it multiple times in this game already.  It immediately raised my hackles.  As for moving people up/down - it was a gut feeling for moving people up, and total POE for moving people down.  I fired that from the hip, though - I admit.

 

 

 

As I've explained regarding him all along; his gameplay.  His arguments have made sense, I feel that he's been trying to explain himself as best as is possible.  I unvoted Len at the moment, because I'm considering what I want to do.

 

There's not a ton from Verb, but I do think he's suspect after the way he went for Yates initially.  I also would like more from Thane.  I find him suspect, because he pops in and says how he has lots of nulls, twice, and well, I find that suspect.

 

Sussing somebody because they do something I've seen done more often as scum should not be suspect.  I don't have any information on other players - I see something I associate with scum, and I called it out.  Simple as that.

 

 

 

So you mostly made it up? I couldn't see the connection between your moving people anywhere because of Knowing Yates alignment at that time. (And not now either.)

 

 

Tina

 

Hallia

Turin

Zander

 

Nolder

Lenlo

AJ

Thane

Leelou

  

^ noticeable change is Hallia and Leelou

 

I know Leelou hasn't been involved much, but I am seeing nothing of town Leelou like I know, and a little of the scum Leelou (tunneling on useless stuff).

 

 

This read is interesting. You are usually good at reading Leelou.

 

I did not make it up.  I said the ups were gut, and the downs were POE.

[Verbal32]

^ I did say they were from the hip, which meant I didn't do any detailed analysis to arrive at the ups or downs - just gut and then POE to fill in the blanks.

[Thane Vakarian]

I read Thane's posts first since there aren't many. Questions for Thane:

 

1. When you voted me it was because I interacted with others instead of Nolder (?) and that you wanted me to post more. When I got back you unvoted me because, well, because I came back and posted. But was I still a suspect because of the Nolder thing? What do you think about me now?

 

2. In # 243 you listed Turin as town. In # 572 you said Verb is town. In # 705 you say that you want to take a look at Verb, Hally and Turin. But in # 742 you again have Turin and Verbal as town. Can you explain this?

1. lemme catch up and get back to you (which will be madness, seeing DL is soon)

2. Townleans can still be investigated, just to be sure. 

[Niniel]

@ Zander

 

re: Tina - this isn't like her to essentially ignore a claim and go for a lynch anyway

 

re: AJ - I said I don't know what to do with him because of all this AtE he's tossing out.  Like, every other post, lol.  I had him as a scum read, but then he's said stuff I like, but I'm still cautious.  And I'm not certain what this level of AtE means for him.  I don't think I recall him doing this in past games with him.

No, it's not like me at all. Trying to trust my own reads. Did I move that easily from top town to Mafia?

[Niniel]

@ Verb - I just didn't understand the connection between those players and Yates.

[Niniel]

Thane is back!

[Thane Vakarian]

i thought that DL would be prolonged due to weekend, guess i missed that. My bad, sorry

[BFG]

Votecount

 

AJ (3/6): Zander, Lenlo, Tina

 

Zander (1/6): AJ

 

 

Not Voting (6): Hallia, Leelou, Nolder, Thane, Turin, Verb

 

Deadline has changed

 

[Verbal32]

 

@ Zander

 

re: Tina - this isn't like her to essentially ignore a claim and go for a lynch anyway

 

re: AJ - I said I don't know what to do with him because of all this AtE he's tossing out.  Like, every other post, lol.  I had him as a scum read, but then he's said stuff I like, but I'm still cautious.  And I'm not certain what this level of AtE means for him.  I don't think I recall him doing this in past games with him.

No, it's not like me at all. Trying to trust my own reads. Did I move that easily from top town to Mafia?

 

 

For me?  I have not moved you anywhere at this point.

[Thane Vakarian]

ah, it changed....  guess i saw the old DL when catching up

 

Ok, to work, at work right now

[Verbal32]

@ Verb - I just didn't understand the connection between those players and Yates.

 

Hallia asked me, and I responded.  If she's telling the truth, it makes sense for her to ask re: Yates as her informed townie.  She was essentially asking me how my list would be affected by a Yates town flip.  I actually think that was a very good question based on her claimed role, and something that stood out in making me want to believe her (which I actually said as well).

[Niniel]

Oh, I thought these post meant that.

 

 

I just can't see AJ as town and I will ignore his claim.

 

This is not like you as a townie, btw.

  

Am I misclearing?

 

Can it just be Zander/Tina/Thane?