[Standard] Chrono Trigger Mafia - Town wins Day 5!

[Niniel]

I read Thane's posts first since there aren't many. Questions for Thane:

 

1. When you voted me it was because I interacted with others instead of Nolder (?) and that you wanted me to post more. When I got back you unvoted me because, well, because I came back and posted. But was I still a suspect because of the Nolder thing? What do you think about me now?

 

2. In # 243 you listed Turin as town. In # 572 you said Verb is town. In # 705 you say that you want to take a look at Verb, Hally and Turin. But in # 742 you again have Turin and Verbal as town. Can you explain this?

[Niniel]

Questions for others:

 

I don' have a good memory and I haven't played much lately so meta is hard for me. In my mind I see spammy Thane as mafiaThane. What I see here is insecure Thane. I know he doesn't like D1. Have he acted like this as Mafia before?

[Niniel]

Verbal - seems to comment a little here and there. What he made clear:

 

AJ scummy for not handling Nolder good.

Hallia's read is inconsistent (agreed with Lenlo).

Yates scummy for being a mediator, asking questions without purpose and either clearing or buddying Zander by agreeing with his post.

Don't like Hallia calling him deep wolf.

 

Questions for Verbal:

 

In your list you had AJ third from the bottom. Why did you not vote Yates or Hally that was below him?

 

You said to Hallia that if Yates turned out town it would make you feel better about AJ and Hallia and worse about Dice and Leelou. What were your reasons for this? Do you still think that is right?

 

 

 

I'll continue with the rest later.

[Niniel]

I have spent hours on my re-read but still have three pages left. Can't continue now because my daughter comes soon. I will try to read the last pages later. Thoughts/questions on Len, Zander and AJ then.

[Hallia]

On mobile, but I like Tinas lvl of involvement. Do you see why I was leery of Verb's little push on Yates?

[Andrej]

It's my son's birthday today so I won't be around at all during the day.

 

We're going to Legoland

[Hallia]

Jealous!

[Lenlo]

It's my son's birthday today so I won't be around at all during the day.

 

We're going to Legoland

Oooooo fun.

 

I agree, I like Tina's getting into it.

 

For Hallia, once I got past my annoyance at the conversation itself and my own bias for just wanting to be right, I thought it came out towny for her. She had no reason to keep up at it with me as wolf and could easily have just said something like "Sorry" or "Ill fix it" or "Sure", just like something to shut me up and move past it. But instead she stood by it when I dont think there was a whole lot of tangible benefit for her to do so. People who were town reading her before that were going to keep doing so, because they werent townreading her for the logic. People that werent townreading her before most likely were only gonna wolf read her more if she misstepped. Lots of danger for no reward.

 

That said, her claim is not clearing. It is not 100%. I will believe it for now, but I reserve the right to change my mind on that later without people whining at me.

 

The issue for today in my mind is you (AJ) vs Zander. That has to be resolved today imo.

[Hallia]

I maintain that I don't think either one is.  Len, w hat are your thoughts on Verb?

 

Unvote

[Zander?]

Lenlo - what is your read on Hallia then? Did any of that conversation give you a better one?

 

Zander - so when you have two people you are suspicious of going at each other, your first thought is that they are bussing? I'm not sure I buy that, especially to make that kind of call early on. I also maintain that your read is outdated. He has posted more since you gave that read so you should have something to help you continue evaluating, that fact that you won't or seem to not be able to is a bad sign imo and solidifies my POV that your scum reads weren't genuine in the first place. I never called you scum for not answering my questions, that's your shtick you are trying to call me a hypocrite for. The fact that you aren't though, just proves what I was saying in the first place. Your scum reads were made up and you show a glaring lack of progression on them.

 

 

Did I say it was my first thought AJ?  I have sussed you separately for different reasons.  But the funny thing is that after I brought it up it stopped...

 

You keep saying its outdated.  He hasnt done anything to really sway me yet,  And who else has updated their reads since D1...NO BODY.  Your suspects are the same from your D1 reads lists AJ, so why do you say im scummy for the same things YOU HAVENT DONE.  IM not done evaluating.  IM waiting for everyone to check in and have more to go from FFS,  I called you a hypocrite cause the same crap youre calling me scummy for YOURE DOING YOURSELF.

 

Ive answered your questions.  And you say I havent...that sounds like a YOU problem not a me one.

[Niniel]

This will have to be a quick post. I will not do a read list before I get some answers on my questions.

 

AJ - he never really went after anyone. He kept his vote on Verb and then unvoted. He never voted anyone until he voted Dice, who he didn't believe was mafia. I understand picking the biggest wagon that's not you own but he didn't even tried to get another wagon going. As zander pointed out, his read list is very vague. He had me as a reserve yesterday (see my old post) but now I'm very townie. I get that you will change your mind during a game but it was after others started to town read me and it feels like he wants me on his side now. I have tried to not read his posts thinking he is Mafia and he has some good points. Like pointing out Things about Zander that is relevant (like weak case on Nolder and relevance of bringing up Yates posts) but I don't think it's enough to change my mind about him.

 

Lenlo - his reason for voting Dice is weak now that I look back at it. Dice was "off", too neutral. He didn't even seem to be very convinced. In # 238 he said he could be wrong and in # 421 it seems like one of his reasons was just to pressure him. I would probably have reacted on Hallia's posts if I were in Lenlo's place but his biggest focus so far has been to be proven right by someone.

 

Today he seem to go after Zander(?). I don't quite understand # 816. What of AJ's arguments are stupid and how so? Can you give very clear examples on where Zander isn't reacting well, nitpicking, don't updates lists or refuse to answer. You, AJ and Zander are so vague sometimes that I have idea what you are talking about. ( or maybe it's just me being thick)

 

Zander - what is the big reason for voting AJ today and not yesterday?

 

People, please let me know what you think about Zander. It's like riding a rollercoster reading his posts. I like his questions but his handling of AJ yesterday was weird. I read a great post and then I think his vote on Dice was bad etc.

 

 

Okay, that wasn't a quick post. Will try to get on before I go to work tomorrow. Will vote and give a list. Hope to get some answers before then. ( Really want some reads from Nolder and Thane among others.)

[Zander?]

I read Thane's posts first since there aren't many. Questions for Thane:

 

1. When you voted me it was because I interacted with others instead of Nolder (?) and that you wanted me to post more. When I got back you unvoted me because, well, because I came back and posted. But was I still a suspect because of the Nolder thing? What do you think about me now?

 

2. In # 243 you listed Turin as town. In # 572 you said Verb is town. In # 705 you say that you want to take a look at Verb, Hally and Turin. But in # 742 you again have Turin and Verbal as town. Can you explain this?

 

 

Thane gets easier to read as the game goes on.  Thane kinda does his own thing.  Ill let him answer your questions himself.  Just something to keep in mind.

[Niniel]

*sigh* Stupid phone.

 

It should be "I have no idea".

[Zander?]

Will spend some time at this game. It will take time since it's over 40 pages.

 

Thoughts before I start.

 

Yates - I don't think I will try to find out why he was killed. There can be a lot of reasons and it will only be guesses anyway.

 

People that I won't look into much is Hally, Turin and Leelou. Hally is clearly town. I always starts to doubt my reads but I will stick with Turin being town right now. He did an effort to understand me that wasn't needed if he didn't really try to solve the game. Leelou hasn't got enough posts yet. I can't judge her one way or another yet.

 

Initial feeling is that Zander - AJ is both mafia. Their back and forth looks forced. I will however try not to think about that when I re-read since I can't really know if that is true.

 

Can you elaborate on the bold please?

[Niniel]

 

I read Thane's posts first since there aren't many. Questions for Thane:

1. When you voted me it was because I interacted with others instead of Nolder (?) and that you wanted me to post more. When I got back you unvoted me because, well, because I came back and posted. But was I still a suspect because of the Nolder thing? What do you think about me now?

2. In # 243 you listed Turin as town. In # 572 you said Verb is town. In # 705 you say that you want to take a look at Verb, Hally and Turin. But in # 742 you again have Turin and Verbal as town. Can you explain this?

 

 

 

Thane gets easier to read as the game goes on.  Thane kinda does his own thing.  Ill let him answer your questions himself.  Just something to keep in mind.

Yes, I know.

[Zander?]

Verbal - seems to comment a little here and there. What he made clear:

 

AJ scummy for not handling Nolder good.

Hallia's read is inconsistent (agreed with Lenlo).

Yates scummy for being a mediator, asking questions without purpose and either clearing or buddying Zander by agreeing with his post.

Don't like Hallia calling him deep wolf.

 

Questions for Verbal:

 

In your list you had AJ third from the bottom. Why did you not vote Yates or Hally that was below him?

 

You said to Hallia that if Yates turned out town it would make you feel better about AJ and Hallia and worse about Dice and Leelou. What were your reasons for this? Do you still think that is right?

 

 

 

I'll continue with the rest later.

 

 

Youre starting to dig in deeper and ask good questions.  Prolly a good sign imo.

[Niniel]

 

Will spend some time at this game. It will take time since it's over 40 pages.

Thoughts before I start.

Yates - I don't think I will try to find out why he was killed. There can be a lot of reasons and it will only be guesses anyway.

People that I won't look into much is Hally, Turin and Leelou. Hally is clearly town. I always starts to doubt my reads but I will stick with Turin being town right now. He did an effort to understand me that wasn't needed if he didn't really try to solve the game. Leelou hasn't got enough posts yet. I can't judge her one way or another yet.

Initial feeling is that Zander - AJ is both mafia. Their back and forth looks forced. I will however try not to think about that when I re-read since I can't really know if that is true.

 

 

Can you elaborate on the bold please?

Need to go but I'm not sure that I feel this way anymore.

[Niniel]

Will answer your questions tomorrow. Daughter waiting for me.

[Zander?]

On mobile, but I like Tinas lvl of involvement. Do you see why I was leery of Verb's little push on Yates?

 

I do as well. 

 

Didnt they both have each other as deep wolves candidates?  I may be wrong but im pretty sure at least one of them did.

 

Something to keep in mind anyways I guess,

 

 

It's my son's birthday today so I won't be around at all during the day.

 

We're going to Legoland

 

Enjoy.  We need to talk when you get back tho.

 

 

 

It's my son's birthday today so I won't be around at all during the day.

 

We're going to Legoland

Oooooo fun.

 

I agree, I like Tina's getting into it.

 

For Hallia, once I got past my annoyance at the conversation itself and my own bias for just wanting to be right, I thought it came out towny for her. She had no reason to keep up at it with me as wolf and could easily have just said something like "Sorry" or "Ill fix it" or "Sure", just like something to shut me up and move past it. But instead she stood by it when I dont think there was a whole lot of tangible benefit for her to do so. People who were town reading her before that were going to keep doing so, because they werent townreading her for the logic. People that werent townreading her before most likely were only gonna wolf read her more if she misstepped. Lots of danger for no reward.

 

That said, her claim is not clearing. It is not 100%. I will believe it for now, but I reserve the right to change my mind on that later without people whining at me.

 

The issue for today in my mind is you (AJ) vs Zander. That has to be resolved today imo.

 

 

What are your thoughts its to us Len?

[Zander?]

 

Zander - what is the big reason for voting AJ today and not yesterday?

 

 

 

AJ was a suss yesterday but I had others Ive felt were scummier.  AJ comes back today and make a weak BS case on me.  Hes stretching on things and calling me scummy for things hes doing himself.

 

Thats telling imo,

 

Like he said he liked how I handled Len/Hally but I was scummy for not calling Lenlo scummy for his back and forth when AJ HIMSELF didnt do it.

 

He said IM refusing to update my reads well I did I find him scummier now.  Theres people that havent posted reads lists yet and havent even checked in this Day phase ffs.  This is also something he hasnt dont as well.

 

He said IM not answering his questions (I have) but theres been some questions from D1 and today so far he either didnt answer. shrugged off or just said were something like weak or w/e.

 

Too many inconsistencies, hypocrisy, contradictions and reaching that Id never expect to see from Town!AJ.

[Zander?]

Id like to see more from the rest of the players I know some are away and such.  But Id like others to weigh in when they get the chance please.

[Clovdyx]

Votecount

Zander (1/6): Andrej

AJ (1/6): Zander


Not Voting (7): Leelou, Lenlo, Nolder, Thane, Tina, Turin, Verb

 

[Zander?]

AJ can you expand on your Leelou read? 

 

As well as what made you change your view from Tina early on who you said was a train you could get behind as well as your switch on Nolder who you said used faked Confusion/Derp as Scum?

[Zander?]

Can someone tell me if theyre also having trouble pulling quotes please?

[Zander?]

Hallia you unvote Lenlo iirc and if you think me and AJ are both Town who are your suspects and why?

 

Can you explain to me why you think AJ is Town?