[Basic]: Friends Mafia

[Shad_]

10. Character reveals are allowed. I will put all characters in a bag and shake it and then see who will be what alignment. That means that Chandler could be mafia and Janice could be town.

Reads as no fake claims to me.

[Thane Vakarian]

 

10. Character reveals are allowed. I will put all characters in a bag and shake it and then see who will be what alignment. That means that Chandler could be mafia and Janice could be town.

Reads as no fake claims to me.

 

But also no guarantee that the characters you'd expect to be town, actually are

[Shad_]

Claiming VT this early in the game makes it easier for the wolves to PR-hunt. Do I really need to spell that out for you?

Why did you claim VT on p17 if this concerns you?

[Thane Vakarian]

claiming PR on D1 would be silly, no?

[Zander?]

Still catching up (page9), but here's a few thoughts:

 

Eldrick seems different from the last game we were in. We were both wolves there, and it seems to me that his playstyle is different in this game. I don't know if it's good, or bad, yet. Just something i noticed.

Shad is not in game solving made yet. I hope that will happen soon, otherwise he'll be someone to watch.

Zander is alright,for now.

Sooh feels kinda 'aggresive' in her play (lack of a better word atm). She does try to explain her line of thoughts, but she's not holding back. Interesting.

Lily... there's a good one. No idea on what to make of her yet. Gets sidetracked a bit too easily imo.

 

*continues read*

 

Wouldnt that tend to make you think he's Town?

 

Shad's been asking questions and listed reasons for voting.  Id say he's at the very least on par with you atp.

 

Zander is better then alright....That guys pretty GOAT imo.....lololololololol

 

 

Poorly worded is more like it. Turins' push on me sorta feels like Zander pushing lynches in his previous games (no offense, Zan) and they ended up lynching town. If Turin pushes successfully, you'll miss a VT next day. Me flipping town wouldn't automatically make him wolf, but it'd look... let's put it mildly... not too great.

 

Hallia: I didn't really see a reason for you to actually vote Lily... care  to clarify? 

 

 

 

Bottom 4 at this point would be Lily, Hallia, Eldrick, Tabor (in no particular order).

 

Hallia and Tabor both have been more or less in here, posting game related stuff, just to stay in the thread but not getting too involved. Eldrick, poor guy, is seen as scummy nearly every game. Last game i know he was, and this one feels different. Other style or other allignment? Dunno yet. But I feel his posts are weird. Lily hasn't done anything to convince me she's town this game yet. She's present, commenting left and right, but I'd have expected a bit more bite from her.

 

Townies, for now, would be Thane, Zander, Shad, Sooh, Turin. Zander feels alright, Shad is starting to show some involvement (which i hope will increase). Sooh is getting pushed, but reacts well to it imo. Turin is totally off with his read on me, so i hope he has different suspects lined up when i flip town. 

 

 

First Bold-  Thane took little potshots like these in Supernatural fwiw.

 

Second Bold-  Noting Thane's progression/comments irt to Lily.

 

Thane you dont normally form solid reads on D1....unless youre scum.

 

 

 

 

Bottom 4 at this point would be Lily, Hallia, Eldrick, Tabor (in no particular order).

 

Hallia and Tabor both have been more or less in here, posting game related stuff, just to stay in the thread but not getting too involved. Eldrick, poor guy, is seen as scummy nearly every game. Last game i know he was, and this one feels different. Other style or other allignment? Dunno yet. But I feel his posts are weird. Lily hasn't done anything to convince me she's town this game yet. She's present, commenting left and right, but I'd have expected a bit more bite from her.

 

Townies, for now, would be Thane, Zander, Shad, Sooh, Turin. Zander feels alright, Shad is starting to show some involvement (which i hope will increase). Sooh is getting pushed, but reacts well to it imo. Turin is totally off with his read on me, so i hope he has different suspects lined up when i flip town.

Gun to head. Who is the most likely mafia? who you gonna vote if you HAVE to right now?

 

On Eldrick, you say he is scummy every game and he was scum last game but he feels different now.

Lily, sounds like you have her as more null based on your description. Nothing to make you think she isn't town. what has she done to make you think she is mafia?

 

Hallia and Tab, not getting too involved? you know how that sounds coming from you making your first real posts of the game?

 

I've already said who I have more suspicion on and why. BTW you are doing that thing again where you are treating me as exclusively town without really knowing my alignment. I do understand you are saying you have a town read on me but you recently said that my pushing your lynch through will be a bad look on me. I'm not sure why that would be as it would just make me wrong. You did that last game when I pushed at you and it gave you a "problem in your head" or something like that. Mafia like to make little digs while still town reading the people sussing them.

 

what further solving has shad done to appease you?

 

 

Turin trends slightly up here for me.  Helps that Thane is looking worse as Im going through my reread.

 

IF you get lynched and flip town. Then I will look into how other people reacted to the day and follow my leads where they take me. I am suspicious of Lily also at this point, but we will see how the day progresses. 

 

I dont know if I like that were seeing the same things or not....lolololololol

[Zander?]

 

 

 

And that is so not the only way. Cop could view him.

At the time, this made me think maybe Thane was GF on a Thane/Eld team. I've since revised my opinion on Eldrick. 

 

 

Ok, so I just want to make sure Im following you.  If Im incorrect here please let me know.

 

So atp you thought:

 

Thane and Eldrick were scummates in back 2 back consecutive games

 

and

 

In a 9er had a GF and Cop

 

and

 

somehow this change of heart you had on Eldrick occurred within 3 min.

 

 

The 3 minutes is incidental. I was catching up and commenting as I went. As for the rest, I thought it strange that Eld was suggesting a cop view. That's usually only done by scum with a GF. And you know as well as I do that it's possible although not probable that they could have been scum two games in a row. I've since changed my mind on Eldrick, as you know. 

 

 

 

Sooh mentioned getting Cop viewed last game....and you were the Cop and Sooh was Town....

 

Not sayin' but just sayin'....

[Zander?]

not a big fan of both claims that are already on the table to be honest. Unnecessary to do so early in the game.

 

Also townies that are saying things like: 'i'm alright with you lynching me'... i mean, ??? It's not really a towntell if you say it. Not for me. Sounds a bit too easy and doesn't really push anybody into thinking further on the subject.

 

 

Didnt you claim VT already?

[Shad_]

claiming PR on D1 would be silly, no?

That doesn't answer my question. You claimed Vanilla Town very early. You took issue with other people claiming Vanilla Town early. Does not compute.

[LilyElizabeth]

 

 

 

This is such a huge quote and quite messy. I deleted some of it, and then gave up. The bolded are things that I agree with. Looking at them now, they seem like easy things to say. Moving Thane to my null pile. 

 

 

You said you ISO'd him....went from scum to (This is where you said you ISO'd) him slight town then to solid town...now after your Solid Town read of him AFTER your ISO now he's Null

 

Come on people.....this is not a good look imo.

 

Maybe they are scummates and she doesnt know where the heck to put him?

 

I'm not that sloppy as scum. That's insulting. lol

[Zander?]

Hallia has 8 posts, which is more than I remember her having. She hasn't done much this game except vote me with no reason. I want an explanation for the vote and more content from her. 

 

 

Vote Hallia

 

 

So she votes you for little to no reasoning iyo then you vote her for voting you?

 

Am I following this progression correctly atp?

[LilyElizabeth]

 

Checking in before bed. Don't see anything I need to comment on. I agree that Zander's case on me looks bad. It's just day one confusion, but a case can be made out of anything. 

 

WHo do you agree with Lily?

 

Zander, silly. You said it made me look bad, didn't you?

[Thane Vakarian]

I forgot i mentioned VT for myself earlier in the game. Blame me for being human. You wanna lynch me for it? go ahead. I get the idea that no matter what i try to tell you all, you won't listen to what i say anyways. 

[Taborline]

 

No, breakfast lured me 

 

I agree with your comment about Thane re: "This reads like you know Z isn't a wolf" - but I also wonder when people who have experience post things like "So that means there's 2 baddies, right?" Your vote seems reasonable, given the little amount of material to go on.

 

Sooh is null from what seems like a joke vote.

 

Likewise I can see where Eld is coming from (again, given so little material to work with), but I don't think there's any honest risk right now of a real train happening, it seemed like a bit of an overreaction? Would scum jump to push on a train so soon? 

 

It seems kinda like youre contradicting yourself here can you please explain.

 

Howso? At that point in the game we had very little to go on, and Eld took an opportunity to point something out, which is good, but I felt he did it a bit more strongly than necessary for so early on.

[LilyElizabeth]

 

I was, I blame you for the initial part with your distracting me with TANKS; apologies for not coming back, my sis came over and we played Until Dawn (Terrifying btw)

 

I will join Eld and 

 

Vote: Lily

 

For the moment this is where I am happy.

 

Like Ive mentioned this is not uncommon for Hallia.  She does list a reason for voting later in this post.

 

I'm glad someone does. Thank you hally. You're not trying to pocket me, are you?

 

I actually like this comment from Eld fwiw.

 

 

I'm somewhere between unvoting Eldrick for that ATE and keeping my vote there for that comment about not initially wanting to vote Lily because it would look bad.

 

I'll have to look at the rest of you all tomorrow and see who else is scummy.

 

Town!Sooh is less concerned with hows shes perceived by others imo. Ive been feeling you were Town thus far but this lowers you a bit for me

 

Lily, you were awfully quick to jump off of Eld

 

 

AtE - Appeal to Emotion

 

Here's Hallia's reason.  Its something I noted as well.

 

But Hallia, Im not seeing the involvement level from you like in GnD so if you are Town I need you to step it up and explain things better if you dont mind my dear.  Im not gonna push a lynch on you today but you'll not be getting a D2 pass from me with this.

 

 

But my unvote came after her vote, so that can't be her initial reason, Zan. Are you her teammate trying to clear her? Or just not paying attention?

[Zander?]

 

Wait, I wasn't here when asked, just got on but I'm refusing to give a reason? Does not compute. At work on mobile,so I can't do much quoting, but I can respond in the now.

 

I am voting Lily for her gameplay and the quickness to unvote Eld. It's mainly gut, but she seems scummy to me.

 

I'll go back and quote it, but my unvoting Eld came after your vote. Wanna try again?

 

 

 

 

Hally's agreeing with me felt like it could be pocketing (I said as much at the time). Then she voted the person that was already gaining suspicion, without a reason. When asked for why she voted Lily, her only response has been Lily's unvote. She has mentioned it twice, but it can't be a valid reason as it happened after she voted.

 

[unvote]

[v]Hally[/v]

 

She did list another reason for it.  Does this change how you feel about it?

 

Eldrick what are your thoughts on Lily? If you have her scum does this change your view on Hally?

[Zander?]

 

Hally's agreeing with me felt like it could be pocketing (I said as much at the time). Then she voted the person that was already gaining suspicion, without a reason. When asked for why she voted Lily, her only response has been Lily's unvote. She has mentioned it twice, but it can't be a valid reason as it happened after she voted.

 

[unvote]

[v]Hally[/v]

If you ignore the "for her gameplay" part, which is intensely vague but still out there.   Lily's engaging her on the matter, which I rather like.  I agree that Hallia isn't looking so hot right now, think it's rather odd that you're hopping onto her without seeing where the conversation goes when your previous vote was on Lily.

 

 

THIS ^^^^

[LilyElizabeth]

 

Hallia has 8 posts, which is more than I remember her having. She hasn't done much this game except vote me with no reason. I want an explanation for the vote and more content from her. 

 

 

Vote Hallia

 

 

So she votes you for little to no reasoning iyo then you vote her for voting you?

 

Am I following this progression correctly atp?

 

 

Yes. I voted her for voting me with no good reason and for not answering when questioned about it. She still hasn't answered to my satisfaction.

[Zander?]

ISO'd Shad. He looks very good. My solid town core is him and Thane atp.

 

Ive already touched on this but her flip flopping on Thane, which Id normally associate with Town more often then not, strikes me as more being concerned with how she being perceived and trying to place a teammate thats being sussed then anything else imo.

 

I will say this.  If she flips Town I'd also look hard at Hallia who unfortunately came late to the party irt to reading Lily scummy imo.

 

 

Okay. I'll buy that. What about my gameplay bothers you?

 

So if youre buying that why didnt you unvote? 

 

Has your read on her changed?

 

This may come later but I'd like and explanation please.

 

Also worth noting this could be possible distancing.

 

 

 

 

This is a weird list, Thane. Why so many town reads instead of nulls, we don't have too much to go on yet, and yet you seem alright putting them in town. Your scum reads are 2 people who aren't very active, 1 person who is easy to point the finger at (Eldrick), and Lily who admittedly doesn't feel great to me, but who has also had a FoS at her. 

 

 

Unless Tab somehow drastically improved her Scum game in her hiatus, she's prolly Town

[Zander?]

Shad - I am liking the way you're playing, being your usual probing self. You feel good.

Turin - Same, I feel you're actively pushing people and trying to get the game moving/solve.

 

Eldrick - I am inclined to be swayed by your appeal to emotions. I'd put you on the townier side of null now.

Zander - no clue.

Sooh - true null, I need to ISO your posts still.

 

Lily - The Eld switch did ping me, but I need to ISO you to see if there's anything more

Hallia - I could possibly see you as being scum this game for your not being present and voting quickly for the first thing that stands out (Lily's switch)

Thane - I am not feeling convinced by your arguments/I feel like you are going with the flow more than solving

 

So Tab iyo, what scum combo fits best with you and why?

 

 

 

WTL atp

 

Turin

 

Lily

 

Zander....you may be wrong on Turin

 

Zander your prolly right on Lily

 

Good talk buddy!!!

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

I was more asking if you agree with his reasoning for voting. It seems flimsy to me.

Oh. No, I don't.

This is interesting as iirc Lily calls Hally out later for a flimsy reasoning for her vote.

 

 

My vote wasn't a joke. Sooh's may have been. If Thane had gotten to say 4 votes and Sooh kept her vote on what would you be thinking then?

 

I vote who I think is mafia. I don't really care how many votes they have unless it is hammer or L-1.

 

Looking forward to what you gain from rereading.

Wait. Does this mean you already at that point thought Thane was mafia?

Yes he did imo. He also thought Eldrick was too atp.

 

 

Sooh. What's your reason for leaving your vote there now? I find it suspicious that you commented on planning to remove your vote, but didn't unvote.

I don't usually hard unvote, even a joke vote. I leave it there until I find someone scummy or more scummy. I would have in this case if there had been a quick train on Thane and more than two votes were on him, but right now my joke stays where it is

That's a dangerous way to play. What if your joke vote gets a townie lynched because you left it on them, and didn't have time to move it?

 

Joke votes are fine. They are expected. Leaving them on without a solid reason is scummy imo.

 

[unvote]

[V]Sooh [/v]

Eldrick just wanted to touch base on this as you brought it up later.

 

Your vote wasnt instant reaction and you provided your reasoning for it. So I guess it could be a tad OMGUS but much less so then Turin's on you. He basically voted you for voting him while you gave a more solid reason and iirc you had sussed Sooh a bit as well.

I was asking about sooh's vote on me, not my vote on her. How could my vote be omgus? :P

[LilyElizabeth]

Something that happens after to cement my contentedness with my vote is lying?

 

 

Okay. I'll buy that. What about my gameplay bothers you?

 

I'll buy that my unvote cemented her happiness with her vote, but I still want to know why she voted me in the first place.

[Zander?]

 

Lily and thane scum team. Would lily have Thane as town, an unpopular opinion, if they were teammates, especially being she's getting heat and might be today's lynch? I don't think so.

 

 

I don't think so either.

 

 

 

It seems like every time people start try to see if they connect them together shes moving him.  She seems very self conscious of how shes being viewed in this game.

 

Shes had Thane as Scum, Town and now Null ATP.

[LilyElizabeth]

I'm leaning more scum again. Enjoy what you make of that. 

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

10. Character reveals are allowed. I will put all characters in a bag and shake it and then see who will be what alignment. That means that Chandler could be mafia and Janice could be town.

Reads as no fake claims to me.

But also no guarantee that the characters you'd expect to be town, actually are

Which is why I said you guys wouldn't care.

[Sooh]

Deadline is in < 3 hours, yes? 

 

Do we still have a 3 way tie?