[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

[Eldrick4221]

U call it like I see it Nyn. That is how it looked yo me. Nolder train was sputtering a bit. You pushed it harder. So w/e. BTW, now that Nolder flipped town who are your most likely mafia and why?

 

Eldrick, if wanted a counter train once I mentioned it, why not switch? You could always switch back if you thought Nolder was best lynch.

A. I wasn't given time to, if I wanted to. Next thing I knew Nolder hammered himself.

 

B. I was where I wanted to be. I didn't have a consideration for a counter train at the time.

[Eldrick4221]

@Zander you're right. You didn't drive this mislynch (I must have been thinking about last game lol)

 

Your reason for voting Nolder was so you could get support D2 on Sooh, and that's gross in its own regard.

[Eldrick4221]

A good part of my game is following other people's reasoning. Something makes sense and I go with it. I also try to notice things for myself, but I build my reads on people partly from what other people say about them. It's just how I play and how I feel the game should be played. It is a team game after all, so listening to what what other people have to say is vital for the team to function.

 

Sometimes what I notice is flawed (e.g. Nolder saying to Zander that he wouldn't let Pral in his town core. It read to me as a scum read on pral. Who else would you not let in a town core besides suspected scum? Zander mentioned him voting pral, and I forgot to confirm that. It was on my mind when making my reads list, and I simply wrote the wrong information)

 

I voted for Nolder because I didn't have any strong scum reads (still don't. I have a poe of weak reads because they aren't town reads) and I didn't like his refusing to give a reads list.

[LilyElizabeth]

 

Lynch train analysis? Nolder interactions? ISOs of suspicious players? Anything? Anyone?

mobile only with poorly small boys so no computer so analysis unlikely before day starts.

 

I don't like that Lily voted just after I asked for a counter train.

 

I don't like that you sort of went #FULLZANDER at him. That Nyn joined in on it when people started to rethink option coming up on EoD.

 

I don't like some people were still absent and haven't really contributed. (Thane , Pral)

 

I don't like Z having just being blindered on going at Sooh.

 

Slightly concerned BG is being so reasonable, quiet and well spoken. Tinfoil might be engaging there.

 

that's all for now.

 

 

The timing of my vote was because of his refusal to claim. That always pisses me off when he does it. Did you really think you were going to get a counter train, anyway? I thought it was unlikely. 

[Nynaeve]

Zander mentioned him voting pral, and I forgot to confirm that. It was on my mind when making my reads list, and I simply wrote the wrong information)

 

Like Pral pointed out, you made your read list before Zander mentioned it. I double checked the time stamps.

[LilyElizabeth]

Nolder's flip did nothing to change my reads. He played badly and he got lynched for it. End of story.

 

I haven't had a chance to reread EoD and votes, but from memory Sooh and Eldrick's votes prolly stand out the most to me. But given that they're on my sus list that's not really that surprising. So that could be bias on my part.

 

Generally speaking, considering Nolder's case was so compelling because he was playing like a butthead, I question how many scum are actually on that train. I don't think they really needed to nudge it along that much, considering I was doing all the heavy lifting. So that's sort of on my mind atm. I really don't know.

 

I was thinking the same thing, but I'm still going to look at the votes when I get time.  

[Nynaeve]

please do

[Eldrick4221]

I just reread my result of my Nyn iso. I find it odd that the part that was focused on from it was the amount of fluff, not the fact that I felt she wasn't being very engaging.

 

But whatever. It resulted in me getting a town read from her response, so it works out anyway.

[Eldrick4221]

As for me being the first to mention Nolder's nonexistent vote on pral. Yea that was totally my bad. I meant to say "intent to vote" which should have been clear from my last few posts.

 

I hate my bad memory :/

[Hallia]

Daybreak incoming.

[Hallia]

Without her mom around, she was an easy target. Poor Jo, she was vulnerable, and demons always pray on who is vulnerable.

 

Turin - Jo Harvelle - Vanilla Town has been killed!

 

It is now D2! With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is in 48 hours.

[Eldrick4221]

[v]Thane[/v]

 

It's day 2. Improve your gameplay or die.

[Clovdyx]

Daybreak incoming.

 

What?  Where's the write up?!  WHY ARE THERE NO FLIPS!  [v]Shad[/v]

 

Oh wait, it's only my game people do this.

 

 

 

<3 you guys

 

 

[Eldrick4221]

Lolololol

[Eldrick4221]

Thane - 1 - Eldrick

Shad - 1 - Clov

 

Right?

[Zander?]

 

No, I'll lynch you and you'll flip scum, so it's a good lynch, not a mislynch. Yay.

 

 

lol

 

 

Weird as in weird....I dont think Im the only person whose described your posts this way either.

 

The i dont get it. i dont understand posts, some of which dont seem all the complicated to understand.imo.

 

The reason for voting Pral was hellibad as well.

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Youre not making much if any sense really with most of your posts.  The only thing really holding me back on you atp was the fact I was wrong about you last game and I want some more to base a solid read on you from.

This is what stands out to me. This was around the time Nolder started getting heat and and after this that people started voting Nolder.

 

The thing is I find it weird that both of them started going against Nolder saying that they didn't like his vote on me

I have a lot of null reads, but that's ok for Day 1. It will sort itself out in time.

 

 

Nolder - He has recently moved down for me. I don't like his reasoning for voting Pral. His question to Zander was weird.

 

The funny thing is he never voted me and it was a passing comment that he would put me in his lynch pile.

 

I can believe if it was one person making the mistake but both of them doing the exact same mistake and that too around the time trying to put the heat on Nolder looks really bad.

 

Gun to the head, both Zander and Eldrick are scum. If this is the case, I could be wrong about Sooh after all.

 

 

So its impossible for one person to make a mistake then iyo?

 

Now youre backing off Sooh...noted

[Zander?]

 

Gun to the head, both Zander and Eldrick are scum. If this is the case, I could be wrong about Sooh after all.

 

 

See this kind of bugs me. Most of your content is nudging Sooh. And you did vote her on D1 if I recall. But now you're backing away from that read because you're sure that Nolder/Zander is v/w. But your content points at you feeling more strongly on Sooh considering you've been all over her.... so I'm not sure how I feel about this change of hearts. Mostly cause you're now going for two more game days where you have Sooh on your suss list but you're not actually gonna pursue her. Meh.

 

 

Nyn sees whats going on.

 

WTL: Zander, Eldrick

 

Must look closer at BG, Thane

 

Unsure about Laine, Pral, Lily

 

Not lynching BFG, Nyn, Turin

 

Why did Eldrick and Pral Switch.  I also find it funny that I mention you keeping Eld in Null and now youre moving him.

 

This is your read list from yesterday:

 

 

BFG - I believe she's town. She's doing the word and asking questions to help solve the game. 

Nyn - I like Nyn's posts as well. Both her attitude and her solving is very towny.

BGrishinko - I like his posts. He seems to be taking in the new atmosphere and try to figure people out. However, this may be the one who pockets me. 

 

Turin - I feel like he's trying to figure this out, but I'm not confident in this read. I'm most confident about Turin when I disagree with him the most basically. I will have to go back and look at him more. One of the things that makes me doubt my read is that he is giving me the benefit of the doubt. 

Laine - I feel like she's the same Laine as I usually see in her town games, but then again she did fool me last game. I am uncertain about this slot.

 

I'll keep rereading when I get home from work tomorrow, but that's where I'm at right now.

 

Nolder - No idea. Basically I like that he seems some of the same things I see in Zander. 

Lily - Also no idea. Must read more closely.

Thane - Could go either way. I can't clear or condemn him.

Eldrick - Weird player. Takes time for me to figure out. He had a post I didn't like earlier about having too many nulls. (Ironic since I have like four nulls myself perhaps) I have mislynched him too many times though. I would like to see him make it beyond D1. 

 

Pral - Down here because I didn't understand why he made a push towards me. I know Nyn tried to explain, but I didn't really get that either. Not much else to go on.

Zander - Down here because I have no reason to clear him basically. I don't like the sarcasm and snarky attitude. If either Zander or I are lynched today I recommend a cop view on the other, because I don't think we can be cleared in any other way.

 

 

This is obviously from just a minute ago.

 

WTL: Zander, Eldrick

 

Must look closer at BG, Thane

 

Unsure about Laine, Pral, Lily

 

Not lynching BFG, Nyn, Turin

 

What exactly made you drop Eldrick further down and Pral higher? What about their posts since that read lists changed your mind? I'm not asking about the BG change of placements because I can sort of see how you got there from what we were taking about earlier irt him. And I can accept you being unsure of Laine because you did say you weren't sure on the read. So those two are I can get your thought process on. I'd like an answer on the other two, though.

 

I love Nyn so much.

 

 

I liked Pral's last few posts where he seemed to show some towny process. 

 

As for Eldrick it's a bit more complicated. I suppose he's more in my "Must look closer at" pile. He's more in my POE because he's in most other people's POE rather than specific things he does. 

Actually no, put him in my "Not sure about" pile. I changed my mind. 

 

Zander, BG and Thane will get my main focus tomorrow.

 

 

Whats his Towny thought process?  Backing off of you....lol.   Or saying its impossible for people to make mistakes?

lmklmk

 

Youre Eldrick stance is a joke.

 

@Zander you're right. You didn't drive this mislynch (I must have been thinking about last game lol)

 

Your reason for voting Nolder was so you could get support D2 on Sooh, and that's gross in its own regard.

 

Wow you quote your first lie about me then make another one.

 

I listed reasoning for Nolder I offered to Thunderdome him ffs.  Its like voting a lesser Scum read over your top one and asking fro support to vote your top one the next day.

 

Eldrick this kind of stuff is just awful.   Id say nice try but its not its just plain bad.,

[Zander?]

[v] Sooh [/v]

[LilyElizabeth]

ISO on BG. I know this isn't what I said I was going to do today, but I found a gem that was worth bringing to light. 

 

 

 

Admission to sowing confusion on purpose Lily?

I found this strange in the first place. It was obvious I was joking. 

 

First off, the clef avatars are getting out of control. I love it.

@BFG #226

Somehow I missed Thane's response there about the voting.

Can't tell if Thane is joking or not in his response. Votes in day 1, especially first votes, are always a stretch or prod or a calculated strategy to gain information. Or a joke/sign of welcoming/goodwill what have you as Sooh said her vote on me was initially. So calling it insanity is either Thane joking around a litte, or trying to disparage the current voting methods/record. He doesn't look like he's joking in his response so it doesn't sit as a generally town thing to say at the moment, but I'd need to re-read those 2-3 pages in context to get a better idea why he might say that. 

Concerning Zander vote, Not sure what doesn't follow to you. I saw the claim hint so I was quiet about it. As I previously mentioned, once Turin brought it up into the spotlight I figured we better address it head on, therefore I made my prodding vote as early soft claims are suspicious in general to me. Good to know a little Zander meta. Some people like to role claim as early as possible every game. Led to rules in many games about having to wait 3-4 game days or near hammer to claim, it was ridiculous for a while.
 

 

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I like Sooh's approach here. She doesn't know anything about me or my meta. So she pokes at me to learn more. Day 1 is all about the subtle pokes and seeing how people react. Underreactions and over reactions are the only meat we really have to go on. 
 
@Turin - I noticed the same soft claim thing but was kind of sitting on it to see if Zander was going to bring it up again or make a big deal out of it again. It always is fishy to me when people bring up claims so early either way, but not knowing meta wasn't sure what to make of it.
 
I think I'm willing to [v]Zander [/v] for now for this reason. Good as any at this point.

 
So you dont believe I could be doing the same thing? 
 
You also said you were waiting for me to make a big deal about then when I still don't you vote me for it??
 
This reads pretty strangely to me.

 

Misrepresented: First in blue: I felt that Zander had cherry picked the fact that I mentioned he might make a big deal out of it and ignored the rest of the sentence in which I wondered whether he'd bring it up again. In green, then he asserts I voted him BECAUSE he didn't make a big deal out of it. I voted because it is fishy when people hint big claims too early especially when fake claims are in play. This is true regardless of whether he reacted or not. I just made my suspicion known publicly once it got brought into the lime light by Turin. Re-reading why I typed though I can understand the confusion as I don't think I conveyed that reason super clear. It does kind of look like the blue could have been the reason for the vote. So I retract the fact you misrepresented me. Looks like communication fail.

Last part of #226:
Me and Kivam? I don't remember Kivam's meta very well. Just checked and the last game I played I could find was the end of 2013 (HOLY CRAP, I could have sworn it was shorter time than that since I played last).
 

 

@Nolder, I didn't read it that way. Noted. So back to your vote on Alanna, did you vote her for in essence "nudging' at Z (or whoever it was)?

Z, what did you learn from your effort to gauge reactions? I personally don't see the sense in doing such a thing in a game that has been confirmed to have fake claims for mafia.

 
I didnt say I necessarily was engaging for reactions, I asked BG why he didnt feel like I couldnt be.  Most games if not all games have fake claims still doesnt mean its pointless to do so.

 

Going back to this again... Really the only reason to soft claim that early is to gauge reactions, so I believe that's exactly what you were doing. The question isn't whether you are gauging the reaction, but to what end. For good or for eeeeeevil? So pressure applied to learn more. In any case, this is starting to get to be a circular argument I think.

Also @Turin, come now. I personally find most early claim hints suspicious because more often than not they turn out to be mafia ploys in my experience, but you should know better to not see sense in doing such a thing. There are definitely some good reasons for town to do such a thing, but it seems that mafia tend to do it more.
 

This is an interesting concoction. Taco bell chicken gordita (no sour cream, add nacho cheese), with flaming hot cheetos added inside. anyone looking for something new to try, I would recommend.

Oreo's and American Eazy-Cheese (from the spray can). Also Wendy's Spicy Nuggets + Frosty dipping.
 

My take on BG. He will always make sense in what he says. He will always look reasonable in thread. He will fake claim as either alignment. It will generally have something in it that sounds too off to be made up. As town he will accept a lynch if he thinks it will forward the town solving and winning the game. I have never seen him use the fake "lynch me if you must" as mafia.

End of BG thoughts for those that may not have played with him before.

P.s. I.may be biased cause he killed.me twice in one day when I was just starting to play.

Ever since that game Turin has been my mafia kryptonite.



Only other thing I spotted that hasn't been brought up by others I think is:
 

One of the things that has bugged me so far was Lily's vote changes. I went back and ISO'd her. They do seem more fluid and towny in that light.

This seems like you are wanting people to be suspicious of Lily but don't want it to get tracked back to you. Reads to me like "Hey! Look! Lily is vote hopping! Now don't ask me any questions on why I brought this up. Cause she's hella town."


All said and done I'm willing to let the sleeping dog lie Z. Reactions have been generated and your responses have been noted. It'll come back up again later, but I feel better applying a little more pressure here: [unvote][v]Eldrich[/v]
 

Reason Turin was the nightkill? 

 

 

 

 

Overall, BG has been playing very middle of the road, trying not to draw attention his way. There are too many quotes to pull and they would be out of context anyway. I'd encourage you to ISO him, too, to check out what I'm seeing. He doesn't have that many posts. 

 

Vote BG

[Eldrick4221]

On mobile. It would be a hassle to pull up the quote, but I distinctly remember you switching to nolder, and then saying something to the lines of "you'll vote sooh tomorrow, right?"

[Zander?]

On mobile. It would be a hassle to pull up the quote, but I distinctly remember you switching to nolder, and then saying something to the lines of "you'll vote sooh tomorrow, right?"

 

I did I want Sooh lynched.  But that doesnt mean he wasnt a suss of mine.  You like totally dont remember our back and forth or the thunderdome challenge.

[Eldrick4221]

 

On mobile. It would be a hassle to pull up the quote, but I distinctly remember you switching to nolder, and then saying something to the lines of "you'll vote sooh tomorrow, right?"

I did I want Sooh lynched. But that doesnt mean he wasnt a suss of mine. You like totally dont remember our back and forth or the thunderdome challenge.

It read to me that you were switching under the condition that someone (I want to say laine) Would vote sooh with you today.

 

I'm not saying you didn't suss him. I know you did.

[Zander?]

@Zander you're right. You didn't drive this mislynch (I must have been thinking about last game lol)

 

Your reason for voting Nolder was so you could get support D2 on Sooh, and that's gross in its own regard.

 

 

 

 

On mobile. It would be a hassle to pull up the quote, but I distinctly remember you switching to nolder, and then saying something to the lines of "you'll vote sooh tomorrow, right?"

I did I want Sooh lynched. But that doesnt mean he wasnt a suss of mine. You like totally dont remember our back and forth or the thunderdome challenge.

It read to me that you were switching under the condition that someone (I want to say laine) Would vote sooh with you today.

 

I'm not saying you didn't suss him. I know you did.

 

 

Think before you type something like this.

[LilyElizabeth]

I know a couple of people commented on my vote on Nol. It was part policy lynch for his refusal to reveal and part that I forgot this was a hybrid hammer game. 

[Eldrick4221]

Really? I'm not saying you didn't suss him. I'm saying it's why you switched. At least it's how it appeared to me. I didn't say anything wrong. It was your perceived reason for voting him instead of sooh.