[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

[LilyElizabeth]

@BFG, Not gonna lie. I didn't like the extended meta discussion earlier either. I had to force myself take a step back from it and just let it go.

 

@Zan, no offense taken. I'm an unknown quantity to you so it makes sense.

 

I'll be honest, I didn't like it either, but it's scummy to just ignore someone when they address you, so I participated. I'm glad it's over now. 

To tell the truth, I still feel like I'm being played by Alanna/Zander. Just gut feelings, which I'm trying not to give too much weight to. 

[LilyElizabeth]

I interpreted this list as Cop, you should view Lily. Vig, you should kill Z. Etc. etc.

 

Oh, that makes more sense. I thought they were listing their guesses for power roles, which would be really stupid imo. 

[LilyElizabeth]

 

BFG, I won't be able to look at Sooh until after day starts providing I'm alive.

 

I'll try to get my thoughts out on Z and Alanna before I go to sleep.

 

Ok, thanks 

 

 

 

 

Zander, if this is Cory's influence that makes you like this it's really messing with my ability to read you.

I liked this at the time and still do (will probably revisit when I get to Sooh vs Zander)

 

 

To be honest Cory has been busy, he's only really looking at reads with me and only instructions was to watch my post count and try to explain things better/more clearly and lunch the wolves.

 

I dont know if that helps much but make of it what you will.  I made a consciousness decision pre game as everyone knows to change my style.

 

 

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not bothered by how much you're discussing with Cory, the reason I liked it was because she was trying to understand why you were sounding different (and you really were) rather than just assuming it was one thing or another. I know it's one post, but the timing of it just felt right in terms of thread flow

 

 

 

Cop: Lily

vig: Z

lynch: Alanna

Doc: BFG

 

Go!

 

Explain to me what good a list like this does. You both listed me as cop. If I am the cop, and I'm not saying one way or the other, isn't that a little dangerous?

 

Not calling you cop

 

Who would you cop, vig, doc, lynch?

 

 

I've never been asked that before. I'm not sure, but I'll give it a go. 

 

Cop: Me, because I'm going to stay an enigma until you know my alignment. 

Vig: Zander

Lynch: Alanna (still not feeling good about these two. Like I said, I'm trying not to give it too much weight, but you asked.)

Doc: Turin or Nyn

[LilyElizabeth]

Sorry I didn't cut down that quote. Didn't realize how big it was. 

[bgrishinko]

Sooh part 2 of ?

 

 

reaction test

 

 

 

Slightly weirded out that BG has called out literally every post containing his name EXCEPT my joke vote on him.

 

 

Well, you did say you had played here before, and my vote on you was my welcome and hello. 

 

Calling you out on it was however a reaction test.

 

 

 

Well, you did say you had played here before, and my vote on you was my welcome and hello. 

 

Calling you out on it was however a reaction test.

 

*itching to say "fair enough"....*

Well said. Seems legit for now.

 

 

 

 

 

Well, you did say you had played here before, and my vote on you was my welcome and hello. 

 

Calling you out on it was however a reaction test.

What did you get from it?

 

That your new avi is going to drive me insane!

 

No, seriously. I don't know yet. I think the fact that he dropped the issue is a good thing. Initial reaction I was a bit meh to, but latest post is better purely based on the fact that he isn't pursuing a tunnel on me based on it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, you did say you had played here before, and my vote on you was my welcome and hello. 

 

Calling you out on it was however a reaction test.

What did you get from it?

 

That your new avi is going to drive me insane!

 

No, seriously. I don't know yet. I think the fact that he dropped the issue is a good thing. Initial reaction I was a bit meh to, but latest post is better purely based on the fact that he isn't pursuing a tunnel on me based on it.

 

Before his latest post what made you think he was going to tunnel?

 

It's not an exact science, but the whole, when I pointed a finger at him he just turned around and went "Oh yeah, but you pointing a finger at me or even talking to me in the first place, now THAT's scummy!" (parphrased into basically how I read it) It could have easily turned into a tunnel, at least from my POV. Then again, I don't know BG and don't know how he reacts, but imagine if it was Zander ( ).

 

Anyway, please read my posts today with the consideration that I'm sick as a dog and my husband is the sweetest on earth for making dinner for me, again.

 

 

 

Day 1 is a whole 'nother ball game when you don't know people's meta. It's kind of refreshing actually. 

 

 

 

 

 

what happened the past two pages? Temporary insanity? Reads like it, sheesh.

??? With regards to what?

 

 

This is a question that needs answering. Also high five on the avatar. 

 

I like Sooh's approach here. She doesn't know anything about me or my meta. So she pokes at me to learn more. Day 1 is all about the subtle pokes and seeing how people react. Underreactions and over reactions are the only meat we really have to go on. 

 

@Turin - I noticed the same soft claim thing but was kind of sitting on it to see if Zander was going to bring it up again or make a big deal out of it again. It always is fishy to me when people bring up claims so early either way, but not knowing meta wasn't sure what to make of it.

 

I think I'm willing to [v]Zander [/v] for now for this reason. Good as any at this point.

 

 

 

 

 

 

this conversation feels very familiar

 

I'm not sure I completely buy Sooh's earlier response either

Buy which response?

 

Oh, and before I forget. Zander, you're not at all Zander this game. You seem hostile, defensive, FOSing everyone (at least until recalibrating with Cory), and I don't see at all the townie Zander that I've come to expect. This has nothing to do with volume. It has to do with tone. You're using vocabulary that seems un-Zander and that is why I'll

 

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[v]Zander[/v]

 

Regarding the BG tunnel

 

I dunno, I need to muse a bit

 

I may have explained it in a bad way. Like, I was thinking that IF BG is that type of scum when he is scum he might latch on to that and just never let it go, no matter what I said or did to explain myself. It's possible that tunnel is the wrong word, but sustained suspicion maybe?

 

 

 

My response to # 331 which seemed to break my post when I quoted it:

 

I "dragged Laine in" by pointing out what I thought was an inconsistency in Lily's play. I found it weird how she would go from voting Zander to voting somebody who was pushing Zander. I actually find that that might suggest that Laine isn't partnered with any of the two, rather than dragging her into something. It was Lily's actions I was talking about, in regards to Laine. 

 

Lmk if I need to explain this further.

 

 

 

 

 

 

But, uh? Reaction testing on someone you have never played with?

That's a bit [v]Sooh[/v] level play.

There's such a thing as generic reactions, which is what I was looking for. If you couldn't test for reactions on players you haven't played with before, what do you then do to gauge them?

 

Tell me then, what reaction from BG would have made you suspect he was scum? Or what reaction would have made you sure he was town.

 

Generic reactions doesn't make any sense.

 

 

As for reactions. I have later explained what I found after the test. Sometimes, when you do make a test like that, you don't know what you're looking for until you see it. I can't possibly know how anyone will react to pressure, but I can judge based on their reactions what I think their likely motivation is. 

 

So, no, I can't give you a list of do's and don't's with regards to reaction tests. All I can say is how I interpret their choice of actions after the fact.

 

 

 

This still bugs me from both of them and I cannot explain why.

 

BG you said you liked Sooh's test, what did you think of her interpretation of your actions?

 

Sooh, I know you've tried to explain I just still don't understand

 

Essentially at this point my thoughts on Sooh are that she's sounding off, probably due to illness and that means nothing for her alignment

 

 

Sooh doesn't know anything about me. Makes sense she'd want to prod at me a little to gain some info.

 

(Also, you know how bad I want to type "He" everytime I talk about Sooh. )

[BFG]

 

 

 

BFG, I won't be able to look at Sooh until after day starts providing I'm alive.

 

I'll try to get my thoughts out on Z and Alanna before I go to sleep.

 

Ok, thanks 

 

 

 

 

Zander, if this is Cory's influence that makes you like this it's really messing with my ability to read you.

I liked this at the time and still do (will probably revisit when I get to Sooh vs Zander)

 

 

To be honest Cory has been busy, he's only really looking at reads with me and only instructions was to watch my post count and try to explain things better/more clearly and lunch the wolves.

 

I dont know if that helps much but make of it what you will.  I made a consciousness decision pre game as everyone knows to change my style.

 

 

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not bothered by how much you're discussing with Cory, the reason I liked it was because she was trying to understand why you were sounding different (and you really were) rather than just assuming it was one thing or another. I know it's one post, but the timing of it just felt right in terms of thread flow

 

 

 

Cop: Lily

vig: Z

lynch: Alanna

Doc: BFG

 

Go!

 

Explain to me what good a list like this does. You both listed me as cop. If I am the cop, and I'm not saying one way or the other, isn't that a little dangerous?

 

Not calling you cop

 

Who would you cop, vig, doc, lynch?

 

 

 

I've never been asked that before. I'm not sure, but I'll give it a go. 

 

Cop: Me, because I'm going to stay an enigma until you know my alignment. 

Vig: Zander

Lynch: Alanna (still not feeling good about these two. Like I said, I'm trying not to give it too much weight, but you asked.)

Doc: Turin or Nyn

 

Can you summarise your thoughts on Laine?

[BFG]

BG, but what did you think of her backing off after (for want of a better word)?

[LilyElizabeth]

I feel like Alanna tried ridiculously hard to convince me of her towniness. That's a lot of effort to go to for one player who is the only one who is voting you. It's not like the town was following me or anything. The way she and Zander are working together doesn't sit well with me, either. I'm listening to Nyn and not voting them, but there isn't anyone I feel is more scummy. 

[Turin Turambar]

 

Okay. Thanks BFG.

 

Eld, you care to find it? I would like to be sure. Again, much appreciated if you can.

 

 

 

I gotchu Z

 

BG why would we lynch for info when we could lynch a wolf? That's a terrible idea...

It is a terrible idea and everyone sees Alanna agreed to lunch Sooh tomorrow.

Perhaps instead of asking others to lynch me you could advocate for a possible cop to view me like I have done with you?

This is twice you mentioned this...are the GF or trying to out the Cop? This is pinging me. Like if Nolder flips Scum and is a goon....I think there a lot of w/w equity between you.

 

@ BFG use your words my dear...lol Also WTL list with reasons please.

There you are Turin

Okay. I went back and found the quote.I was troubled by the thought because the line if X flips goon and you pushed him then gambit is a very real possibility. if it came from Alanna who I think is trying to get town cleared in the wrong way it pings exceedingly. I have some of that same concern with you due to the softclaim issue. I have seen enough high volume posters look to get "lock clear" as mafia to lead town astray to always be suspicious when I see anyone looking for more town cred than an action deserves.

 

Since Nol flipped town that is a moot point now however. Does that answer your question sufficiently?

[BFG]

I feel like Alanna tried ridiculously hard to convince me of her towniness. That's a lot of effort to go to for one player who is the only one who is voting you. It's not like the town was following me or anything. The way she and Zander are working together doesn't sit well with me, either. I'm listening to Nyn and not voting them, but there isn't anyone I feel is more scummy.

Ok thanks :)

[LilyElizabeth]

Okay. I went back and found the quote.I was troubled by the thought because the line if X flips goon and you pushed him then gambit is a very real possibility. if it came from Alanna who I think is trying to get town cleared in the wrong way it pings exceedingly. I have some of that same concern with you due to the softclaim issue. I have seen enough high volume posters look to get "lock clear" as mafia to lead town astray to always be suspicious when I see anyone looking for more town cred than an action deserves.

Since Nol flipped town that is a moot point now however. Does that answer your question sufficiently?

 

This.

[bgrishinko]

BG, but what did you think of her backing off after (for want of a better word)?

 

I guess I didn't really give an "interpretation" as you asked for before.

 

Here's what I think happened:

Perspective: Town!Sooh ---- I responded to nearly every post with my name on it once I joined in. Most all of them were from people I've played with in the past, people I know, joking around etc. I didn't comment on Sooh's welcome and vote. This gave Sooh an in to prod at me and test my reactions on what kind of player I am. See if I fit into her scum molds. Apparently my reaction was one that she didn't find too sketchy. So she acknowledged it and moved on. This seems the simplest explanation to me.

 

Thinking about it a little more from the other perspective: Scum!Sooh --- Sooh saw an opportunity to point out I was specifically ignoring her vote. This could be used to cast me in a bad light one way or another. When I responded, she might have realized I gave a response that would be hard for her to twist into a FoS. So she backed down to avoid confrontation and instead took it as a chance to buddy up a little by making me feel at peace.

 

In any case, the first way makes more sense to me and is how I saw it so Sooh has felt somewhat town to me at that time.

 

@Zan - My list hasn't really been affected that much. Nolder's play seemed normal to me, so his town flip didn't really affect me much. Thane's my 1st choice at the moment and Laine is a step down from there. I'm thinking the meta-argument with Laine is most likely just a philosophy difference that can't be reconciled at this time, doesn't really change my mind one way or the other. The continued scum lean there is mainly for the my-way-or-the-highway attitude of it. People telling me that it's anti-town to disagree with them feels manipulative. 

[bgrishinko]

I've literally never had people so unwilling to town read me in my life.

 

This is the post that made me just take a deep breath and take a step back and reinforced why Laine is still on my lynch list. There's no good arguing with someone who doesn't see the fallacy in this statement if they are town. 

[BFG]

 

 

 

this conversation feels very familiar

 

I'm not sure I completely buy Sooh's earlier response either

Buy which response?

 

Oh, and before I forget. Zander, you're not at all Zander this game. You seem hostile, defensive, FOSing everyone (at least until recalibrating with Cory), and I don't see at all the townie Zander that I've come to expect. This has nothing to do with volume. It has to do with tone. You're using vocabulary that seems un-Zander and that is why I'll

 

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[v]Zander[/v]

 

 

 

 

 

 

So after a reread with CoryGOAT, here is where I am atp:

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

Thane- Engaged and committed

Nyn- Making good observations and points.  Decent presence ITT.

BFG-  More active then Id expect as a wolf!BFG atp

 

Alanna- I didnt hate her response to my question.  I'm more worried about her atp then Cory is.

 

BG- Null and dont know him really.  Want to hear his response to my question.

Nolder- I think we came back weird for just about every post of his.  But Nol posts weird so Null

Turin- Here for now.  Wanna see some more content before passing judgement as I was wrong on him in the last game.

Pral-  Need more to go off of.

 

Lily- This is one spot were kinda were I differ from Cory he has her higher and has more experience with her then me as I have none.  But I wasnt a fan of her switching off her votes as soon as questions arose.

 

Eldrick- Feels very forced

Sooh-  Sooh is sick but I feel like after last game Sooh should be Town telling better atp.  Also something I noted was her Null stance on Eld.  May be nothing but where I have them both scummy its something I noticed.

 

[v] Sooh [/v]

 

Could just as easily vote Eld atp.

 

 

"Sooh is sick, but I expect her to always and in every game be acting the same as she did last time she was town" - What?

"She has a null stance on Eldrick" - After about six hours of D1 I had a null stance on a guy who arguably plays strangely and is often mislynched for being odd. That's really scummy. 

 

Are you for real Zan?

 

Snippy tone here is something I associate more with town!Sooh

 

I don't like that Sooh susses Zander for the claim, it's null at best (for all I disagree with it)

 

Changes hostile to formal after ISO, I don't have a problem with this. I read/understand things very differently depending on my mood.

 

I DO have a problem with maintaining the vote for not seeing town!Zander and the cc. Ironically they're essentially sussing each other for the same thing

 

Then drops Zander, but still has him as scummy

 

There's a lot of posts where she tries to explain her position on Zandre, essentially she still thinks he merits a vote, but she won't get him lynched...

 

Wants us to read her fresh now she's feeling better...

 

 

Prods Eldrick about 'too many nulls' not sure why this pings given she then says she has 2 maybe 3 town...

 

BFG - I believe she's town. She's doing the word and asking questions to help solve the game.

Nyn - I like Nyn's posts as well. Both her attitude and her solving is very towny.

BGrishinko - I like his posts. He seems to be taking in the new atmosphere and try to figure people out. However, this may be the one who pockets me.

 

Turin - I feel like he's trying to figure this out, but I'm not confident in this read. I'm most confident about Turin when I disagree with him the most basically. I will have to go back and look at him more. One of the things that makes me doubt my read is that he is giving me the benefit of the doubt.

Laine - I feel like she's the same Laine as I usually see in her town games, but then again she did fool me last game. I am uncertain about this slot.

 

I'll keep rereading when I get home from work tomorrow, but that's where I'm at right now.

 

Nolder - No idea. Basically I like that he seems some of the same things I see in Zander.

Lily - Also no idea. Must read more closely.

Thane - Could go either way. I can't clear or condemn him.

Eldrick - Weird player. Takes time for me to figure out. He had a post I didn't like earlier about having too many nulls. (Ironic since I have like four nulls myself perhaps) I have mislynched him too many times though. I would like to see him make it beyond D1.

 

Pral - Down here because I didn't understand why he made a push towards me. I know Nyn tried to explain, but I didn't really get that either. Not much else to go on.

Zander - Down here because I have no reason to clear him basically. I don't like the sarcasm and snarky attitude. If either Zander or I are lynched today I recommend a cop view on the other, because I don't think we can be cleared in any other way.

Looking at this list, I'm not sure why Nolder's null given her comment's positive, later explained that it's due to low confidence in being able to correctly read him.

I don't understand why she has Thane as null and Zander as scummy given that she can't clear either of them?

 

She clarifies that the FoS comment was about who he'd FoS'd then town read, can agree with this

 

Tries to explain Laine/Zander

 

Votes Nolder, leap of faith - not sure what to make of this. Superficially it's a underexplained vote on somebody when her top mafia read has an equal train.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree Zander, that's just horrible play and not good for the game at all. Nolder's actions really piss me off right now, and after the last game we had together I have some real issues with his play in general. Whatever.

 

If Im not dead we're lunching Sooh tomorrow.

 

Seriously Zander.

 

If this is your town game you're no better than Nolder.

 

Dislike this post :/ but more on a fundamental level

 

 

 

TLDR:

 

Pretty much where I was before. Some early game stuff that pings. She's had a relatively broad focus pre Zander, her position on Zander is very hard to understand/follow. Her vote on Nolder looks sketchy superficially, her posts at end of day seem designed to make Zander feel bad which is pretty scummy.

 

There are snippy posts, and snippy parts of posts that I think comes from Town!Sooh more often, but I don't know if there are enough.

 

The biggest concern is how (relatively) absent she's been since she's felt 'better'. I don't know how much I can put down to illness and how much to alignment. As I said earlier I don't normally have to 'look' to see town!Sooh, the past couple of games she's just been somebody I town read and move on, and occasionally tinfoil on, but generally just leave her as town for #reasons. I don't feel that this time. It's not that I dislike her posts, I'm just not seeing the intent to solve that I'm used to.

 

I can easily see this being sickMafia!Sooh, I can also easily see this being sickTown!Sooh I have no idea how to tell the difference. There's nowhere near enough for me to clear her yet.

[Turin Turambar]

Okay running out of time tonight. Brief overviews/thoughts about Z and Alanna...

 

Both have attempted to get town read for thongs that don't justify a proper town read. Both had someone I am suspicious of (Thane) much higher than I think is justified all day and now are in Alanna's case backing off her lean and in Zander's case trying to dismiss that he ever had him so high by saying it was a slight read and he wasn't "clearing" him. He flat out refused to listen to anything about Thane tho. They both went at Nolder hard. Alanna basically guaranteed he would flip mafia. The Sooh push is not great imo either. Last thing I have noticed is they both have exhibited certain traits of mafia!Cory. Biggest is being dismissive of any idea they could be mafia. The way they have worked together is something I can't get past As well.

 

Bottom line. I see them as mafia.

 

Third member is either Thane and they are carrying him like Cory does his wolfmates, or a deep wolf. haven't been able to see candidates there yet. Shot in dark would be BG or maybe Nyn.

[Turin Turambar]

Good night.

[Sooh]

Sooh part 2 of ?

 

 

reaction test

 

 

 

Slightly weirded out that BG has called out literally every post containing his name EXCEPT my joke vote on him.

 

 

Well, you did say you had played here before, and my vote on you was my welcome and hello. 

 

Calling you out on it was however a reaction test.

 

 

 

Well, you did say you had played here before, and my vote on you was my welcome and hello. 

 

Calling you out on it was however a reaction test.

 

*itching to say "fair enough"....*

Well said. Seems legit for now.

 

 

 

 

 

Well, you did say you had played here before, and my vote on you was my welcome and hello. 

 

Calling you out on it was however a reaction test.

What did you get from it?

 

That your new avi is going to drive me insane!

 

No, seriously. I don't know yet. I think the fact that he dropped the issue is a good thing. Initial reaction I was a bit meh to, but latest post is better purely based on the fact that he isn't pursuing a tunnel on me based on it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, you did say you had played here before, and my vote on you was my welcome and hello. 

 

Calling you out on it was however a reaction test.

What did you get from it?

 

That your new avi is going to drive me insane!

 

No, seriously. I don't know yet. I think the fact that he dropped the issue is a good thing. Initial reaction I was a bit meh to, but latest post is better purely based on the fact that he isn't pursuing a tunnel on me based on it.

 

Before his latest post what made you think he was going to tunnel?

 

It's not an exact science, but the whole, when I pointed a finger at him he just turned around and went "Oh yeah, but you pointing a finger at me or even talking to me in the first place, now THAT's scummy!" (parphrased into basically how I read it) It could have easily turned into a tunnel, at least from my POV. Then again, I don't know BG and don't know how he reacts, but imagine if it was Zander ( ).

 

Anyway, please read my posts today with the consideration that I'm sick as a dog and my husband is the sweetest on earth for making dinner for me, again.

 

 

 

Day 1 is a whole 'nother ball game when you don't know people's meta. It's kind of refreshing actually. 

 

 

 

 

 

what happened the past two pages? Temporary insanity? Reads like it, sheesh.

??? With regards to what?

 

 

This is a question that needs answering. Also high five on the avatar. 

 

I like Sooh's approach here. She doesn't know anything about me or my meta. So she pokes at me to learn more. Day 1 is all about the subtle pokes and seeing how people react. Underreactions and over reactions are the only meat we really have to go on. 

 

@Turin - I noticed the same soft claim thing but was kind of sitting on it to see if Zander was going to bring it up again or make a big deal out of it again. It always is fishy to me when people bring up claims so early either way, but not knowing meta wasn't sure what to make of it.

 

I think I'm willing to [v]Zander [/v] for now for this reason. Good as any at this point.

 

 

 

 

 

 

this conversation feels very familiar

 

I'm not sure I completely buy Sooh's earlier response either

Buy which response?

 

Oh, and before I forget. Zander, you're not at all Zander this game. You seem hostile, defensive, FOSing everyone (at least until recalibrating with Cory), and I don't see at all the townie Zander that I've come to expect. This has nothing to do with volume. It has to do with tone. You're using vocabulary that seems un-Zander and that is why I'll

 

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[v]Zander[/v]

 

Regarding the BG tunnel

 

I dunno, I need to muse a bit

 

I may have explained it in a bad way. Like, I was thinking that IF BG is that type of scum when he is scum he might latch on to that and just never let it go, no matter what I said or did to explain myself. It's possible that tunnel is the wrong word, but sustained suspicion maybe?

 

 

 

My response to # 331 which seemed to break my post when I quoted it:

 

I "dragged Laine in" by pointing out what I thought was an inconsistency in Lily's play. I found it weird how she would go from voting Zander to voting somebody who was pushing Zander. I actually find that that might suggest that Laine isn't partnered with any of the two, rather than dragging her into something. It was Lily's actions I was talking about, in regards to Laine. 

 

Lmk if I need to explain this further.

 

 

 

 

 

 

But, uh? Reaction testing on someone you have never played with?

That's a bit [v]Sooh[/v] level play.

There's such a thing as generic reactions, which is what I was looking for. If you couldn't test for reactions on players you haven't played with before, what do you then do to gauge them?

 

Tell me then, what reaction from BG would have made you suspect he was scum? Or what reaction would have made you sure he was town.

 

Generic reactions doesn't make any sense.

 

 

As for reactions. I have later explained what I found after the test. Sometimes, when you do make a test like that, you don't know what you're looking for until you see it. I can't possibly know how anyone will react to pressure, but I can judge based on their reactions what I think their likely motivation is. 

 

So, no, I can't give you a list of do's and don't's with regards to reaction tests. All I can say is how I interpret their choice of actions after the fact.

 

 

 

This still bugs me from both of them and I cannot explain why.

 

BG you said you liked Sooh's test, what did you think of her interpretation of your actions?

 

Sooh, I know you've tried to explain I just still don't understand

 

Essentially at this point my thoughts on Sooh are that she's sounding off, probably due to illness and that means nothing for her alignment

 

I wanted to prod him and get him talking to me, and from that assess his alignment. I am not sure I understand what you're not getting about that? Is it how I read him later? Otherwise can you please explain?

[Sooh]

 

Sooh part 2 of ?

 

 

reaction test

 

 

 

Slightly weirded out that BG has called out literally every post containing his name EXCEPT my joke vote on him.

 

 

Well, you did say you had played here before, and my vote on you was my welcome and hello. 

 

Calling you out on it was however a reaction test.

 

 

 

Well, you did say you had played here before, and my vote on you was my welcome and hello. 

 

Calling you out on it was however a reaction test.

 

*itching to say "fair enough"....*

Well said. Seems legit for now.

 

 

 

 

 

Well, you did say you had played here before, and my vote on you was my welcome and hello. 

 

Calling you out on it was however a reaction test.

What did you get from it?

 

That your new avi is going to drive me insane!

 

No, seriously. I don't know yet. I think the fact that he dropped the issue is a good thing. Initial reaction I was a bit meh to, but latest post is better purely based on the fact that he isn't pursuing a tunnel on me based on it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, you did say you had played here before, and my vote on you was my welcome and hello. 

 

Calling you out on it was however a reaction test.

What did you get from it?

 

That your new avi is going to drive me insane!

 

No, seriously. I don't know yet. I think the fact that he dropped the issue is a good thing. Initial reaction I was a bit meh to, but latest post is better purely based on the fact that he isn't pursuing a tunnel on me based on it.

 

Before his latest post what made you think he was going to tunnel?

 

It's not an exact science, but the whole, when I pointed a finger at him he just turned around and went "Oh yeah, but you pointing a finger at me or even talking to me in the first place, now THAT's scummy!" (parphrased into basically how I read it) It could have easily turned into a tunnel, at least from my POV. Then again, I don't know BG and don't know how he reacts, but imagine if it was Zander ( ).

 

Anyway, please read my posts today with the consideration that I'm sick as a dog and my husband is the sweetest on earth for making dinner for me, again.

 

 

 

Day 1 is a whole 'nother ball game when you don't know people's meta. It's kind of refreshing actually. 

 

 

 

 

 

what happened the past two pages? Temporary insanity? Reads like it, sheesh.

??? With regards to what?

 

 

This is a question that needs answering. Also high five on the avatar. 

 

I like Sooh's approach here. She doesn't know anything about me or my meta. So she pokes at me to learn more. Day 1 is all about the subtle pokes and seeing how people react. Underreactions and over reactions are the only meat we really have to go on. 

 

@Turin - I noticed the same soft claim thing but was kind of sitting on it to see if Zander was going to bring it up again or make a big deal out of it again. It always is fishy to me when people bring up claims so early either way, but not knowing meta wasn't sure what to make of it.

 

I think I'm willing to [v]Zander [/v] for now for this reason. Good as any at this point.

 

 

 

 

 

 

this conversation feels very familiar

 

I'm not sure I completely buy Sooh's earlier response either

Buy which response?

 

Oh, and before I forget. Zander, you're not at all Zander this game. You seem hostile, defensive, FOSing everyone (at least until recalibrating with Cory), and I don't see at all the townie Zander that I've come to expect. This has nothing to do with volume. It has to do with tone. You're using vocabulary that seems un-Zander and that is why I'll

 

[unvote]

[v]Zander[/v]

 

Regarding the BG tunnel

 

I dunno, I need to muse a bit

 

I may have explained it in a bad way. Like, I was thinking that IF BG is that type of scum when he is scum he might latch on to that and just never let it go, no matter what I said or did to explain myself. It's possible that tunnel is the wrong word, but sustained suspicion maybe?

 

 

 

My response to # 331 which seemed to break my post when I quoted it:

 

I "dragged Laine in" by pointing out what I thought was an inconsistency in Lily's play. I found it weird how she would go from voting Zander to voting somebody who was pushing Zander. I actually find that that might suggest that Laine isn't partnered with any of the two, rather than dragging her into something. It was Lily's actions I was talking about, in regards to Laine. 

 

Lmk if I need to explain this further.

 

 

 

 

 

 

But, uh? Reaction testing on someone you have never played with?

That's a bit [v]Sooh[/v] level play.

There's such a thing as generic reactions, which is what I was looking for. If you couldn't test for reactions on players you haven't played with before, what do you then do to gauge them?

 

Tell me then, what reaction from BG would have made you suspect he was scum? Or what reaction would have made you sure he was town.

 

Generic reactions doesn't make any sense.

 

 

As for reactions. I have later explained what I found after the test. Sometimes, when you do make a test like that, you don't know what you're looking for until you see it. I can't possibly know how anyone will react to pressure, but I can judge based on their reactions what I think their likely motivation is. 

 

So, no, I can't give you a list of do's and don't's with regards to reaction tests. All I can say is how I interpret their choice of actions after the fact.

 

 

 

This still bugs me from both of them and I cannot explain why.

 

BG you said you liked Sooh's test, what did you think of her interpretation of your actions?

 

Sooh, I know you've tried to explain I just still don't understand

 

Essentially at this point my thoughts on Sooh are that she's sounding off, probably due to illness and that means nothing for her alignment

 

 

 

 

Sooh doesn't know anything about me. Makes sense she'd want to prod at me a little to gain some info.

 

(Also, you know how bad I want to type "He" everytime I talk about Sooh. )

 

Oki, I'm curious! Why?

[alannalynn]

This is quite frankly hilarious. I mean, really Turin?

[alannalynn]

I can't wait for you to push my lynch and me flip town. Your reads are terrible this game, that's why I think you're town, BTW

[alannalynn]

Lolololol

[alannalynn]

I wanna see BFG's Iso of me, personally.

[bgrishinko]

 

 

 

 

 

Sooh part 2 of ?reaction test

 

 

 

Slightly weirded out that BG has called out literally every post containing his name EXCEPT my joke vote on him.

 

 

 

Well, you did say you had played here before, and my vote on you was my welcome and hello. 

 

Calling you out on it was however a reaction test.

 

 

 

 

Well, you did say you had played here before, and my vote on you was my welcome and hello. 

 

Calling you out on it was however a reaction test.

 

 

*itching to say "fair enough"....*

Well said. Seems legit for now.

 

 

 

 

Well, you did say you had played here before, and my vote on you was my welcome and hello. 

 

Calling you out on it was however a reaction test.

 

What did you get from it?

That your new avi is going to drive me insane!

 

No, seriously. I don't know yet. I think the fact that he dropped the issue is a good thing. Initial reaction I was a bit meh to, but latest post is better purely based on the fact that he isn't pursuing a tunnel on me based on it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, you did say you had played here before, and my vote on you was my welcome and hello. 

 

Calling you out on it was however a reaction test.

 

What did you get from it?

That your new avi is going to drive me insane!

 

No, seriously. I don't know yet. I think the fact that he dropped the issue is a good thing. Initial reaction I was a bit meh to, but latest post is better purely based on the fact that he isn't pursuing a tunnel on me based on it.

Before his latest post what made you think he was going to tunnel?

It's not an exact science, but the whole, when I pointed a finger at him he just turned around and went "Oh yeah, but you pointing a finger at me or even talking to me in the first place, now THAT's scummy!" (parphrased into basically how I read it) It could have easily turned into a tunnel, at least from my POV. Then again, I don't know BG and don't know how he reacts, but imagine if it was Zander ( ).

 

Anyway, please read my posts today with the consideration that I'm sick as a dog and my husband is the sweetest on earth for making dinner for me, again.

 

 

Day 1 is a whole 'nother ball game when you don't know people's meta. It's kind of refreshing actually. 

 

 

 

 

what happened the past two pages? Temporary insanity? Reads like it, sheesh.

 

??? With regards to what?

 

This is a question that needs answering. Also high five on the avatar. 

 

I like Sooh's approach here. She doesn't know anything about me or my meta. So she pokes at me to learn more. Day 1 is all about the subtle pokes and seeing how people react. Underreactions and over reactions are the only meat we really have to go on. 

 

@Turin - I noticed the same soft claim thing but was kind of sitting on it to see if Zander was going to bring it up again or make a big deal out of it again. It always is fishy to me when people bring up claims so early either way, but not knowing meta wasn't sure what to make of it.

 

I think I'm willing to [v]Zander [/v] for now for this reason. Good as any at this point.

 

 

 

 

 

this conversation feels very familiar

I'm not sure I completely buy Sooh's earlier response either

 

Buy which response?

Oh, and before I forget. Zander, you're not at all Zander this game. You seem hostile, defensive, FOSing everyone (at least until recalibrating with Cory), and I don't see at all the townie Zander that I've come to expect. This has nothing to do with volume. It has to do with tone. You're using vocabulary that seems un-Zander and that is why I'll

[unvote]

[v]Zander[/v]

Regarding the BG tunnel

I dunno, I need to muse a bit

I may have explained it in a bad way. Like, I was thinking that IF BG is that type of scum when he is scum he might latch on to that and just never let it go, no matter what I said or did to explain myself. It's possible that tunnel is the wrong word, but sustained suspicion maybe?

 

 

My response to # 331 which seemed to break my post when I quoted it:

 

I "dragged Laine in" by pointing out what I thought was an inconsistency in Lily's play. I found it weird how she would go from voting Zander to voting somebody who was pushing Zander. I actually find that that might suggest that Laine isn't partnered with any of the two, rather than dragging her into something. It was Lily's actions I was talking about, in regards to Laine. 

 

Lmk if I need to explain this further.

 

 

 

 

But, uh? Reaction testing on someone you have never played with?

That's a bit [v]Sooh[/v] level play.

 

There's such a thing as generic reactions, which is what I was looking for. If you couldn't test for reactions on players you haven't played with before, what do you then do to gauge them?

Tell me then, what reaction from BG would have made you suspect he was scum? Or what reaction would have made you sure he was town.

Generic reactions doesn't make any sense.

 

As for reactions. I have later explained what I found after the test. Sometimes, when you do make a test like that, you don't know what you're looking for until you see it. I can't possibly know how anyone will react to pressure, but I can judge based on their reactions what I think their likely motivation is. 

 

So, no, I can't give you a list of do's and don't's with regards to reaction tests. All I can say is how I interpret their choice of actions after the fact.

 

This still bugs me from both of them and I cannot explain why.

BG you said you liked Sooh's test, what did you think of her interpretation of your actions?

Sooh, I know you've tried to explain I just still don't understand

Essentially at this point my thoughts on Sooh are that she's sounding off, probably due to illness and that means nothing for her alignment

 

 

 

Sooh doesn't know anything about me. Makes sense she'd want to prod at me a little to gain some info.

 

(Also, you know how bad I want to type "He" everytime I talk about Sooh. )

Oki, I'm curious! Why?

 

 

I have this weird problem. The very first time I see a username I assign a gender to it in my brain unconsciously. Then it gets stuck and I have a really hard time reversing it for some reason. Compound that with speaking Chinese at home, which is my 2nd language, and spoken Chinese "he" and "she" are the same.... *shrug*. Or maybe it's the fact me and my best friends are all string players so I tend to associate musical terms to them.

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

 

Sooh part 2 of ?reaction test

 

 

Slightly weirded out that BG has called out literally every post containing his name EXCEPT my joke vote on him.

 

 

Well, you did say you had played here before, and my vote on you was my welcome and hello. 

 

Calling you out on it was however a reaction test.

 

 

 

Well, you did say you had played here before, and my vote on you was my welcome and hello. 

 

Calling you out on it was however a reaction test.

 

*itching to say "fair enough"....*

Well said. Seems legit for now.

 

 

 

 

Well, you did say you had played here before, and my vote on you was my welcome and hello. 

 

Calling you out on it was however a reaction test.

What did you get from it?

That your new avi is going to drive me insane!

 

No, seriously. I don't know yet. I think the fact that he dropped the issue is a good thing. Initial reaction I was a bit meh to, but latest post is better purely based on the fact that he isn't pursuing a tunnel on me based on it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, you did say you had played here before, and my vote on you was my welcome and hello. 

 

Calling you out on it was however a reaction test.

What did you get from it?

That your new avi is going to drive me insane!

 

No, seriously. I don't know yet. I think the fact that he dropped the issue is a good thing. Initial reaction I was a bit meh to, but latest post is better purely based on the fact that he isn't pursuing a tunnel on me based on it.

Before his latest post what made you think he was going to tunnel?

It's not an exact science, but the whole, when I pointed a finger at him he just turned around and went "Oh yeah, but you pointing a finger at me or even talking to me in the first place, now THAT's scummy!" (parphrased into basically how I read it) It could have easily turned into a tunnel, at least from my POV. Then again, I don't know BG and don't know how he reacts, but imagine if it was Zander ( ).

 

Anyway, please read my posts today with the consideration that I'm sick as a dog and my husband is the sweetest on earth for making dinner for me, again.

 

 

Day 1 is a whole 'nother ball game when you don't know people's meta. It's kind of refreshing actually. 

 

 

 

what happened the past two pages? Temporary insanity? Reads like it, sheesh.

??? With regards to what?

 

This is a question that needs answering. Also high five on the avatar. 

 

I like Sooh's approach here. She doesn't know anything about me or my meta. So she pokes at me to learn more. Day 1 is all about the subtle pokes and seeing how people react. Underreactions and over reactions are the only meat we really have to go on. 

 

@Turin - I noticed the same soft claim thing but was kind of sitting on it to see if Zander was going to bring it up again or make a big deal out of it again. It always is fishy to me when people bring up claims so early either way, but not knowing meta wasn't sure what to make of it.

 

I think I'm willing to [v]Zander [/v] for now for this reason. Good as any at this point.

 

 

 

 

 

this conversation feels very familiar

I'm not sure I completely buy Sooh's earlier response either

Buy which response?

Oh, and before I forget. Zander, you're not at all Zander this game. You seem hostile, defensive, FOSing everyone (at least until recalibrating with Cory), and I don't see at all the townie Zander that I've come to expect. This has nothing to do with volume. It has to do with tone. You're using vocabulary that seems un-Zander and that is why I'll

[unvote]

[v]Zander[/v]

Regarding the BG tunnel

I dunno, I need to muse a bit

I may have explained it in a bad way. Like, I was thinking that IF BG is that type of scum when he is scum he might latch on to that and just never let it go, no matter what I said or did to explain myself. It's possible that tunnel is the wrong word, but sustained suspicion maybe?

 

 

My response to # 331 which seemed to break my post when I quoted it:

 

I "dragged Laine in" by pointing out what I thought was an inconsistency in Lily's play. I found it weird how she would go from voting Zander to voting somebody who was pushing Zander. I actually find that that might suggest that Laine isn't partnered with any of the two, rather than dragging her into something. It was Lily's actions I was talking about, in regards to Laine. 

 

Lmk if I need to explain this further.

 

 

 

But, uh? Reaction testing on someone you have never played with?

That's a bit [v]Sooh[/v] level play.

There's such a thing as generic reactions, which is what I was looking for. If you couldn't test for reactions on players you haven't played with before, what do you then do to gauge them?

Tell me then, what reaction from BG would have made you suspect he was scum? Or what reaction would have made you sure he was town.

Generic reactions doesn't make any sense.

 

As for reactions. I have later explained what I found after the test. Sometimes, when you do make a test like that, you don't know what you're looking for until you see it. I can't possibly know how anyone will react to pressure, but I can judge based on their reactions what I think their likely motivation is. 

 

So, no, I can't give you a list of do's and don't's with regards to reaction tests. All I can say is how I interpret their choice of actions after the fact.

 

This still bugs me from both of them and I cannot explain why.

BG you said you liked Sooh's test, what did you think of her interpretation of your actions?

Sooh, I know you've tried to explain I just still don't understand

Essentially at this point my thoughts on Sooh are that she's sounding off, probably due to illness and that means nothing for her alignment

 

 

 

Sooh doesn't know anything about me. Makes sense she'd want to prod at me a little to gain some info.

 

(Also, you know how bad I want to type "He" everytime I talk about Sooh. )

Oki, I'm curious! Why?

 

 

I have this weird problem. The very first time I see a username I assign a gender to it in my brain unconsciously. Then it gets stuck and I have a really hard time reversing it for some reason. Compound that with speaking Chinese at home, which is my 2nd language, and spoken Chinese "he" and "she" are the same.... *shrug*. Or maybe it's the fact me and my best friends are all string players so I tend to associate musical terms to them.

 

Assign me as a clarinet player then. New association, new read?  I dunno how it works, but it might. What do you play? Cello? 

[bgrishinko]

Indeed. Cello it is. Been playing in orchestras since 2nd grade. I'm not competitive or soloistic, I just enjoy the group play so I play in community symphonies and quartets and stuff. My buddies and I would stay up till 2 am jamming apocalyptica music we transcribed.