[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

[BFG]

 

I don't understand Eldrick, and it's not a confident read in any way shape or form. But the pushes on him bother me. I'll need to wait till I'm at a computer to MQ to go into more detail on his content and the pushes on him.

I don't understand him either (in case that wasn't blatantly obvious). And usually when we're in a game together, at the back of my head I tend to dismiss him as derptown because I'm like.... oh I always think he's scummy cause he makes zero sense... and my scumhunting is largely based on finding logic flaws. So when he's town, that makes him an easy lynchbait. And that mindset works great.... except when he's scum and I screw myself over. It's kind of a problem.

This exactly lol

[Sooh]

I have too many nulls. I really need to fix that. Hopefully I'll have a better feel after we get some results.

This pings in all the wrong ways.

[BFG]

(there is a new post - if it has a vote, I'm going to shank somebody)

[Nynaeve]

 

 

Nyn how do you feel about Thane now he's come back in thread?

I don't know. He's one of the players I want to ISO. There was one WoT of him specifically that I need to read thoroughly because I kinda skimmed it when I was half asleep and trying to catch up. I'll get back to you in a bit after I read through.

Ok, thanks :)

 

 

So I ISOed Thane's posts. I still like the energy and excitement in the start. I don't think he's done enough to maintain it content wise atp. I mean he gave a read list, but it's a little consensusy suspects wise (ie Nol, Eld, Sooh), which were all getting a bit of heat already. Prolly would have felt better if he brought some fresh angle into play. At the same time I don't think D1 is his strong suit (<3 Thane). And I think it would be prudent to see what he makes of things once we do have flips, because he seems pretty intent on that. And I want to see how he follows through on that. I don't have an issue with the topics he did touch on.... like the breadcrumbing, Zander/Laine perceived connection by some and so on.

 

So overall he did fall short after this early posts so that drops him back to null in my eyes. 

[Nynaeve]

Looking at Pral's content, I don't really mind his nudges at Sooh for her reaction testing BG. I think it was warranted.

 

 

My issue is the vagueness of this post. I would like Pral to expand on who of that group he thinks is most likely to be scum and why... otherwise this post is completely useless.

 

Something about the whole Lily exchange with Zander, Nolder voting Lily for it and unvoting her with just an explanation from her. And, Alanna being dragged into it by Sooh. There is definitely a bad one in this exchange,

 

 

Another thing that's bother me is that Sooh is basically the only one he's bothered looking into.

 

 

 

So... suffice to say I'd like a read list from Pral asap.

[Nynaeve]

[v]Nolder[/v]  wakey wakey, sleeping beauty 

[BFG]

@Nyn, that's fair. So your opinion on this?

 

 

Laine, I skimmed through earlier, what do you mean by mafia!Thane not putting in this much 'effort'

In my experience I don't recall Thane being as engaged as mafia, and I associate that with an effort level, that's not quantity of posts but quality of posts. He's been posting and putting forth effort that I don't associate with mafia!Thane and his attitude toward the game is also townie, thus my read of him.

[BFG]

[v]Nolder[/v] wakey wakey, sleeping beauty

Don't hate it

[Nynaeve]

@Nyn, that's fair. So your opinion on this?

 

 

Laine, I skimmed through earlier, what do you mean by mafia!Thane not putting in this much 'effort'

In my experience I don't recall Thane being as engaged as mafia, and I associate that with an effort level, that's not quantity of posts but quality of posts. He's been posting and putting forth effort that I don't associate with mafia!Thane and his attitude toward the game is also townie, thus my read of him.

 

 

I think Thane does tend to fade into the background when he's scum and do the coasting thang. I just don't think his contributions so far fall into the high effort level. It's mediocre imo. Maybe it's RL related, maybe not. That's why I want to put a pin on it and see. 

[Nynaeve]

ie I don't think he's fading into the background... but i wouldn't call it high effort either.

[BFG]

Following may be a triple post, so sorry (shoddy internet connection)

Not quite what I meant.

 

Laine is considering moving Thane to her number 2 town read this game, based on the quality and effort in his posts.

 

But that's Laine not Thane and she'll likely be my focus later, at the moment all I can remember are her Thane read, that she has Nolder as a mafia read without referring to any posts he's made in her catch up posts (mostly comes from Turins posts pointing it out) and that she finds Lily scummyish for early posts and doesn't appear to address Lilys responses, but I need to check which posts she refers to, to be sure that's true

[BFG]

Meh, I'll wait to see what she comes back to my earlier question with

[Zander?]

Laine/Zander

 

 

 

Eldrick is not awake, first posts of the game.... meh, it's D1. Personally i don't heed it much attention and think the game will start once more people check in. I'm excited to play with everybody here, so i hope the players will show up quickly and we can get it going

 

Response to Turin

 

 

what happened the past two pages? Temporary insanity? Reads like it, sheesh.

 

Generic comment that has no conclusions

 

 

 

 

what happened the past two pages? Temporary insanity? Reads like it, sheesh.

??? With regards to what?

 

the voting done by people... i'm still trying to figure out what happened and what triggered it....

 

 

Something and nothing 

 

I'll spoiler this, just to avoid the HUGE WoT that's coming:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what happened the past two pages? Temporary insanity? Reads like it, sheesh.

??? With regards to what?

 

the voting done by people... i'm still trying to figure out what happened and what triggered it....

 

Any success?

 

for me, not really, no. I've read over it a few times, but it still makes my head hurt. I'll definately look back at it once we have a flip or two though, maybe it'll all come together then.

 

Something about the whole Lily exchange with Zander, Nolder voting Lily for it and unvoting her with just an explanation from her. And, Alanna being dragged into it by Sooh. There is definitely a bad one in this exchange,

definately? don't know. But highly possible. But, as said above, i think it's a good thing to look back after some flips. Then it'd make more sense.

 

Day 1 is a whole 'nother ball game when you don't know people's meta. It's kind of refreshing actually. 

 

 

 

 

 

what happened the past two pages? Temporary insanity? Reads like it, sheesh.

??? With regards to what?

 

 

This is a question that needs answering. Also high five on the avatar. 

 

I like Sooh's approach here. She doesn't know anything about me or my meta. So she pokes at me to learn more. Day 1 is all about the subtle pokes and seeing how people react. Underreactions and over reactions are the only meat we really have to go on. 

 

@Turin - I noticed the same soft claim thing but was kind of sitting on it to see if Zander was going to bring it up again or make a big deal out of it again. It always is fishy to me when people bring up claims so early either way, but not knowing meta wasn't sure what to make of it.

 

I think I'm willing to [v]Zander [/v] for now for this reason. Good as any at this point.

 

bolded: I did answer, and came back to it earlier this post.  purple: agreed, but there's subtle poking and poking with jackhammers. Both give reactions, surely, but poking with jackhammers is extreme. 

 

 

BFG / BG avis are killing me. I demand BFG switch back.

 

I'll be back, I need a shower because I'm gross.

It's worse because BFG's avi is a G clef, while BG's is an F clef

 

someone knows their music *approves*

 

 

Do we always get into real content this quickly on DM now.

 

I miss the foreplay

 

It used to be all fun and games D1 and maybe half a day of 'real play' just before DL. Those times are seemingly dead and buried indeed. But, in this game, i like the lower postcount mixed with high content. It makes games fun and easier to read.

 

Loving the avis for this game

Personally, they confuse me... but i'll manage.

 

 

Player Roster:

 

1. Turin

2. Zander

3. Sooh

4. Nolder

5. Laine

6. Nyn

7. Pral

8. Eldrick

9. Lily

10. Thane

11. BGrishinko

12. BFG

 

These were dark times, alright, but the Winchesters were used to it. With good friends, good weapons, and more stubbornness than was natural, they would rid the world of the demons who terrorized innocent people. The only problem was, they could look like anyone. It was time to do some hunting.

 

It is now Day One! A deadline has been set for Thursday, February 4^th at 1pm. (I fly out at 5pm, so I wanted to make certain I would be here.)

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

Open for interpretation?

 

the bolded? mods put anything in there, and i don't know if they hint at anything in their opening posts. Anything is open for interpretation, but if it would do any good? I dunno. Mods will mod

 

Clearly not. Just not directly with what I was paying attention to, apparently.

 

My bad. [unvote]

 

Back to trying to sleep.

Eldrick confirmed not paying attention, lol

 

Probably lookin something like this:

 

Alanna

Zander

BFG

Turin

Thane

bgrishinko

Pralaya

Nyn

Lily

Nolder

Sooh

Eldrick

 

If you want explanations, I'm just going to YOLO really quick. I've explained my thoughts on Zander, even with his changes I believe he is town, but I probably wouldn't lynch him today regardless because I want more of a sample from him. Anyways, he's town slotted. BFG is feeling more BFG than in Clov's game, which is a strange thing to say but I wasn't really reading her as town last game and here I am feeling a lot better about her. Turin has been providing thoughts and I've mostly liked what he's had to say, I've also enjoyed his pushes and the reasoning behind them. Thane is skating by on his early excitement, but I want MOAR to get a stronger read either way. BG would be my weakest town read since it's based purely on gut at this point, so we'll see what happens there as well. Of course Pralaya is purely null- I don't see any extra activity from him even with a smaller page count so I'd really like for him to get in here and give us his thoughts. Nyn is null for me as well, there are some things I'm looking for from her which I haven't seen so I don't feel comfortable calling her town. Lily is there for her vote thing, Nolder for his, and an overall weirdness. Plus Nolder is pinging for trying to buddy me and an overall gut-scum feeling. Sooh is all over the place and it's frustrating because I don't know what is due to sickness or what could be scummy, so I'll wait for her to improve. She definitely doesn't feel like town!Sooh at this point. Eldrick is different from his normal weird and not in a good way. I agree that some of his posts feel forced and he seems to be posting more jokes than content at this point when I would prefer the opposite especially when some are making an extra effort to tone it down.

Actually, not a bad list at all. I'm here at this point:

 

Thane

Turin

Alanna

BFG

Zander

bgrishinko

Nyn

Pralaya

 

 Sooh

Lily

Nolder

Eldrick 

 

 

The order would be "most likely to be town to least likely to be town" at this point. I'm really liking Turin so far. Zander,  who i am slowly starting the figure out (the lolololol-guy was easier to read imo, but whatever), is in the town pile for now. Though early softclaiming and all, not really a fan of it. Eldrick, at this point, looking worst of all. Nolder's play gives me a little tingle when reading it. not going to put him to the townie folk, slight wolfie lean. all the other people? If you're black, i still need some time to figure you out, so you're null, for now. You're green without comment? I like the tone and/or gameplay so far

 

 

 

 

I'll be around some, working this night (been nearly 2 years since i had my last nightshift, ugh)

 

 

Bunch of quotes that have no relevance to his list, which is mostly unexplained except 'tone' 

 

I can, yes.

 

ohh... 

 

wait a sec... 

 

you want me to? Ok, that works:

 

Overall, i like Turin's involvement in the game. Questioning, poking, investigating. He's 99.9% town imo this game. When questioned, he does try to explain, in his best way, the point he wanted to make. 

Sooh: I don't know. I can't point a finger and say 'town' or 'wolf'. I'll give her some time to get better and perhaps I'll be able to read her better later on in the game.

Nolder: As i said, it's a feeling at the back of my mind when reading his posts this game. Spidey sense, sorta. It's not a full blown wolf-accusation yet, but he's on my radar for now

Response to Zander

 

 

 

What am I missing?

 

The only game (I remember) he's given out a unreasoned list as town was GnD when he was catching up on 170odd pages in a day. In other games as town most of his reads list is substantiated by thoughts/opinions/questions/responses already in thread or in his catch up post which is game related, this game there's none. In Nightmare he was behind a lot of the game, but his thread presence/content was still better than this game, and his reads were substantiated in thread despite the fact he had about 10 posts when he made his early reads.

 

At the moment his posting is reminding me most of Diablo, the reads list is a quarter step in the right direction but the fact they're unsubstantiated is massively concerning.

 

I have higher expectations of his town game than this :/

 

 

His effort level is there, he seems excited and committed to playing the game and has, for Thane a fairly decent thread presence.

 

Stuff I tend to associate with his Town game.  If I'm wrong on Thane he'll be easy enough to catch imo.

 

 

More agro Zander. Not really a good look. Maybe Sooh is right. 

 

I'll give my whole list in a while I wanna check something first. Right now top of my head WTL is Nolder, Eldrick, Thane, Zander, Alanna, Pral. Not really in any order at present. I will review and sort.

 

Whats agro irt to Mafia?

 

What exactly is Sooh right about Turin cause she's yet to prove or validate 1 thing about her case on me?

 

 

You're welcome :D

 

Thank you?

 

1. Turin: Town by PM

2. Zander-mafia (soft claimed one of the brothers) Soft claiming is bad to me. most likely mafia driven in this case. Has felt like posts edgy like he is chafing at not being allowed to use his smo of posting his way to town read. I don't think the early post was a joke. I don't like his responses to my calling him on his soft claim. 

3. Sooh-null to town: This is in part due to my thoughts on Z/Laine.

4. Nolder-null to mafia. I'm going back and forth about who is more likely mafia. Nolder may just be being weird here. I think I'm going to let him off today.

5. Laine-mafia. See thoughts in above post.

6. Nyn- null to town. Not too much content. understandable due to RL. (I hope your dog is getting better) Nothing really pinging at this time.

7. Pral- null to mafia. Not much content but I don't like the one real post where he called out 5 players and said there must be one baddie in there. looks like trying to be useful while not really being useful.

8. Eldrick- mafia lean. Early Thane thing not good to me. some other things that I can't  recall all of right now. 

9. Lily- null. Lily being maleable is kind of how I remember her. Add in some RL distraction and I don't have any real read on her at this time.

10. Thane- mafia. I see all sorts of interaction between him and others I am suspicious of. Z and Laine have him as too high on their lists IMO. Eldrick may have spewed him maf. Plus his reaction to Eldrick and then my vote on him feels a bit of the same "don't engage and hope it goes away" that mafia will use on early votes. My only real concern is that it may be a case of mafia leaving him for a later mislynch. 

 

11. BGrishinko- null to town. Not much to see here so far. Call it a gut read.

12. BFG-  Town. Like her stances. Like her posts. 

 

Obviously I have too many mafia/leans. my difficulty is that I am seeing two distinct possibilities. Z/Laine is something weird to me. Z mostly for tone. His posts feel snippy. Laine for her determination to not allow herself to read Z as mafia despite the things that she says regarding his early "joke". Both of them having Thane too high makes me curious there as well. The other has been Eldrick along with Pral and Nolder?/Thane?. I noted that Eldrick said something to the effect that he wants to see Pral in action. Then that he wants to give him more time. There is no real reasoning there to justify the position tho.

 

Unvote

 

Votre: Zander

 

 

willing to vote Alanna, Thane, Eldrick, Nolder, Pral in that order  

 

So let me get this straight. You're voting me for soft claiming, something Ive only ever done as Town, (yes easy to do that as Mafia as well) something I just did in my last game.  Id like a little more credit then repeating the same thing from last game  You accused me of "shoving it down" people's throats when I only made 1 non responsive post concerning it.

 

Then you say me posting is edgy cause I cant post count my way Town game.  I post just as much as either alignment and have proven more then once each way.  My posting cap is cause I was asked to, so I adjusted me play style some.  But lets make one thing clear if I want to break my post count restrictions, I will because its self imposed.

 

And also you think that in my Scum game instead of coasting off of my normal Minority villa game, I'd change my style completely take the much harder route, repeat the same thing from last game that caused people to suss me and completely avoid the path of least resistance?

 

Give your head a shake,

[Nolder]

#278 @Nolder show me what posts feel off to you and more of what you're thinking.

It's hard to put into words. Looking over the quotes I picked out I am going to go with agreeable again. He seems too agreeable sometimes like he's trying to make people happy and avoid fights. Maybe I'm just crazy though like this one is very much a gut feeling.

 

@BFG Sorry to disappoint. not much to comment on right now. I will go back and address Zander's reaction to my interaction with Lily early on, though. I feel it needs my input, even though it's already been discussed by others.

 

 

One of the things that has bugged me so far was Lily's vote changes. I went back and ISO'd her. They do seem more fluid and towny in that light.

 

 

Z, this is Pral's post.

Something about the whole Lily exchange with Zander, Nolder voting Lily for it and unvoting her with just an explanation from her. And, Alanna being dragged into it by Sooh. There is definitely a bad one in this exchange,

Nolder actually did vote Alanna but then switched to Lily when she also voted Alanna. Then he unvoted Lily immediately after Lily unvoted Alanna.

 

This is where you got your link from, isn't it? It actually makes sense, and I feel bad about sussing you for it. I didn't catch the interaction on my read through.

 

It's highly unlikely that that is the team, and they outed themselves like that, though.

 

It is a weird series of events though, and I'd like to thank you for bringing my attention to it.

 

[Nolder]

 

MOD ANNOUNCEMENT:

 

Due to my traveling, and the good flow of the game, I am going to extend the deadline.  It was previously tomorrow afternoon, and I am going to extend it until Friday at 8pm PST.

 

 

I am very unhappy about this.

[Nynaeve]

I've been reading up on BG. Gotta say I'm not sure what to make of it. Basically he focuses on Lily, Sooh, Zander, Eldrick.

 

Poke at Lily for sowing confusion on purpose. She explains and he kinda takes a step back. The poke was silly imo, cause Lily was just making a cheeky comment imo.

Poke at Sooh for her joke voting someone she hasn't played with and then calling him out on it. She explains and he concedes there was nothing wrong with it.

Poke at Zander cause he doesn't like soft claiming. Votes Zander. Has a back and forth with Zander where he initially thinks he's misrepping him... but that he ends up concluding was just a misunderstanding. Unvotes.

A poke at Eldrick for randomly mentioning Lily's sequence of voting with the conclusion that she looks townie. Votes him. Thinks the timing looks weird and that Eldrick was trying to put suspicion on Lily. An exchange between them ends up with him conceding that it was actually Zander who brought this up and Eldrick was merely responding to it. And that the timing wasn't really random. Unvotes Eldrick.

 

 

Feeling eh about the FoSes. I think the one against Lily was silly as she was (imo) clearly being cheeky. The one against Sooh was fine. But I would have liked it better if he did it before Sooh pointed it out, vs after. Irt Zander, not liking soft claims is fine. I don't like them either, though I'm not sure if it's really true that scum do it more often than town. I really do think it depends on the player in question. But dropping a vote just cause of it seems a bit of a stretch to me. I admit that he could have been trying to do it as a reaction test and he did back off from it after that.... but he's been pretty consistent about backing off from every nudge.... so I dunno. And his nudge at Eldrick is prolly my least favorite one because he nudged and dropped a vote before even bothering to double check that he had his facts straight, which he didn't. 

 

So on one hand I could sort of half buy him just poking around and seeing what gives. On the other hand I'm kinda wondering if he's just throwing sh*t at the fan... and none of it is actually sticking.

 

 

Would like to hear his reads atp to see where he's landed on the players he did engage with and the ones he didn't refer/engage at all.

[Nolder]

I think if I were to underestimate anyone in this game it would be BG purely because I don't have meta on him and don't really know what to expect, so I could be flat out misreading him as town right now, but that's something I'll have to think about later after some flips.

 

I do see a change in Turin a little bit, I feel like he's more solid this game and that's a good thing(?), so I'm looking forward to seeing more from him.

 

Pralaya is silent per usual.

 

Nolder is pinging in that way that he pings when he is mafia but I'm going to give him some space and see what he does first.

Really? Can you be a little more specific?

[Nolder]

 

Pretty much what I attached to my reads list. I find it a little odd that Lily jumped on to me saying my push on her was omgus when she was the first to push me irt my comments on your "joke" post at the beginning. Not sure what to make of that.

 

She also commented on the meta part, that anyone can change their meta but I don't see why I would change something that works and would be effective in getting me town read or potentially netting me a pocket. The fact that i'm self aware of this aspect of my meta doesn't change the fact that it works for me and I'm going to keep using it until it fails me. lol

 

I also highly doubt I'm the scummiest person in the game thus far.

 

Ya Im not sure what Lily is seeing or if she maybe has an agenda.

 

You aren't the scummiest person in this game.

 

I think if I were to underestimate anyone in this game it would be BG purely because I don't have meta on him and don't really know what to expect, so I could be flat out misreading him as town right now, but that's something I'll have to think about later after some flips.

 

I do see a change in Turin a little bit, I feel like he's more solid this game and that's a good thing(?), so I'm looking forward to seeing more from him.

 

Pralaya is silent per usual.

 

Nolder is pinging in that way that he pings when he is mafia but I'm going to give him some space and see what he does first.

 

BG has pinged me this game.  Ive not forgot about him,  His explanation about him saying I misrepped him is hollow at best,

 

Nolder has been very weird this game.

 

Pral well is Pral so I dunno what to make there yet tbh,

 

There was one thing about Nyn earlier that caught me off guard when she didn't push me when I snarked back, but that's probably nothing, potentially something. I'm not going to say it's a ping but I know she likes to prod at me until I react and by not doing that is something I want to keep in mind irt her ability to read me without making me yell at her.

 

Nyn feels pretty towny to me tbqh.

 

Thane putting in the work he has solidifies him as town for me right now, coupled with his eagerness. I could probably slot him right below Zander for that effort he put in. I haven't seen wolf!Thane in a while though so that IS something to keep in mind. But I wouldn't expect wolf!Thane to be quite so eager to play and relaxed about the game like that

 

Agree with Thane read.

 

Weird in what way??

 

OMG so far this is like one of the most boring and average games I've played in a year or two.

Maybe that's why...idk. Can you and Alanna both be more specific with what's "weird" about me?

[Zander?]

 

Im am 100% ballsy enough to try any approach but I pretty much adhere to the KISS rule of thumb fwiw.

 

What's the KISS rule of thumb?

 

 

Keep It Simple Stupid....its how I live my life.

 

 

Just ISOd Nyn. My read hasn't changed. At all. Most of her posts are fluff. There are a couple good posts (e.g. the general thoughts catchup post), But most of it isn't game-related, and she isn't engaging that much either, even before she mentioned the problems with her dog.

 

Pot meet kettle.  Nyn was 10x the content then you do. 

 

 

About two games ago? Besie's second game, I was having a discussion with Zander about her. I didn't successfully convince him that she was scum (I think?), but it lead me to the conclusion that he was town because of how we were talking. I haven't been able to do that here, but I realize that my case on him isn't as strong as my head thought it was when I started it. 

 

I want to give him some more time to hopefully read him better, but here's the thing though. Last game people were having trouble reading him he was scum. When they couldn't clear him by his posting he flipped as scum. It wasn't because his posts were scummy, because they weren't. Most people kept him in their nulls, and that was as scummy as he got. I am not 100% sure how many have cleared him this game. Laine perhaps? She had him in green I remember. Anyone else? Basically what I'm worried about is that he's flying under the radar on null and blaming this new posting style. 

 

I guess all in all probably don't lynch him D1, but also don't forget to look at him later unless he somehow becomes more clear to people.

 

ION, my head is better, fever is gone. I still don't sleep very well, but at least more than 4 hours per 24 hour period. I'll try to go back and read the game from the beginning and see if I can't make some reads on people other than Zander. I feel like all my energy this game has been used on him. Sooh!tunnel? 

 

Under the radar??? Im pretty sure I've been the most talked about person in this game iirc.  And you thought I was Town from our conversations last game irt Besie.  That's fine but I've been doing the same here as well.

 

You tried building a case on me based on absolutely nothing, with no facts or validated points.  Realized it's wasnt gaining any traction then started leaving yourself outs.  You keep using Meta against me when you yourself said I was playing completely different.

 

Contradictions, 0 points or facts or observations about me proven and leaving yourself outs and back-tracking all tend to come from....wait for it....Scum.

 

 

 

Basically what I'm worried about is that he's flying under the radar on null and blaming this new posting style. 

 

I don't see how anything he's done so far can be construed as flying under the radar. 

 

 

Yes this 100%

 

Glad you're feeling better, though.

 

Me too even tho Im still gonna lynch her.

[Nolder]

 

 

I'm actually gonna switch up and [unvote] [v]Nolder[/v] because I want some pressure there

Talk to me about Sooh.  Im currently voting her,  The reasoning is pretty obv imo.  Can you also touch on how you feel irt my arguments against her.

 

Dont just start voting random please it sketches me out.

LOL who was it who complained about me not voting? It was probably Nolder. But I think I can put him lower on my list due to that FEELING when he's mafia. It's just there. And Thane brought it up a page or so back and it reminded me of it so I switched over. I actually would like to hear from NYN irt Nolder, since she saw the same things I saw in Rustlemania, I wanna know if she's feeling the same thing here. What are YOUR thoughts on Nolder, in summary?

 

As for Soohhhh at lot of my pings were her pushes on you which I didn't think were legitimate at all, as well as her TOAN and a few other things but let me go back and check what you've said recently. I'm a little wary to push a lynch on Sooh today because she's sick and I wouldn't want to push a potential mislynch through due to change in behavior from sickness =/

 

Actually I wasn't complaining about you not voting...I was bothered by what seemed like a push onto someone with no vote so early in the game.

My reasoning was if you've found something "bad" to say about someone so early why not vote them? I thought it was weird.

 

And here we go with Rustlemania again. >__>

 

I'm getting the admins of that site to delete the damn thread I never want to hear about it again lol.

[Nolder]

 

 

 

I'm actually gonna switch up and [unvote] [v]Nolder[/v] because I want some pressure there

Talk to me about Sooh.  Im currently voting her,  The reasoning is pretty obv imo.  Can you also touch on how you feel irt my arguments against her.

 

Dont just start voting random please it sketches me out.

LOL who was it who complained about me not voting? It was probably Nolder. But I think I can put him lower on my list due to that FEELING when he's mafia. It's just there. And Thane brought it up a page or so back and it reminded me of it so I switched over. I actually would like to hear from NYN irt Nolder, since she saw the same things I saw in Rustlemania, I wanna know if she's feeling the same thing here. What are YOUR thoughts on Nolder, in summary?

 

As for Soohhhh at lot of my pings were her pushes on you which I didn't think were legitimate at all, as well as her TOAN and a few other things but let me go back and check what you've said recently. I'm a little wary to push a lynch on Sooh today because she's sick and I wouldn't want to push a potential mislynch through due to change in behavior from sickness =/

 

 

Nolder Id have to go back and ISO but his posts are just weird.  I wanna look back before passing judgement on him atp.  I have more legit suspects atm I wanna pursue first.

 

I know Sooh is sick but what really sunk her for me was her "case" on me.  It had 0 merits and I dont think sick effects that imo.

 

You kind of already passed judgment but ok lol.

[Nolder]

 

 

 

 

Zander I think you and I need to have a talk.

 

 

Ok whats up?

 

Not much, I just like to clear or condemn you early and I'd like to be able to do it soon.

 

Let's try some questions...

 

Gun to head which one person of the following people would you absolutely not let into the village right now: Sooh, Pral, Alanna, Thane, Eldrick.

 

 

Why these people specifically?

 

 

 

Nolder that's a terrible question when he's already mentioned scum reads on 2/5 and has null-town the rest lol

 

it is but its ok.  I wanna see where he goes with this.

 

 

@Nol- Why Pral?

 

Sorry everyone woke up and is talking to me now.

The thing about Pral, and I don't mean to be insulting, even when he's town I don't find his posts that helpful or insightful 90% of the time.

He's just kind of there. So that's more meta than anything else but that's why I chose him.

 

That's a terrible reason.

 

+1 on it being a terrible reason. you don't find him helpful as town, so you want to lynch him for not being helpful.

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

 

 

The people were randomly chosen.

 

I never said I wanted to lynch him the question was who would you absolutely not let into the village.

Gross misrepresentation.

[Nolder]

 

I have a lot of null reads, but that's ok for Day 1. It will sort itself out in time.

 

 

Eldrick - I know I'm town

Laine - I can't think of a gae where I didn't townread her. I was fooled last game, but those were very unique circumstances. I  knew she started out as town, and her tone didn't change because of riding the cop claim. I don't expect recruits in a basic game, so I'm confident giving her a town read this game.

BFG - I don't know what to look for in her scum game, but I have liked her play so far. Town lean.

Lily - Slight town. As I mentioned before, I didn't have an issue with her vote changes, like other people seemed to have. I haven't seen anything scummy from her.

Turin - Has an issue with him early on, but it was because I misread what he was doing. He hasn't done anything to catch my attention since. Null to slight town.

 

Pral - I'm not convinced of his towniness yet, but I am not voting for him for a while this game. He gets mislynched early on way too often, and I won't be a part of that this game.

Thane - Lots of joke posts, but IIRC that's normal for him, so null in that regard. Would like to see more game content from him, though. Null.

BG OGclef - Don't know him. People I don't know stay in null until I have a reason otherwise.

Zander  - Z has been different this game. I don't know how much of it is due to trying to change his playstyle and his being mentored. I'm not calling it scummy yet, but he's definitely not towning it up this time.

Sooh - She's been a topic of discussion for a lot of people. She has somehow slipped under my radar. I need to go back and ISO her. Not lynching her today because being sick sucks, and I want to give her a chance to show her towniness if she's town.

Nyn - As I mentioned earlier, I don't remember her interactions. Also someone I need to go ISO. Null

 

Nolder - He has recently moved down for me. I don't like his reasoning for voting Pral. His question to Zander was weird.

 

I never even voted Pral wtf?

[Zander?]

 

 

You're misunderstanding what I mean by that. I meant flying under the radar as in not posting scummily enough to be a valid lynch option, but at the same time not being towny enough to be cleared.

 

But you don't think the above, do you?. You thought he was scummy enough to merit a vote. And your unvoting post indicates that you still think that way but you're backing off to change people's perception of you. Has that opinion changed? Or are you talking about how everyone else is perceiving him?

 

I still think he's scummy enough to merit a vote, but I realize that I won't get him lynched today, perhaps never, so my vote is wasted on him. I'm not trying to get people to change their opinions of me merely based on an unvote, but because of how I do the game from here now that I'm feeling better. IRT Zander I'm talking about other people's perception yes. Basically if he's not an easy town read for you you should hear warning bells IMO.

 

 

Glad you're feeling better, though.

+1

 

Thank you, both of you

 

 

Warning bells eh...funny thing is tho....I wasnt being Town read in Clov's game nor was I early in NBC and guess what, I was Town in both as well.

 

I'm not trying to sound like a jerk but nothing you've said against me has been, accurate, correct nor has been able to be validated by you in any way shape or form.

 

 

Eldrick, in a subversion of how the hero term is usually used you're my hero town call.

 

I really hope I'm not wrong because despite looking through some of your previous games I'm not sure how to read you and will probably take another look tonight :/

 

What?  Please elaborate on this BFG

[Nolder]

1. Turin: Town by PM

2. Zander-mafia (soft claimed one of the brothers) Soft claiming is bad to me. most likely mafia driven in this case. Has felt like posts edgy like he is chafing at not being allowed to use his smo of posting his way to town read. I don't think the early post was a joke. I don't like his responses to my calling him on his soft claim. 

3. Sooh-null to town: This is in part due to my thoughts on Z/Laine.

4. Nolder-null to mafia. I'm going back and forth about who is more likely mafia. Nolder may just be being weird here. I think I'm going to let him off today.

5. Laine-mafia. See thoughts in above post.

6. Nyn- null to town. Not too much content. understandable due to RL. (I hope your dog is getting better) Nothing really pinging at this time.

7. Pral- null to mafia. Not much content but I don't like the one real post where he called out 5 players and said there must be one baddie in there. looks like trying to be useful while not really being useful.

8. Eldrick- mafia lean. Early Thane thing not good to me. some other things that I can't  recall all of right now. 

9. Lily- null. Lily being maleable is kind of how I remember her. Add in some RL distraction and I don't have any real read on her at this time.

10. Thane- mafia. I see all sorts of interaction between him and others I am suspicious of. Z and Laine have him as too high on their lists IMO. Eldrick may have spewed him maf. Plus his reaction to Eldrick and then my vote on him feels a bit of the same "don't engage and hope it goes away" that mafia will use on early votes. My only real concern is that it may be a case of mafia leaving him for a later mislynch. 

 

11. BGrishinko- null to town. Not much to see here so far. Call it a gut read.

12. BFG-  Town. Like her stances. Like her posts. 

 

Obviously I have too many mafia/leans. my difficulty is that I am seeing two distinct possibilities. Z/Laine is something weird to me. Z mostly for tone. His posts feel snippy. Laine for her determination to not allow herself to read Z as mafia despite the things that she says regarding his early "joke". Both of them having Thane too high makes me curious there as well. The other has been Eldrick along with Pral and Nolder?/Thane?. I noted that Eldrick said something to the effect that he wants to see Pral in action. Then that he wants to give him more time. There is no real reasoning there to justify the position tho.

 

Unvote

 

Votre: Zander

 

 

willing to vote Alanna, Thane, Eldrick, Nolder, Pral in that order  

Weird, explain please.

I tried to explain my feelings and I expect the same courtesy from the rest of you.

 

I don't think I'm acting weird at all.