[Advanced] Gods and Demons Mafia - All your souls belong to Shad (Triads win)

BFG · January 19, 2016

I struggle to read you, I steeped goathydraKey horribly last time we played, I'm hoping explanations will help me read you.

In general I always think my unwillingness to vote/give reads early/really push people makes me generically scummy early on. With meta I'm an easy(ish) read, very easy for some but it's been well over a year since we played in a game together so...?

I have a hard time explaining my reads outside of "you feel villagery" sometimes

I'm not really an easy person to read, I guess, to people that don't know me. I also haven't been putting much of an effort in to be cleared so much as make my opinions known.

But yeah, you feel villagery is the best I've got, don't really know what else to say

Ok, what's your opinion on Csarmi?

Meh at best. He has that air that sort of asserts "you will townread me" but that's not really that hard to fake as mafia

He hasn't exactly been impactful so far.

I have 2 reasons to give him a >rand chance of being town, but there's been a recent conversation about the obvious in a DT recently and I think he's aware of the other so I can't say it's a strong read.

I looked through his most recent mafia game, and the last one on his list last night and they hold in that game.

The one that everyone's mentioned; Csarmi's making enemies this game, he doesn't as mafia, he'll read people as town, but doesn't really push anyone or call them mafia. His policy vote made him early enemies, I don't think it comes from Mafia! Csarmi very often.

The other is his statements 'I'm town'. This is more likely to come from Town! Csarmi I won't say he does it all the time when town, or that he never does it as mafia (outside of being run up), but it's more likely when he's town.

Like I said not a strong reason, but I'm ok with him as town for now.

Zander? · January 19, 2016

Wait a second...this just occured to me in my reread but Im pretty sure Len Town read me in WoW...i THINK he CLAIMED he had some inkling I was Scum there. But this pretty much would debunk his claim that he knows how to read as he claims I am Scum!Zander imo.

Shad_ · January 19, 2016

You used my Charisma and "Force of personality" as your defense against me and reasons for sussing me in Matrix Len...

Nothing youve been saying has made me feel any better about you.

o_O

Zander

You and Lenlo were scum mates in Matrix.

WHAT DOES THAT MATTER???!!

He used as a reason to suss me and his defense against the Town sussing him in Matrix and is doing the same thing here,

This point you and Len are saying is because you were teammates you cant take his Scum Meta into consideration. I completely disagree.

When you hard bus team mates, do you point to things they've done that were actually scummy, or do you, as a rule, always make up random crap?

I look for the same things as I do as Town.

Exactly. Weren't you accusing Lenlo of applying the same arguments against you that he used in Matrix? Or did I misunderstand that?

Zander? · January 19, 2016

Wary.

He says wary.

Fine.

Hey man. Your vote was weird, even if policy. I figure its just you, but I cant be to safe.

Meh. My vote is weird yes.

Joke -> Policy -> Serious

Probably a mix most of the way.

0/50/50 now.

Youve yet to show any progression on the last.

Zander? · January 19, 2016

Vote count:

Zander - 5 - Lenlo, Sooh, Eldrick, Csarmi, Hallia

Lenlo - 1 - Zander

Alannalynn - 1 - Nolder

Eldrick - 1 - Shad

Day Zero ends at 5:00 PM Eastern time

Like in my basic knowledge of this game the fact my train built so quickly should be quite telling imo.

monstrman · January 19, 2016

I have 2 reasons to give him a >rand chance of being town, but there's been a recent conversation about the obvious in a DT recently and I think he's aware of the other so I can't say it's a strong read.

I looked through his most recent mafia game, and the last one on his list last night and they hold in that game.

The one that everyone's mentioned; Csarmi's making enemies this game, he doesn't as mafia, he'll read people as town, but doesn't really push anyone or call them mafia. His policy vote made him early enemies, I don't think it comes from Mafia! Csarmi very often.

The other is his statements 'I'm town'. This is more likely to come from Town! Csarmi I won't say he does it all the time when town, or that he never does it as mafia (outside of being run up), but it's more likely when he's town.

Like I said not a strong reason, but I'm ok with him as town for now.

I have no intention of voting him or pushing him right now, so I can accept that.

I would prolly put him at barely >rand town if anything, but I don't like talking about people I don't really have an opinion on yet and csarmi sort of fits that bill

Turin Turambar · January 19, 2016

Zander 162 Lenlo 135 BFG 81 Eldrick4221 47 manbat 46 Shad_ 34 csarmi 31 Nolder 22 dicetosser1 20 alannalynn 18 cory caboose 17 Sooh 15 Hallia 14 Clovdyx 11 Pralaya 10 John Snow 8 Turin Turambar 5 Calder 4

There is a scum inside of the people who currently have less posts than the mod.

At least one, maybe two at best.

How many does that leave with more posts than the mods?

Who do you think are the mafia low posters?

Zander? · January 19, 2016

Zander, about the implying Len is town thing. I think it is pretty clear.

You stated mafia could hide behind the "joke vote". This would be similar to piggybacking behind a townie pushing another townie. The mafia vote and lynch the townie but then blame the townie that kes the lynch. By staring the mafia would be in effect "following the townie", you imply that Len is in fact town. You may not have meant to do so but the implication is logically sound.

So in effect if you flip mafia then you have inadvertently spewed Len town. Thanks.

I hope this makes sense.

Im Town so thats not gonna happen. I think the big thing people are missing with this is that no one (But me atp hence why I said it) was the Scum!Len wouldnt or couldnt do it. Apparently I cant seem to argue my point across with this but I DIDNT IMPLY LEN WAS TOWN NOR DID I MEAN TO as everyone seems to be interpreting it,

monstrman · January 19, 2016

Zander 162 Lenlo 135 BFG 81 Eldrick4221 47 manbat 46 Shad_ 34 csarmi 31 Nolder 22 dicetosser1 20 alannalynn 18 cory caboose 17 Sooh 15 Hallia 14 Clovdyx 11 Pralaya 10 John Snow 8 Turin Turambar 5 Calder 4

There is a scum inside of the people who currently have less posts than the mod.

At least one, maybe two at best.

How many does that leave with more posts than the mods?

Who do you think are the mafia low posters?

Not you and then we might as well flip a coin.

This is more information for future use as well as potentially even use tonight, but that's all I'm gonna say about that.

BFG · January 19, 2016

@BFG - I didn't officially say, but I will now: I do have a town lean on Eld, barring a re-read focusing on him. At work on mobile, so that probably won't happen until I get home
Ok thanks, do you have any reason to be suspicious of Zander other than his claim?

As I said, it wasn't the claim itself that I had a problem with. It was the manner in which he went about it. The tone of the whole pm color thing clearing him without a doubt when as Cory said, it doesnt. I don't like it at all, it,feels very fake to me.

That's fair

When do you get home?

Zander? · January 19, 2016

Tbh, as per page now I feel like there isn't much to be gained by looking at the Zander train in terms of wagonomics. It's an ungrounded joke vote train that built in the early hours of D0 with background in sign ups. Placement on the train and such I feel is less informative here than say when coming up on an actual lynch, however reactions from it are interesting and certainly kickstarted this Day.

So, breakfast thoughts coming up:

This is D0. The only time I've seen D0 before is when there are trigger alignments. Considering everything the mods have said about balance changing and stuff AND the color of the PM being purple (half red and half blue), perhaps we're all vanilla?

(I fully expect Zander to jump on me for saying this though)

In any case, I doubt that Zander is scum and I will take back what was indeed a joke vote at the beginning of the game [unvote]

Going out to do things though. I'll be back in a few hours. Then I should be in real time until lynch.

I disagree with that assessment.

monstrman · January 19, 2016

And also is this a 17er?

with 17 players standard distribution would be 3 scum

So probably only one with less posts than the mod currently, but I bet one of them is scum anyway.

Sooh · January 19, 2016

Monstr? Who would you say are the people you have an opinion of and what is that opinion?

BFG · January 19, 2016

I'm not sure wolf hallia would have the guts to come after town monstrman d1 so I'm inclined to clear her tbh

I've missed playing, got that fire back!

:wub:

BFG · January 19, 2016

And also is this a 17er?

with 17 players standard distribution would be 3 scum

So probably only one with less posts than the mod currently, but I bet one of them is scum anyway.

4 surely?

Sooh · January 19, 2016

Tbh, as per page now I feel like there isn't much to be gained by looking at the Zander train in terms of wagonomics. It's an ungrounded joke vote train that built in the early hours of D0 with background in sign ups. Placement on the train and such I feel is less informative here than say when coming up on an actual lynch, however reactions from it are interesting and certainly kickstarted this Day.

So, breakfast thoughts coming up:

This is D0. The only time I've seen D0 before is when there are trigger alignments. Considering everything the mods have said about balance changing and stuff AND the color of the PM being purple (half red and half blue), perhaps we're all vanilla?

(I fully expect Zander to jump on me for saying this though)

In any case, I doubt that Zander is scum and I will take back what was indeed a joke vote at the beginning of the game [unvote]

Going out to do things though. I'll be back in a few hours. Then I should be in real time until lynch.

I disagree with that assessment.

So what's your assessment of the wagonomics?

monstrman · January 19, 2016

Monstr? Who would you say are the people you have an opinion of and what is that opinion?

I've made tons of opinions in my posts

They're in the thread open for you to read

You were in fact one of them at slightly villager

If you want me to make a list organizing all my suspects and clears that's not going to happen because that's not how I play.

monstrman · January 19, 2016

And also is this a 17er?

with 17 players standard distribution would be 3 scum

So probably only one with less posts than the mod currently, but I bet one of them is scum anyway.

4 surely?

You're right, actually

a 15er is 3

lolme

SO YES, 4 SCUM PROBABLY but that wasn't really my point anyway and it's kind of a silly question to begin with. You can never make assumptions about anything in a game of mafia

BFG · January 19, 2016

Cmooon. Don't let Zander escape.
Did I ask/have you explained your Eldrick read? Wasn't your response to his 'fun being town with you this game?' 'likewise'? Yet you're watching him? I'll check in a minute

I did. I also said don't Mae me come after you this game. That was pg 14. It's now page 32 or something.

It's been a long minute XD but I will check. This sounds ~about right

Zander? · January 19, 2016

Tbh, as per page now I feel like there isn't much to be gained by looking at the Zander train in terms of wagonomics. It's an ungrounded joke vote train that built in the early hours of D0 with background in sign ups. Placement on the train and such I feel is less informative here than say when coming up on an actual lynch, however reactions from it are interesting and certainly kickstarted this Day.

So, breakfast thoughts coming up:

This is D0. The only time I've seen D0 before is when there are trigger alignments. Considering everything the mods have said about balance changing and stuff AND the color of the PM being purple (half red and half blue), perhaps we're all vanilla?

(I fully expect Zander to jump on me for saying this though)

In any case, I doubt that Zander is scum and I will take back what was indeed a joke vote at the beginning of the game [unvote]

Going out to do things though. I'll be back in a few hours. Then I should be in real time until lynch.

Wow. I think you got something there. We could very well all be purple vanilla, and alignments and roles will be assigned N0.

What a weird way to start the game. That would mean mafia don't even know their teammates yet, and think they are town. Now my head hurts...

But wait didnt everyone say they'd provide a sample of a Town PM role to the Scum team. Isnt that what people have been using to argue against what I did at the opening of the game...

This back and forth here has set my Scumdar off big time!!!!

monstrman · January 19, 2016

or a 13er is 3

Idk somewhere between 3-4 and who cares

BFG · January 19, 2016

And also is this a 17er?

with 17 players standard distribution would be 3 scum

So probably only one with less posts than the mod currently, but I bet one of them is scum anyway.

4 surely?

You're right, actually

a 15er is 3

lolme

SO YES, 4 SCUM PROBABLY but that wasn't really my point anyway and it's kind of a silly question to begin with. You can never make assumptions about anything in a game of mafia

My worst town games have been making assumptions about setup :( I think you were in one of them lol

monstrman · January 19, 2016

My worst town games have been making assumptions about setup :( I think you were in one of them lol

Probably. I recall having been in about 3 games with you, I believe, and iirc you were town every time

Zander? · January 19, 2016

[V] Eldrick [/v]

Need a counter wagon. Eldrick is my other most likely choice for mafia. Zander being the other. I however don't think they are teammates.

Currently thinking BFG, Lenlo and Dice are town.

Of those voting zander I suspect those that haven't given follow up reasons. (Sooh, but hopefully her stance will become clear soon).

Csarmi a bit weird to me so far also.

I have an issue with your need for a counter wagon, but I don't know if it's because I'm your choice.

Why do you need a counter wagon? What's wrong with voting someone you suspect that already has votes.

Also, why me? What have I done that makes you suspicious?

Cause trains that build very quickly D1 TEND to be Scum driven, Especially with the signup plan leaving a perfect excuse to Vote.

And the Bold....thats a joke right?

BFG · January 19, 2016

Zander, about the implying Len is town thing. I think it is pretty clear.

You stated mafia could hide behind the "joke vote". This would be similar to piggybacking behind a townie pushing another townie. The mafia vote and lynch the townie but then blame the townie that kes the lynch. By staring the mafia would be in effect "following the townie", you imply that Len is in fact town. You may not have meant to do so but the implication is logically sound.

So in effect if you flip mafia then you have inadvertently spewed Len town. Thanks.

I hope this makes sense.

Im Town so thats not gonna happen. I think the big thing people are missing with this is that no one (But me atp hence why I said it) was the Scum!Len wouldnt or couldnt do it. Apparently I cant seem to argue my point across with this but I DIDNT IMPLY LEN WAS TOWN NOR DID I MEAN TO as everyone seems to be interpreting it,

So far most people agree with you or have said nothing, Dice and Turin are the only people who 'get' where I'm coming from. I also accepted that you didn't mean the imolication a loooonnnnnng time ago :dry:

[Advanced] Gods and Demons Mafia - All your souls belong to Shad (Triads win)

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