[Advanced] Gods and Demons Mafia - All your souls belong to Shad (Triads win)

[Shad_]

So the likelihood of Laine's unvote because it was a joke vote and she wouldn't be around it sounding more and more plausible to me.

 

Being the basis of my vote is because I wanted to sort that out, [unvote]

 

Ok, you did move forward to this.  Looks better.

[Zander?]

 

Eldrick, have you explained why you find Zander scummy yet?

I explained that I don't. He is very null to me. I want him to be town. I want this no fluff Zander to be on my side. I want a reason to vote someone else.

 

The best reason I have to vote so far is that Laine unvoted him. It's a weak reason, with good implications should he flip scum.

 

 

[monstrman]

 

 

I struggle to read you, I steeped goathydraKey horribly last time we played, I'm hoping explanations will help me read you.

 

In general I always think my unwillingness to vote/give reads early/really push people makes me generically scummy early on. With meta I'm an easy(ish) read, very easy for some but it's been well over a year since we played in a game together so...?

 

I have a hard time explaining my reads outside of "you feel villagery" sometimes

 

I'm not really an easy person to read, I guess, to people that don't know me. I also haven't been putting much of an effort in to be cleared so much as make my opinions known.

 

But yeah, you feel villagery is the best I've got, don't really know what else to say

 

Ok, what's your opinion on Csarmi?

 

Meh at best. He has that air that sort of asserts "you will townread me" but that's not really that hard to fake as mafia

 

He hasn't exactly been impactful so far.

[monstrman]

Mafia are in the no posters/low posters

Probably at least 2

[Shad_]

The thought that this could be anti-TUS and we're all VTs makes me giggle... and also makes me a little nervous about lynching anyone.  <_<

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Specifically - your early claim felt calculated, and is obviously posted to try to garner easy town reads. I can see this coming from you as either alignment. Your post where you asked Lenlo about your OP also shows that you're AWARE of your meta this game and appear to be purposefully trying to garner a new meta, except Lenlo doesn't use meta, given you do you should know that, except Lenlo is using meta on you this game so I dunno.

 

So why are you specifically altering your approach this game?

 

 

Im altering it for REASONS IVE ALREADY EXPLAINED!!!!

 

its posts like this that are frustrating me.  I said WHY I claimed and explained it.  Ive always been aware of my Meta like see Bellicheat and Matrix..  LEN HAS BEEN USING META for a large part of his read on me!!!!!

 

So we're at an impasse at least on this

 

You purposefully changed your approach this game to try to get early town reads. This reads to me as calculated, because it is, so WHY should I treat this as town? Your reason to do it is alignment neutral as everyone wants early town reads.

 

And I know Lenlo has been using meta on you specifically this game and I've already asked him about it. I say as much in the post

 

 

Let me ask you this youve now that you've backtracked on your read of me with your TLDR, what are you reading me as currently? How do you feel about my explanations about the Bold?

 

And why SHOULDNT you treat it as Town?

 

 

 

I haven't backtracked on my read on you. I had you as null, I have you as null, I don't read you easily and it takes a while for me to read you for myself. There are a few approaches I can see from town!Zander this game (specifically your reaction to me) but I tend to find calculated play as scummy (read all your early posts). Generically town are going to be more relaxed and care less about how they come across. And that is something I've always associated with your game, it's also something I've miscleared you on, so it isn't a 'tell' as such, just something I associate with you in general.

 

Regarding the bold, your explanation is null. I struggle to believe that you think that this is a viable method to clear yourself, but that goes for you as any alignment.

 

Because the motivation is equally(/more in a generic sense - generic because you consider town getting town read important to) likely from mafia. Mafia need to be town read, town need to hunt mafia and also get town read (but it's not the only priority)

 

 

 

Really???  Youve never played with players that are calculated as Town....????!!!

 

Read the sentence? I tend to find calculated play scummy. Not always.

 

Shad is a calculated player, you are not; as either alignment

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zander, why are you reading Lenlo as mafia at this point?

 

 

Why should I not be?

 

And Ive answered this more then once.

 

On Page 2; you go from saying that wolves will follow Lenlo, implying that Lenlo is town, to saying that Lenlo is mafia because he missed your colour code thing, later you accept his reason for missing it, but still have your vote on him, except now it's for unexplained reasons. You next say 'look at where your vote is' so are finding Lenlo scummy for reasons, but they remain unexplained for a while, now you're voting him because his reaction's 'off' and because he's not noting your meta play, etc, etc and the post where you explained this was immediately before mine, so your multiple explanations don't exist :/

 

I'm not a fan of this progression Tbh. A number of your posts feel calculated, the initial attempt to clear using colour code, the posts he's making about his own meta, particularly the one about OP's.

 

Meh I'm not going to be able to read Zander when he's on the defence like this.

 

Lenlo's position on you is equally odd, but I'm more inclined to lean town at the moment.

 

 

Where did I imply he was Town BFG? I want to see a direct quote on this,  Cause I didnt and that is misrepping me.

 

And Ive explained my read of him more then once....you even made a Ninja'd post after I did.

 

This is not a good post from BFG at all.

 

I say in my post that you ninja'ed me with an explanation, but MULTIPLE explanations prior to that don't exist, that you hadn't moved on from. I quote your progression above, you go from saying he's mafia because he didn't see the colour stuff, then you accept it, but offer NO other explanation for your read UNTIL the post before mine...

 

I think literally the only other thing you mention about Lenlo in between the two is when you ask him if Yu were defensive in Matrix, but I don't see the relevance here - the only time you were really pushed in that game was from your teammate, so given you're arguing the situations different I don't see the point in this (admittedly my recollection of Matrix isn't great, so maybe I'm missing something)

 

 

Quote below

 

 

Is that fear I see in your eyes Zander? Is it fear that im reading in the tone of your posts?!

 

AM I A PSYCHIC?!

 

I dont fear anything Im just not gonna be happy when wolves can hide behind your vote Zander idea and mislynch me.

 

The fact that you think wolves are going to follow Lenlo's joke vote from sign up is an implication you don't think Lenlo is mafia at this point.

 

 

Thats not an implication at all and you know it.  I said wolves can hide behind the idea. Nowhere did I state or imply that Len was Town.

 

Youre misrepping me here and really grasping at straws here.

 

 

I can see what BFG sees here   particularly the way she worded it in red  and then we get the blue from zanders own mouth so YES zander i too think you implied len was town

 

 

I didnt tho.

[monstrman]

Zander 162 Lenlo 135 BFG 81 Eldrick4221 47 manbat 46 Shad_ 34 csarmi 31 Nolder 22 dicetosser1 20 alannalynn 18 cory caboose 17 Sooh 15 Hallia 14 Clovdyx 11 Pralaya 10 John Snow 8 Turin Turambar 5 Calder 4

 

 

There is a scum inside of the people who currently have less posts than the mod.

 

At least one, maybe two at best.

[BFG]

@BFG - I didn't officially say, but I will now: I do have a town lean on Eld, barring a re-read focusing on him. At work on mobile, so that probably won't happen until I get home

Ok thanks, do you have any reason to be suspicious of Zander other than his claim?

[Zander?]

 

Dangit. I wanted to be first. Got my role pm at 7. When I found out at 11, the thread wasn't up yet. I went back to sleep lol.

 

[v]Zander [/v]

 

fair enuff

 

 

Hi Zander, what do you think about Laine's vote/unvote?

It's been noted. I was under the impression Zander was going down N0. That's why the petition got attention. If he flips scum, I am looking at her for backing off.

 

 

this sets my teeth on edge

 

 

Ugh, this is an awful argument.

 

Zander's posting in purple, means he's either town or mafia have a sample Town role PM, or both /shrug

 

It doesn't clear him, his reaction is pretty extreme though.

 

 

 

Laine's reaction is marginally more interesting, there isn't a majority hammer Day 0, so her unvote is unnecessary, so she's conscious of her vote, but I'm not sure this means much at this point.

All it means is he believes town pm color is purple. That doesn't mean town is the only one that gets purple. It doesn't mean he's town. This isn't worth discussing.

 

 

tries to dismiss the colour talk

 

 

 

 

Hi Zander, what do you think about Laine's vote/unvote?

It's been noted. I was under the impression Zander was going down N0. That's why the petition got attention. If he flips scum, I am looking at her for backing off.

Serious?

 

Ok, what if he flips town?

Then we were wrong. It happens. And we learn something from how people acted about it.

 

If he flips town, it won't make Laine look scummy for unvoting.

 

 

red  actually  the way it started we would learn very little

 

blue  i had a question mark about this  he explains soon

 

 

 

 

Ugh, this is an awful argument.

 

Zander's posting in purple, means he's either town or mafia have a sample Town role PM, or both /shrug

 

It doesn't clear him, his reaction is pretty extreme though.

 

 

 

Laine's reaction is marginally more interesting, there isn't a majority hammer Day 0, so her unvote is unnecessary, so she's conscious of her vote, but I'm not sure this means much at this point.

All it means is he believes town pm color is purple. That doesn't mean town is the only one that gets purple. It doesn't mean he's town. This isn't worth discussing.

So you dont feel this is relevant at all? Not just pertaining to me but anyone thus far?

No. I dont. If you are town, you would know the color.

 

If you are scum, you could have a sample and believe you know the color

 

And we have no idea what color 3rd parties got their pm in. It might also be purple to make this null.

 

The color of your role bears no distinction to your alignment until proven otherwise.

 

 

brings up 3p   he mentions 3p a couple of times

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Zander, what do you think about Laine's vote/unvote?

It's been noted. I was under the impression Zander was going down N0. That's why the petition got attention. If he flips scum, I am looking at her for backing off.

Serious?

 

Ok, what if he flips town?

Then we were wrong. It happens. And we learn something from how people acted about it.

 

If he flips town, it won't make Laine look scummy for unvoting.

I CALL BS

 

Nothing would be learned because everyone could just say they were just following the joke.

Except that my staying on you getting lynched isn't a joke reason anymore. The fact that Laine unvoted so quickly looks bad if you are scum. So I want to find out.

 

 

so why not vote Laine then??

 

@Lenlo

 

Irt Laine unvoting and Zander flipping town.

 

I said she doesn't look scummy for it because she wouldn't have the "he's my teammate. I'm backing of this joke train" vibe

 

If she's scum and he's town, she wouldn't know that. She would only know he isn't on her team. And she would look 'not scum' to me because scum would stay on the train if it wasn't a teammate imo.

 

except scum DO white Knight townies.

 

 

 

@Lenlo

 

Irt Laine unvoting and Zander flipping town.

 

I said she doesn't look scummy for it because she wouldn't have the "he's my teammate. I'm backing of this joke train" vibe

 

If she's scum and he's town, she wouldn't know that. She would only know he isn't on her team. And she would look 'not scum' to me because scum would stay on the train if it wasn't a teammate imo.

Odd, if Laine was mafia and Zander wasn't on her team why wouldn't she know he was town? Odds are extremely good he'd be town not third party in that scenario...

But people seem to forget they exist. If you aren't scum, you're town. There's also the possibility of 2 scum teams. We don't know. That's what I'm getting at. She wouldn't know he's town.

 

 

3p again

 

 

 

vote eldrick  he is either scum or 3p   feels like he has info i dont

 

 

 

If you want others to vote him how come you didnt?  If this pops up in my reread please disregard.

[Zander?]

 

 

You keep referencing Matrix for things I say against you.

 

We were scum together that game, pushing each other. If I used those arguments against you in Matrix, and you were scum in Matrix, wouldnt that mean I might be right? At the very least it implies we are both wolves so we should /still/ lynch you.

 

Nope cause it wasnt why i was right about you in Matrix, It was just youre reads lists and the fact that you couldnt do anything really to stop it. And for someone who "claims" to be able to read me so well should know META is a LARGE part of how I make my reads!!!!

 

deja vu

 

 

???

[monstrman]

I'm not sure wolf hallia would have the guts to come after town monstrman d1 so I'm inclined to clear her tbh

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

 

I'm here, just very tired.

 

Can you talk to me about Dice and Laine?

 

Dice looks towny so far from what I can tell. There was some mechanics talk right at the beginning with the PM comparison and such, but then he got right into it with multiquoting and gameplay, so I'd give him a town lean. I know with myself it takes me a while to lock a read on him, because I don't have the best track record reading him. 

 

Laine is around null for me atm. I haven't made my mind up, though I have seen a few good posts like this one. Gun to my head I would lean her town as well. 

 

 

This leaves me with a really big town pile and a not so big possible scum pile. There are still nulls though, so hopefully time will give me more to reasess those.

 

 

I agree with pretty much everyone on your list except Zander and Shad, both of whom I have as null right now. Why is Zander high on your list?

 

I already talked a bit about Shad, and like I said, part of my read on him is wishful thinking coupled with a few of his posts which have been good. 

 

Zander is a town read for me because he's relentless and tunnell-y as both town and scum, but as town he is also paranoid about people and their positions on him, and he has no filter as to what's going on in his head, so he'll literally post every thought he has, even though those thoughts are to stubbornly refuse to understand other people. 

 

As scum he still pokes, prods and tunnels, but he doesn't have the same paranoia about everyone, he reserves that to the one person he's attacking, and if he has the time, one or two more. Like in his previous game, Warcraft mafia, in which he focused all his suspicion on a couple of people, while still asking questions of a bunch of others, but those questions had no insecurity or paranoia behind them. 

 

I don't know if that's understandable. It's like trying to explain a feeling.

 

perfect sense, thanks

[Zander?]

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HARDCLAIM:  ZANDER- HOLLYWOOD STUNTMAN VANILLA TOWN

TRUTH OR FALSEHOOD IT MATTERS NOT

 

 

Only Wolf Bullets killing me this game brah.

 

Really? I see Diplomacy and petitions doing it right now.

 

 

All i see is a scared little boy trying to mislynch his betters.

 

Pfff.  Len was playing mafia when you were eating mushy poutine in a high-chair! :P

 

HARDCLAIM:  ZANDER- HOLLYWOOD STUNTMAN VANILLA TOWN

 

 

Anyone who is Town will know the Color I choose was from my PM.

 

I dun like et.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont care what way youre leaning on me.  This was your idea so deal with how I respond to it.  You said i was kinda over reacting to things and I simply pointed out that now you were.

 

How mad are YOU gonna be if you tried to hide behind this as Scum!Len and you get lunched here today?

 

Didnt respond tot he first part of this.

 

You should care. Means im no longer joking and wont be pulling off once the joke is done. As for how you are responding, well I find it scummy. Sounds like your problem not mine, cause unless you fix it im gunning to lynch you.

 

I like Len's tone so far.

FYI I'm overtaxed from the last few games I've played.

I am not going to try to be very analytical this game.

Gonna play it fast and loose. If anyone has a problem with that lynch me now.

I am ok with this.

I dont like Lenlo or Zander for tone. Something completely off with this. Gun to my head they are w/w.

Really?  What gives you that thought, besides tone?

ASK A MODERATOR!!!

 

Q: Would the Mafia, um, possibly have something, crazy, like um, a Sample Town Role PM / Fake-Claims, to prevent, like, people clearing themselves with wording in role PMs? Sorry for asking, I feel so silly.

A: Uh, duh? Get out of my office. Do you think we're amateurs?

 

Vote: Zander

 

I don't like his approach to the game, I find it scummy and have no problem voting such.  Continuing on.

 

lolololololol

[Hallia]

 

@BFG - I didn't officially say, but I will now: I do have a town lean on Eld, barring a re-read focusing on him. At work on mobile, so that probably won't happen until I get home

Ok thanks, do you have any reason to be suspicious of Zander other than his claim?

As I said, it wasn't the claim itself that I had a problem with. It was the manner in which he went about it. The tone of the whole pm color thing clearing him without a doubt when as Cory said, it doesnt. I don't like it at all, it,feels very fake to me.

[Zander?]

Hai lovelies

 

I really like Dice's posts!  It's a new world, I have him as town for now!

 

Hallia was wrecked as Scum before a few times for reading Dice as Scummy.  This posts may be a flip of plans but at best its null imo.

[BFG]

 

So?

 

He's asking your opinion on what you think I'm doing, why shouldn't I give the answer?

 

 

I dunno because maybe the reason I asked Eld was because I wanted to hear his response?

 

 

Which he gave, I don't see why I shouldn't answer to. And bluntly you're never going to get 'good' play out of me at 3am :/

[Shad_]

Ollie's being fussy and this is not my normal game time.  Chances of me being anywhere near caught up before DL are slim to none fwiw

[Hallia]

I'm not sure wolf hallia would have the guts to come after town monstrman d1 so I'm inclined to clear her tbh

I've missed playing, got that fire back!

[Hallia]

 

 

Hai lovelies

 

I really like Dice's posts! It's a new world, I have him as town for now!

Hallia was wrecked as Scum before a few times for reading Dice as Scummy. This posts may be a flip of plans but at best its null imo.

I've also done it as town, but you left that out.

[Lenlo]

 

Cmooon. Don't let Zander escape.

Did I ask/have you explained your Eldrick read? Wasn't your response to his 'fun being town with you this game?' 'likewise'? Yet you're watching him? I'll check in a minute

I did. I also said don't Mae me come after you this game. That was pg 14. It's now page 32 or something.

[Zander?]

 

why csarmi?  ure vote was a policy one so what makes u think he isnt town?

He seems off. He doesn't actually seem to care to figure out people's alignments.

 

 

Even if you believe this to be true, you wouldnt factor in the face Ive been on the defensive the whole game?  I also had been working on that to this point and since.

[Lenlo]

Cmon people, anyone have any question about Zander? I will answer anything you want to get this wolf lynched now

[Zander?]

 

 

 

You used my Charisma and "Force of personality" as your defense against me and reasons for sussing me in Matrix Len...

 

Nothing youve been saying has made me feel any better about you.

o_O

 

Zander

 

You and Lenlo were scum mates in Matrix.

 

 

WHAT DOES THAT MATTER???!!

 

He used as a reason to suss me and his defense against the Town sussing him in Matrix and is doing the same thing here,

 

This point you and Len are saying is because you were teammates you cant take his Scum Meta into consideration.  I completely disagree.

 

When you hard bus team mates, do you point to things they've done that were actually scummy, or do you, as a rule, always make up random crap?

 

 

 

I look for the same things as I do as Town.

[Zander?]

 

 

Im here. Just not much to say. I said my piece with Zander, dont wanna fight pointless battles about meta and the matrix game.

 

Waiting for other people to show up to talk to.

Thoughts on anyone else atm?

 

Feelin good about Hallia, BFG and Dice. Neutral on Alanna, Nolder and Turin. Wary of Eldrick and Csarmi.

 

 

Did you even mention these reads up to this point?  Can you explain why up to this point?