[Advanced] Gods and Demons Mafia - All your souls belong to Shad (Triads win)

Shad_ · January 19, 2016

If we lynch Zander, and he turns up town, well that's statistically likely with the rushed D0. But we have the day to work with.

If he flips scum, not only did we get one already, but we have a lead on a second one. IMO this is the course to take.

Either way, we go into D1 with N1 results and go from there.

The chances of us catching scum now are slim. They always are at the beginning of the game.

You think Laine's unvote might be alignment indicative. Ok. Do you think that's sufficient to move ahead with? Like, if this was a hybrid phase would you be cool with hammering Zander right now and seeing where things go from there?

Zander? · January 19, 2016

Ugh, this is an awful argument.

Zander's posting in purple, means he's either town or mafia have a sample Town role PM, or both /shrug

It doesn't clear him, his reaction is pretty extreme though.

Laine's reaction is marginally more interesting, there isn't a majority hammer Day 0, so her unvote is unnecessary, so she's conscious of her vote, but I'm not sure this means much at this point.

Its been starting D1 off though hasnt it???

No time for my usual fluff here. Its time to solve and get people involved.

And this has turned into a pretty good kickstarter. What do you think about the votes, what do you think about the non votes?

I wanted to do this to gauge peoples reactions to it. The non voters are kinda null really and not everyone has checked in. Im more interested in the reaction of the voters atp.

so u have 2 people who are or would policy vote you for it, 1 who said its poor form and lots of talk.

now tell me what you get out of that please

That I got the game going, spoke only the truth and that I didnt know it was an issue as I did nothing against what the rules of the game stated.

That all being said, Ill never do it again.

Shad_ · January 19, 2016

FTR I do like that Zander has jumped right into the game, minimizing the fluff. If you are town, I don't want to see you go.

But I also don't think Lenlo is scum. Who else are you considering? Can you convince me not to vote you?

Ah, feel free to ignore my last question.

dicetosser1 · January 19, 2016

Zander, why are you reading Lenlo as mafia at this point?

Why should I not be?

And Ive answered this more then once.

On Page 2; you go from saying that wolves will follow Lenlo, implying that Lenlo is town, to saying that Lenlo is mafia because he missed your colour code thing, later you accept his reason for missing it, but still have your vote on him, except now it's for unexplained reasons. You next say 'look at where your vote is' so are finding Lenlo scummy for reasons, but they remain unexplained for a while, now you're voting him because his reaction's 'off' and because he's not noting your meta play, etc, etc and the post where you explained this was immediately before mine, so your multiple explanations don't exist :/

I'm not a fan of this progression Tbh. A number of your posts feel calculated, the initial attempt to clear using colour code, the posts he's making about his own meta, particularly the one about OP's.

Meh I'm not going to be able to read Zander when he's on the defence like this.

Lenlo's position on you is equally odd, but I'm more inclined to lean town at the moment.

Where did I imply he was Town BFG? I want to see a direct quote on this, Cause I didnt and that is misrepping me.

And Ive explained my read of him more then once....you even made a Ninja'd post after I did.

This is not a good post from BFG at all.

I say in my post that you ninja'ed me with an explanation, but MULTIPLE explanations prior to that don't exist, that you hadn't moved on from. I quote your progression above, you go from saying he's mafia because he didn't see the colour stuff, then you accept it, but offer NO other explanation for your read UNTIL the post before mine...

I think literally the only other thing you mention about Lenlo in between the two is when you ask him if Yu were defensive in Matrix, but I don't see the relevance here - the only time you were really pushed in that game was from your teammate, so given you're arguing the situations different I don't see the point in this (admittedly my recollection of Matrix isn't great, so maybe I'm missing something)

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Is that fear I see in your eyes Zander? Is it fear that im reading in the tone of your posts?!

AM I A PSYCHIC?!

I dont fear anything Im just not gonna be happy when wolves can hide behind your vote Zander idea and mislynch me.

The fact that you think wolves are going to follow Lenlo's joke vote from sign up is an implication you don't think Lenlo is mafia at this point.

Thats not an implication at all and you know it. I said wolves can hide behind the idea. Nowhere did I state or imply that Len was Town.

Youre misrepping me here and really grasping at straws here.

I can see what BFG sees here particularly the way she worded it in red and then we get the blue from zanders own mouth so YES zander i too think you implied len was town

dicetosser1 · January 19, 2016

Specifically - your early claim felt calculated, and is obviously posted to try to garner easy town reads. I can see this coming from you as either alignment. Your post where you asked Lenlo about your OP also shows that you're AWARE of your meta this game and appear to be purposefully trying to garner a new meta, except Lenlo doesn't use meta, given you do you should know that, except Lenlo is using meta on you this game so I dunno.

So why are you specifically altering your approach this game?

For Zander

youre lucky you answered this with a yes or i WOULD be lynching you with fire

dicetosser1 · January 19, 2016

Ugh, this is an awful argument.

Zander's posting in purple, means he's either town or mafia have a sample Town role PM, or both /shrug

It doesn't clear him, his reaction is pretty extreme though.

Laine's reaction is marginally more interesting, there isn't a majority hammer Day 0, so her unvote is unnecessary, so she's conscious of her vote, but I'm not sure this means much at this point.

Its been starting D1 off though hasnt it???

No time for my usual fluff here. Its time to solve and get people involved.

And this has turned into a pretty good kickstarter. What do you think about the votes, what do you think about the non votes?

I wanted to do this to gauge peoples reactions to it. The non voters are kinda null really and not everyone has checked in. Im more interested in the reaction of the voters atp.

so u have 2 people who are or would policy vote you for it, 1 who said its poor form and lots of talk.

now tell me what you get out of that please

That I got the game going, spoke only the truth and that I didnt know it was an issue as I did nothing against what the rules of the game stated.

That all being said, Ill never do it again.

but nothing that helps reads of people?

Zander? · January 19, 2016

Here but going to bed shortly.

Zander, first your idea to try to clear yourself using formatting from your pm is borderline cheating. Poor form.

Secondly, it might not be valid as mods will frequently give the mafia a sample vt pm in their QT.

Finally, it does look worse that you took the bait on a "plan" from the sign up thread.

Good night everyone.

Oh p.s. Ithi is town

I DONT CHEAT MAN...I DID NOTHING OUTSIDE OF THE RULES OR SKIRTING THEM. IT SAYS I CAN CLAIM MY ROLE AND CHARACTER AND NO SCREEN SHOTS. I DIDNT BREAK ANY RULES SO WATCH WHAT YOU ARE ACCUSING ME OF PLEASE AND THANK YOU.

IF IT WASNT ONLY A 24 PHASE AND AN EASY WAY FOR SCUM TO "JOKE VOTE" AND LYNCH A TOWNIE ID PROLLY NOT REACTED THIS WAY. BUT NOW IF IM MISLYNCHED AND FLIP TOWN NOTHING WOULD BE GAINED FROM IT.

Yeah. When was the last time Zander all capped at someone? Warcraft. What was he in Warcraft? Wolf.

Not 100% positive, but nothing he has done has looked good imo.

blue he said BORDERLINE cheating and he is right it is. I will argue that i doubt you even know what pm matching is so i dont think it was a concious effort to do that

red so? that was the last time he did it. How OFTEN has he done it? answer = LOTS ive whinged at him about it a LOT in game and on skype. means nothing.

am also noting how often zander is mentioning the time frame not sure it really means anything but am noting he has done it a lot and its not something he normally does

I didnt know it was anything at all and i didnt lie about it and thats the truth,. The borderline makes no real difference to me. I said my piece and was polite about it.

And were on a 24 hour day clock. And Len was like Town!Zander goes #FULLZANDER at his scum reads. We were like 2 hours into the game and Len started to ping me.

Zander? · January 19, 2016

Zander, why are you reading Lenlo as mafia at this point?

Why should I not be?

And Ive answered this more then once.

On Page 2; you go from saying that wolves will follow Lenlo, implying that Lenlo is town, to saying that Lenlo is mafia because he missed your colour code thing, later you accept his reason for missing it, but still have your vote on him, except now it's for unexplained reasons. You next say 'look at where your vote is' so are finding Lenlo scummy for reasons, but they remain unexplained for a while, now you're voting him because his reaction's 'off' and because he's not noting your meta play, etc, etc and the post where you explained this was immediately before mine, so your multiple explanations don't exist :/

I'm not a fan of this progression Tbh. A number of your posts feel calculated, the initial attempt to clear using colour code, the posts he's making about his own meta, particularly the one about OP's.

Meh I'm not going to be able to read Zander when he's on the defence like this.

Lenlo's position on you is equally odd, but I'm more inclined to lean town at the moment.

Where did I imply he was Town BFG? I want to see a direct quote on this, Cause I didnt and that is misrepping me.

And Ive explained my read of him more then once....you even made a Ninja'd post after I did.

This is not a good post from BFG at all.

I say in my post that you ninja'ed me with an explanation, but MULTIPLE explanations prior to that don't exist, that you hadn't moved on from. I quote your progression above, you go from saying he's mafia because he didn't see the colour stuff, then you accept it, but offer NO other explanation for your read UNTIL the post before mine...

I think literally the only other thing you mention about Lenlo in between the two is when you ask him if Yu were defensive in Matrix, but I don't see the relevance here - the only time you were really pushed in that game was from your teammate, so given you're arguing the situations different I don't see the point in this (admittedly my recollection of Matrix isn't great, so maybe I'm missing something)

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Is that fear I see in your eyes Zander? Is it fear that im reading in the tone of your posts?!

AM I A PSYCHIC?!

I dont fear anything Im just not gonna be happy when wolves can hide behind your vote Zander idea and mislynch me.

The fact that you think wolves are going to follow Lenlo's joke vote from sign up is an implication you don't think Lenlo is mafia at this point.

Thats not an implication at all and you know it. I said wolves can hide behind the idea. Nowhere did I state or imply that Len was Town.

Youre misrepping me here and really grasping at straws here.

I can see what BFG sees here particularly the way she worded it in red and then we get the blue from zanders own mouth so YES zander i too think you implied len was town

I dont.

Zander? · January 19, 2016

Ugh, this is an awful argument.

Zander's posting in purple, means he's either town or mafia have a sample Town role PM, or both /shrug

It doesn't clear him, his reaction is pretty extreme though.

Laine's reaction is marginally more interesting, there isn't a majority hammer Day 0, so her unvote is unnecessary, so she's conscious of her vote, but I'm not sure this means much at this point.

Its been starting D1 off though hasnt it???

No time for my usual fluff here. Its time to solve and get people involved.

And this has turned into a pretty good kickstarter. What do you think about the votes, what do you think about the non votes?

I wanted to do this to gauge peoples reactions to it. The non voters are kinda null really and not everyone has checked in. Im more interested in the reaction of the voters atp.

so u have 2 people who are or would policy vote you for it, 1 who said its poor form and lots of talk.

now tell me what you get out of that please

That I got the game going, spoke only the truth and that I didnt know it was an issue as I did nothing against what the rules of the game stated.

That all being said, Ill never do it again.

but nothing that helps reads of people?

I thought you were asking me about what i felt.thought about peoples reaction to what i did from a kinda non game play standpoint.

Are you caught up because id so Ive already answered that about some people. Others still waiting on.

BFG · January 19, 2016

Because you say the mafia are following Lenlo, if they're following him the implication is that Lenlo is town...

BFG on what planet does that make sense at all???!!! Scum can follow other Scum??!!?!?!?!

Im sorry I just dont get how youre getting that implication from me at all.

Especially after Len brought it up in signups, like Scum!Len would/could follow that up and try to just coast by on "That was my plan" and for lololololol's kinda reasoning

You said that mafia were following Lenlo, to me this reads that you think Lenlo is town otherwise why not say that you think Lenlo is mafia? It doesn't read to me that you were saying that mafia! Lenlo is following pre rand Lenlo's idea.

I can accept that you didn't mean the implication, but I still read it as there.

how and why???!!!

ok I dont get it and nothing youve said explains to me how you came to that conclusion...

I literally don't know how else to explain it. It reads to me that you're sayimg that mafia are following Lenlo's joke vote, it reads that you think it is a joke vote from Lenlo, and that you think mafia will try and lynch you from it (presumably from serious votes), but if Lenlo's vote is a joke then he's not the mafia trying to lynch you because of his vote.

dicetosser1 · January 19, 2016

im caught up but i want you to lay out in one place what you learnt from ure ploy that informs reads on people in this game

Zander? · January 19, 2016

im caught up but i want you to lay out in one place what you learnt from ure ploy that informs reads on people in this game

thats there is def wolves on it the most likely being Len atp imo.

Some of the people that popped in and voted me and left need to be looked at as well.

i dont wanna keep bringing this cause its caused some bad feeling but i felt that anyone who hear the color and was Town would know that I was Town. the basic logic was really that simple brother.

BFG · January 19, 2016

Dice what's your read on Csarmi?

Zander what's your read on Turin?

Lenlo · January 19, 2016

im caught up but i want you to lay out in one place what you learnt from ure ploy that informs reads on people in this game

thats there is def wolves on it the most likely being Len atp imo.

Some of the people that popped in and voted me and left need to be looked at as well.

i dont wanna keep bringing this cause its caused some bad feeling but i felt that anyone who hear the color and was Town would know that I was Town. the basic logic was really that simple brother.

Except, heres the thing, mods already said they gave fake role pms to the wolves and there are multiple colorblind people here.

Lenlo · January 19, 2016

Dice, hwo do you think is wolf today?

BFG · January 19, 2016

And I need to be up for work in 3 hours, so I'm out.

I'm extremely unlikely to make it on again before work, I may make it on at lunch, if not after work which is a few hours before deadline.

Shad_ · January 19, 2016

You used my Charisma and "Force of personality" as your defense against me and reasons for sussing me in Matrix Len...

Nothing youve been saying has made me feel any better about you.

o_O

Zander

You and Lenlo were scum mates in Matrix.

dicetosser1 · January 19, 2016

Dangit. I wanted to be first. Got my role pm at 7. When I found out at 11, the thread wasn't up yet. I went back to sleep lol.

[v]Zander [/v]

fair enuff

Hi Zander, what do you think about Laine's vote/unvote?

It's been noted. I was under the impression Zander was going down N0. That's why the petition got attention. If he flips scum, I am looking at her for backing off.

this sets my teeth on edge

Ugh, this is an awful argument.

Zander's posting in purple, means he's either town or mafia have a sample Town role PM, or both /shrug

It doesn't clear him, his reaction is pretty extreme though.

Laine's reaction is marginally more interesting, there isn't a majority hammer Day 0, so her unvote is unnecessary, so she's conscious of her vote, but I'm not sure this means much at this point.

All it means is he believes town pm color is purple. That doesn't mean town is the only one that gets purple. It doesn't mean he's town. This isn't worth discussing.

tries to dismiss the colour talk

Hi Zander, what do you think about Laine's vote/unvote?
It's been noted. I was under the impression Zander was going down N0. That's why the petition got attention. If he flips scum, I am looking at her for backing off.
Serious?

Ok, what if he flips town?

Then we were wrong. It happens. And we learn something from how people acted about it.

If he flips town, it won't make Laine look scummy for unvoting.

red actually the way it started we would learn very little

blue i had a question mark about this he explains soon

Ugh, this is an awful argument.

Zander's posting in purple, means he's either town or mafia have a sample Town role PM, or both /shrug

It doesn't clear him, his reaction is pretty extreme though.

Laine's reaction is marginally more interesting, there isn't a majority hammer Day 0, so her unvote is unnecessary, so she's conscious of her vote, but I'm not sure this means much at this point.

All it means is he believes town pm color is purple. That doesn't mean town is the only one that gets purple. It doesn't mean he's town. This isn't worth discussing.

So you dont feel this is relevant at all? Not just pertaining to me but anyone thus far?

No. I dont. If you are town, you would know the color.

If you are scum, you could have a sample and believe you know the color

And we have no idea what color 3rd parties got their pm in. It might also be purple to make this null.

The color of your role bears no distinction to your alignment until proven otherwise.

brings up 3p he mentions 3p a couple of times

Hi Zander, what do you think about Laine's vote/unvote?
It's been noted. I was under the impression Zander was going down N0. That's why the petition got attention. If he flips scum, I am looking at her for backing off.
Serious?

Ok, what if he flips town?

Then we were wrong. It happens. And we learn something from how people acted about it.

If he flips town, it won't make Laine look scummy for unvoting.

I CALL BS

Nothing would be learned because everyone could just say they were just following the joke.

Except that my staying on you getting lynched isn't a joke reason anymore. The fact that Laine unvoted so quickly looks bad if you are scum. So I want to find out.

so why not vote Laine then??

@Lenlo

Irt Laine unvoting and Zander flipping town.

I said she doesn't look scummy for it because she wouldn't have the "he's my teammate. I'm backing of this joke train" vibe

If she's scum and he's town, she wouldn't know that. She would only know he isn't on her team. And she would look 'not scum' to me because scum would stay on the train if it wasn't a teammate imo.

except scum DO white Knight townies.

@Lenlo

Irt Laine unvoting and Zander flipping town.

I said she doesn't look scummy for it because she wouldn't have the "he's my teammate. I'm backing of this joke train" vibe

If she's scum and he's town, she wouldn't know that. She would only know he isn't on her team. And she would look 'not scum' to me because scum would stay on the train if it wasn't a teammate imo.

Odd, if Laine was mafia and Zander wasn't on her team why wouldn't she know he was town? Odds are extremely good he'd be town not third party in that scenario...

But people seem to forget they exist. If you aren't scum, you're town. There's also the possibility of 2 scum teams. We don't know. That's what I'm getting at. She wouldn't know he's town.

3p again

vote eldrick he is either scum or 3p feels like he has info i dont

Zander? · January 19, 2016

Dice what's your read on Csarmi?

Zander what's your read on Turin?

im caught up but i want you to lay out in one place what you learnt from ure ploy that informs reads on people in this game

thats there is def wolves on it the most likely being Len atp imo.

Some of the people that popped in and voted me and left need to be looked at as well.

i dont wanna keep bringing this cause its caused some bad feeling but i felt that anyone who hear the color and was Town would know that I was Town. the basic logic was really that simple brother.

Except, heres the thing, mods already said they gave fake role pms to the wolves and there are multiple colorblind people here.

Yes AFTER the fact I brought it up. I obv didnt know that anyone playing was color blind. The sample Role wasnt in the OP. But the basic point of the move will be validated after the game.

Lenlo · January 19, 2016

You used my Charisma and "Force of personality" as your defense against me and reasons for sussing me in Matrix Len...

Nothing youve been saying has made me feel any better about you.

o_O

Zander

You and Lenlo were scum mates in Matrix.

Thats what ive been saying for pages.

Zander? · January 19, 2016

Dice what's your read on Csarmi?

Zander what's your read on Turin?

Dude has 1 post.

Zander? · January 19, 2016

You used my Charisma and "Force of personality" as your defense against me and reasons for sussing me in Matrix Len...

Nothing youve been saying has made me feel any better about you.

o_O

Zander

You and Lenlo were scum mates in Matrix.

WHAT DOES THAT MATTER???!!

He used as a reason to suss me and his defense against the Town sussing him in Matrix and is doing the same thing here,

This point you and Len are saying is because you were teammates you cant take his Scum Meta into consideration. I completely disagree.

dicetosser1 · January 19, 2016

im caught up but i want you to lay out in one place what you learnt from ure ploy that informs reads on people in this game

thats there is def wolves on it the most likely being Len atp imo.

Some of the people that popped in and voted me and left need to be looked at as well.

i dont wanna keep bringing this cause its caused some bad feeling but i felt that anyone who hear the color and was Town would know that I was Town. the basic logic was really that simple brother.

Dice what's your read on Csarmi?

Zander what's your read on Turin?

the pop in vote is normal csarmi the policy vote explanation is csarmi ish but i did immeadiately cock an eyebrow when i read it as it seemed convienent too. end up saying unsure probably more townish at this point but we are talking a very small amount

Dice, hwo do you think is wolf today?

bro lol you keep asking me questions as im in the midst of answering them

i think eldrick

Lenlo · January 19, 2016

Dice, hwo do you think is wolf today?

bro lol you keep asking me questions as im in the midst of answering them

i think eldrick

Means were on the same wavelength :P

Watcha think of Zander, cause atm I really dont see myself movin from him unless somethin big happens

dicetosser1 · January 19, 2016

i think he needs to live today

if he is lynched we cant tell any real info off it cause its too easy to say petition or policy lynch

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