[Advanced] Gods and Demons Mafia - All your souls belong to Shad (Triads win)

[Zander?]

 

 

Vote Count

 

Zander - 5 - Lenlo, Shad, Sooh, Eldrick, csarmi

Lenlo - 1 - Zander

alannalynn - 1 - Nolder

 

Day Zero will end at 5:00 PM Eastern on 1/19/16.  

 

 

Who is the wolf or wolves on my Train in everyones opinion? 

 

Shad, Eldrick, Sooh, Lenlo, and probably Csarmi.

 

 

lololololol

 

really come on Nol!!!!

[Eldrick4221]

It was a twisted fact and you know it Z. 6/10 is weak? Its in the greater half of the spectrum dude. By definition thats not weak.

 

Yes im trying to force you to build a case on me and explain yourself better. If your town, you have a chance to towntell to me. If your scum you have a chance to convince people to mislynch me. Either way, explaining and casing is in your best interest.

 

 

 

@Lenlo

 

Irt Laine unvoting and Zander flipping town.

 

I said she doesn't look scummy for it because she wouldn't have the "he's my teammate. I'm backing of this joke train" vibe

 

If she's scum and he's town, she wouldn't know that. She would only know he isn't on her team. And she would look 'not scum' to me because scum would stay on the train if it wasn't a teammate imo.

Odd, if Laine was mafia and Zander wasn't on her team why wouldn't she know he was town? Odds are extremely good he'd be town not third party in that scenario...

But people seem to forget they exist. If you aren't scum, you're town. There's also the possibility of 2 scum teams. We don't know. That's what I'm getting at. She wouldn't know he's town.

 

This is the same kinda thing I got onto you for in Ragnarok dude. Its makin me suspect.

 

 

 

Are you asking me to expand Manbat?

 

Basically in Rag D1 Eldrick was annoyed/surprised that a Third Parties Wincon had been posted in the opening post by the mods. This struck me as odd and I followed him on it and future stuff all through the game until he got lynched and flipped scum.

It is proven fact that scums openly 3p hunt, by the way

 

 

In Ragnarok I was gunning for 3rd party. In hindsight, it was bad of me to focus. That's not what I'm doing here, though. I'm just pointing out it's bad to assume someone is town if you know they aren't on your mafia team. It's bad to come to conclusions about anything about other people's role without evidence.

 

 

 

Hi Zander, what do you think about Laine's vote/unvote?

It's been noted. I was under the impression Zander was going down N0. That's why the petition got attention. If he flips scum, I am looking at her for backing off.

 

Erm, would you say your vote was serious?

 

 

Initially, not so much. I was running with the petition idea from the signup. Anyone is as good a choice as anyone else with the 24hr time constraint.

 

But after Laine unvoted, it became a serious vote. I want to know what comes of this interaction.

[Zander?]

Zander - how calculated is your game play this round?

 

 

Do you feel im being calculating and if so how?  Do you feel its a tell of some sort?

 

Im just reading the game and making observations and points.

[BFG]

 

/shrug I'll accept that you didn't mean that implication, but the implication's there.

 

Can you show where you've explained your read 'more than once' prior to the post before mine, which comes after Lenlo'a asked you for it (I think multiple times, but I don't want to fact check lol)?

 

 

I wanna check the /shrug thing I know this may sound strange but I THINK I remember you doing this a fair bit in NBC.

 

Town!BFG would look into what shes asking for herself more often then not imo.

 

Why dont you look back and see what you come up with yourself.

 

A disinterested and unwilling to put in the work BFG is prolly a scummy one.

 

Where have I shown unwilling or disinterested? I've read your ISO and stated your progression on Lenlo, I want you to show me if I'm wrong, where

[BFG]

 

Zander - how calculated is your game play this round?

 

 

Do you feel im being calculating and if so how?  Do you feel its a tell of some sort?

 

Im just reading the game and making observations and points.

 

Yes, I've said as much. It's not something I specifically remember from you before which is why I'm asking

[Eldrick4221]

This game is advanced. The balance of this game will change as the game progresses. This was mentioned in the signups.

 

I am 95% certain that 3rd parties exist out there.

[Lenlo]

This game is advanced. The balance of this game will change as the game progresses. This was mentioned in the signups.

 

I am 95% certain that 3rd parties exist out there.

Eldrick obv scum, reference  Ragnarok :P

 

(Thats a joke)

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

Vote Count

 

Zander - 5 - Lenlo, Shad, Sooh, Eldrick, csarmi

Lenlo - 1 - Zander

alannalynn - 1 - Nolder

 

Day Zero will end at 5:00 PM Eastern on 1/19/16.  

 

 

Who is the wolf or wolves on my Train in everyones opinion? 

 

Think your a wolf ofc.

 

That said if you flip town, the most likely wolves are either Eldrick or Csarmi, leaning Csarmi. Yeah its a policy vote, but those are simple to hide behind and may just be convenient even if he truly believes it. 4th or 5th place is also a decent place to hide in a train. Atm though im not suspecting either of them very much.

 

 

 

Len PLEASE DONT think Im being a jerk or anything but this is a legit question.  Do you really think that you could pick me out as Scum D1?

 

its happened 3 times.

 

In WoW- Where I was sussed out by Shad and not mislynched but Vigged N1

In Diablo Yates sussed me hard but STILL felt the need to COP view me N1 to setup the lynch D2

And I forget the name but it was a Wheel of Time games where I was legit outed and fake claim wasnt believed in only my second Scum game.

 

Im asking this because I feel like youre too sure of your read of me atp and you dont have this solid of reads this early in games iirc.

 

Yes I do. After observing your scum game 3 times up close, 1 of them being on your team and reading up on it, I think I do. I feel at this point I can read you better than most. Now of course I dont think my general ability it all that great, im not a good player of this game, but I think I have your number.

 

Theres also the fact that im not 100% on you. Im about 70-80% on you being scum, theres simply no one higher.

 

 

Who do you feel like in this game can read me better then you?  Because having my number is not the case for you imo.  I dont even hate that youre stating you dont have someone higher then me its the reasoning and surety of it as EARLY as you started it.

 

Can you bullet point your case on me please?

[Zander?]

To follow up: In Wow I had an inkling about you, but brushed it off cause I let you sway me with your charisma. Not this game.

 

Can you show a link to posts that this happened?  Cause obv if not this is a completely invalidated statement.

 

BTW Zander, you will never offend me. After Despo I learned really well what happens in the game stays in the game.

 

 

:wub:

 

Thank you because it was a legit question.

[Eldrick4221]

 

This game is advanced. The balance of this game will change as the game progresses. This was mentioned in the signups.

 

I am 95% certain that 3rd parties exist out there.

Eldrick obv scum, reference  Ragnarok :P

 

(Thats a joke)

 

:P

[Nolder]

 

 

 

Vote Count

 

Zander - 5 - Lenlo, Shad, Sooh, Eldrick, csarmi

Lenlo - 1 - Zander

alannalynn - 1 - Nolder

 

Day Zero will end at 5:00 PM Eastern on 1/19/16.  

 

 

Who is the wolf or wolves on my Train in everyones opinion? 

 

Shad, Eldrick, Sooh, Lenlo, and probably Csarmi.

 

 

lololololol

 

really come on Nol!!!!

 

When you ask a serious question you'll get a serious answer.

 

How am I supposed to know who, if anyone, is a scum on your train?

It's all a joke. You can tell as easily as I can who's really joking and who's using the joke as an excuse.

 

Sheesh.

[Zander?]

 

 

/shrug I'll accept that you didn't mean that implication, but the implication's there.

 

Can you show where you've explained your read 'more than once' prior to the post before mine, which comes after Lenlo'a asked you for it (I think multiple times, but I don't want to fact check lol)?

 

 

I wanna check the /shrug thing I know this may sound strange but I THINK I remember you doing this a fair bit in NBC.

 

Town!BFG would look into what shes asking for herself more often then not imo.

 

Why dont you look back and see what you come up with yourself.

 

A disinterested and unwilling to put in the work BFG is prolly a scummy one.

 

Where have I shown unwilling or disinterested? I've read your ISO and stated your progression on Lenlo, I want you to show me if I'm wrong, where

 

 

because of the fact youre not pulling them up yourself to see if im right or to try and prove me wrong.  The last statement was a tell to me,  BFG you know yourself youre much more involved and interested as Town!BFG then as Scum!BFG.  Your content is also another part of that tell.  Weak reasoning is part of content.

 

Could be interesting as to why you didnt address the /shrug comment either.

 

You want all the posts where I sussed Len? Or some in particular? 

[Zander?]

 

 

Zander - how calculated is your game play this round?

 

 

Do you feel im being calculating and if so how?  Do you feel its a tell of some sort?

 

Im just reading the game and making observations and points.

 

Yes, I've said as much. It's not something I specifically remember from you before which is why I'm asking

 

 

 

I wanted you to show me and explain the thought process behind it,

 

Im just Towning the game up imo.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

Vote Count

 

Zander - 5 - Lenlo, Shad, Sooh, Eldrick, csarmi

Lenlo - 1 - Zander

alannalynn - 1 - Nolder

 

Day Zero will end at 5:00 PM Eastern on 1/19/16.  

 

 

Who is the wolf or wolves on my Train in everyones opinion? 

 

Shad, Eldrick, Sooh, Lenlo, and probably Csarmi.

 

 

lololololol

 

really come on Nol!!!!

 

When you ask a serious question you'll get a serious answer.

 

How am I supposed to know who, if anyone, is a scum on your train?

It's all a joke. You can tell as easily as I can who's really joking and who's using the joke as an excuse.

 

Sheesh.

 

 

 

I wanted people to answer this to gauge who and why.

 

ok seriously.

 

IYO who is MOST likely to be Scum and why?  Or do you feel all or none of the scum team is one my train?

[Lenlo]

Dunno bout other people. Shad and Cory are up there.

 

As for the case on you:

• You started out with the Role PM Claim BS (Not alignment indicative but referenced later in the case)
• The joke votes start coming in (Reminder: This phase has no majority lynch. 24 hours regardless)
• You begin to overreact to them imo.
• I state this pings me
• You begin to accuse me of being scum because im taking a stance
• You explode on me in all caps, something ive only seen you do as scum.
• I explain all this
• You then attempt say my read of your meta and such is wrong without providing clear counter examples.
• This entire time your "case" on me progressed yet never directly referenced any posts or anything. Simply said im wolfy for these reasons, now for these reasons
• When pressed for a case you said its to early to go full Zander, while the entire time you were saying its a 24 hour phase we need to get started
• You have omgused everyone who has been critical of you (Ex: Myself and BFG), trying to discredit what we say rather than disproving it or demonstrating you are town.
• All of this reminds me of prior scum games with you and leads me to believe you are scum.
• Now when we have calmed down abit, your asking around, but you always come back to me without making a full case like I am doing for you, even though I asked for one repeatedly

Ill try and get exact quotes later. Basically your tone, reaction, reasoning and progression all doesnt look like town Zander. And if I dont see town!Zander early in a game where he says we have to get serious early, then I cant help but think your not town. Its possible your not scum, but I really dont think your town.

 

 

 

To follow up: In Wow I had an inkling about you, but brushed it off cause I let you sway me with your charisma. Not this game.

 

Can you show a link to posts that this happened?  Cause obv if not this is a completely invalidated statement.

 

BTW Zander, you will never offend me. After Despo I learned really well what happens in the game stays in the game.

 

 

:wub:

 

Thank you because it was a legit question.

 

I dunno if I posted it or not, but how does there not being a post about an inkling invalidate a statement about a prior game? Is this relevant to my alignment? Because im simply saying I feel I can read you.

 

And yeah, dont worry bout it. Ill just go cry in a corner with my ice cream when no one is looking.

[Zander?]

 

It was a twisted fact and you know it Z. 6/10 is weak? Its in the greater half of the spectrum dude. By definition thats not weak.

 

Yes im trying to force you to build a case on me and explain yourself better. If your town, you have a chance to towntell to me. If your scum you have a chance to convince people to mislynch me. Either way, explaining and casing is in your best interest.

 

 

 

@Lenlo

 

Irt Laine unvoting and Zander flipping town.

 

I said she doesn't look scummy for it because she wouldn't have the "he's my teammate. I'm backing of this joke train" vibe

 

If she's scum and he's town, she wouldn't know that. She would only know he isn't on her team. And she would look 'not scum' to me because scum would stay on the train if it wasn't a teammate imo.

Odd, if Laine was mafia and Zander wasn't on her team why wouldn't she know he was town? Odds are extremely good he'd be town not third party in that scenario...

But people seem to forget they exist. If you aren't scum, you're town. There's also the possibility of 2 scum teams. We don't know. That's what I'm getting at. She wouldn't know he's town.

 

This is the same kinda thing I got onto you for in Ragnarok dude. Its makin me suspect.

 

 

 

Are you asking me to expand Manbat?

 

Basically in Rag D1 Eldrick was annoyed/surprised that a Third Parties Wincon had been posted in the opening post by the mods. This struck me as odd and I followed him on it and future stuff all through the game until he got lynched and flipped scum.

It is proven fact that scums openly 3p hunt, by the way

 

 

In Ragnarok I was gunning for 3rd party. In hindsight, it was bad of me to focus. That's not what I'm doing here, though. I'm just pointing out it's bad to assume someone is town if you know they aren't on your mafia team. It's bad to come to conclusions about anything about other people's role without evidence.

 

 

 

Hi Zander, what do you think about Laine's vote/unvote?

It's been noted. I was under the impression Zander was going down N0. That's why the petition got attention. If he flips scum, I am looking at her for backing off.

 

Erm, would you say your vote was serious?

 

 

Initially, not so much. I was running with the petition idea from the signup. Anyone is as good a choice as anyone else with the 24hr time constraint.

 

But after Laine unvoted, it became a serious vote. I want to know what comes of this interaction.

 

 

So Laines unvote concerned you but you feel the need to keep your vote on me?

[Lenlo]

I really should keep a notepad going... but its so much wooooooooork.

[Nolder]

I wanted people to answer this to gauge who and why.

 

ok seriously.

 

IYO who is MOST likely to be Scum and why?  Or do you feel all or none of the scum team is one my train?

 

There is no way to meaningfully distinguish between them at this time.

[alannalynn]

Checking in at break: I hate all of you.

[Nolder]

I really should keep a notepad going... but its so much wooooooooork.

I'm not even going to reread. This game is literally only ever going to be 1 page long for me.

If I miss something on the last page oh well.

[Nolder]

Checking in at break: I hate all of you.

It's ok Alanna, it will all be over soon.

Just close your eyes.

[Lenlo]

 

I really should keep a notepad going... but its so much wooooooooork.

I'm not even going to reread. This game is literally only ever going to be 1 page long for me.

If I miss something on the last page oh well.

 

I wish I could do this, but I would hate myself.

 

Checking in at break: I hate all of you.

<3

[BFG]

 

 

 

/shrug I'll accept that you didn't mean that implication, but the implication's there.

 

Can you show where you've explained your read 'more than once' prior to the post before mine, which comes after Lenlo'a asked you for it (I think multiple times, but I don't want to fact check lol)?

 

 

I wanna check the /shrug thing I know this may sound strange but I THINK I remember you doing this a fair bit in NBC.

 

Town!BFG would look into what shes asking for herself more often then not imo.

 

Why dont you look back and see what you come up with yourself.

 

A disinterested and unwilling to put in the work BFG is prolly a scummy one.

 

Where have I shown unwilling or disinterested? I've read your ISO and stated your progression on Lenlo, I want you to show me if I'm wrong, where

 

 

because of the fact youre not pulling them up yourself to see if im right or to try and prove me wrong.  The last statement was a tell to me,  BFG you know yourself youre much more involved and interested as Town!BFG then as Scum!BFG.  Your content is also another part of that tell.  Weak reasoning is part of content.

 

Could be interesting as to why you didnt address the /shrug comment either.

 

You want all the posts where I sussed Len? Or some in particular?

 

/shrug comment is null, what is there to comment on?

 

If you're town read me better, you're missing my biggest/most obvious tell that despite knowing about since Pokemon I haven't ever managed to address

 

And you're following style over substance. I either have a photographic memory or I've read your ISO at least once (to remember your Matrix comment). Interestingly there are 2 posts that probably deserve a comment, albeit one's just for lols

[BFG]

 

 

 

Zander - how calculated is your game play this round?

 

 

Do you feel im being calculating and if so how?  Do you feel its a tell of some sort?

 

Im just reading the game and making observations and points.

 

Yes, I've said as much. It's not something I specifically remember from you before which is why I'm asking

 

 

 

I wanted you to show me and explain the thought process behind it,

 

Im just Towning the game up imo.

 

And I want you to explain if you're being more calculated this game on purpose or not?

[Eldrick4221]

I'm really enjoying being town in a game with you, Lenlo. It's a whole different perspective to watch you go after someone else. I like it. I feel good about you.