[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[Nolder]

Is pikachu an important point in history?

You could argue that Pikachu is the most recognizable Pokemon and one of the pillars of Nintendo and thus all of gaming. Making it, alongside other characters such as Mario responsible for the revitalization of the gaming industry which now far outpaces film and television in terms of revenue.

 

The release of Pokemon in the west I would say marked the point where Nintendo went from a successful game company to the start of a juggernaut. Consider this: Pikachu, being the most iconic character at the head of one of the most successful game franchises ever wielded by the largest game company ever, has contributed to making Nintendo about $50 billion as of 2013. The original Red and Blue versions hit American stores in 1998 if I recall correctly. That means in 15 years Pikachu helped make $50 billion. Let's compare that to another mega franchise in the news recently, Star Wars. The Star Wars franchise has produced not only mega hit movies which are cultural icons but video games as well innumerable toys and merchandise. A plethora of books and comics, hell even Al Yankovic parodied a couple songs using Star Wars as his setting. In 40 years Star Wars has managed to produce $37 billion. So you see Pikachu, through Pokemon, is an economic powerhouse the likes of which we don't see very often in media.

[csarmi]

Also Len/Laine are literally never w/w there.

[Lenlo]

 

Is pikachu an important point in history?

You could argue that Pikachu is the most recognizable Pokemon and one of the pillars of Nintendo and thus all of gaming. Making it, alongside other characters such as Mario responsible for the revitalization of the gaming industry which now far outpaces film and television in terms of revenue.

 

The release of Pokemon in the west I would say marked the point where Nintendo went from a successful game company to the start of a juggernaut. Consider this: Pikachu, being the most iconic character at the head of one of the most successful game franchises ever wielded by the largest game company ever, has contributed to making Nintendo about $50 billion as of 2013. The original Red and Blue versions hit American stores in 1998 if I recall correctly. That means in 15 years Pikachu helped make $50 billion. Let's compare that to another mega franchise in the news recently, Star Wars. The Star Wars franchise has produced not only mega hit movies which are cultural icons but video games as well innumerable toys and merchandise. A plethora of books and comics, hell even Al Yankovic parodied a couple songs using Star Wars as his setting. In 40 years Star Wars has managed to produce $37 billion. So you see Pikachu, through Pokemon, is an economic powerhouse the likes of which we don't see very often in media.

 

Nolder obv town with Shad, 10 more to go.

[Zander?]

Zander-

 

Are you trying to pocket me?

 

I get that you're not pushing me today, just poking a little with a stick. It should be null given you just discussed giving me more time before the rand.

 

I get the sense that you're finding reasons to call me town and putting me in your top townie slot almost as a command decision rather than anything else.

 

Is this true? It doesn't necessarily mean you're a wolf if so. It's just the impression I'm getting. As if you're specifically taking a different approach and arriving at square 100 without doing all the hopscotch in the middle, just because it's simpler.

 

 

First of all we are both ALWAYS in each others pockets...

 

First thing Ill mention is that nobody else is OVERLY Town Telling atp.  But I feel like you are more then the rest. Ive like your tone and the points youre making.  Our reads have been pretty similar as well.  Ive also found with the Meta i FEEL like i have with you, you are playing somewhat similar to NBC.

 

I tend to as either alignment to work with someone I feel is not just Towny but a solid player as well.  Ive been reading your posts with the info you gave me in our Skype chat to try and weigh against your posts. You've said some stuff thats made me question things but the positive is outweighing the negative thus far.

 

Also like I said after misreading you in WE you are not a D1 lynch for me anymore.

 

So I guess I pulled a Pizza with the wordy response when I should have just said....Yes I guess so.

 

lolololololol

[csarmi]

Going to sleep soon btw. Freaking -10C outside most of the day. Drained me.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

Shad, please attempt to describe your take on Lenlo's meta.

First ya Id like to hear your thoughts on Len's Meta.....and mine as well!!!!!!

 

Summarize everything I think I know about how Lenlo thinks and behaves as town vs as scum?

 

That's a long exercise, and one I find borderline counterproductive at this stage, and I don't really think of people as a list of dos and don'ts in the first place. The whole value of a meta read is that it allows you to catch people being dishonest in subtle ways that are not objectively alignment indicative.

 

I'll call what I see when I see it.

 

 

@Shad re the bold.

I think it's more important that you explain why you see what you see when asked.

I don't need an entire explanation of Lenlo's meta (though I'd like it!).

 

What I want to know is what you saw/were thinking when you said Lenlo was Town. This response feels like you're avoiding explanation of your read.

 

 

 

 

 

Shad, please attempt to describe your take on Lenlo's meta.

First ya Id like to hear your thoughts on Len's Meta.....and mine as well!!!!!!

Summarize everything I think I know about how Lenlo thinks and behaves as town vs as scum?

That's a long exercise, and one I find borderline counterproductive at this stage, and I don't really think of people as a list of dos and don'ts in the first place. The whole value of a meta read is that it allows you to catch people being dishonest in subtle ways that are not objectively alignment indicative.

I'll call what I see when I see it.

 

[v]Shad[/v]

 

Why are you voting Shad?

 

I think he is mafia. Do you think he is town?

 

He came out and said he had good meta on Lenlo. When asked to elaborate, he refused to do so. The story he told was gobbledygook to me. It leads me to believe he was merely making it up. I don't see a good reason to do that as town.

 

 

 

 

We'll start with the course of events:

 

I came into the game claiming that I felt I had good meta on Zander, Laine, Lenlo, and Nolder. Lenlo asked me to explain my meta on him. I told him it doesn't really work that way.

 

Then we started joking around, and the event concluded with both of us jokingly calling the other lock town. I followed this up by saying: "I almost want to legit town read you for saying that when I did."

 

A number of people +1'd Lenlo's initial question about meta, and we arrive at the two quotes above.

 

First, meta: I have seen these players as town multiple times. I have seen these players as scum multiple times. I am aware of subtle distinctions, sometimes consciously but more often on the gut level. I am aware of how they tend to process information, and have a higher probability of pinpointing certain posts as clearly dishonest or beyond the scope of their scum game. That is meta. It is not something I can summarize, and it's not something that really comes into play when there is literally zero content from the subject to work with. Content is absolutely necessary, unless someone's scum tell is they never show up to the game and immediately request a sub, or some such nonsense. It is not something I would write a book on, both because I couldn't articulate a lot of it and because it's not in our vested interest for me to hand a player "Shad's Guide to Convincing Shad to Hard Defend You When You are Scum". As a matter of fact, I'm still kicking myself for recently telling a player pretty much "this is exactly how you can fool me", because it renders me less capable of trusting reads based on that behavior. Even if the player is wholly incapable of replicating anything I tell them, it's counterproductive for the simple reason that I can't know this and will not be able to correctly town read them as easily in the future.

 

So anyway, no, I don't have an answer to "What is Lenlo's meta" and I frankly think it's a stupid, overgeneralized question.

 

However, I did make a statement later which might be misunderstood to sugggest I had some sort of read on Lenlo which could potentially be based on meta. I was well aware of this. The process was thus: I had fun with a player and we both made the same joke at the same time, telling me that our heads were in the same place about something.  That feels good, and the natural inclination is always to call it town, so I typed a post accordingly but thought a (very brief) moment before submitting.  It stemmed from a null encounter, and considering I have seen Lenlo in particular joke around freely as scum, it was an incredibly null reaction.  But rather than saying nothing, I dropped the statement with an "almost". It's not a real read. It's an "I wish I could" read. But I knew it would draw attention, and I wanted that.

 

It was never a read at all, and if anything was meta based it was my hesitance to make it a read. I think most scum would struggle somewhat to joke so freely at the start of a game and drop a hard "x is town" statement even when it's clearly in jest. They get nervous that it might draw unwanted attention. But scum!Lenlo probably wouldn't let that phase him (to his credit).

 

Cass, as it seems to me, saw the numerous questions @ me regarding Lenlo's meta out of context. She saw my potential read on Lenlo, then saw the questions, then saw me to decline to answer, and she made the mental leap to "Shad wants us to think he has a meta-based town read on Lenlo, but he choked when asked to explain it". That's a townie thought process. I believe it probably really was Cass's thought process, because of the sequence in which she engaged the topic. She commented on the exchange between us, then she commented on my response to the meta question, and she never looked back to notice that the meta question originated prior to the exchange.

 

Turin is in quite the opposite boat. To the best of my memory, he was the first to resurrect Lenlo's initial question. He could not have gotten there without necessarily seeing that it came prior to our exchange. So he had no obvious accidental reason to believe that my "I wish I could" read on Lenlo was meta-based.  This conclusion would take, for him, a slightly further stretch.  And while I didn't have an opportunity to prod him for the origin of why he brought up this question, he never mixed my conversation with Lenlo into the picture. He simply said he thought I was scum for failing to produce a breakdown of Lenlo's scum game vs his town game after I'd claimed to read him well, and that was the end of that. It's incredibly lazy. I don't know that it's dishonest, but it certainly doesn't feel honest. I don't like it. And there is always the question of would scum do something so meh right out the gate. In my experience: often enough that I'm not going to give a player I'm unfamiliar with any sort of pass here. Town!Turin needs to prove to me that his vote was honest, by explaining exactly what was going through his head then and now. You're up.

 

 

So many word!!!!!!!

[Zander?]

I just got caught up for a minute. I have  few minutes right now while tidying the house. I will respond to Shad's last post first. Then if have time will go back and respond to Laine and some other things I noticed. 

 

First off the jokey interaction from the both of you had nothing to do with my vote. It was completely to do with your coming out and stating that you had something to read Len by but then refusing to elaborate. False promises (to me) are something more likely to come from mafia than town. You call it lazy I call it simple. Maybe I am too "shallow" for you but it is my experience that mafia will do whatever they think can help them win.  sometimes they will even do things in early game that are nothing more than a tweak at the town. I have done it. Len has done it. I would be surprised if you haven't done it. 

 

You say you don't know if it is dishonest but you don't think it is honest. This is a nudge. Make a choice. Take a stand. change it later if you think it is justified. You say you don't like it but imo your reasoning is a bunch of doubletalk. Again this is more likely to come from mafia than town. 

 

 

Not a fan of Turin's weak reasoning for voting and this doesnt make me feel any better about it

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

#278 Turin, I want to point out that this is now a false meta on Lenlo. He's been changing how he plays. Zander comments on this #363 too, and I agree with his statement. Lenlo all growed up now

I assume you meant #287, I recognize that Lenlo's game has improved but what is false about Turin's statement?

 

Yes it was 287, oops.

 

I said false because that's not necessarily Lenlo's meta anymore. Turin is commenting as if Lenlo is here just to be the life of the party, but he's actually started becoming a solid player who is good for the town. Just seems an outdated meta to supply on thread and that's why Zander and I called it out.

 

 

 

 

 

@ Cass, I would say that Lenlo posting in that manner is completely null for him (1). Also too early for it to mean anything about Shad as they were basically the only two in thread at that time (2).

Ty! (*Numbers added to points for reference)

1) What differences would you expect from Lenlo as either alignment?

2) Do you have a read on either?

 

In that particular jokey exchange I would expect Len to be exactly the same in either alignment. He loves to have fun with the other players even if it makes him potentially look bad. The fun is (or at least was) more important to him. That is why I said it is completely null.

 

Now if at a later time he tries to use that read as valid then I would find him most suspicious.

 

 

 

Ok, well, I didn't get the "just the life of the party" idea from Turin. I got that Lenlo enjoys joking around and isn't worries about people misinterpreting it regardless of his alignment. I think this is generally true and stands independent of improvements to Lenlo's game, though tbf I never knew the "old" Lenlo so if he did the salami lolcat thing a lot then I can see where you're coming from. Turin's observation that Lenlo pressing it as a serious read later would be scummy is absolutely true, though the odds of that happening after forewarning from multiple players is approximately non-existent.

 

I was trying to find a post in an earlier game that relates to what I'm trying to explain but I'm not quite getting there and it's more than way past my bedtime. ANYWAYS, Lenlo used to be a floater and never really added much to the game. He was here to hang out and joke around and probably be a mislynch day 1. Now, since his improvements, he's town telling and actively getting involved in the game. That has resulted in the extension of his life in games as well as the development of a strong town player.

Alanna, I think that your description of Len's "old" game is not giving enough credit. Len was always a player that could come up with strokes of genius when motivated and engaged but frequently didn't really have the time to do so. (sort of like me for the past year or so). Regardless, I am aware that he has committed himself to improving his game in general. My point is that this is jokey interaction is NOT necessarily part of his game but is part of his personality. I don't think that has changed.  

 

I don't like your statement to him to basically just "shut up and accept your town read of him". It feels like you are saying "get back in my pocket". 

 

 

 

I actually feel like that's certainly a way some people could interpret that.  My problem is I dont know if thats how HE did tho......

[Nolder]

The following people are people I need to have better reads on: Wish, Nomi, Csarmi, Pral, Turin.

 

If you're on that list you should help me read you because right now I'm struggling.

[Zander?]

 

Where I am currently...

 

1. Shad: I didn't like the meta incident. Further I really didn't like the way he tried to frame the argument that it was a stupid discussion. It felt like an attempt to nullify any resistance without having to actually back up his earlier statement.

2. Kaylee: I am concerned about two times that she basically asked a question but then gave an easy "okay" to the answer. If this is holding cards close then it might be acceptable but it felt like looking like trying to solve without actually trying to solve.

3. Zander: He seems to be asking the right questions and he did repeat some of the questions I was asking when he was catching up and posting. The shouting has come down some which makes him easier to physically read if not as obvious in his alignment. 

4. Turin: by Role PM 

5. Pizza: Unsure.. I didn't like the entire note taking thing that felt like something non-game related to post to be "helpful". Maybe I would care about it if I took notes. Active and doing things but nothing that makes him obvious town. also curious to see what his thoughts were about he changing read on me. I may be biased there however.

6. Csarmi: not much content. I read his OP as null. Value does not equal alignment. Need more from him.

7. Laine: Disagree with her point about me. Also didn't like the comment to Lenlo regarding her having him as top town read. Feels like pocket attempt. 

8. Leno: Nothing so far that is pinging to me. I know that he has improved his game all around but I will give credit for his willingness to question someone that was town reading him. 

9. Wish-tree: Trying to remember what she has said. Nothing coming to me ATM. 

10. Pralaya: Starting the pool for when he makes his first post. I got 04/01/2016 2230 GMT. That is January 4th for americans.

11. Celeste: Despite her attempt to claim otherwise some posts reading as AtE. Also never liked people coming in and saying they are playing at a higher level. This may be clouding my view a bit however. 

12. Nolder: not much so far from Nolder aside from his question and results. Seems like an easy thing to post in either alignment.

13. Cass (with Cory mentoring): Good questions. Solid so far. 

 

WTL: Shad, Laine, Celeste, Kaylee. 

 

Out for a few hours. see ya all later.

 

 

 

Im not a fan of this reads list.  Its not just because I have different reads it just feels like one of those lists Scum tend to throw together just for the sake of doing so.  Kinda wishy wahsy, with weak reasoning imo.

[Zander?]

 

Zander felt abit defensive about Cass and hasnt done much since. That worries me with him.

 

Nolder im gonna let do his thing as I believe he will reveal himself as wolf or town on his own. I dont feel he has alot of lasting power, like he skews towards one direction or the other as the game progresses.

 

Kaylee havnt played with in forever. Same with Turin.

 

Ill agree with Pizzas read of Shad for now, but im going to want more from him before he gets out of my PoE

 

Complete mind-melding with Lenlo on this post. 

 

@ZANDER

 

 

THIS DOESN'T MEAN I THINK YOU'RE SCUM. It means I'm still trying to figure your alignment out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't even know what that last bit about townie who was actually an SK meant.

 

Wasn't quite a townie, wasn't a serial killer, was a third party survivor with a kill power.

 

Tricky to define.

 

 

The role was: Survive to F3, every night get a random role. So like a survivor Joat. I had no control over what powers I got each night.

 

Lenlo, is that a Town-type role overall?

 

 

 

 

 

 

*snipped*

 

He came out and said he had good meta on Lenlo. When asked to elaborate, he refused to do so. The story he told was gobbledygook to me. It leads me to believe he was merely making it up. I don't see a good reason to do that as town.

Ok makes sense. I don't have a read on him yet. I questioned your vote because it came without explanation.

Fair enough I guess. I did post the question and his non-answer which I thought made it clear.

 

 

Understood Turin's bold, had the same reaction. Slight problem with the suggestion posting the question and non-answer makes anything clear. Liked Kaylee questioning the lack of initial explanation. Null on the rest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With that said, bye. *poofs*

Another tell for Celeste being town is her scum reading me. That's something I expect, because she's a lot more uncertain of herself as town and also absolutely can't read me. ;)

this is not true all the time and you know it.

 

Do you believe, even if it is inaccurate, that this is her honest opinion? You're saying she's remembering incorrectly or is lying deliberately or neither.

I believe this is her honest opinion despite forgetting that simple fact.

I want to know what you think of me, actually. And since I trust you so far, I would also like your gut reads.

(What works, works. Meh.)

I think your slight town so far. Although I have my reservations. Cass as slight town too. Shad feels iffy to me a bit. I want to hear more from Laine.

I actually have nothing on Shad so far. He hasn't appeared yet to talk to me, but what Pizza/Lenlo said about his claiming he has meta on other people was interesting to me. I'd be curious to know what meta he actually has.

Talk to me about Shad. Gut read?

Yeah, from reading his posts once I joined. They seem a bit forced. What reads do you have?

 

I'm liking Cass, you, Pizza, maybe Lainey.

 

Reservations on calling Shad town or scum until he comes back to defend himself.

 

Lenlo and Kaylee are slightly towny for now.

 

Other people need to stop ignoring me and talk to me.

 

 

Could agree with these reads at the time. Less sure of Penny now.

 

Don't like Lenny bold. Lenn, if you want people beyond that circle to talk to you, get out and engage them yourself. I'm distrustful of you right now. IMO there's no way to tell the difference between Lenbot/ScumLenny motivation. You have to drop the bot or you're policy lynch.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oops. Forgot to go back and get Lenlo-Shad posts.

 

Shad Obv Town, 11 more to go.

 

Ok so Lenlo's lock town ldo.

 

Freaky double timing and calling each other Town. Insta-paranoia says they could have planned it if they are wolves (let's have each other lock-Town! Wolves never do that!), attempt at rational/occam's brain says it is actually unlikely for W-W to interact so much and then blatantly call each other Town so early in the game.

 

I'm trying to go with rational where I can, or you're all going to be scum in my brain for the rest of the game.

 

 

 

haha

 

I almost want to legit town read you for saying that when I did.

Lets take this game by storm, me and you against the world.

 

 

This was the one that stood out most and made me go back and re-read. 

Basically, Shad sounded more carefree, Lenlo more controlled. I can't read Lenlo's bold but thoughts were if not sarcastic or good friends/frequently play together this 'against the world' (when Town is the majority) seems wolfy. Not pushing anything further, just an observation.

 

 

 

 

Cass I dont hate this response but look at like me and Cory in NBC it can just happen as well as town vs. town.  But maybe I missed the post I will double check but what do you think this actually is atp?  T/T, W/W, or one of each?

 

 

Maybe you missed what post?

 

100% agree could be T/T. I don't know what I think it is - there's not enough to go on yet and I don't know how to read either player. 

(Hence not pushing anything further :P). The explanation of my thought process on Lenlo is there because people asked for elaboration, my only pertinent observation is that I don't think they're W-W.

 

 

Ok my dear I didnt mean to tell you what to do!!!!  It was more a suggestion so Im honestly sorry if that rubbed you the wrong way!!!

 

Also you avoided answering the question really at all imo and Im not a fan of that at all.

 

And you know I   you but my post count will not stop!!!!

 

lolololololol

 

 

 

No great problems with this for now other than the bold, which stands out because I was 100% hyper-joking with my CAPS, and your response reads too serious to me (it's the "I'm honestly sorry" if that rubbed you the wrong way!!! that does it). Since when would anyone seriously yell 'DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!' right there??? 

 

I'm not a fan of people avoiding questions either (ENFPTWINFTWorsometimesfail!). I'll wait for your response to the post where I did answer the question before I make a call on the use of this :P

 

I didn't expect the post count to really stop!! 

 

 

I <3 you always and will never yell at you except in jest. For now. I'd need to know your alignment and be hugely frustrated for that to happen, IMO. I tend to keep a very tight reign on expressing serious negative emotions

 

 

 

 

First of all how do you think I feel forced?(1)   Second "our scum game" Have we played together before....???? Or are you referring to Alanna?(2)

 

Cory knows my soul and he will be able to help clear things up for you!!!!

 

 

1. Did you get to the post where I actually sat down and answered the question yet? Read on that (and this post) please..!

2. We've never played together before. I'm referring to Alanna.

 

I'm slightly insulted/incredulous that you think you may have forgotten if we'd played together. I also thought it was obvious that I was talking to Alanna, so you being dramatic about it makes me raise an eyebrow.

 

I don't particularly like the things I bolded coming from you, but when I look at the points I'm lining up against you it's like looking in a mirror. I will so laugh if we are T-T tinfoiling our way to misreads! I can totally see us doing so, based on paranoia/possibility personality. Again, not voting to lynch you yet. But if you're a wolf, I'm gonna hunt you down 

 

I think it's too early for either of us to call the other wolf tbh. Not removing wary gut feels, but definitely allowing for the possibility you may be Town  .

 

What's your actual take on our interactions right now?

 

 

 

 

Where you may have explained what it was i was looking for.

 

I will straight up as either alignment, apologize if I feel like a may have actually upset somebody or legit bothered them with something Ive said.  I've never played with you before so I have no idea about your posting style and mannerisms.  And I assume you've played enough mafia to know that a) people can get legit upset over stuff that doesnt seem to make sense why to others. b) People can fake being upset as well to serve their own agenda's and purposes right?

 

I wasnt quite sure hence why I asked my dear!!! 

 

Rest assured this runs both ways!!!!

 

ENFP paranoia mixed with pinged gut feels from both sides imo.  The thing from my end that I can speak on is I'm trying to determine if yours is legit or are you just trying to make it seem that way.

 

Zander. The more I read of you, the more it's like looking into a mirror of my mind \m/ . Your 'pinged gut feel' is wrong. I'm legit me here, I'll figure you out!

 

 

 

lololololololol. 

 

Well thats good figure me out and ill do the same.  Then if youre not a Wolf we will then wreck some!!!!!

[wish-tree]

Im still hoping Wish catchs up to it, but im considering the possibility that she has already caught up to it and may just be ignoring it.

sorry, game is ending on the other site that I'm playing on.

(scum gave up...)

 

Do you mean your vote on Celeste? It's one vote, nothing dangerous. But you had best take your vote off of her, because she's town. :P

 

I'm also wondering why Zander isn't replying to my isos. 

[Zander?]

 

 

Mmm called it.

 

 

[v]Shad[/v] I don't like the vibes i'm getting from him. His tone is scummy to me as well.

 

 

lolololololololololololol

Hun you have all of one vote on you so no, you didn't call anything. Your insisting that you'll be mislynched might actually get you there unless you show us you're town.

 

Please explain on Shad. If you've since explained then thanks.

 

Also, good morning.

 

 

 

 

 

Celeste/Penny- Hated the timing of unvote at some pressure when confronted about it.  Find her interaction with my top scum read very awkward.  Think shes overacting and defensive and had an AtE post with her reaction to being mislynched with 0 votes on her....

1. It's because I actually know her meta and personality outside of DM so I can figure it out better than you.

2. I'm pretty pissed atm over the close minded thoughts you and others seem to be having

3. I don't AtE

4. If you haven't noticed the early suspicion always gets bandwagoned at the end of almost every D1.

To your last point: some of us are trying to give you the chance to move on and show how you're town.

 

 

 

Yeah Im liking these posts from Kay.  I mean ya she COULD fake this but I feel like with Celeste kinda on the ropes Scum!Kay would be more likely to jump on it after Ive seen her bus teammates in Frozen.

[Lenlo]

 

Im still hoping Wish catchs up to it, but im considering the possibility that she has already caught up to it and may just be ignoring it.

sorry, game is ending on the other site that I'm playing on.

(scum gave up...)

 

Do you mean your vote on Celeste? It's one vote, nothing dangerous. But you had best take your vote off of her, because she's town. :P

 

I'm also wondering why Zander isn't replying to my isos. 

 

Thats some odd phrasing. The second part, whatever, shes your town read I get that. But nothing dangerous... those arnt the words I would use as a townie, defending my town read.

[Shad_]

Zander, gth, who do you lynch right now?

[wish-tree]

Hi Zander!

 

Have you been here all morning? XD

[Shad_]

Wish, what are your thoughts on Celeste's reactions to getting sussed for the unvote?

[Zander?]

You know the feeling when you wake up and see that the game for the first time and see that it is already in its 35th page !!

 

Well, I am reading the game now. WIll take some time to catch up. Actually lot of time.

 

Till the 8th page - the only thing in my mind - not sure if it is normal for Cass to FoS people right at the beginning of the game. And, not just a joke FoS. 

 

 

A Wild Pral sighting!!!

 

Look forward to see your catch up thoughts and reads man!!!!!

[wish-tree]

 

 

Im still hoping Wish catchs up to it, but im considering the possibility that she has already caught up to it and may just be ignoring it.

sorry, game is ending on the other site that I'm playing on.

(scum gave up...)

 

Do you mean your vote on Celeste? It's one vote, nothing dangerous. But you had best take your vote off of her, because she's town. :P

 

I'm also wondering why Zander isn't replying to my isos. 

 

Thats some odd phrasing. The second part, whatever, shes your town read I get that. But nothing dangerous... those arnt the words I would use as a townie, defending my town read.

 

She overreacts all the time. I'm replying to that bit. \o/

 

Likes to self-vote as town, gets angry that you vote her, etcetera. Nothing new.

[wish-tree]

Wish, what are your thoughts on Celeste's reactions to getting sussed for the unvote?

just posted it :P

 

I read your mind!

[wish-tree]

Looks like pralaya and csarmi have shown up since I poofed.

 

Rereading now, unless they're in thread and we can chat.

[wish-tree]

OMG

 

I THINK MY GAME ALMOST FILLED

 

IMMA GO CHECK ON IT

 

srry

[Cass]

Started back at the top of the page because I'm getting demotivated being so far behind. 

 

 

My list looks something like this... ?

Alanna
Lenlo
Zander

Pizza
Shad
Cass
Wish

Csarmi
Pral
Nolder

Celeste
Kaylee
Turin

 

 

ALANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNAAAA!!!!

 

<3 <3 <3

 

Dont put your own name on your reads lists!!!!

 

What is it about Penny you find that makes her more scummy then Lenny?

 

Can you provide some reasons behind your reads please?

 

 

Move Zander closer to null and put Pizza null-town and this is a good list IMO

Zander's null because he's active and probing and enthusiastic (good) but may be extra tinfoily/tunnellish and seems to give few detailed opinions beyond being suspicious. Still watching this space.

 

Zander, 

1. Why are you so excited about this post?

2. Good question about Penny/Lenny. What's your current take on those two?

3. Can you provide your own list of reads with/without reasons?

 

 

 

 

 

@ Shad dude wth are you seeing with Csarmi man???!!!  I dont get it....I mean not just a Town read but YOUR TOP TOWN READ???!!!?!?!?!?  WTF

 

And also Alanna has your scummiest is also pretty bad imo.

 

Sorry brother not seeing either of those like at all!!!!!

 

Blue, consider it a call for the rest of you to town harder.

 

Red, my scum order was borderline arbitrary except for Turin being the least bad of the four, and I posted that prior to/still haven't finished absorbing Laine's most recent catch-up post(s?).

 

 

 

BLUE:  Shad ok MAYBE you see something I dont.....but you damn well know NOBODY Towns harder then I do!!!

 

RED: No real scum reads at all then?  Is that what youre getting at with that?

 

 

Weird pop-in.  Red, I count four.  Where did this question come from?

 

Blue, then convince me?

 

Frankly I'm tripped out by the disorganization in this villa.  Maybe it's a consequence of town coming together pretty strong in our last three games vs a lot of unfamiliar faces here giving everyone the willies.  Pizza's inability to reach a resolution on you has had me second-guessing myself all game and I don't know if there's something different about him or if you're a little off this game and we're both seeing it.  I don't have any compelling reason to think you're scum, I'm just not seeing super-obvious town Zander yet.  (Is part of that also colored by my decision to hard-clear you out the gate when I was scum last game?  Maybe.  You might not have been as obvious in that game as I let myself believe, since I wasn't trying to figure you out and had no incentive to fabricate uncertainty.)

 

 

Shad

What's your read on Pizza if you take out his distance from Zander? My take on it is he's giving Zander space to do his thing without tilting him into endless circles on D1, which is a good approach IMO. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My list looks something like this... ?
Alanna
Lenlo
Zander
Pizza
Shad
Cass
Wish

Csarmi
Pral
Nolder

Celeste
Kaylee
Turin

 

I did not anticipate a town lean on Cass. Why?

I actually fought with myself on that. I wanted to put her lower but without having my nulls sorted I didn't want to put her so far down. I'm not sure I have a SCUM lean on her, but I barely have a town lean. She has the potential to fall lower once I go back and read her stuff. I just remember a lot of work coming from her but not a lot of what I would consider useful.

 

 

 

Alanna....this is starting worry me about you cause it really seems like fence sitting/leaving yourself an out kinda....

 

 

I'm actually ok with her having me 'barely town lean' and the reason she gives unless she decides to push it towards a lynch - especially after I've explained the idea and my thought process to her. Players see and play the game differently, my take on Alanna's personality is that she's much more practical than me. I've basically done nothing so far other than fling my nets and comment everywhere I can with opinions. I can understand her thinking my questions are inane/pointless if she hasn't looked beyond the question itself. 

 

I do agree that there's potential for fence-sitting scum and I don't like her 'she has the potential to fall lower once I go back' after Shad expresses he expected her to not have me in town. That feels like she may be trying to placate him a little. I have her tricky null.

 

@Alanna - why would it bothered you to put me below your nulls if you think I've been doing a lot of nothing useful?

 

 

 

 

Why would you have anticipated any of Alanna's reads Shad?
 
What is it about Cass in particular?

 

She had focused on Cass a bit earlier, demonstrated distrust. I had this post saved in the top of my notepad to see how she'd follow through:
 

Personally, I think her posts are showing a lot of effort, but a lot of the questions and points she's making are trivial and overworked and doing nothing for me.

 

 

I follow Shad's logic here, and in general with her having me as a Town read. I didn't expect her to put me in Town either. 

 

 

 

KIDDING! IM JUST KIDDING RELAX!!

 

Ok so seriously I got caught up yesterday doing other stuff and I don't really have a good excuse so just ding me for ignoring the game if you want, it's fair.

 

BUT! I think I can make it up to everyone.

Not only have I just reread the entire thread cover to cover.

So I'm all caught up. I'm going to respond to a few things I have open in other tabs and then I think I'll drop a vote. Maybe.

I'll have to look through the notes I just took while reading the thread.

 

So I flubbed a little bit but going forward I think I shall be a force to be reckoned with in this game! 

 

lolol so null. Nolder, I hope you're going to be a force for Town!

 

 

I'm getting a funny feeling that this game will not average 20 posts per hour.

Villagery intro.

 

 

Question - are you ever getting to the good stuff so I can take you out of big, fat null? 

[Zander?]

@ Cass concerning http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96393-basicstandard-warcraft-war-of-the-ancients-mafia-day-one/?p=3587727

 

Thank you that helped me understand what I was looking for.

[Shad_]

 

Wish, what are your thoughts on Celeste's reactions to getting sussed for the unvote?

just posted it :P

 

I read your mind!

 

 

If Celeste turns out to be scum, all eyes will be on you.  How comfortable are you with your read of her?