[Advanced] Nightmare Before Christmas - Town Wins!

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Taborline, BFG, Thane, Shad?

 

Is this your scum list?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

 

 

For me, right now:

Alanna

Thane

Lenlo

Dice

 

Pizza

Tabor

BFG

Zan

Notbob

Andrej

 

Nolder

Snow

Top of page 34, going to bed, and I have to wake up way way way too soon. -_-

 

I'm at something like this.

BFG

Lenlo

Pizza

Dice

AJ

Zander

NotBob - put a lot of thought into this slot and I'm feeling pretty okay with him so far.  I've got a question out there for him to answer yet.

Thane

Taborline

Nolder

John Snow

 

Pretty stoked that my previous incarnation had the same scum pile.  We shall GOAT or fail together. 

 

 

I missed it...do a favor and ask again?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can you put this into an actual case rather than this bulleted list sort of thing? I can sort of see what your getting at with Nolder but before I do anything on the matter I want you to spell it out for me. This way I can understand more where your coming from and get you locked down into a case on Nolder so you cant shift the goal posts/do scum things about it later on.

 

Basically I would like you to clarify this if you dont mind.

Fence sitting.

 

Normally I wouldn't call it this early in the game but the hedging language of "I can sort of see" is what really stands out.

 

Fence sitting? Did you even read the rest of the post? I was asking him to put his case on you in less, more concrete words. The "I can sort of see" language was because the dude posts a small essay every time he cases someone. I was helping YOU by making him do a clearer writeup.

 

Someone else needs to read zander for me.

 

His tone is bugging me again but im kinda having to look at him thru nice eyes atm so I cant be really sure

\

 

 

@pizza i assume thats at me? I will take as long as I take to get a read on you. You are tricksy so i will be careful

Honestly, Zander is bugging me. Theres not enough lols and I get the feeling he is trying to look helpful but got into to quickly because the thread got more serious than he could to quickly.Im keeping an eye on him and dont mind where my vote currently is, even though it was originally there for a joke.

 

 

 

Nolder looks disinterested. Means nothing at this point.

I'm very skeptical that Nolder means nothing to you. I feel that you're aware of Nolder's alignment, and don't want to reveal how you became aware of it.

 

Whether Nolder is townie or not, you are likely not.

 

meh...feelings mean zero to me. Now you're backpedaling on your own case. Talk about walking it back...

 

This doesnt look like backpedaling to me. Please explain? Just steal some of Pizza's words and use them, he has to many already.

 

First, he has a scum read on Nolder, now he says he may be wrong but I am.

 

You're a face value scum hunter. I recognize that. It's why I was pretty leery of Pizza's initial case on you. His Nolder "read" was much less likely to bait players based on their alignment than based on their null manner of interpreting actions. Some of us saw a trap, others saw an unusual read, and sooner or later someone among the latter pile was going to comment. I don't think there was anything remotely scummy about you stepping up for Nolder in that instance. I definitely think that a town in Pizza's position though, in the absence of any meta, would find it pretty suspect that you basically settled on agreeing to disagree rather than prodding Pizza further, and once he clarified (without being asked) that this was the root of his concern, I felt better about him. I'm more willing to give you a null pass because prior games have conditioned me to accept an apparent lack of interest in scum hunting out of you. I think the impression boils down to you being someone who bases reads on observation rather than engagement. Basically, I don't expect town!NotBob to prod people whose actions he finds suspicious. I expect him to somewhat passively take note of them and vote accordingly.

 

 

Now I have the above quote chain to chew on, and it's a little bit harder to swallow. Scum require deeper motivation to "backpedal" than to make an opening push, and the grounds for interpreting Pizza's actions at face value thin out. Why do you think Pizza backpedaled in this instance?

 

 

 

I think he gave himself some wiggle room in case he was wrong.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

I'm kind of worried she's becoming an easy consolation target.

 

I feel like Snow is slipping through the cracks here. I just read over his posts again from a few pages back. His reason for scum reading you is so, so bad and hasn't developed one bit and suddenly he's all about lynching Tab too? That's sketchy.

 

Care to repeat that case again smokey?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

These aren't in order, I'm just tabbing stuff I will respond to.

 

I understand NotBob being a 'closed' player.  What gave you the impression that this applied to Nolder at the time?

His delayed and substance-free start. Last game I looked at where he was town, he dove right in and began playing with everyone. In this one, his beginning matched his closed off scum game style.

 

Now, my accusation prompted activity from him, and after that engagement ended since it was essentially a sophisticated "nuh uh" from him, he made some observations on others.

 

That's different, and closer to what I want from him if he's a townie, but the bar is higher than what I've seen.

 

Oh, Pizza, my comment above on lurking, I definitely understand your perspective. And if someone straight up lies, like excusing an absence as they didn't have computer access while they were clearly active elsewhere, it's a good catch. I just don't think it indicates much of anything in the short term. Over the course of multiple days/phases, yeah, and there are a few players here I've learned to read by their lack of substantive thoughts when given more than ample time to form them.

If my concern about Nolder is a gallon bucket of water, my dismissal of the suggestion he was just sleeping because I saw a public post elsewhere in the interim, is about a thimble full.

 

The comment was merely to suggest that such a defense, (made by a player not named Nolder, mind) is not valid. Had very little to do with my suspicions, but it didn't help matters. It was null to mildly scummy, whereas his play to date at the time was a bucket of scum.

 

His argument method with me afterward is about three buckets of scum.

 

I'm dismayed he isn't more of a candidate but I can't control how people feel. So, I'm not going to tilt at a windmill all day long, time is wasting, and if he's somehow a townie despite his behavior, I'm not just wasting my time, I'm counterproductive.

 

 

The exact opposite of the bold is the truth.  Last game NotBob was Town was Diablo.  He popped in a couple hours before DL voted me saying he didnt even read anything,  And only posted a few times that Day.  I feel like you should know this if you looked back at the game Pizza.

 

What Scum game where you looking at of NotBobs to get his "closed off scum" style.  The game I played with him and he was scum was the exact opposite of that which is how I feel he's playing more like here.

 

 

Pizza was responding to my questions about Nolder, not NotBob, but I think 'closed off' is a pretty accurate description of NB's play in general.  He says what he wants when he wants, doesn't ask many questions or offer detailed explanations of his reads.  When he feels pretty strongly that someone is scum though, he's not shy about saying it.

 

If I had to rate him on a scale of disinterested to engaged, it would go Diablo (town), Alien (scum), Star Wars (town), so I don't want to read too terribly much into how he approaches the game, though my gut tells me scum!NB would be a bit more involved at this point.  I mainly feel good about him because I can see the comments he has made thus far stemming from a town state of mind, but it's a weak read.

 

 

 

I cannot recall anything from those two games.

[Lenlo]

My scum list is Tab, Nolder and maybe NotBob or Shad. I'm very concerned with Shad after how that EOD went down.

[Shad_]

 

 

 

 

Awake, caught up.

 

Shad you keep asking me about some follow through or something I don't know what you mean by it.

He was distorting the situation and I explained how. What else are you looking for?

 

You said he was trying to distort the situation.  You implied intent.  Then said you were still making up your mind about him.  That doesn't jive.  I wanted to see if you'd say it was a reaction test.  You didn't.

 

Are you trying to say townies never distort or lie?

 

 

 

 

Confusing the generic with the specific.

 

That's another tactic I recognize as scummy.

 

You're picking at my finding NotBob suspicious because of his position on you, which I had as strongly scummy and his was "null", as opposed to finding NotBob suspicious because of his position on AJ, which I had as mildly suspicious and his was "null".

 

It's obvious why one would be more concerned about the stronger disagreement, and the pressure on NotBob exists.

 

So to claim that it's an example of inconsistency, is wrong and scummy. It's distortion at best.

 

Behaving like the last game you were in where you were total scum, and wildly differently from the last game I could find where you were townie, that's a legit problem.

 

The kinds of consistency arguments I find scummy are the former, not the latter.

 

And it should be obvious why. It's not a mistake that you're confusing the two examples. That's deliberate on your part, and it's a scummy argument.

I'm picking on your position on Notbob because it's crap.

 

Again, you're creating a false dichotomy where the results are both favorable to your argument.

There is another possibility that you aren't allowing into the discussion with regards to Notbob.

 

That aside though, what you're saying here is true so I don't get why you think using it as a defense is a good idea.

You find Notbob suspicious because of his position that's in disagreement with you on me but not where he's in disagreement with you on AJ.

I don't see why it would make any difference whether you find me a lot scummy and AJ a little scummy because the subject of the discussion here is Notbob and why you're reading him the way you do.

 

Claiming it as inconsistency is not wrong nor is it distortion and you can think what you want about being scummy or not but usually when someone is right that's not scummy so I don't know where you're trying to go with that other than trying to call me scum as many times as you can and hope it sticks in the minds of others. It is inconsistent to be suspicious of Notbob for disagreeing with you on one person and not another. Simple fact. You sir are the one who's trying to distort the situation.

 

 

Looking back on it, what strikes you as town intentionally lying?

 

Ah ah ah I asked first my friend. Do townies never lie or distort?

 

 

You're kidding, right?

 

No, all town players are 100% honest 100% of the time.

 

Now go on.

[Zander?]

NotBob you lynching Tab tomorrow?

[Shad_]

 

 

 

 

 

ure getting on my nerves shad

 

I'm sorry.  I'm sufficiently indecisive to not care which one of them eats it, and I have more than sufficient town cred at this point that no one who looks back more than a few pages is going to suss me for playing some EoD games that could be potentially revealing depending on reactions/flip.

 

 

I disagree

 

 

strongly

 

 

Go on?

 

 I do hence why I strongly disagree.

 

 

I meant like, with reasons.

 

[Shad_]

 

 

 

 

 

 

For me, right now:

Alanna

Thane

Lenlo

Dice

 

Pizza

Tabor

BFG

Zan

Notbob

Andrej

 

Nolder

Snow

Top of page 34, going to bed, and I have to wake up way way way too soon. -_-

 

I'm at something like this.

BFG

Lenlo

Pizza

Dice

AJ

Zander

NotBob - put a lot of thought into this slot and I'm feeling pretty okay with him so far.  I've got a question out there for him to answer yet.

Thane

Taborline

Nolder

John Snow

 

Pretty stoked that my previous incarnation had the same scum pile.  We shall GOAT or fail together. 

 

 

I missed it...do a favor and ask again?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can you put this into an actual case rather than this bulleted list sort of thing? I can sort of see what your getting at with Nolder but before I do anything on the matter I want you to spell it out for me. This way I can understand more where your coming from and get you locked down into a case on Nolder so you cant shift the goal posts/do scum things about it later on.

 

Basically I would like you to clarify this if you dont mind.

Fence sitting.

 

Normally I wouldn't call it this early in the game but the hedging language of "I can sort of see" is what really stands out.

 

Fence sitting? Did you even read the rest of the post? I was asking him to put his case on you in less, more concrete words. The "I can sort of see" language was because the dude posts a small essay every time he cases someone. I was helping YOU by making him do a clearer writeup.

 

Someone else needs to read zander for me.

 

His tone is bugging me again but im kinda having to look at him thru nice eyes atm so I cant be really sure

\

 

 

@pizza i assume thats at me? I will take as long as I take to get a read on you. You are tricksy so i will be careful

Honestly, Zander is bugging me. Theres not enough lols and I get the feeling he is trying to look helpful but got into to quickly because the thread got more serious than he could to quickly.Im keeping an eye on him and dont mind where my vote currently is, even though it was originally there for a joke.

 

 

 

Nolder looks disinterested. Means nothing at this point.

I'm very skeptical that Nolder means nothing to you. I feel that you're aware of Nolder's alignment, and don't want to reveal how you became aware of it.

 

Whether Nolder is townie or not, you are likely not.

 

meh...feelings mean zero to me. Now you're backpedaling on your own case. Talk about walking it back...

 

This doesnt look like backpedaling to me. Please explain? Just steal some of Pizza's words and use them, he has to many already.

 

First, he has a scum read on Nolder, now he says he may be wrong but I am.

 

You're a face value scum hunter. I recognize that. It's why I was pretty leery of Pizza's initial case on you. His Nolder "read" was much less likely to bait players based on their alignment than based on their null manner of interpreting actions. Some of us saw a trap, others saw an unusual read, and sooner or later someone among the latter pile was going to comment. I don't think there was anything remotely scummy about you stepping up for Nolder in that instance. I definitely think that a town in Pizza's position though, in the absence of any meta, would find it pretty suspect that you basically settled on agreeing to disagree rather than prodding Pizza further, and once he clarified (without being asked) that this was the root of his concern, I felt better about him. I'm more willing to give you a null pass because prior games have conditioned me to accept an apparent lack of interest in scum hunting out of you. I think the impression boils down to you being someone who bases reads on observation rather than engagement. Basically, I don't expect town!NotBob to prod people whose actions he finds suspicious. I expect him to somewhat passively take note of them and vote accordingly.

 

 

Now I have the above quote chain to chew on, and it's a little bit harder to swallow. Scum require deeper motivation to "backpedal" than to make an opening push, and the grounds for interpreting Pizza's actions at face value thin out. Why do you think Pizza backpedaled in this instance?

 

 

 

I think he gave himself some wiggle room in case he was wrong.

 

Alright, maybe I misunderstood your implications somewhere along the way. Are you saying you think he's probably town? Or if you think he's scum, wrong about what?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

NotBob you lynching Tab tomorrow?

 

You town?

[dicetosser1]

 

 

 

 

 

Awake, caught up.

 

Shad you keep asking me about some follow through or something I don't know what you mean by it.

He was distorting the situation and I explained how. What else are you looking for?

 

You said he was trying to distort the situation.  You implied intent.  Then said you were still making up your mind about him.  That doesn't jive.  I wanted to see if you'd say it was a reaction test.  You didn't.

 

Are you trying to say townies never distort or lie?

 

 

 

 

Confusing the generic with the specific.

 

That's another tactic I recognize as scummy.

 

You're picking at my finding NotBob suspicious because of his position on you, which I had as strongly scummy and his was "null", as opposed to finding NotBob suspicious because of his position on AJ, which I had as mildly suspicious and his was "null".

 

It's obvious why one would be more concerned about the stronger disagreement, and the pressure on NotBob exists.

 

So to claim that it's an example of inconsistency, is wrong and scummy. It's distortion at best.

 

Behaving like the last game you were in where you were total scum, and wildly differently from the last game I could find where you were townie, that's a legit problem.

 

The kinds of consistency arguments I find scummy are the former, not the latter.

 

And it should be obvious why. It's not a mistake that you're confusing the two examples. That's deliberate on your part, and it's a scummy argument.

I'm picking on your position on Notbob because it's crap.

 

Again, you're creating a false dichotomy where the results are both favorable to your argument.

There is another possibility that you aren't allowing into the discussion with regards to Notbob.

 

That aside though, what you're saying here is true so I don't get why you think using it as a defense is a good idea.

You find Notbob suspicious because of his position that's in disagreement with you on me but not where he's in disagreement with you on AJ.

I don't see why it would make any difference whether you find me a lot scummy and AJ a little scummy because the subject of the discussion here is Notbob and why you're reading him the way you do.

 

Claiming it as inconsistency is not wrong nor is it distortion and you can think what you want about being scummy or not but usually when someone is right that's not scummy so I don't know where you're trying to go with that other than trying to call me scum as many times as you can and hope it sticks in the minds of others. It is inconsistent to be suspicious of Notbob for disagreeing with you on one person and not another. Simple fact. You sir are the one who's trying to distort the situation.

 

 

Looking back on it, what strikes you as town intentionally lying?

 

Ah ah ah I asked first my friend. Do townies never lie or distort?

 

 

You're kidding, right?

 

No, all town players are 100% honest 100% of the time.

 

Now go on.

 

 

 

blink. what?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For me, right now:

Alanna

Thane

Lenlo

Dice

 

Pizza

Tabor

BFG

Zan

Notbob

Andrej

 

Nolder

Snow

Top of page 34, going to bed, and I have to wake up way way way too soon. -_-

 

I'm at something like this.

BFG

Lenlo

Pizza

Dice

AJ

Zander

NotBob - put a lot of thought into this slot and I'm feeling pretty okay with him so far.  I've got a question out there for him to answer yet.

Thane

Taborline

Nolder

John Snow

 

Pretty stoked that my previous incarnation had the same scum pile.  We shall GOAT or fail together. 

 

 

I missed it...do a favor and ask again?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can you put this into an actual case rather than this bulleted list sort of thing? I can sort of see what your getting at with Nolder but before I do anything on the matter I want you to spell it out for me. This way I can understand more where your coming from and get you locked down into a case on Nolder so you cant shift the goal posts/do scum things about it later on.

 

Basically I would like you to clarify this if you dont mind.

Fence sitting.

 

Normally I wouldn't call it this early in the game but the hedging language of "I can sort of see" is what really stands out.

 

Fence sitting? Did you even read the rest of the post? I was asking him to put his case on you in less, more concrete words. The "I can sort of see" language was because the dude posts a small essay every time he cases someone. I was helping YOU by making him do a clearer writeup.

 

Someone else needs to read zander for me.

 

His tone is bugging me again but im kinda having to look at him thru nice eyes atm so I cant be really sure

\

 

 

@pizza i assume thats at me? I will take as long as I take to get a read on you. You are tricksy so i will be careful

Honestly, Zander is bugging me. Theres not enough lols and I get the feeling he is trying to look helpful but got into to quickly because the thread got more serious than he could to quickly.Im keeping an eye on him and dont mind where my vote currently is, even though it was originally there for a joke.

 

 

 

Nolder looks disinterested. Means nothing at this point.

I'm very skeptical that Nolder means nothing to you. I feel that you're aware of Nolder's alignment, and don't want to reveal how you became aware of it.

 

Whether Nolder is townie or not, you are likely not.

 

meh...feelings mean zero to me. Now you're backpedaling on your own case. Talk about walking it back...

 

This doesnt look like backpedaling to me. Please explain? Just steal some of Pizza's words and use them, he has to many already.

 

First, he has a scum read on Nolder, now he says he may be wrong but I am.

 

You're a face value scum hunter. I recognize that. It's why I was pretty leery of Pizza's initial case on you. His Nolder "read" was much less likely to bait players based on their alignment than based on their null manner of interpreting actions. Some of us saw a trap, others saw an unusual read, and sooner or later someone among the latter pile was going to comment. I don't think there was anything remotely scummy about you stepping up for Nolder in that instance. I definitely think that a town in Pizza's position though, in the absence of any meta, would find it pretty suspect that you basically settled on agreeing to disagree rather than prodding Pizza further, and once he clarified (without being asked) that this was the root of his concern, I felt better about him. I'm more willing to give you a null pass because prior games have conditioned me to accept an apparent lack of interest in scum hunting out of you. I think the impression boils down to you being someone who bases reads on observation rather than engagement. Basically, I don't expect town!NotBob to prod people whose actions he finds suspicious. I expect him to somewhat passively take note of them and vote accordingly.

 

 

Now I have the above quote chain to chew on, and it's a little bit harder to swallow. Scum require deeper motivation to "backpedal" than to make an opening push, and the grounds for interpreting Pizza's actions at face value thin out. Why do you think Pizza backpedaled in this instance?

 

 

 

I think he gave himself some wiggle room in case he was wrong.

 

Alright, maybe I misunderstood your implications somewhere along the way. Are you saying you think he's probably town? Or if you think he's scum, wrong about what?

 

 

No.  I'm saying Pizza was confident Nolder was scum.  Then he backpedaled and stated even if Nolder was town I was not.  I'd like to know how he discerned this?  What made him lean toward Nolder as town, especially since his early read on Nolder.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

ure getting on my nerves shad

 

I'm sorry.  I'm sufficiently indecisive to not care which one of them eats it, and I have more than sufficient town cred at this point that no one who looks back more than a few pages is going to suss me for playing some EoD games that could be potentially revealing depending on reactions/flip.

 

 

I disagree

 

 

strongly

 

 

Go on?

 

 I do hence why I strongly disagree.

 

 

I meant like, with reasons.

 

 

 

You EoD was horrible I dont think it s needs any more explaining. 

[Zander?]

 

NotBob you lynching Tab tomorrow?

 

You town?

 

 

YES

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

NotBob you lynching Tab tomorrow?

 

You town?

 

 

YES

 

 

If you were the Vig, who would you shoot and why?

[Shad_]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For me, right now:

Alanna

Thane

Lenlo

Dice

 

Pizza

Tabor

BFG

Zan

Notbob

Andrej

 

Nolder

Snow

Top of page 34, going to bed, and I have to wake up way way way too soon. -_-

 

I'm at something like this.

BFG

Lenlo

Pizza

Dice

AJ

Zander

NotBob - put a lot of thought into this slot and I'm feeling pretty okay with him so far.  I've got a question out there for him to answer yet.

Thane

Taborline

Nolder

John Snow

 

Pretty stoked that my previous incarnation had the same scum pile.  We shall GOAT or fail together. 

 

 

I missed it...do a favor and ask again?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can you put this into an actual case rather than this bulleted list sort of thing? I can sort of see what your getting at with Nolder but before I do anything on the matter I want you to spell it out for me. This way I can understand more where your coming from and get you locked down into a case on Nolder so you cant shift the goal posts/do scum things about it later on.

 

Basically I would like you to clarify this if you dont mind.

Fence sitting.

 

Normally I wouldn't call it this early in the game but the hedging language of "I can sort of see" is what really stands out.

 

Fence sitting? Did you even read the rest of the post? I was asking him to put his case on you in less, more concrete words. The "I can sort of see" language was because the dude posts a small essay every time he cases someone. I was helping YOU by making him do a clearer writeup.

 

Someone else needs to read zander for me.

 

His tone is bugging me again but im kinda having to look at him thru nice eyes atm so I cant be really sure

\

 

 

@pizza i assume thats at me? I will take as long as I take to get a read on you. You are tricksy so i will be careful

Honestly, Zander is bugging me. Theres not enough lols and I get the feeling he is trying to look helpful but got into to quickly because the thread got more serious than he could to quickly.Im keeping an eye on him and dont mind where my vote currently is, even though it was originally there for a joke.

 

 

 

Nolder looks disinterested. Means nothing at this point.

I'm very skeptical that Nolder means nothing to you. I feel that you're aware of Nolder's alignment, and don't want to reveal how you became aware of it.

 

Whether Nolder is townie or not, you are likely not.

 

meh...feelings mean zero to me. Now you're backpedaling on your own case. Talk about walking it back...

 

This doesnt look like backpedaling to me. Please explain? Just steal some of Pizza's words and use them, he has to many already.

 

First, he has a scum read on Nolder, now he says he may be wrong but I am.

 

You're a face value scum hunter. I recognize that. It's why I was pretty leery of Pizza's initial case on you. His Nolder "read" was much less likely to bait players based on their alignment than based on their null manner of interpreting actions. Some of us saw a trap, others saw an unusual read, and sooner or later someone among the latter pile was going to comment. I don't think there was anything remotely scummy about you stepping up for Nolder in that instance. I definitely think that a town in Pizza's position though, in the absence of any meta, would find it pretty suspect that you basically settled on agreeing to disagree rather than prodding Pizza further, and once he clarified (without being asked) that this was the root of his concern, I felt better about him. I'm more willing to give you a null pass because prior games have conditioned me to accept an apparent lack of interest in scum hunting out of you. I think the impression boils down to you being someone who bases reads on observation rather than engagement. Basically, I don't expect town!NotBob to prod people whose actions he finds suspicious. I expect him to somewhat passively take note of them and vote accordingly.

 

 

Now I have the above quote chain to chew on, and it's a little bit harder to swallow. Scum require deeper motivation to "backpedal" than to make an opening push, and the grounds for interpreting Pizza's actions at face value thin out. Why do you think Pizza backpedaled in this instance?

 

 

 

I think he gave himself some wiggle room in case he was wrong.

 

Alright, maybe I misunderstood your implications somewhere along the way. Are you saying you think he's probably town? Or if you think he's scum, wrong about what?

 

 

No.  I'm saying Pizza was confident Nolder was scum.  Then he backpedaled and stated even if Nolder was town I was not.  I'd like to know how he discerned this?  What made him lean toward Nolder as town, especially since his early read on Nolder.

 

 

Well, ok, sorry if I'm being a bit persistent here. You said you thought he backed off Nolder for "wiggle room in case he was wrong". If he's scum, there's nothing to be "wrong" about; he would know Nolder's alignment.  So could you maybe clarify red specifically for me?

[Shad_]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ure getting on my nerves shad

 

I'm sorry.  I'm sufficiently indecisive to not care which one of them eats it, and I have more than sufficient town cred at this point that no one who looks back more than a few pages is going to suss me for playing some EoD games that could be potentially revealing depending on reactions/flip.

 

 

I disagree

 

 

strongly

 

 

Go on?

 

 I do hence why I strongly disagree.

 

 

I meant like, with reasons.

 

 

 

You EoD was horrible I dont think it s needs any more explaining. 

 

 

Why?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For me, right now:

Alanna

Thane

Lenlo

Dice

 

Pizza

Tabor

BFG

Zan

Notbob

Andrej

 

Nolder

Snow

Top of page 34, going to bed, and I have to wake up way way way too soon. -_-

 

I'm at something like this.

BFG

Lenlo

Pizza

Dice

AJ

Zander

NotBob - put a lot of thought into this slot and I'm feeling pretty okay with him so far.  I've got a question out there for him to answer yet.

Thane

Taborline

Nolder

John Snow

 

Pretty stoked that my previous incarnation had the same scum pile.  We shall GOAT or fail together. 

 

 

I missed it...do a favor and ask again?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can you put this into an actual case rather than this bulleted list sort of thing? I can sort of see what your getting at with Nolder but before I do anything on the matter I want you to spell it out for me. This way I can understand more where your coming from and get you locked down into a case on Nolder so you cant shift the goal posts/do scum things about it later on.

 

Basically I would like you to clarify this if you dont mind.

Fence sitting.

 

Normally I wouldn't call it this early in the game but the hedging language of "I can sort of see" is what really stands out.

 

Fence sitting? Did you even read the rest of the post? I was asking him to put his case on you in less, more concrete words. The "I can sort of see" language was because the dude posts a small essay every time he cases someone. I was helping YOU by making him do a clearer writeup.

 

Someone else needs to read zander for me.

 

His tone is bugging me again but im kinda having to look at him thru nice eyes atm so I cant be really sure

\

 

 

@pizza i assume thats at me? I will take as long as I take to get a read on you. You are tricksy so i will be careful

Honestly, Zander is bugging me. Theres not enough lols and I get the feeling he is trying to look helpful but got into to quickly because the thread got more serious than he could to quickly.Im keeping an eye on him and dont mind where my vote currently is, even though it was originally there for a joke.

 

 

 

Nolder looks disinterested. Means nothing at this point.

I'm very skeptical that Nolder means nothing to you. I feel that you're aware of Nolder's alignment, and don't want to reveal how you became aware of it.

 

Whether Nolder is townie or not, you are likely not.

 

meh...feelings mean zero to me. Now you're backpedaling on your own case. Talk about walking it back...

 

This doesnt look like backpedaling to me. Please explain? Just steal some of Pizza's words and use them, he has to many already.

 

First, he has a scum read on Nolder, now he says he may be wrong but I am.

 

You're a face value scum hunter. I recognize that. It's why I was pretty leery of Pizza's initial case on you. His Nolder "read" was much less likely to bait players based on their alignment than based on their null manner of interpreting actions. Some of us saw a trap, others saw an unusual read, and sooner or later someone among the latter pile was going to comment. I don't think there was anything remotely scummy about you stepping up for Nolder in that instance. I definitely think that a town in Pizza's position though, in the absence of any meta, would find it pretty suspect that you basically settled on agreeing to disagree rather than prodding Pizza further, and once he clarified (without being asked) that this was the root of his concern, I felt better about him. I'm more willing to give you a null pass because prior games have conditioned me to accept an apparent lack of interest in scum hunting out of you. I think the impression boils down to you being someone who bases reads on observation rather than engagement. Basically, I don't expect town!NotBob to prod people whose actions he finds suspicious. I expect him to somewhat passively take note of them and vote accordingly.

 

 

Now I have the above quote chain to chew on, and it's a little bit harder to swallow. Scum require deeper motivation to "backpedal" than to make an opening push, and the grounds for interpreting Pizza's actions at face value thin out. Why do you think Pizza backpedaled in this instance?

 

 

 

I think he gave himself some wiggle room in case he was wrong.

 

Alright, maybe I misunderstood your implications somewhere along the way. Are you saying you think he's probably town? Or if you think he's scum, wrong about what?

 

 

No.  I'm saying Pizza was confident Nolder was scum.  Then he backpedaled and stated even if Nolder was town I was not.  I'd like to know how he discerned this?  What made him lean toward Nolder as town, especially since his early read on Nolder.

 

 

Well, ok, sorry if I'm being a bit persistent here. You said you thought he backed off Nolder for "wiggle room in case he was wrong". If he's scum, there's nothing to be "wrong" about; he would know Nolder's alignment.  So could you maybe clarify red specifically for me?

 

 

Are you suggesting that scum would not try to walk it back...cause to me it appeared his pivot toward this way allowed him to be wrong on Nolder.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

NotBob you lynching Tab tomorrow?

 

You town?

 

 

YES

 

 

If you were the Vig, who would you shoot and why?

 

 

 

Darthe,,,,

 

but seriously Nolder prolly as hes my 2nd best scum read.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ure getting on my nerves shad

 

I'm sorry.  I'm sufficiently indecisive to not care which one of them eats it, and I have more than sufficient town cred at this point that no one who looks back more than a few pages is going to suss me for playing some EoD games that could be potentially revealing depending on reactions/flip.

 

 

I disagree

 

 

strongly

 

 

Go on?

 

 I do hence why I strongly disagree.

 

 

I meant like, with reasons.

 

 

 

You EoD was horrible I dont think it s needs any more explaining. 

 

 

Why?

 

 

Your vote on John Snow then switch knowingly without unvoting Tab.  You didnt vote at EoD and your response to my SW comment and your refusal to even really evaluate my case on Tab.  That's just off the top of my head.

[Zander?]

imma stick around for like 5 more minutes then watch a movie if anyone wants to talk first.

[Shad_]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For me, right now:

Alanna

Thane

Lenlo

Dice

 

Pizza

Tabor

BFG

Zan

Notbob

Andrej

 

Nolder

Snow

Top of page 34, going to bed, and I have to wake up way way way too soon. -_-

 

I'm at something like this.

BFG

Lenlo

Pizza

Dice

AJ

Zander

NotBob - put a lot of thought into this slot and I'm feeling pretty okay with him so far.  I've got a question out there for him to answer yet.

Thane

Taborline

Nolder

John Snow

 

Pretty stoked that my previous incarnation had the same scum pile.  We shall GOAT or fail together. 

 

 

I missed it...do a favor and ask again?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can you put this into an actual case rather than this bulleted list sort of thing? I can sort of see what your getting at with Nolder but before I do anything on the matter I want you to spell it out for me. This way I can understand more where your coming from and get you locked down into a case on Nolder so you cant shift the goal posts/do scum things about it later on.

 

Basically I would like you to clarify this if you dont mind.

Fence sitting.

 

Normally I wouldn't call it this early in the game but the hedging language of "I can sort of see" is what really stands out.

 

Fence sitting? Did you even read the rest of the post? I was asking him to put his case on you in less, more concrete words. The "I can sort of see" language was because the dude posts a small essay every time he cases someone. I was helping YOU by making him do a clearer writeup.

 

Someone else needs to read zander for me.

 

His tone is bugging me again but im kinda having to look at him thru nice eyes atm so I cant be really sure

\

 

 

@pizza i assume thats at me? I will take as long as I take to get a read on you. You are tricksy so i will be careful

Honestly, Zander is bugging me. Theres not enough lols and I get the feeling he is trying to look helpful but got into to quickly because the thread got more serious than he could to quickly.Im keeping an eye on him and dont mind where my vote currently is, even though it was originally there for a joke.

 

 

 

Nolder looks disinterested. Means nothing at this point.

I'm very skeptical that Nolder means nothing to you. I feel that you're aware of Nolder's alignment, and don't want to reveal how you became aware of it.

 

Whether Nolder is townie or not, you are likely not.

 

meh...feelings mean zero to me. Now you're backpedaling on your own case. Talk about walking it back...

 

This doesnt look like backpedaling to me. Please explain? Just steal some of Pizza's words and use them, he has to many already.

 

First, he has a scum read on Nolder, now he says he may be wrong but I am.

 

You're a face value scum hunter. I recognize that. It's why I was pretty leery of Pizza's initial case on you. His Nolder "read" was much less likely to bait players based on their alignment than based on their null manner of interpreting actions. Some of us saw a trap, others saw an unusual read, and sooner or later someone among the latter pile was going to comment. I don't think there was anything remotely scummy about you stepping up for Nolder in that instance. I definitely think that a town in Pizza's position though, in the absence of any meta, would find it pretty suspect that you basically settled on agreeing to disagree rather than prodding Pizza further, and once he clarified (without being asked) that this was the root of his concern, I felt better about him. I'm more willing to give you a null pass because prior games have conditioned me to accept an apparent lack of interest in scum hunting out of you. I think the impression boils down to you being someone who bases reads on observation rather than engagement. Basically, I don't expect town!NotBob to prod people whose actions he finds suspicious. I expect him to somewhat passively take note of them and vote accordingly.

 

 

Now I have the above quote chain to chew on, and it's a little bit harder to swallow. Scum require deeper motivation to "backpedal" than to make an opening push, and the grounds for interpreting Pizza's actions at face value thin out. Why do you think Pizza backpedaled in this instance?

 

 

 

I think he gave himself some wiggle room in case he was wrong.

 

Alright, maybe I misunderstood your implications somewhere along the way. Are you saying you think he's probably town? Or if you think he's scum, wrong about what?

 

 

No.  I'm saying Pizza was confident Nolder was scum.  Then he backpedaled and stated even if Nolder was town I was not.  I'd like to know how he discerned this?  What made him lean toward Nolder as town, especially since his early read on Nolder.

 

 

Well, ok, sorry if I'm being a bit persistent here. You said you thought he backed off Nolder for "wiggle room in case he was wrong". If he's scum, there's nothing to be "wrong" about; he would know Nolder's alignment.  So could you maybe clarify red specifically for me?

 

 

Are you suggesting that scum would not try to walk it back...cause to me it appeared his pivot toward this way allowed him to be wrong on Nolder.

 

Nope, not suggesting that at all.  I don't think Pizza was doing that in this instance even if he's scum, but that's a bit irrelevant.  I was trying to grasp your thought process and get a better read on you.  I think you're probably town.

[Shad_]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ure getting on my nerves shad

 

I'm sorry.  I'm sufficiently indecisive to not care which one of them eats it, and I have more than sufficient town cred at this point that no one who looks back more than a few pages is going to suss me for playing some EoD games that could be potentially revealing depending on reactions/flip.

 

 

I disagree

 

 

strongly

 

 

Go on?

 

 I do hence why I strongly disagree.

 

 

I meant like, with reasons.

 

 

 

You EoD was horrible I dont think it s needs any more explaining. 

 

 

Why?

 

 

Your vote on John Snow then switch knowingly without unvoting Tab.  You didnt vote at EoD and your response to my SW comment and your refusal to even really evaluate my case on Tab.  That's just off the top of my head.

 

 

Before you realized that I had not unvoted, how did you feel about my vote on Tab?

[Nolder]

 

 

 

 

NotBob you lynching Tab tomorrow?

 

You town?

 

 

YES

 

 

If you were the Vig, who would you shoot and why?

 

 

 

Darthe,,,,

 

but seriously Nolder prolly as hes my 2nd best scum read.

 

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ure getting on my nerves shad

 

I'm sorry.  I'm sufficiently indecisive to not care which one of them eats it, and I have more than sufficient town cred at this point that no one who looks back more than a few pages is going to suss me for playing some EoD games that could be potentially revealing depending on reactions/flip.

 

 

I disagree

 

 

strongly

 

 

Go on?

 

 I do hence why I strongly disagree.

 

 

I meant like, with reasons.

 

 

 

You EoD was horrible I dont think it s needs any more explaining. 

 

 

Why?

 

 

Your vote on John Snow then switch knowingly without unvoting Tab.  You didnt vote at EoD and your response to my SW comment and your refusal to even really evaluate my case on Tab.  That's just off the top of my head.

 

 

Before you realized that I had not unvoted, how did you feel about my vote on Tab?

 

 

better then I did when you started the rest of that crap.