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[Clovdyx]

Cory - I'm starting to worry about TQ.

[alannalynn]

  On 10/28/2015 at 1:37 AM, Clovdyx said:

Cory - I'm starting to worry about TQ.

???

Anyways, I'm back to my homework, so I'm in and out for a bit

[Clovdyx]

You're not Cory.

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:53 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:49 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

nothing i can do in this game will make me a wolf, ever.

 

I've actually had you as pretty strong town most of the game, but that vote bumped you below my other confident town reads.  If you're up to something, that's one thing, but immediately following the person you've been calling scum for days on a case I feel is pretty objectively flawed is NOT a good look.

 

 i often do stuff like this just to stir the pot. i am interested in zander. im not opposed to any sort of lynch, except on my town core.

 

tbh i didn't know about the reasoning, but rack did grasp zander's wolf meta pretty well, so i wanted to know what would happen if i voted zander. =/

[Sili Quirrels]

do you think 'the bad reasoning' makes rack a wolf clov?

[Cory Caboose]

  On 10/28/2015 at 1:37 AM, Clovdyx said:

Cory - I'm starting to worry about TQ.

 

I'm amused you said this for one reason in particular, something I jotted down in my notes for my TQ:

 

 

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“Clov, you better be town” (#4) - BFG has problems getting comfortable as Mafia and is probably less likely to make these sort of “onus” posts if Clov is a villager. If she is Mafia I think this increases Clov’s wolf equity - I remember me and BFG having this sort of interaction in 9 to 5 as w/w, ie she was more comfortable with a teammate who could spitball than with a villager.

 

Let's just hope for a swift return

[Hallia]

  On 10/27/2015 at 3:16 PM, Sooh said:

 From where I stand I think Corlanna, Sili, Shad and Zander are my villagers. 

 

I still believe Thane is a viable option for wolf, 

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:07 PM, Sooh said:

 

I'm also very much cautiously watching Clov, Nomi and Yates at the moment. Not sure I want to lynch within that pool today though. I'm probably going to need more time on those. 

 

I'm not fond of Sooh's reads for the most part.  I agree that Shad is townish, and for the second part, you have left that so far open to interpretation it's not funny.  Are you watching them because you think they're scum?

[Clovdyx]

I think it makes him more likely to be mafia than I did previously. Not sold on it, so I plan to see how he continues the rest of the phase, but I wouldn't fight a Lynch on Jim at all.

[Clovdyx]

I think it makes him more likely to be mafia than I did previously. Not sold on it, so I plan to see how he continues the rest of the phase, but I wouldn't fight a Lynch on Jim at all.

[Clovdyx]

I think it makes him more likely to be mafia than I did previously. Not sold on it, so I plan to see how he continues the rest of the phase, but I wouldn't fight a Lynch on Jim at all.

[Clovdyx]

Long story short, Jim sucks.

 

(Thanks dragonmount)

[Hallia]

True story. XD

[Clovdyx]

  On 10/28/2015 at 1:58 AM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 1:37 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

Cory - I'm starting to worry about TQ.

I'm amused you said this for one reason in particular, something I jotted down in my notes for my TQ:

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

“Clov, you better be town” (#4) - BFG has problems getting comfortable as Mafia and is probably less likely to make these sort of “onus” posts if Clov is a villager. If she is Mafia I think this increases Clov’s wolf equity - I remember me and BFG having this sort of interaction in 9 to 5 as w/w, ie she was more comfortable with a teammate who could spitball than with a villager.

 

Let's just hope for a swift return

Page...18? I think it was.

[Cory Caboose]

  On 10/28/2015 at 2:09 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 1:58 AM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 1:37 AM, Clovdyx said:

Cory - I'm starting to worry about TQ.

I'm amused you said this for one reason in particular, something I jotted down in my notes for my TQ:

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

“Clov, you better be town” (#4) - BFG has problems getting comfortable as Mafia and is probably less likely to make these sort of “onus” posts if Clov is a villager. If she is Mafia I think this increases Clov’s wolf equity - I remember me and BFG having this sort of interaction in 9 to 5 as w/w, ie she was more comfortable with a teammate who could spitball than with a villager.

 

Let's just hope for a swift return

Page...18? I think it was.

 

 

corky on the case

[Clovdyx]

13, not 18. Had to switch to full version on phone so I could find it.

[Shad_]

Catching up again.

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:22 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:18 PM, Zander said:

Sili- who esle besides Rack are you looking at?

 

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:19 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

Everyone.

 

 

is it odd i really like this response??!!!

 

 

lololololololol

 

 

Posts like these are why I like Zander in this game.  It might seem pretty trivial but I think through all the usual horsing around he's attempting to bring attention to things that ring authentic in Zanderland.  It's not that scum!Zander can't make this post, but it would just be a really random thing for him to say if he didn't actually mean it.

[Lenlo]

See, I dont like Zander cause he never definitively says something that someone else hasn't said first.

 

He doesnt say "This is a good response" or "This is a town response", but "Is it odd I really like this response?". He didnt say anything about me till there were others. It feels to me like  he is following people, using his jokes/lols/never being 100% serious in a post and the number of his posts as a smokescreen to hide behind. You all may think thats towny, but I dont.

 

If he wants to be town in my book, he has to actually start casing people and posting original content. 

[rackcitysteelers]

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:41 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:29 AM, rackcitysteelers said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:17 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:15 AM, rackcitysteelers said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:08 AM, Clovdyx said:

Things that make me say, "Hmmm..."

Penny for you thoughts?

Your argument is not very good, and Sili following you - if serious - is terribad.

I obviously disagree on the argument so we'll just agree to disagree on this point

 

 

I'm sure you do, but I don't see how.  The initial post thing is whatever - if you don't know Zander, it might feel forced, but I can pull dozens of examples of posts like that where he was town.  I think it was Yates that summed it up perfectly...it's 100% null for him.  

 

Defending and backing people up is a pretty fair claim, but as I said with Pral, not sure that's really scummy.  Finding townies significantly narrows down the possible pool for mafia, so there's a lot of value there, and I would say it's usually easier to find a few good town reads on D1 than a strong mafia read (barring an absolute screw up).  In terms of laying low...I would fully buy that if it were true, but for Zander, specifically, this is hardly the case.  The guy has over a hundred posts and has been one of the most active players in the game.

 

Biggest issue is your claim of him piling on.  I don't think Lenlo was really a popular wagon at all when Zander voted; he had votes from you and Sili.  In a phase where it's 9 to lynch, 2 votes don't mean a whole lot.  It means even less when there's five days left in the phase and neither your vote nor Sili's had much backing behind it.  

 

 

The initial posting thing wasn't really a big part of my argument at all, it was just the event that made his posts stand out to me while I was catching up.

 

When I said lay low, I meant it as in he wasn't saying anything offensive that would draw attention to himself. I think he phrased his words carefully. On post 435 Pralaya posted some quotes of his that emphasize it. Note that in none of them does he say he thinks someone is town. He imo is calculating with his language, instead phrasing it as him not thinking that town or mafia (Player) would do that but he also leaves some doubt in the posts so he could possibly wiggle out of it later without looking too bad. I think it's a very clear scum tactic.

 

Lenlo may have only had 2 votes then, but he put it to three which is a third of the vote. The rest of the votes were really spread out at the time too. Not only that, but there were a couple of people who had said things about Lenlo around there that they were iffy. It's not crazy to think that Zander was hoping to start a little run.

[rackcitysteelers]

Also, am I supposed to be Jim?

[Cory Caboose]

You should be honored. JBC is a gentleman and scholar.

[Shad_]

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:36 PM, Sooh said:

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:17 PM, Nomi Sunrider said:

*snip*

 

Tell me more about Nomi Sunrider. What do you see.

I see jokes and fun and entertainment mixed with analysis and thought process. I can follow your thoughts and ideas, and I'm this close to calling you clear town.

 

I like this.

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:45 PM, Sooh said:

I said I would look at Taboo. I could be wrong, but I think the whole coming up with possible explanations for why I would post what I did and for discussing Hally to length is not something scum Taboo would do. I think that's more likely a townie mindset.

 

I've never played with Tab and I'm not sure what she's capable of. I like the effort she's putting in but the content especially irt Hallia just doesn't cut it for me. I'll look at Tab's chat with Yates again but basically Dice's suss of Clov was crap and however that makes you feel about Dice, I struggle to grasp how anyone could begin to think his in-game scum mate coaching idea was an actual possibility.

[Shad_]

  On 10/28/2015 at 3:05 AM, Lenlo said:

See, I dont like Zander cause he never definitively says something that someone else hasn't said first.

 

He doesnt say "This is a good response" or "This is a town response", but "Is it odd I really like this response?". He didnt say anything about me till there were others. It feels to me like  he is following people, using his jokes/lols/never being 100% serious in a post and the number of his posts as a smokescreen to hide behind. You all may think thats towny, but I dont.

 

If he wants to be town in my book, he has to actually start casing people and posting original content. 

 

I'll humor this much--when I wrote that post my one second guessing was the fact that if scum he'd already committed to a town read of Sili before he wrote it.  That being said, the thought didn't stop me from posting.

[Lenlo]

Just let it be known, I will not be standing in the way of a Zander lynch. Not until he steps up his game and posts some original content.

[rackcitysteelers]

  On 10/28/2015 at 3:15 AM, cory caboose said:

You should be honored. JBC is a gentleman and scholar.

 

All aboard the Jim Bob train! Coot Coot!

[Shad_]

  On 10/27/2015 at 8:44 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:01 PM, Taborline said:

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 3:57 PM, Yates said:

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 3:54 PM, Taborline said:

I get that now, I was just saying to Shad why I had said what I had said in the first place, which seemed to be the question I was being asked.

.....

Maybe I missed something here. So have you backed out of your suggestion from earlier that people were "helping Hally?"

 

.....

I'm going to step away and get some lunch.

 

 

I had never intended to suggest that people were definitely doing that in the first place. What I actually said was "I think anyone who answered that question could be a team mate, if indeed Hally is scum." Meaning it was a possibility, and indeed I clarified "Because all of those posts were talking about tells for how Hally plays, she could conceivably use any of them to modify her play style, no one seemed more telling than another. Equally, none of them could be teammates, and Hally might not be scum. I didn't see there being a hint there."

 

I don't see how I'm backing out?

 

 

Almost ripping my hair out at this.  I was going to say that it made me want to lynch Tab, but I went back and realized it wasn't even Tab who brought it up originally - it was Dice who took the initial issue with it.  

 

Tab said anybody could be a teammate, which I suppose is technically true...anybody could be.  My initial take on that post was that she was suggesting we were more likely, which I disagree with on multiple fronts.  If it's just a "well, there's nothing prevent it" absolutely.  Just seems like a wasted discussion.

 

 

Nothing preventing a wolf discussing team mate Hallia  or nothing preventing w/w coaching?  I think it's an important distinction here.