[Standard] The Matrix Reloaded - Game Over

[Zander?]

Just because I don't put out 1.8billion posts, doesn't mean I'm not trying.  I've kept my head poked in consistently, even if it's not a ton.  

 

Just got in after a day on the lake, so I will be catching up now.

 

 

interested to hear what it is you come back with Poutine Lover

[Yates]

Okay. This is a Standard Game. What are the chances of there being a Vengeful AND a 1X Vig? In theory both could kill Town - as has supposedly happened.

[Zander?]

 

Final Votecount

Rack - Yates, Lenlo, Taborline, Thane, Hallia, Clov, Pral, Sili, Dice (9)

Lenlo - Zander, Nomi, Corlanna, Shad (4)

Pral - Sooh (1)

 

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: Friday 30th 3PM PST.

 

 

 

 

Final Votecount

Sooh - Lenlo, Clov, Corlanna, Yates, Thane, Taborline, Hallia (7)

Lenlo - Zander, Dice, Sooh, Sili, Shad (5)

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: Wednesday 8PM PST.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Final Votecount

Lenlo - Zander, Corlanna, Hallia, Dice, Shad, Taborline (6)

Hallia - Lenlo, Thane (2)

Corlnanna - Sili  (1)

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Guess deadline wont be an issue, see you all on Monday.

 

[Zander?]

RTE/BFG not on ANY vote

 

Yates not on the last

[Sili Quirrels]

Okay. This is a Standard Game. What are the chances of there being a Vengeful AND a 1X Vig? In theory both could kill Town - as has supposedly happene

well there is definitely a vengeful and a vig in the game. that i don't think anyone can disagree with after last night. now, are they on the same team? maybe not.

 

also smith seems like a character who would be independent in this game.

[Zander?]

Hallia and Yates and Thane both on for 2 town lynches.

 

Sili and Thane on no chance Lynch D3

 

Dice was the bad hammer on Rack D1

 

Hallia was the horribad hammer on Sooh D2

[Sili Quirrels]

Hallia and Yates and Thane both on for 2 town lynches.

 

Sili and Thane on no chance Lynch D3

 

Dice was the bad hammer on Rack D1

 

Hallia was the horribad hammer on Sooh D2

it's obvious i would have voted the lenlo first and foremost always right?

[Sili Quirrels]

i hope it is -.-

[Zander?]

 

Hallia and Yates and Thane both on for 2 town lynches.

 

Sili and Thane on no chance Lynch D3

 

Dice was the bad hammer on Rack D1

 

Hallia was the horribad hammer on Sooh D2

it's obvious i would have voted the lenlo first and foremost always right?

 

 

 

i hope it is -.-

 

 

i feel pretty confident youre town here Sili so I want to and kinda do believe you.

 

just pointing out what i see brother.

[Zander?]

where im at and pretty sure im staying baring claims or anything crazy

 

Hallia > Dice > Yates > RTE > Thane > Sili > Corlanna

 

feel pretty good about this order.

 

Not lynching Sili or Corlanna at all this game

 

if Thane's a wolf he deserves the win imo.

[Zander?]

[v] Hallia [/v]

[Hallia]

 

Final Votecount

Lenlo - Zander, Corlanna, Hallia, Dice, Shad, Taborline (6)

Hallia - Lenlo, Thane (2)

Corlnanna - Sili  (1)

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Guess deadline wont be an issue, see you all on Monday.

 

 

Hallia and Yates and Thane both on for 2 town lynches.

 

Sili and Thane on no chance Lynch D3

 

Dice was the bad hammer on Rack D1

 

Hallia was the horribad hammer on Sooh D2

 

You forgot that i was also on Lenlo's lynch, sir.  Nice picking and choosing.

[Zander?]

 

 

Final Votecount

Lenlo - Zander, Corlanna, Hallia, Dice, Shad, Taborline (6)

Hallia - Lenlo, Thane (2)

Corlnanna - Sili  (1)

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Guess deadline wont be an issue, see you all on Monday.

 

 

Hallia and Yates and Thane both on for 2 town lynches.

 

Sili and Thane on no chance Lynch D3

 

Dice was the bad hammer on Rack D1

 

Hallia was the horribad hammer on Sooh D2

 

You forgot that i was also on Lenlo's lynch, sir.  Nice picking and choosing.

 

 

 

pretty sure i did include it in the final vote lists Hallia.  i pointed out what stuck out to me....i also didnt comment on the others that voted him either did I?

 

you said you were catching up awhile ago and this is the only response we got....until some heat comes your way...

 

seems like youre lurking....

 

but you can keep howling for us my dear!!!

[Hallia]

I'm reading here and there while I do dinner.  I want to get all the way caught up.  I caught the flips.  It makes me want to pay attention to Shad's lists, I'm wondering if he was sweating anyone that caused the flip.

[Zander?]

I'm reading here and there while I do dinner.  I want to get all the way caught up.  I caught the flips.  It makes me want to pay attention to Shad's lists, I'm wondering if he was sweating anyone that caused the flip.

 

 

 

 

I don't think there is necessarily scum between Thane and Hallia, just that they can't be w/w.

 

But I would lynch Hallia between the two of them if it came to that without much hesitation.

then you must think cory or yates are scum?

 

That's kind of a leap.

 

Here's my look at it:

 

Yates is entirely capable of replicating his tone as scum, and I have seen him gamble on his reputation as a good player. He's the sort of player who would do things like defend a fairly outed team mate to buy an extra mislynch, banking on a fallback to 'Yates is too good to do anything that blatant. Everyone makes a bad read once in a while'. I don't know if that's his norm, but it was how he approached the one game I saw him as scum in. Unfortunately, that leaves me in the awkward position of instinctively sussing him any time he's wrong in a big way or does something eccentric. Between supporting Lenlo and tossing out his reads for Clov's, I got it pretty well locked in my head that he's scum and it's a feeling I really doubt I'm going to be able to shake.

 

I've played a lot of games with Thane now and he's never shown quite the same face in any of them, but there was a sort of apathy I saw in my one game with him as scum that just is not present here, at all. He's a highly meta-based read and I only have one game of scum meta to go on, so it's a little bit of a gamble on my end to say that Thane is always going to slug along and play like he just wants to get the game over with and move on when he rands scum. I have no idea what a scum!Thane who actually wants to win looks like. But there are other things with him. There is a consistency to how he reacts to certain situations as town, and he's maintained that consistency in this game. So I'm basing my town read on the idea that 1) scum!Thane is less likely to possess the will to try this hard and 2) scum!Thane won't be able to replicate his behavior this well.

 

Hallia is a really flaky gut read for me. I've seen her play strong town games but not often. Her weak town games and her scum games are pretty similar. It leaves me instinctively hesitant to lynch her because I feel like it's a 1/4 shot half the time. It also leaves me looking for telltale signs of towniness and weighing them stronger than I really should, for as easily as they can be replicated. Like when I thought her Pral vote was townish for her--how easy is it for someone to remember they're scum reading Cory and toss in a quick preface of "I feel better about Cory" to avoid inconsistency? Anyone can do that. I weigh it too heavily in her favor. Ultimately, she should probably be lynched for the simple fact that Lenlo was scum and she dropped that early hammer on Sooh. Hallia doesn't play a deep game as scum and that sort of move is not twtbaw for her imo--though I've always outed her for bad bussing, not bad protecting. My gut says maybe town but it's a garbage read--especially considering I had a similar feeling about her last game until her bad hammer on her scum mate D1.

 

Tab did a lot of things to try and derail Lenlo's lynch and her reasons were terrible. The conspiracy theory she concocted for voting Sooh over Lenlo was a really big stretch, and she followed it up with two totally contradictory posts. When it looked like Lenlo was guaranteed to be the D3 lynch, she treated it as though it was a known fact that he was scum. Then, at a point when it looked like he might not go down D3 after all, she flipped back to not wanting to lynch him based on Thane's argument that the speed with which he was getting strung up felt slimy. I don't even know how to put the necessary amount of insanity this process takes to be town concisely: D2 she thinks Thane and Lenlo are scum, but because Thane doesn't vote Lenlo she votes with Thane on Sooh under the assumption that Thane will always bus. When that theory falls through, she says Lenlo has to be scum. Then when Thane tries to stop the Lenlo lynch D3, she says he has a good point and rolls with him. Tab has no actual read on Thane. There's no way around this. No town player would ever forget to consider the possibility that their top two scum reads could be team mates. Especially no town player who is thinking deep enough to concoct the D2 theory. My only hesitance irt Tab is that I have zero experience with her, but if she's town it's beyond twtbaw. It would be the most illogical honest thought process I have ever seen in this game. We can't not lynch that and there is no excuse to not string her up tomorrow.

 

With RTE, I'm banking a lot on Cory tbh. I am accepting that he is town and therefor that his read on BFG is well informed. I am also taking the hard statistics he threw out into consideration. I hated that BFG waited until after a town player was mislynched to pop in and say she's have voted the scum player. I once lynched Sooh for doing pretty much the exact same thing, and I was right. I also felt she might have sheeped Clov's leading question at Sooh early D2, because it was a question very few people would think to ask. I also hated how RTE tried to brush off Lenlo's lynch as an "info" lynch. I would call it a blatant lie had he not just subbed into the game.

 

Dice is always a non-conventional read but he's done the things that I expect him to do as town and I don't want to get into it. Cory has been reading him town too, and I'm trusting Cory. I could go back and see what Clov thought about him. Maybe I will later if it comes to that. But ultimately I just have to trust myself on Dice and until I'm wrong I'm probably right. I misread him our first game together because Dice is Dice. I've been right ever since, and I've probably read his scum game in Harry Potter (or was it British Monarchy) like six times at this point in my mafia career.

 

Everyone else convinced me that they were town a long time ago. Yes yes, anyone could be scum, but this is how I roll with clears: if you've done enough that I won't feel embarrassed if I lose to you, then I don't mind locking you in at this point in the game. You can always still blow it, but you have to really blow it.

 

Bottom line:

 

Tab is obvious scum.

RTE is probably scum.

Final one is probably between Hallia and Yates.

 

Don't exit that pool until those four are resolved by death or a peek imo. Probably wouldn't even go outside of that based on a town peek unless we've caught the Godfather.

 

Thane and Dice are very long shots and I think they're town.

Cory and Sili are extremely long shots and I think they're town.

If Zander is scum lololol holy crap you were amazing bro.

 

 

 

Yep

 

Tab

RTE

You (Hallia)

Yates

[Cory Caboose]

Hallia I'm not comfortable voting aorn but if I was forced to I'd be voting you

If you are a villager now is the time to talk me out of it

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Just because I don't put out 1.8billion posts, doesn't mean I'm not trying.  I've kept my head poked in consistently, even if it's not a ton.  

 

Just got in after a day on the lake, so I will be catching up now.

do you think we should be townreading you?

 

going to ask you the same thing again.

[dicetosser1]

 

Okay. This is a Standard Game. What are the chances of there being a Vengeful AND a 1X Vig? In theory both could kill Town - as has supposedly happene

well there is definitely a vengeful and a vig in the game. that i don't think anyone can disagree with after last night. now, are they on the same team? maybe not.

 

also smith seems like a character who would be independent in this game.

 

 

how do you figure a vengeful and a vig would not be on the same team?

[Sili Quirrels]

Too much firepower. Seems unlikely in a basic game. Also factoring in my own role.

[Thane Vakarian]

hmm... the discussion wether or not a 1x vig would be town or not.... IF it'd be the case, then the wolf team would have at least 2 PR's imo... 

[Thane Vakarian]

Too much firepower. Seems unlikely in a basic game. Also factoring in my own role.

you didn't claim yet, or did i miss it?

[Sili Quirrels]

I dont want to claim in the off chance it matters. Sorry.

[Thane Vakarian]

the claim would be interesting though.... We need to confirm townies at this point

[Sili Quirrels]

It wouldnt confirm me yet.

[Zander?]

morning people

 

not much to catch up on I see