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  On 11/4/2015 at 6:23 PM, Shad_ said:

Votecount

 

 

Lenlo - Zander, Dice, Sooh, Sili, Shad (5)

 

Sooh - Lenlo, Clov, Corlanna, Yates, Thane, Taborline (6)

Actually, this suggests Dice is scum bussing. Unless you think this is a zero bus scum team? So thanks for the reminder.

 

Tabor/Dice/Hally pool tomorrow, imo.

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  On 11/7/2015 at 4:08 AM, cory caboose said:

Why is RTE town Yates?

Oh he isn't. He is conf scum, though. So no need to include him in a scum discussion pool.
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Tab is a really hard read. I snipped these quotes irt her treatment of Sooh throughout the game:

 

 

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In the meantime, she starts out liking Thane's first big analysis/reads post (who didn't?) but quickly turns on him, largely to do with his treatment of Dice. She puts Dice and Thane as her two bottom scum, but not w/w.

 

With Sooh she starts out bothered, works her back up to a null, says she'll ISO but kind of drops the topic after getting hounded by Z. We don't hear opinions on Sooh again until she votes her.

 

She's been consistently suspect of Lenlo.

 

So her ultimate reason for voting Sooh is that she thinks Sooh and Thane are w/w and don't want to be on the same mislynch (Lenlo) together, so Sooh votes Lenlo and Thane votes Tab, but Tab's not going through so he commits to bussing his scum mate Sooh.

 

The actual consequence is that immediately after Thane brings Sooh up to a tie with Lenlo (5 votes each) she votes Sooh as well on the theory that Thane is bussing.

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Basically Tab votes WITH her top scum read on a NULL COUNTERWAGON to her third scum read. That looks pretty awful.

A part of me feels like there is continuity to her thoughts. She's suspicious of Thane. She sees Thane treating Sooh as one of his top scum reads all game, then when it comes time to find a target other than Lenlo, Thane goes for her instead of Sooh. Maybe his scum read of Sooh is distancing, but he doesn't actually want to get her lynched? But since he can't steer town away from a Sooh vote, he's boxed himself into committing to the bus now. And look at Sooh, jumping at the opportunity to lynch Lenlo as soon as Shad provided a means to lynch him without consequence.

This could make sense from someone who is basically fully convinced in her head that Thane is scum and everything he does is scummy. Especially after he voted Tab (she knows she's town) over anyone else (paranoia), she knows there's a link between them, and Sooh's taking advantage of my Lenlo case, so bam! Two scum outed. Feels good.

And then my intelligent side kicks in and says wow that's stupid. Tab was scum reading Lenlo all game, and I rolled in with every reason in the world to vote him. She was town reading me. Who jumps to "too easy" and assumes Lenlo must be town because some other guy she's also scum reading exploited an excuse to peel off of Lenlo but dumped his new vote in a manner inconsistent with his previous reads?   Like, at the core of all this she's going "I think Thane is scum and I think Lenlo is scum and Thane is trying to stop the Lenlo lynch, but because he tried to peel votes off onto me instead of Sooh he and Sooh must be w/w distancing from each other therefor Lenlo is town!" Really?

And "Thane liking lynching me over lynching Sooh at that point (or Dice or Hally even), and lynching me for what I think is a weak reason, is odd to me" when one of her reasons for sussing Thane is his town read on Dice isn't the sort of mistake an attentive town who's watching Thane like a hawk should ever really make.

Then post-Sooh flip we get

 

  On 11/4/2015 at 11:10 PM, Taborline said:

Lenlo, you SOB.


Followed by:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 12:03 PM, Taborline said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 7:11 AM, Thane Vakarian said:

..... :sad: bye Clov, see you in DT.

people, calm down.... Lenlo is being run up here imo. With 4 wolves still in the game, highly possible. One needs two or three wolves to start the train ,get town to doubt and boom, one more townie down.

I can be wrong about Len, i know. And that'd be bad.

I'll still [v] Hallia [/v]

That hammer and her explanation after.... nope. nope nope nope.


I'm starting to worry that's true as well, that Lenlo is being run up.

Sooh - Lenlo, Corlanna, Yates, Thane, Taborline, Hallia (7)

Lenlo - Zander, Dice, Sili, Shad (5)

Saying Lenlo is what he says he is, or some form of town, that leaves a lot of my previous townish-reads sitting in the wolf pile. Right now, I feel Zander and Shad are my only stronger reads, though I have a fear in the back of my mind that Shad is just really, really good. The same fear I have for Cory, Yates and Sili.

 


HOLY S*** ARE YOU SHEEPING THANE NOW?

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Because I do get a slight feeling that there's a pattern of mass paranoia behind her thoughts that's making her continually act in ways totally counter to her stated reads.

 

But it's pretty bad.

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  On 11/7/2015 at 4:05 AM, Yates said:

 

  On 11/4/2015 at 6:23 PM, Shad_ said:

Votecount

 

 

Lenlo - Zander, Dice, Sooh, Sili, Shad (5)

 

Sooh - Lenlo, Clov, Corlanna, Yates, Thane, Taborline (6)

Actually, this suggests Dice is scum bussing. Unless you think this is a zero bus scum team? So thanks for the reminder.

 

Tabor/Dice/Hally pool tomorrow, imo.

 

 

Not convinced that you are scum (though I've let myself jump to that a few times) but feeling pretty confident that this lynch was zero bus.

 

Maybe I'm just clinging to too much faith in this town.

Posted
  On 11/7/2015 at 3:42 AM, Yates said:

 

  On 11/7/2015 at 1:59 AM, Shad_ said:

Does it make any sense for scum!Yates to, knowing Clov was town, openly sheep him to do a complete flip on his stances on Lenlo and Cory?

ftfy

 

 

You mean the same Yates who gets away with claiming Miller on D2 and then claiming that the cop peeked him town after he shoots her D4?  Yeah, he'd do that.

 

But would town!Yates was my question.

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  On 11/7/2015 at 5:46 AM, Shad_ said:

Because I do get a slight feeling that there's a pattern of mass paranoia behind her thoughts that's making her continually act in ways totally counter to her stated reads.

 

But it's pretty bad.

 

More like a strong feeling that this pattern exists.  Meh.

 

Maybe the question to ask is this: does town!Tab get cold feet and back away from lynches any time they feel too easy?

Posted

Going to bed, good luck if I wake up in dead thread.  Don't tinfoil.  Always better to lose because scum played epic than because town played terrible.

Posted

Hard to conceive of any of these as scum:

10) Zander

11) Corlanna (Cory/Alanna)

3) Sili

14) Dice

 

Really torn on this one:

4) Thane

 

Lynch from these imo:

9) Yates

5) Hallia

7) Taborline
15) BFG ReleaseTheEvil

Posted

I'll try collecting Hallia's and Tabor's posts before and after their hammers in a bit.

 

Based on Sili's ISOs (thanks) my lynch pool tomorrow would be Yates, Tabor, Hallia, Thane.

Posted
  On 11/7/2015 at 5:49 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 11/7/2015 at 4:05 AM, Yates said:

 

 

  On 11/4/2015 at 6:23 PM, Shad_ said:

Votecount

 

 

Lenlo - Zander, Dice, Sooh, Sili, Shad (5)

 

Sooh - Lenlo, Clov, Corlanna, Yates, Thane, Taborline (6)

Actually, this suggests Dice is scum bussing. Unless you think this is a zero bus scum team? So thanks for the reminder.

 

Tabor/Dice/Hally pool tomorrow, imo.

Not convinced that you are scum (though I've let myself jump to that a few times) but feeling pretty confident that this lynch was zero bus.

 

Maybe I'm just clinging to too much faith in this town.

You're right. Crazy for me to think that of however many scum pr's there are, the whole team decided to go all in on the no bus approach to save a goon. A goon that will pretty much always get himself lynched in this game.
Posted
  On 11/7/2015 at 1:59 AM, Shad_ said:

Does it make any sense for town!Yates to, knowing Clov was town, openly sheep him to do a complete flip on his stances on Lenlo and Cory?

 

 

not gonna lie the swing around was a little off to me.

Posted
  On 11/7/2015 at 12:30 PM, alannalynn said:

 

  On 11/7/2015 at 12:25 PM, Zander said:

ALLLLLLLLlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

ZANDDEERRRRRRRRRRRRRR HI DARLING HOW ARE YOUUUUUU?????????????

 

 

 

tired as hell....lol my buddy called drunk at 5:00 am ish to go pick him up about 45 mins away.

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30 bloody pages.... i've skimmed 30 pages... 

 

and Lenlo is dead, and wolf. Gods why did i buy his claim..? Should have known better....

 

i need to rethink my entire suspect pool....

 

Can't blame you all for sussing me, i've been stupid enough to believe Len. And i missed the entire EOD.. ugh...  

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