[Standard] The Matrix Reloaded - Game Over

[Cory Caboose]

Reading Woodstock and then TUS (both games where Scum!Lenlo got lynched early) just to sort of see how he reacts to strong pressure on early day phases

In WS he pretty much bolts early and never comes back, here's his last fit of posting:

 

Hmm, alright, this looks like fun. Ive been alittle busy so sorry.

 

Lenlo are you planning on discussing the game today?

I was planning on it yeah, but im not sure I want to anymore cause im being yelled at.

 

 

 

I don't need you to talk len. You could just die.

</3

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't need you to talk len. You could just die.

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Am I the baddies?

 

Your hurtful thats what you are.

 

 

 

 

I'm the scummiest so far but I'm still town.


Lenlo should be the lynch because he is Lenlo and his defense was actually pretty scummy. Deflecting with a joke isn't a defense len.

Your right its not a defense. Theres nothing to defend against though Arsis. Your voting me as payback for killing you when you were a survivor. Im not gonna defend against something that was amusing for me to do in another game.

 

 

 

 

Lenlo, why do you think we should be townreading you?

You shouldnt be yet, cause ive done jack-all. Im trying to read through this thread right now and catch up but the amount of Tom/Des BS is making it annoying.

 

 

 

Its just annoying to read is all.

 

 

 

 

Going to go look at TUS since it's more recent but I'll share thoughts later

[Lenlo]

Those games were a long time ago, neither of which im proud of. Those were some of the reasons I stopped and tried to change how I play.

[Cory Caboose]

TUS

 

What does everyone see here?

 

 

 

 

 

 

AJ whats the case for Lenlo? He looked quite normal to me and also i seriously doubt he can be read d1.

 

He seems to be making up/confusing a bunch of crap.

 

Says that me/Zander would be a good info lynch but won't commit to scum reading me. Doesn't want to apply this same logic towards Kivam even though his justification was that we had a lot of interactions ITT. Says that he mixed me up with someone else, but doesn't remember who after the connection is made that he only begins to see me as a good lynch after Cory voices some concerns. Talks like he doesn't like my body of work in one post, says he thought it was good in another.

 

Just a lot of inconsistencies and disconnects.

 

Again, the Cory thing was what, 4 posts? Yeah some major concerns in an area of the thread where alot of people were getting "concerns" voiced about them. So suspect. Much wow.

 

As for the body inconsistencies with the body of you work, one read was from skimming 50 pages, the other was after reading all of yours in a vaccum. Im sure you can see why they might be just alittle different. You early work up to page 30 and then between pages 35 and 80 were crap. What actual gameplay posts you did end up making on Pg 34 and 84 on were good though. The part I thought was negative was how you and afew other people were flooding us with WoTs, spoilered or not.

 

Good morning. I'll be around for the next ~45 minutes or so while I get ready.

@Shad - Lenlo did not correct himself. He was asked for reasons as to why I was suddenly a gut read of his and didn't provide anything - choosing to argue the phrasing of his statement with Key instead. It wasn't until he came back around pg 100 that he said he had me mixed up with someone else.

Key started arguing the phrasing of the post first, asking why I would ask one thing and then not expect something else. I answered what she brought up and what she brought up was my phrasing.

 

 

 

I have to leave to go to a meeting with a professor. I hope to be around more before deadline, but I cant be sure.

 

Have fun. Plox no lunch. I dont like to eat till 1pm.

 

 

I'm sorry I'm disappointing you Wombat :(

Believe me, I wish I hadn't made the mistake much more than you do.

In other news, would it kill a professor to be on time to something?

 

 

Bout to enter the meeting, can you guys get me to L-1 real fast so I can self vote?

 

 

 

I agree though ^

He went from AJ gut scum read and good info lynch
AJ not scum read but still good info lynch
Ok, AJ wasn't who I meant

Not true, but I don't have time to argue this

 

 

 

 

 

Bout to enter the meeting, can you guys get me to L-1 real fast so I can self vote?

Null for Lenlo btw so don't get any ideas about what this may or may not mean.

What do you think it means?

Cause I was just poking fun at Kiv/AJ

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree though ^

He went from AJ gut scum read and good info lynch
AJ not scum read but still good info lynch
Ok, AJ wasn't who I meant

Not true, but I don't have time to argue this

You have 27 minutes to argue it -_-

I'm sitting in a lobby about to go into a meeting with a professor and typing on a small phone.

 

 

 

[Hallia]

I'm not sure. It would depend if our other PRs were x-shot as well, and I'm not even opening that role-fishing can of worms. Obviously I wouldn't want to lynch our doc. You asked earlier if you were town, who would be wolves and I think the list stays the same, with a highly unlikely chance of Deep Yates.

[Cory Caboose]

Those games were a long time ago, neither of which im proud of. Those were some of the reasons I stopped and tried to change how I play.

 

The Usual Suspects was back in August, so that's was post-hiatus.

 

Well, what do you see here? What have you done this game that differentiates from your scum games?

[Hallia]

[unvote]

You sound more like your villa self today.

[BFG]

Hi, you.      

<3

[BFG]

Zander and BFG - I have a question:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zander, talk to me about something that doesn't have ANYTHING to do with Lenlo?  I'm pretty sure I asked you this before, but I'm genuinely struggling to come up with any push you've tried to make besides him.

 

 

....um have you seen anything Ive posted about Dice??

 

i posted a question just a short while ago..

 

waiting for someone to ask me about it....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you guys wanna know a secret??

 

 

 

BFG GOAT!!!

 

 

:wub:

 

YOU WANNA KNOW ANOTHER REASON IM SURE DICE IS SCUM

 

YOU NOTICE DICE HAS HARDLY PUSHED BACK AT ME FOR SUSSING HIM AND HASHARDLY REPLIED TO MY COMMENTS ON HIM....TOWN!DICE NEVER WOULD DO THAT.

 

hes trying to avoid drawing more heat on him.

 

 

I don't even know what you're saying here.

 

 

 

ok its like Town!Dice is in your face whether he's thinks someones scum or in defending himself.

 

i dont feel he's doing that at all here.

 

i havent seen that real in your face Dice yet.

 

ive been at him for awhile and hes only had a few responses and even those were kinda at half DIce imo.  like maybe hes more invested as Town then as scum perhaps.

 

 

Am I wrong in thinking 99% of what you said about Town!Dice here also applies to Town!Cory? I'm just not sure how to apply these emotional posts/pleas to his meta. Like - is this more likely Town Cory or Scum Cory?

 

Gun to head I'd say town but I couldn't be at all confident. At a guess Sooh and Clov can probably give a more accurate read based on this.

[Cory Caboose]

BFG I am sorry if I was being excessively snippy to you yesterday. I'm under a similar umbrella of stress with redesigning and doing constant manual labor at the new place, my work office move (which is hilariously happening at the same time) and just a general lack of sleep and almost all of my free time has been spent playing multiple mafia games when I hate multi-talbing in the first place cause I get confused but both games just happened to start at like the same exact time.

[Hallia]

We love you, Cory, no matter what.

[BFG]

No worries

[Cory Caboose]

I also understand that I can be very volatile and turbulent in negative situations - it's how we get things like Cthulu and Anniversary - and I am again going to try and regain control of my lesser instincts.

 

We very, very, very direly need to lynch a wolf today. Assuming a 4-player wolf team, we waltz into a LYLO-1 tomorrow if we are wrong today. Let's not be wrong today.

 

Any insight into Lenlo would be appreciated, I'm going to dig where I can.

[Cory Caboose]

We love you, Cory, no matter what.

 

<3 halleh

[Hallia]

How do you feel on Tab?

[Cory Caboose]

AFAICT Tab is doing exactly what she was doing in the Ragnarok game; was present and posting thoughts early and then dropped off significantly later. She was 3P that game, so I have literally no clue what that means to her alignment this game. I've never seen her as Mafia, even dug up old games on another forum she plays on during Ragnarok and couldn't find anything that was helpful.

 

Her wolf equity is highly tied to the PoE.

[Cory Caboose]

True life story: there was a fly buzzing around my room and I caught it with my hand instinctively not even paying attention.

I'm a kung fu master.

[Hallia]

That you are

 

Sooh I'm torn on. I feel like I often read her as scum. I don't want to lynch her over and over again and be wrong.

[Nolder]

Votecount

Lenlo - Zander, Dice, Sooh, Corlanna, Sili (5)

Sooh - Lenlo, Clov (2)

Corlanna - Yates (1)

Taborline - Thane (1)

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: Wednesday 8PM PST.

 

 

 

[Cory Caboose]

Honestly I've hit a mental block on the Thane post that Clov pointed out and it's effecting my read/lack of read on Tab.

 

Like it's such a weird thing to say even for Thane. He's not questioning or speculating the mechanics, he's critiquing the balance of a game in which no wolf roles are actively known based on some town roles that have been either revealed or claimed. I believe it was in an attempt to lead up to a Lenlo vote? I need to reread that and why he said that because it's just not clicking and that's not what I'm talking about when I say "Thane talks about mechanics sometimes"

[Clovdyx]

 

Gun to head I'd say town but I couldn't be at all confident. At a guess Sooh and Clov can probably give a more accurate read based on this.

 

 

One time, Cory got into a big emotional fight with Despot and I tried to lynch Cory because Cory is far less stable as mafia than he is as town.  I didn't think Cory would blow up on me over something that was directly tied into solving the game, and I was so obviously town that game (well, I mean, I wasn't but that's only because I have no idea what towntelling is or how to do it) that I couldn't fathom he thought my push was insincere.  So anyways, we ended up not listening to me, and that was a good thing because I was totally wrong about him - he wasn't mafia at all.

 

He was only the serial killer, who ended up winning because nobody would advocate for his lynch after I died.        

 

So anyways, Cory and I hashed our argument out after the game was over and he insisted that he is capable of those kind of meltdowns (sorry brother, I don't know a more friendly word for it) as either alignment.  A little later, I was watching cthulu as a spectator and saw him completely flip out and get himself modkilled and I just thought he was so obviously town.  And he was, because what are the odds I could be wrong twice?  Not very good.

 

This is a very long way of saying he's capable of doing it as either alignment.  The key, in my opinion, is he would make more of an attempt to refrain from doing it as mafia.  I don't think he particularly ENJOYS being too attached as either alignment, but he gets heavily invested in mafia, and while I'm pretty sure he understands reasonable skepticism of him...that doesn't mean he's going to like it.  When he's putting in more work than just about anybody and he's STILL getting comments for it, or he's actually trying to solve it and he's discredited for being wrong by people that were too afraid/unwilling/scum to try...he's going to take it personally.  And it's going to flow out into his posts.

 

Long story short, I think he's very likely to be town this game.  He's made multiple posts that he's gone back and edited because "it wasn't worth it".  I don't think he has to edit those as mafia, because I don't think they ever get made.

[Cory Caboose]

Shad, let's just go with it for now. 

 

I have another target in mind for the moment, maybe you can figure out who it is.

 

 

 

ARE YOU PEOPLE REALLY BUYING THIS??!!!

Lenlo's claim? I'll go with it for now. Unless there's a CC or something. 

 

 

See but it isn't at all.

 

Meh. I don't get it.

[Clovdyx]

Everybody pretend somebody else made that post.  It's more caring than I want any of you to think I do.

[Hallia]

So thoughtful Clovvy

[Cory Caboose]

but he gets heavily invested in mafia, and while I'm pretty sure he understands reasonable skepticism of him...that doesn't mean he's going to like it.  When he's putting in more work than just about anybody and he's STILL getting comments for it, or he's actually trying to solve it and he's discredited for being wrong by people that were too afraid/unwilling/scum to try...he's going to take it personally.  And it's going to flow out into his posts.

 

I love you.

[Clovdyx]

AFAICT Tab is doing exactly what she was doing in the Ragnarok game; was present and posting thoughts early and then dropped off significantly later. She was 3P that game, so I have literally no clue what that means to her alignment this game. I've never seen her as Mafia, even dug up old games on another forum she plays on during Ragnarok and couldn't find anything that was helpful.

 

Her wolf equity is highly tied to the PoE.

 

I don't think she's playing all that similarly to how she was in Harry Potter, where I was mafia and SHE was town.  She caught some flack early on (I can't remember if it was from town or mafia, I think town) and she spent a bit of D1 on the defensive...but she was there.  She ended up getting mislynched D4, but she still posted her thoughts - even when there wasn't much there.  I'm not prepared to put an overwhelming amount of trust in a 1-game sample size, but she just seems so much more reactive here, and she's not opening up the same.

 

...also what Cory said about POE. :|