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[Clovdyx]

  On 11/3/2015 at 2:17 AM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 2:09 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 1:52 AM, BFG said:

Semi rhetorical.

 

But do you see? Cory hasn't really said anything TO Rack at all at that point?

 

I do see.  I'm just not sure I believe it's particularly indicative of his alignment at this point.  If Rack had flipped mafia, there's a pretty reasonable chance I would be all for killing Cory for it...but I kind of believe that Cory would be more inclined to interact with Rack (due to being the only person that knows him besides me in the game) if he were scum.

 

 

what?

 

 

I think you are more likely to distance from a teammate early (especially somebody who isn't likely to be overly high effort) than tie yourself to them.

[Cory Caboose]

  On 11/3/2015 at 2:18 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 2:13 AM, cory caboose said:

I'm not even going to bother. Had a big post typed up, but everyone would talk about what a cancer I am.

 

I'm a villager. Good job.

??? I don't think I've said anything even remotely along those lines.

 

 

If you're a villager I'm literally just disgusted at you. I was probably coming around read-wise in this game and I can't even think at this point because reading the thread just sets my teeth on edge.

[Cory Caboose]

  On 11/3/2015 at 2:19 AM, BFG said:

Rack was your biggest suspect yesterday. WHY?

 

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 1:39 AM, BFG said:

 

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  On 10/30/2015 at 3:00 PM, cory caboose said:

Rack how much have you actually read

 

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 3:05 PM, rackcitysteelers said:

 

 

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 3:15 PM, cory caboose said:

/snip

 

On phone at job site and lol if you think you have any authority over me anyway

 

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 3:41 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 3:18 PM, rackcitysteelers said:

That came out harsher than I meant it to but you get my point

There are better uses of my time. Period.

 

What are you going to flip rack?

 

 

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 3:43 PM, rackcitysteelers said:

/snip

 

Fair enough if you're too busy right now but if you really did say anything then it really wouldn't be that hard to pull up one quote when you've got some spare time.

 

And I'm town.

 

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 3:49 PM, cory caboose said:

Too hard to navigate pages on my phone

 

Looks like you should've read it yourself glgl

 

 

 

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  On 10/25/2015 at 11:36 AM, cory caboose said:

/snip

 

That post is exactly null for Clov and he could post it in either role regardless of Rack's alignment

 

 

  On 10/26/2015 at 1:07 AM, cory caboose said:

Honestly I think rack is kind of like dice with spellcheck

 

Someone like amegakure/tsukibana would work too

 

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:13 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:10 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

Rack is a wolf guys...

 

Wouldn't be shocked

 

 

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:53 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:34 PM, Nomi Sunrider said:

Oh that's right, Rack is from another forum, this is his first game here, just noticed from the sign-up thread. Am I interpreting that correctly, Cory? You seem to have met elsewhere. I have my suspicions but it just seems kinda rude to lynch Rack day one as our way of welcoming him here.

 

 

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Now taking bets this is why I die if Rack's guilty.

 

 

Rack is from WalterFootball, the origin of me and Clov.

 

 

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:58 PM, cory caboose said:

[v]Rack[/v]

 

CHOO CHOO

 

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 3:15 AM, cory caboose said:

You should be honored. JBC is a gentleman and scholar.

 

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 1:58 PM, cory caboose said:

I suggest we start picking out serious wagons today and moving on to players that are in the mix of "high equity wolves" and "not making any impact"

 

Rack/Pral probably contains at least one wolf and as much as I don't want to go through the Pral grinder again it doesn't necessarily make him a villager again

 

Rack is a bit harder to read but I've seen him be villagery as a villager before and in absence here you should understand exactly where that marks him

 

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 2:05 PM, cory caboose said:

From the hip:

 

Sili

Zander 

 

 

 

 

Taborline

Dice

Thane

 

 

Clov

 

 

Nomi

 

 

Shad

Yates

 

 

 

 

 

 

BFG

 

Lenlo

 

Sooh

 

 

Hallia

 

 

Pralaya

Rack

 

 

 

---

 

Still working through sorting the nulls, which is the new TROUBLE spot

 

I'm not confident enough to throw anyone in blue AORN and there's a definite gap in the null list but I think I would still be surprised if there was a wolf in the top 6. I would wager heavily there aren't > 1.

 

Pral's posts seems different to me than Ragnarok where I admittedly misread him but there's more posturing here than otherwise and more of a "making a case and leave" as opposed to the sort of little bits he was giving out. Just doesn't feel genuine to me.

 

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:16 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:14 PM, Sooh said:

This whole "I'm keeping my cards close to my chest" and "I'd rather they didn't know I was looking at them" thing, is that common for him as town?

 

It's common for WF players in either alignment

 

They don't like making reads

 

Rack can be a villagery villager but sometimes his ranges can get muddled

 

I would say he's well within his wolf range aorn

 

 

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 2:14 AM, cory caboose said:

Rack backing off Zander as everyone sort of figures out he's a villager is Rockeyebrowraise.gif worthy

 

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 3:38 PM, cory caboose said:

I'll just vig him tonight for my own peace of mind.

 

Rack/Nomi wagons don't feel terrible

 

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 5:20 PM, cory caboose said:

[v]Rack[/v]

 

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 11:20 PM, cory caboose said:

deadline closing in

 

rack >> pral >>>> nomi imo

 

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 11:26 AM, cory caboose said:

Nomi I think it's a dangerous dangerous assumption to believe that wolves are going to play well.

 

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 11:37 AM, cory caboose said:

I'm saying I have seen numerous games where villages have chosen to lynch villagers over wolves becase "player can't be a wolf, look how poorly he's played / he's not defending himself / he's not attacking anyone"

 

For the most part I'd argue low-impact slots are by nature a teensy bit > rand wolf in the first place.

 

But DM wolf culture has been so "lay low and hope no one notices" for so long and I know that doesn't apply to Rack but WF wolf culture is very very similar.

 

I just think it's incredibly dangerous to ever think "this guy is too incompetent to be a wolf, so I'll defend him" and is the sort of thing that causes extreme distractions for villagers down the road

 

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 11:45 AM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 11:41 AM, Nomi Sunrider said:

Also I don't think Rack's game is an example of an incompetent wolf, nor does he strike me as a player who would be.

I have pretty extensive experience with him, so I'm going to take my word for it over yours LDO

 

 

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:44 PM, cory caboose said:

Clov what do you think of Rack? Gun to head

 

 

First spoiler is the bit where Rack says that Cory has made no effort to address him, Cory tells him to read the thread.

 

 

Second spoiler is everything Cory said about Rack up to that conversation. At no point is anything addressed directly to Rack, I know he was quiet, bit Shad and Clov had a decent conversation with him. At no point does Cory really sound interested in reassessing Rack (up until the claim).

 

Why is Cory so aggressive in his response to Rack about what Cory had said to Rack up to that point?

 

I don't think I missed anything Cory said about Rack, but my tablet died and I lost the quotes and a more detailed analysis once already.

 

 

TRY READING THESE POSTS YOU LITERALLY JUST QUOTED.

[Zander?]

  On 11/2/2015 at 11:51 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 11:33 PM, Lenlo said:

I like how Clov has played. 

 

Lenlo confirmed town.

 

 

 

......this is sarcasm right??

 

am I having a Sheldon moment here???!!?!?!?!?!?

 

lmklmk

[BFG]

  On 11/3/2015 at 2:18 AM, cory caboose said:

Yates did.

:/

 

Then ignore him

 

The *absolute last thing I want to do is keep this going if you're town.

 

 

 

*almost absolute

[Cory Caboose]

Not worth it.

[Zander?]

  On 11/2/2015 at 11:57 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 11:46 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 11:18 PM, Lenlo said:

Wolves are Zander, and if Sooh flips scum like I suspect you. If Sooh doesnt flip scum I would have to say maybe BFG and Dice? I havnt thought that much about if Sooh flips town atm because if she does im not lasting long this game.

 

For Town I wanna say Clov, Yates though I could easily be biased there cause of his defense of me. Shad and Sili are up there to.

 

In the middle are Hallia and Tab. If you flip scum, id say Hallia is town. If you flip town then Hallia is probably scum because I dont remember a game where you were both town and this kinda attitude between you two ever happened. 

 

Is there something that you're separating these for, or is it a lack of good candidates with a Town!sooh?  Off the top of my head, there's no reason that Dice or BFG couldn't be mafia with Sooh (though I don't believe either are).

 

While I fully agree that Cory flipping mafia is enough to write Hallia off, I think you have a big logic gap regarding him flipping town.  I still don't know if I believe that Hallia would want to push Cory early if she's mafia - if at all.  I don't really remember this kind of interaction between the two of them, either, but them both being townies mean they have to feel one another out.  

 

Where are you IRT Thane?  I think he's the only person you've left off.

 

BFG/Dice, I am separating them for lack of good candidates for Town!Sooh. As I said, I havnt put much thought into if Sooh flips town cause I have basically put all my eggs into the Scum!Sooh/Scum!Zander basket. Tab could theoretically be one to, but Tab is the weakest of my reads in either direction.

 

For the Cory thing, as I said I just dont remember any previous games where they were like this and both town. If Cory flips town id probably defer to people who can read Hallia better cause she has consistently fooled old me.

 

For Thane, hes in the middle but while we were talking he was rising. I dont think hes scum anymore, but I just cant put him up in high town with you and Yates.

 

 

 

YET YOURE VOTING CORLANNA

 

PEOPLE COME ON NOW I SUCK AT MAFIA HOW THE HELL AM I THE ONLY ONE SEEING THIS CRAP???!!!

[Clovdyx]

  On 11/3/2015 at 2:22 AM, Zander said:

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 11:51 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 11:33 PM, Lenlo said:

I like how Clov has played. 

 

Lenlo confirmed town.

 

 

 

......this is sarcasm right??

 

am I having a Sheldon moment here???!!?!?!?!?!?

 

lmklmk

 

 

Well, it was a joke.  I wouldn't necessarily say sarcasm.

[Cory Caboose]

3) Sili

4) Thane

6) Shad

10) Zander 

15) BFG

16) Clov

 

These players are probably all villagers.

 

Just FYI.

[Zander?]

  On 11/2/2015 at 11:58 PM, Clovdyx said:

I mean, hell if I know.  I stopped reading the thread on the fourth day of D1.

 

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 11:59 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 11:58 PM, Clovdyx said:

I mean, hell if I know.  I stopped reading the thread on the fourth day of D1.

 

This was a joke, in case anybody couldn't tell.  I stopped reading during sign ups.

 

 

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

CHRIS GOAT

[Cory Caboose]

Not in order. If there's a wolf on that list it's Clov, but I would guess they are all villagers.

[BFG]

Whatever

[Clovdyx]

  On 11/3/2015 at 2:28 AM, cory caboose said:

Not in order. If there's a wolf on that list it's Clov, but I would guess they are all villagers.

 

watido

[Lenlo]

  On 11/3/2015 at 2:26 AM, Zander said:

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 11:57 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 11:46 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 11:18 PM, Lenlo said:

Wolves are Zander, and if Sooh flips scum like I suspect you. If Sooh doesnt flip scum I would have to say maybe BFG and Dice? I havnt thought that much about if Sooh flips town atm because if she does im not lasting long this game.

 

For Town I wanna say Clov, Yates though I could easily be biased there cause of his defense of me. Shad and Sili are up there to.

 

In the middle are Hallia and Tab. If you flip scum, id say Hallia is town. If you flip town then Hallia is probably scum because I dont remember a game where you were both town and this kinda attitude between you two ever happened. 

 

Is there something that you're separating these for, or is it a lack of good candidates with a Town!sooh?  Off the top of my head, there's no reason that Dice or BFG couldn't be mafia with Sooh (though I don't believe either are).

 

While I fully agree that Cory flipping mafia is enough to write Hallia off, I think you have a big logic gap regarding him flipping town.  I still don't know if I believe that Hallia would want to push Cory early if she's mafia - if at all.  I don't really remember this kind of interaction between the two of them, either, but them both being townies mean they have to feel one another out.  

 

Where are you IRT Thane?  I think he's the only person you've left off.

 

BFG/Dice, I am separating them for lack of good candidates for Town!Sooh. As I said, I havnt put much thought into if Sooh flips town cause I have basically put all my eggs into the Scum!Sooh/Scum!Zander basket. Tab could theoretically be one to, but Tab is the weakest of my reads in either direction.

 

For the Cory thing, as I said I just dont remember any previous games where they were like this and both town. If Cory flips town id probably defer to people who can read Hallia better cause she has consistently fooled old me.

 

For Thane, hes in the middle but while we were talking he was rising. I dont think hes scum anymore, but I just cant put him up in high town with you and Yates.

 

 

 

YET YOURE VOTING CORLANNA

 

PEOPLE COME ON NOW I SUCK AT MAFIA HOW THE HELL AM I THE ONLY ONE SEEING THIS CRAP???!!!

 

EXCEPT IM NOT YOU DONKEY. IM VOTING SOOH

[Cory Caboose]

2) Sooh

5) Hallia

7) Taborline

8) Lenlo

9) Yates

14) Dice

 

Is what's left.

Dice is probably my most likely villager of that pile by a good margin, but he's not as clear as he could be.

 

I don't think Sooh and Lenlo are ever w/w, looking back at their spat near the end of d1 which seems have been propelled into today.

 

There's a bit from Yates on d1 about Lenlo that actually makes me think they have slightly higher w/w equity than most. It's a joke he made that I think he's the type of guy to make exactly with a fellow wolf. If you know what it is, props to you.

[Clovdyx]

  On 11/3/2015 at 2:26 AM, Zander said:

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 11:57 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 11:46 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 11:18 PM, Lenlo said:

Wolves are Zander, and if Sooh flips scum like I suspect you. If Sooh doesnt flip scum I would have to say maybe BFG and Dice? I havnt thought that much about if Sooh flips town atm because if she does im not lasting long this game.

 

For Town I wanna say Clov, Yates though I could easily be biased there cause of his defense of me. Shad and Sili are up there to.

 

In the middle are Hallia and Tab. If you flip scum, id say Hallia is town. If you flip town then Hallia is probably scum because I dont remember a game where you were both town and this kinda attitude between you two ever happened. 

 

Is there something that you're separating these for, or is it a lack of good candidates with a Town!sooh?  Off the top of my head, there's no reason that Dice or BFG couldn't be mafia with Sooh (though I don't believe either are).

 

While I fully agree that Cory flipping mafia is enough to write Hallia off, I think you have a big logic gap regarding him flipping town.  I still don't know if I believe that Hallia would want to push Cory early if she's mafia - if at all.  I don't really remember this kind of interaction between the two of them, either, but them both being townies mean they have to feel one another out.  

 

Where are you IRT Thane?  I think he's the only person you've left off.

 

BFG/Dice, I am separating them for lack of good candidates for Town!Sooh. As I said, I havnt put much thought into if Sooh flips town cause I have basically put all my eggs into the Scum!Sooh/Scum!Zander basket. Tab could theoretically be one to, but Tab is the weakest of my reads in either direction.

 

For the Cory thing, as I said I just dont remember any previous games where they were like this and both town. If Cory flips town id probably defer to people who can read Hallia better cause she has consistently fooled old me.

 

For Thane, hes in the middle but while we were talking he was rising. I dont think hes scum anymore, but I just cant put him up in high town with you and Yates.

 

 

 

YET YOURE VOTING CORLANNA

 

PEOPLE COME ON NOW I SUCK AT MAFIA HOW THE HELL AM I THE ONLY ONE SEEING THIS CRAP???!!!

 

 

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 1:51 AM, Nolder said:

 

Votecount

Lenlo - Corlanna, Zander (2)

Corlanna - Yates, Hallia (2)

Sooh - Lenlo, Clov (2)

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: Wednesday 8PM PST.

 

 

[Lenlo]

Guess we know which of us two reads the thread and which skims for easy pickings...

[Cory Caboose]

  On 11/3/2015 at 2:28 AM, BFG said:

Whatever

 

All the whatevers in the world.

[Clovdyx]

  On 11/3/2015 at 2:30 AM, cory caboose said:

 

2) Sooh

5) Hallia

7) Taborline

8) Lenlo

9) Yates

14) Dice

 

Is what's left.

Dice is probably my most likely villager of that pile by a good margin, but he's not as clear as he could be.

 

I don't think Sooh and Lenlo are ever w/w, looking back at their spat near the end of d1 which seems have been propelled into today.

 

There's a bit from Yates on d1 about Lenlo that actually makes me think they have slightly higher w/w equity than most. It's a joke he made that I think he's the type of guy to make exactly with a fellow wolf. If you know what it is, props to you.

 

 

I'm not prepared to go this far, but I think it's an UNLIKELY pairing.  What do you think about the things I posted this morning from Sooh?  The way she sheeped BFG's read on you didn't fit at all with the things she was saying ~a day (IRL) ago, and she backtracked almost immediately for ??????? reasons, I guess.

[Cory Caboose]

See now I'm getting paranoid because the wolves have a golden opportunity to defend me and I can't see anything as it comes naturally because honestly I'm MORE wrong than typical when evaluating slots based on me talking to them because I have weird biases that cloud my judgment. I do much better when I can see things unfettered by my own hand, something I learned mentoring.

 

tl;dr - If Clov is a wolf I can do nothing about this game. I think he's a villager but I'm not in the spot where I could do anything about it if I didn't.

[Zander?]

  On 11/3/2015 at 12:03 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 12:02 AM, cory caboose said:

Clov you have three shots who do you shoot

 

LMK

 

You, me, and Shad.

 

 

 

i wish you would have said 2 bullets cause of my mad GIF game but imma still use them:

 

 

id shoot Lenlo twice...cause you know...

 

[Cory Caboose]

  On 11/3/2015 at 2:35 AM, Clovdyx said:

I'm not prepared to go this far, but I think it's an UNLIKELY pairing.  What do you think about the things I posted this morning from Sooh?  The way she sheeped BFG's read on you didn't fit at all with the things she was saying ~a day (IRL) ago, and she backtracked almost immediately for ??????? reasons, I guess.

 

She has SOME villagery moments on d1. I wouldn't be shocked if she were a wolf, but I'd rather lynch Lenlo today by a very fair margin.

[Cory Caboose]

I am prepared to go that far. I marked them off on my team sheet at some point late d1 level confident. My team sheet has never had an incorrect mark in the 20+ games I've been using it because I do not make marks lightly.

 

If you want to go into it and explain why I will, but only because it's you.

[Nolder]

Votecount

Lenlo - Corlanna, Zander (2)

Corlanna - Yates, Hallia (2)

Sooh - Lenlo, Clov (2)

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: Wednesday 8PM PST.

 

 

[Cory Caboose]

Please evaluate Yates further into the game.

 

I'm saying this specifically because I feel most of you won't.