Age of Legends [standard] Mafia - Game Over

[Nolder]

But, do agree with Nyn's point above. The votes on Kivam are in one case reactionary/vengeful and in Nolder's case not supported really. I don't like that, despite my reservations, and would not join those votes against someone producing high quality game content right now.

How do you agree with exactly what I said and then say my vote is unsupported?

[Calder]

You shouldn't encourage Zander. He gets attached and then when you leave, he ends up peeing on the furniture.

 

To late. I already decided we are going to be best friends.

[Zander?]

[unvote]

 

[v]Dice[/v]

 

for raisins???

 

 

Tbh I was sort of intrigued by Shad's initial response to my vote because I didn't actually have a reason for it. His explanation in misunderstanding that Calder isn't new was plausible at the least.

 

It is?

 

 

 

Hello.

 

Im Zander and I am once again in the favor of the Town Gods,

 

I am Town!!!

 

Time to hunt some wolves.

 

Goodbye 

 

 

Nyn I know that you secretly love me!!!

 

 

Hello Nyn. Fancy seeing you here.

 

Wanna kill all humans?

 

That's my ultimate master plan. But today I'm only playing mafia. 

 

 

Vouch

 

Am i that frightening of a pair with Zander (personality wise)?

 

 

 

 

 

Am i that frightening of a pair with Zander (personality wise)?

 

You don't seem that scary. Zander will be the ruin of us all.

 

 

Zander gonna Zander imo

 

 

 

 

Am i that frightening of a pair with Zander (personality wise)?

 

You don't seem that scary. Zander will be the ruin of us all.

Nah. I am friendly. Good guy to have at your back. Ask anyone.

 

 

Classy

 

Nyn on the prowl.

 

Yep.  No problem with Nyn thus far,

[Calder]

 

But, do agree with Nyn's point above. The votes on Kivam are in one case reactionary/vengeful and in Nolder's case not supported really. I don't like that, despite my reservations, and would not join those votes against someone producing high quality game content right now.

 

How do you agree with exactly what I said and then say my vote is unsupported?

Because i view my stance as unsupported as well. Its just a feeling of unease. That is not enough for me to vote against a player i see as high value if town.

[Zander?]

So like im only on page 12 but ill get there,,,,  But I just wanted to chat and say hi!!!

 

 

 

In full disclosure, Kiv is a lawyer. I felt like it needed to be said.

Makes sense. He writes with reasoning style that is lawyeresque. Also a certain dryness to his posts.

 

 

 

lololololololol

 

Oh I just meant he sounds slimy  lol

 

 

lolololololol

 

Nice to see Zander back. You have been missed.

 

I feel like we need to be Super-Friends

 

 

You shouldn't encourage Zander. He gets attached and then when you leave, he ends up peeing on the furniture. 

 

Nyn that happened once.....well twice but I was totally drunk.

 

 

 

You shouldn't encourage Zander. He gets attached and then when you leave, he ends up peeing on the furniture.

To late. I already decided we are going to be best friends.

 

 

Please see my above response to you.

[Nolder]

 

 

But, do agree with Nyn's point above. The votes on Kivam are in one case reactionary/vengeful and in Nolder's case not supported really. I don't like that, despite my reservations, and would not join those votes against someone producing high quality game content right now.

How do you agree with exactly what I said and then say my vote is unsupported?

Because i view my stance as unsupported as well. Its just a feeling of unease. That is not enough for me to vote against a player i see as high value if town.

 

I guess that makes more sense. You don't think it's enough to vote him over while I do.

 

Personally in a deadline game I feel you should always vote with your feelings since there's no consequence by not doing so.

It's not like the person will be accidentally hammered.

[Zander?]

 

@Shad

 

I am calling you out for the timing because you're claiming Calder is misrepping you by stating the order of events wrong. He is, in fact, not doing that. Because your reaction to him saying he didn't believe you was you quivering in your boots response. You only later expanded to Clov... I don't really care if it was 1 minute later, 10 minutes or 5 hours. Fact of the matter is you did wave it off with a defensive response INITIALLY.

 

As for me, I prolly tend to put more weight on initial reactions because I think they're a lot more telling than ones where a player has time to think it over. Your initial response was a bad one. If you had an explanation for your comment and thinking he was new, then I would expect you to just spell it out. Instead you just spazzed. I didn't care for it. Your question later on about what scum would do was obtuse. Didn't really care for that either. I also think Calder responded well... so I don't really get how he's not answering you.

 

Look at this BS post.  You are lying.

 

 

 

 

My sweaty fingers can barely complete the keystrokes necessary to relay this message.....

 

 

[v]Shad[/v]

 

lol

 

 

 

I could get behind what Calder is selling if he would just spell you're correctly.

 

That said, interesting non-reactions to my Thane vote. Nobody has a comment on that?

 

 

 

Supposing you are town, you are doing just what you're calling me out for.  Knee-jerk reaction.  I don't think #244 is scummy but the argument doesn't lead to scum tells.  When people get called out blatantly like that they get aggressive.

 

What was blatant about it?  He just said he didn't believe you. So what?

 

 

 

 

 

Supposing you are town, you are doing just what you're calling me out for.  Knee-jerk reaction.  I don't think #244 is scummy but the argument doesn't lead to scum tells.  When people get called out blatantly like that they get aggressive.

 

What was blatant about it?  He just said he didn't believe you. So what?

 

 

"I don't believe you" and "I think you're lying" mean the same thing.  >_>

 

 

 

 

 

 

Supposing you are town, you are doing just what you're calling me out for.  Knee-jerk reaction.  I don't think #244 is scummy but the argument doesn't lead to scum tells.  When people get called out blatantly like that they get aggressive.

 

What was blatant about it?  He just said he didn't believe you. So what?

 

 

"I don't believe you" and "I think you're lying" mean the same thing.  >_>

 

 

So? One player doesn't believe you....... I legit can't believe we're having this conversation.... lol

 

 

Im sorry for posting this but reading it made me happy....i dont really know why....oh wait i do:

 

First because Nyn isn't picking on me

 

Second pretty sure Shad is a wolf

[Calder]

 

 

 

But, do agree with Nyn's point above. The votes on Kivam are in one case reactionary/vengeful and in Nolder's case not supported really. I don't like that, despite my reservations, and would not join those votes against someone producing high quality game content right now.

 

How do you agree with exactly what I said and then say my vote is unsupported?

Because i view my stance as unsupported as well. Its just a feeling of unease. That is not enough for me to vote against a player i see as high value if town.

I guess that makes more sense. You don't think it's enough to vote him over while I do.

 

Personally in a deadline game I feel you should always vote with your feelings since there's no consequence by not doing so.

It's not like the person will be accidentally hammered.

I am voting with me feelings in that i do not trust Shad either. I also think his lynch provides prob the most insight on people's day one stances.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

Supposing you are town, you are doing just what you're calling me out for.  Knee-jerk reaction.  I don't think #244 is scummy but the argument doesn't lead to scum tells.  When people get called out blatantly like that they get aggressive.

 

What was blatant about it?  He just said he didn't believe you. So what?

 

 

"I don't believe you" and "I think you're lying" mean the same thing.  >_>

 

 

So? One player doesn't believe you....... I legit can't believe we're having this conversation.... lol

 

 

You asked what was blatant about it.  I explained.  The fact that one player doesn't believe me is totally besides the point here.  Calder called me a liar and I made a knee-jerk reaction.  You took that to be scummy.  So I called you a liar and you made a knee-jerk reaction.  It's a natural thing to do regardless of alignment.  This is my point.

 

 

 

Here's the difference. Your knee jerk reaction does not make sense because it was an overreaction over basically nothing. Where's I haven't liked much of your content and said as much since I caught up.... you putting a stop to our exchange by basically calling my post BS.....  means we have nothing further to discuss.

 

This is my point.

 

 

Lol at saying Nyn made a knee jerk reaction after pages of questioning. Real knee-jerk haha.

 

 

I think what bugs me most right now is that you're not owning up to what you're doing. If you've been transparent about the whole thing and went like... my bad.... I did overreact... or, my bad... the sequence of events is not how I thought...... but you keep digging and you're reaching. This new 'He called me a liar, boo hoo'.... is particularly mind numbing.

 

 

I also laughed when you asked me if I was seriously making a ten minutes distinctions between posts. It's an amusing question because you went off using timing to build a case on Calder... but when I use the actual timing to show that you're wrong.... you get all 'Seriously??'  

 

so like [v] Shad [/v]

[Zander?]

If i was a marriage counselor i would use this thread as an example of failed communication.

[Zander?]

 

 

I could get behind what Calder is selling if he would just spell you're correctly.

 

That said, interesting non-reactions to my Thane vote. Nobody has a comment on that?

 

I choose to tune you out, personally.  

 

 

Probably wise.

 

*sobs quietly in the corner*

 

 

 

poor Kiv!!!

 

 

Kivam

Nolder

Calder

AJ

 

Zander

Hallia

Dice

 

Shad

Laine

Crusher

 

Clov

Nyn

Thane

 

Current reads list.

 

Yes, I'm aware that Clov was my peek.

 

Prolly GOAT read list...................................................................................(insert sarcasm here)............................................................................................

 

lolololololol

 

Kiv prolly town fwiw dont see Mafia!Anyone posting this list

 

 

 

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

 

You're f---ing town, aren't you?

 

 

*facepalm.gif*

 

 

Cross my fingers that Clov is town and let him weigh in on you?  Has anyone else here played with you before?  I think you are scum.  I don't see how this level of disconnect that conveniently leads to an accusation about me in every post can come from anything else, but it's also blurred my vision a good bit.  I'm going to work for a while and try to reread you with a level head tonight.

 

 

Shad,,,,you know whats coming right....lol.....lololol.....lolololololololol.....lololololololololololol.....you get it.

[Nolder]

 

 

 

 

But, do agree with Nyn's point above. The votes on Kivam are in one case reactionary/vengeful and in Nolder's case not supported really. I don't like that, despite my reservations, and would not join those votes against someone producing high quality game content right now.

How do you agree with exactly what I said and then say my vote is unsupported?

Because i view my stance as unsupported as well. Its just a feeling of unease. That is not enough for me to vote against a player i see as high value if town.

I guess that makes more sense. You don't think it's enough to vote him over while I do.

 

Personally in a deadline game I feel you should always vote with your feelings since there's no consequence by not doing so.

It's not like the person will be accidentally hammered.

I am voting with me feelings in that i do not trust Shad either. I also think his lynch provides prob the most insight on people's day one stances.

 

Reading your guys fight makes me think Shad is frustrated town.

[Shad_]

 

 

Hello.

 

Im Zander and I am once again in the favor of the Town Gods,

 

I am Town!!!

 

Time to hunt some wolves.

 

Hi Zander!  Laine's going to be kind of inactive.  Who will you be wrecking towns with?

 

 

im not fully caught up but this is just gross Shad.  I know you may say its a joke from Belicheat or a reaction gauge or something but it seems to be like your just trying  to throw dirt and see where it sticks..

 

FWIW- you picked the wrong target this game Shad, Im finally Town again and Im not getting mislynched.

 

GLGL

 

 

I'mma go ahead and call BS on this one.  Your catch-up on me overall has been very.... Zander--I find it disorganized/don't really understand why the particular posts you quote bother you from your perspective, but that can be null.  This post is a problem.  The main thing that kept me from laying into you hard in Belichick before you NK'd me was the sort of rabid defensiveness you displayed any time I hinted that I might be sussing you, and I was kicking myself for it before DT ever got spoiled.

 

This post takes overreaction to its limit.  It's hyper-defensive in response to a post that town!Zander lolololols at like 90% of the time and it just happens to conveniently portray me as unfairly targeting you in the process.  I don't believe that you would interpret it as anything but a joke unless you had something to hide.

 

And no, it was not a reaction gauge, but I am gauging your reaction now and it smells like .

[Kivam]

 

 

I didn't think it was that bad. Crusher was being put under pressure to give some game content and he jumped at something right in front of his face. It was lazy play, just the kind of thing I'd expect from Crusher in this situation. He saw someone making a case and latched onto it.

 

As for the question "why would scum do X?" normally I avoid it since it's just WIFOM but I feel pretty confident in saying IF Kivam is mafia and IF it was his intent to get someone lynched through his actions he may have thought that this was a good bargain. Get Crusher lynched and possibly pocket you in one move? Yeah that's a good deal.

 

 

Again...it bothers me that you keep speaking under the assumption that Crusher is town... while you have him as null. I mean, yes, Crusher could be lazy town. But he could also opportunistic scum. I find it odd that you're pushing the lazy town option.... while hedging on him in your read list and having him as null. If Crusher is null to you, then the two options should be reasonable to you and you've yet to decide which of them it is. And yet here you are going on about how scum would want to get rid of Crusher early... and how this is the lazy play you expect of Crusher as a townie..... and you're going after Kiv for it.

 

Is there anything else about Kivam that bothers you? Cause all you've mentioned (from what I can tell) is the trap deal. But he offered a lot more content than just that.

 

Well I am under the assumption that Kiv is mafia right now...and mafia wouldn't be trying to lynch mafia hence the assumption Crusher is town. Based on his own performance Crusher doesn't look town yet which is why I have him as null. Does that make sense now?

 

No there's nothing else. What stood out at first were your reactions but the longer it went on the more I disliked what Kiv was saying/doing and then all of a sudden he's like lol it's just a trap and I caught Crusher which idk. It looked like a tactical retreat to me.

 

 

Your assumption is that if I'm mafia, I wouldn't be trying to lynch a teammate?  And you're asking if that makes sense?

 

Imma let someone else answer that.

 

 

[Zander?]

We can go to the other room and be... quiet... together.

 

 

Nyn's such a romantic

 

 

Honestly at this point I kinda hate your read list. But you have elaborated on the reasons, which is fair enough. I don't necessarily agree with your impressions, but that's hardly the point. It'll do for now. I really don't appreciate how you've tried to sort of mute me out. Though it could be my general annoyance at it, because I've tried to stay current and be around for interaction... and I think it's ****ing rude to dismiss me that way, but w/e. Plenty of other players to talk to.

 

 

 

 

Honestly at this point I kinda hate your read list. But you have elaborated on the reasons, which is fair enough. I don't necessarily agree with your impressions, but that's hardly the point. It'll do for now. I really don't appreciate how you've tried to sort of mute me out. Though it could be my general annoyance at it, because I've tried to stay current and be around for interaction... and I think it's ****ing rude to dismiss me that way, but w/e. Plenty of other players to talk to.

??

 

 

I was around talking..... and you were like.... can we hear from someone else.

 

On one hand, sure, I agree with you that that are way too many players being quiet right now and that should change asap. On the other it was very dismissive cause it sounded like you pretty much wanted me to shut up.

 

 

 

I havent played a lot with Nyn so somone correct me if im wrong but Nyn's reaction feels pretty genuine to me.  I leaning town with Nyn,

 

(Sits on couch, pulls out notepad, and pen)

 

Kivam how does it make you feel when Nyn asserts that your dismissive of her?

[Nynaeve]

Your assumption is that if I'm mafia, I wouldn't be trying to lynch a teammate?  And you're asking if that makes sense?

 

Imma let someone else answer that.

 

90% of my contribution in the last game I was scum, was trying to lynch my own teammate lol  (ie you :P)

[Kivam]

Null to town. Light green. Kivam falls into this pile. Not ready to put him in the greens yet cause he pissed me off and I keep grudges     But I've been wrecking my brain about it and I think his actions are coming from a townie mindset. I think what I need to seal him as a green is Crusher's flip.

 

You're making the same mistake Nolder is.  You know me well enough to know that I'd have absolutely no problem at all aggressively leading a lynch on a teammate, including on D1.  I'm actually a townie this game, so the mistake is to the town's benefit (correctly clearing me for a bad reason is as +ev this game as correctly clearing me for the right reason, the same way lynching me for a bad reason when I'm scum is as +ev for town as lynching me for a good reason), but why would you approach me this way?

[Calder]

 

 

 

 

 

But, do agree with Nyn's point above. The votes on Kivam are in one case reactionary/vengeful and in Nolder's case not supported really. I don't like that, despite my reservations, and would not join those votes against someone producing high quality game content right now.

 

How do you agree with exactly what I said and then say my vote is unsupported?

Because i view my stance as unsupported as well. Its just a feeling of unease. That is not enough for me to vote against a player i see as high value if town.

I guess that makes more sense. You don't think it's enough to vote him over while I do.

 

Personally in a deadline game I feel you should always vote with your feelings since there's no consequence by not doing so.

It's not like the person will be accidentally hammered.

I am voting with me feelings in that i do not trust Shad either. I also think his lynch provides prob the most insight on people's day one stances.

Reading your guys fight makes me think Shad is frustrated town.

It is possible that he is of course. But, I don't feel swayed to shift off him considering his missteps and no other extremely attractive options.

[Kivam]

 

In full disclosure, Kiv is a lawyer. I felt like it needed to be said.

Makes sense. He writes with reasoning style that is lawyeresque. Also a certain dryness to his posts.

 

 

 

Oh I just meant he sounds slimy  lol

 

RL LOL

[Kivam]

It is possible that he is of course. But, I don't feel swayed to shift off him considering his missteps and no other extremely attractive options.

 

Waitwaitwait ... I'm the dry one?

[Shad_]

#143 Shad, do you think Calder being sure you are mafia and not allowing for a town alternative is motivated by town or mafia thinking?

Mafia thinking.  At least, it's the opposite of how I town and one of the big things I look for in general.  Town beat someone down to improve their read.  Scum do it to convince the village that their target is worth lynching.  When I feel that a push does not lend itself to null/town conclusions no matter what the target responds with, that's a huge red flag for me.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Hello.

 

Im Zander and I am once again in the favor of the Town Gods,

 

I am Town!!!

 

Time to hunt some wolves.

 

Hi Zander!  Laine's going to be kind of inactive.  Who will you be wrecking towns with?

 

 

im not fully caught up but this is just gross Shad.  I know you may say its a joke from Belicheat or a reaction gauge or something but it seems to be like your just trying  to throw dirt and see where it sticks..

 

FWIW- you picked the wrong target this game Shad, Im finally Town again and Im not getting mislynched.

 

GLGL

 

 

I'mma go ahead and call BS on this one.  Your catch-up on me overall has been very.... Zander--I find it disorganized/don't really understand why the particular posts you quote bother you from your perspective, but that can be null.  This post is a problem.  The main thing that kept me from laying into you hard in Belichick before you NK'd me was the sort of rabid defensiveness you displayed any time I hinted that I might be sussing you, and I was kicking myself for it before DT ever got spoiled.

 

This post takes overreaction to its limit.  It's hyper-defensive in response to a post that town!Zander lolololols at like 90% of the time and it just happens to conveniently portray me as unfairly targeting you in the process.  I don't believe that you would interpret it as anything but a joke unless you had something to hide.

 

And no, it was not a reaction gauge, but I am gauging your reaction now and it smells like .

 

 

so im over reacting and hyper defensive but you're not for suss'ing me for suss'ing you like you started suss'ing Nyn and Calder for suss'ing you.

 

 

i see you miss the so ill throw some in for ya..

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!

[Calder]

 

It is possible that he is of course. But, I don't feel swayed to shift off him considering his missteps and no other extremely attractive options.

 

 

Waitwaitwait ... I'm the dry one?

You post like your a college professor whose syllabus requires that you buy "his" textbook.

[Nynaeve]

 

Null to town. Light green. Kivam falls into this pile. Not ready to put him in the greens yet cause he pissed me off and I keep grudges     But I've been wrecking my brain about it and I think his actions are coming from a townie mindset. I think what I need to seal him as a green is Crusher's flip.

 

You're making the same mistake Nolder is.  You know me well enough to know that I'd have absolutely no problem at all aggressively leading a lynch on a teammate, including on D1.  I'm actually a townie this game, so the mistake is to the town's benefit (correctly clearing me for a bad reason is as +ev this game as correctly clearing me for the right reason, the same way lynching me for a bad reason when I'm scum is as +ev for town as lynching me for a good reason), but why would you approach me this way?

 

 

I think you misunderstand. I'm not saying you are incapable of pushing a teammate. You are more than capable of doing that. So am I. 

 

Nolder assumes you're scum for a pretty thin reason. And by extension he thinks Crusher is town. Which, like you said, is a mistake because it could just be distancing.

 

As for me, I'm not saying I'm leaning town on you because I'm scum reading Crusher, and I wouldn't expect you to push him as his teammate. My reason is that I think you had a very real opening to manipulate the situation into pushing me further. Instead you sprung a trap on Crusher, who imo was pretty terrib when he rushed in. That's more indicative of you actually doing this for reaction and actively scumhunting. vs. what Nolder thinks. And yes, seeing Crusher's flip would make me more comfortable with you... but it's not the reason for the lean, if that makes sense.

[Shad_]

 

 

 

 

Hello.

 

Im Zander and I am once again in the favor of the Town Gods,

 

I am Town!!!

 

Time to hunt some wolves.

 

Hi Zander!  Laine's going to be kind of inactive.  Who will you be wrecking towns with?

 

 

im not fully caught up but this is just gross Shad.  I know you may say its a joke from Belicheat or a reaction gauge or something but it seems to be like your just trying  to throw dirt and see where it sticks..

 

FWIW- you picked the wrong target this game Shad, Im finally Town again and Im not getting mislynched.

 

GLGL

 

 

I'mma go ahead and call BS on this one.  Your catch-up on me overall has been very.... Zander--I find it disorganized/don't really understand why the particular posts you quote bother you from your perspective, but that can be null.  This post is a problem.  The main thing that kept me from laying into you hard in Belichick before you NK'd me was the sort of rabid defensiveness you displayed any time I hinted that I might be sussing you, and I was kicking myself for it before DT ever got spoiled.

 

This post takes overreaction to its limit.  It's hyper-defensive in response to a post that town!Zander lolololols at like 90% of the time and it just happens to conveniently portray me as unfairly targeting you in the process.  I don't believe that you would interpret it as anything but a joke unless you had something to hide.

 

And no, it was not a reaction gauge, but I am gauging your reaction now and it smells like .

 

 

so im over reacting and hyper defensive but you're not for suss'ing me for suss'ing you like you started suss'ing Nyn and Calder for suss'ing you.

 

 

i see you miss the so ill throw some in for ya..

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!

 

 

Nyn is arguably my top town right now.  You just ISO'd me like ten minutes ago so you should know that.  And I'm not sure what about calling you a wolf suggests that I am not suspicious of you.  >_>