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alannalynn · September 11, 2015

Laine, you said you'd comment more thoroughly to my ISO but you never did....

That's because i was waiting for last night when I would have the time and went to bed early because I was tired intending to wake up early and instead overslept. If you're going to lynch me because of that just do it. But you're not going to find scum.

Shad_ · September 11, 2015

You're allowed to all vote Nolder without me btw. It's entirely possible that I'm wrong.

Zander? · September 11, 2015

Beginning of my ISO on Laine:

#103 -- Skimmed through, feeling town on Clov, no other real thoughts yet. My first fight with Calder was well under way at this point.

#113 -- The AJ FOS. Here was my take on the whole thing from before:

-snip-

1) I'm not actually playing, that's probably what's sketching you out. I'm gonna pull a Crusher and float until endgame on jokes

-snip-

2) re: 132 on Clov's reaction to me FOSing Andrej.. idk I didn't really expect him to jump in and call out my FOS on Andrej's meta with such a post.

3)

On the note of me being preachy and helpful, I talked early game strat in Belicheat where Laine was a wolf so she definitely knows at the least I would do it as town.

Sort of bugged how she threw mud then backed off immediately when the accusation wasn't even an accurate one.

You realize I wasn't serious, right?

I'm personally a tad bit... idk curious(?) about this post being 30 minutes after your initial post saying I'm "sketching you out". I'm not sure if it's the wording, or the time frame (ie you bringing it back up to keep me in the spotlight) or what. I can't say it's anything I'm overly bothered about and maybe the feeling will pass in the morning.

1) I wouldn't count on it, chica

2) Except your meta on me wasn't even correct. You've seen me do it as both alignments so characterizing it only as part of a scum game isn't accurate. Weren't you joking anyway?

3) No, otherwise I wouldn't have brought it up again. What does the timing have to do with anything? I was mulling over what I thought about you and realized I had done so recently in a game as town and thought that you should be aware of that. It's sort of my job to bring stuff to the spotlight that I find inaccurate or false - so I don't see the point there either. Do you expect me to let you falsely represent me and NOT say anything about it?

I guess because I didn't take Laine's FOS post seriously I thought it a bit sketchy that AJ did and eventually reached a wtl on her. Rereading I can't really hate AJ here. Red crossed my mind too. And for me it's not a feeling that Laine tried to push AJ and backed away when it failed. I do believe it was a joke. It's how Laine dealt with being questioned about it that comes off kind of weird.

The fact he's being helpful means ~nothing towards his alignment. AJ is a very good player so I don't think he's incapable of making that post as mafia at all. I think Mafia!AJ would probably WANT a bunch of early fakepeeks, since they (theoretically) would have a lower likeliness of being accurate and that helps narrow the NK poe, but I don't think he's going to come in and recommend it - especially when a handful of us recently played with him in the same setup when he waited to post a peek for accuracy reasons. He was town, and I'm positive he's smart enough to know the sudden change of heart would stand out.

That being said, I don't see how it would ever warrant a FoS. I'm giving him 0 towncred for trying to be helpful, but I don't see a reasonable argument why anybody would suspect him for being mafia for it.

This. I'm assuming that was a joke post from Laine, because otherwise the thoughtprocess of "only scum AJ tries to be helpful" would make no sense at all.

ding ding ding! Though I have told Andrej he comes off very helpful townie as mafia before. He's also an overall nice guy.. so not really alignment indicative *shrug* His wolf doesn't show this early anyways lol and I'd be the biggest fool to think I could read, well, pretty much anyone ever.

AJ left this part of the post out, but red feels awkward to me.

Andrej being helpful townie and preaching. Fos

I take this back reading in context. Andrej looking good ITT

And then this, I don't know what there is to "take back". Laine had been characterizing it as a joke.

I'll grant that she made a joke. It didn't come off well. The problem about the whole thing is that once she took some heat for it she started waffling in whether she should continue to treat it as a joke or roll with 'it was a serious suss but I changed my mind'.

I don't know if it all should really bother me or if this is just nitpicking. At any rate I don't feel bad about AJ sussing her at this point. Laine, thoughts?

~~Overall it doesn't bother me. Felt maaaaybe a little too nervous about being sussed early, but at the same time I can understand going wtf when you make a joke and all of a sudden people are pointing fingers at you. "His wolf doesn't show this early anyways lol and I'd be the biggest fool to think I could read, well, pretty much anyone ever." is super awkward.

~~It ends with the "I'm going to be a little bothered that it was so easy for mafia to sit back in this exchange and let it happen" statement, condition being if Shad flips town. I think this really is a bit of a problem. I don't see how Laine's mind gets there when she's sussing Calder.

#174 -- Doesn't want to be a mislynch candidate. (1)

#176 -- Not planning to get mislynched any time soon. (2)

#435 -- Annoyed by Nolder's placeholder vote. ~~Understandable. Nolder clarified 'placeholder' for me correctly so it's not a point against either of them.

#479 -- Notices she's at the bottom of some POEs. Needs to fix that. (3?)

#483 -- Worried about Zander's lack of activity ~~understandable

#501 -- Not sure if Nolder ever explained his scum read of Kiv. (He did.)

#510 -- big catch-up here:

To "Too easy probably, but it crossed my mind." she says "This post really pinged me when I read it and the followup is "meh"...." ~~Should I be concerned she didn't say anything like "nervous about Shad" in #103?

Thinks Calder doesn't make much sense but at the same time she's a little uncomfortable that I would miss something obvious. Agrees that me "dodging posts" was bad but might not be scummy.

Thinks I'm being defensive.

Worried that Clov is town reading Calder already, agrees that Shad doesn't look great.

Asks me and Calder productive questions.

"interesting from Zander: this would destroy the credibility that Shad just missed the Calder-talk" and "from Shad... I think I would like this post better if you straight up answered the accusation instead of brushing it off again. You're a little sloppy this game" irt Zander noting I'd made 7 posts in the sign-up thread so I should have known about Calder. ~~I'm a little bugged by this one. I said I hadn't caught up before I started posting in sign-up (Calder's posts came well before mine if anyone bothered to check) and went on to give Zander a town lean for his actions. Laine's sort of ignoring that and sussing me for dodging posts again.

Concludes Zander, Clov, AJ town, Calder and Shad questionable, notes that in PF her gut on me said scum but my content indicated town, here it's the opposite.

~~Overall I think this is a pretty solid catch-up. Laine missed some things, but I know from PF that when she's really tired/pressed for time that can happen. I know from Belichick that Laine can ask some pretty intelligent questions as scum.

#600 -- Thinks my push on Calder is defensive. Wants to know who I'm sussing besides Calder. ~~I don't get it at all but AJ thought the same thing. Bit bewildering but if one town who knows my meta thought that then I suppose two could.

#615 -- Mentions how obv town Thane was in PF

#624 -- Tries to engage Calder

#637 -- "I don't know how to play this stupid game anyways" ~~another one of these goofy tack-ons at the end of her post, similar to "I'd be the biggest fool to think I could read, well, pretty much anyone ever." I don't know, they strike me as forced.

#640 -- "Calder... there's only like 13 players. And you only really have to keep up with 12 apart from yourself. Who did you think I was, some random posting on the thread? I feel so unloved. Thanks." ~~A little forced maybe?

#826 -- Working on her read of me, seems to be drawing town conclusions, disagrees with AJ's argument that I know Crusher is town. ~~Can't hate this. I thought before she made a hard switch from scum to town on me, but this looks like she's developing it more carefully.

#833 -- Reads list, has Hallia and Crusher near the bottom with Calder, Nolder, and Thane. She doesn't explain everything but what she says makes sense. ~~Both scum in her D1 scum pile? Looking like town!Laine here.

#840 -- Responds to my TMI callout saying there are three scum in the game, so at least some of them were sitting back and letting the Shad/Calder fight do its thing. ~~umm... ok, don't know if that leaves me feeling any better.

#845 -- Talks about Calder. She's consistant with previous statements here.

Looking good where I left off. Things of note are possible TMI, defensiveness (I was going to count all the I'm not getting lynched style posts. A few of them came as overreactions), and lack of activity today. Because let's face it, if Laine or Nolder are scum they have zero motivation to keep trying (more town points for Nolder, that). I was also really bothered by EoD1 when she was acting like she couldn't make up her mind between me and Crusher. It felt like she was digging for an excuse to vote me and only jumped on Crush when she couldn't find one. Because based on her reads and statements pre-Clov test, Crush was very, very obviously the correct person for her to vote between us. I hated her sussing Thane D2 for not voting when Thane accomplished two consecutive no lynch days in PF as town. HATED IT. And it really irritated me that she was AtEing at me during the D1 showdown. The whole "AND I WAS TOWN IN THAT GAME, WASN'T I SHAD" as if anyone was sussing her. It was overreactive.

Unfortunately I didn't get to any of that yet in my ISO.

[v]Laine[/v]

Kivam second. Nolder third. He's town.

Shad, reading this, it feels like you've already decided I'm scum.

Nope. I've already decided you or Kivam are scum.

we go either way here Alanna or Kiv but we AGREE now to go the with the other tomorrow/??!!!

BFG · September 11, 2015

Official VC 4.12

Nolder (2): Laine, Nyn

Laine (4): Nolder, Shad, Thane, Kivam

Kiv (1): Zander

Every time I think Nyn or Kiv or whoever goes off the rails they pull it back lol.

Ok I think I'm going to lock in my vote now since it's really a toss up anyway. Hopefully this is right.

[v]Alanna[/v]

Official VC 4.8

Nolder (1): Thane

Kivam (1): Kivam

Not voting (5): Layne, Nolder, Nyn, Zander, Shad

Why am I not voting yet? lol

[v]Nolder[/v]

[v]Nolder[/v]

Carai an Caldazar!

#Nyngeekingout

Beginning of my ISO on Laine:

#103 -- Skimmed through, feeling town on Clov, no other real thoughts yet. My first fight with Calder was well under way at this point.

#113 -- The AJ FOS. Here was my take on the whole thing from before:

-snip-

1) I'm not actually playing, that's probably what's sketching you out. I'm gonna pull a Crusher and float until endgame on jokes

-snip-

2) re: 132 on Clov's reaction to me FOSing Andrej.. idk I didn't really expect him to jump in and call out my FOS on Andrej's meta with such a post.

3)

On the note of me being preachy and helpful, I talked early game strat in Belicheat where Laine was a wolf so she definitely knows at the least I would do it as town.

Sort of bugged how she threw mud then backed off immediately when the accusation wasn't even an accurate one.

You realize I wasn't serious, right?

I'm personally a tad bit... idk curious(?) about this post being 30 minutes after your initial post saying I'm "sketching you out". I'm not sure if it's the wording, or the time frame (ie you bringing it back up to keep me in the spotlight) or what. I can't say it's anything I'm overly bothered about and maybe the feeling will pass in the morning.

1) I wouldn't count on it, chica

2) Except your meta on me wasn't even correct. You've seen me do it as both alignments so characterizing it only as part of a scum game isn't accurate. Weren't you joking anyway?

3) No, otherwise I wouldn't have brought it up again. What does the timing have to do with anything? I was mulling over what I thought about you and realized I had done so recently in a game as town and thought that you should be aware of that. It's sort of my job to bring stuff to the spotlight that I find inaccurate or false - so I don't see the point there either. Do you expect me to let you falsely represent me and NOT say anything about it?

I guess because I didn't take Laine's FOS post seriously I thought it a bit sketchy that AJ did and eventually reached a wtl on her. Rereading I can't really hate AJ here. Red crossed my mind too. And for me it's not a feeling that Laine tried to push AJ and backed away when it failed. I do believe it was a joke. It's how Laine dealt with being questioned about it that comes off kind of weird.

The fact he's being helpful means ~nothing towards his alignment. AJ is a very good player so I don't think he's incapable of making that post as mafia at all. I think Mafia!AJ would probably WANT a bunch of early fakepeeks, since they (theoretically) would have a lower likeliness of being accurate and that helps narrow the NK poe, but I don't think he's going to come in and recommend it - especially when a handful of us recently played with him in the same setup when he waited to post a peek for accuracy reasons. He was town, and I'm positive he's smart enough to know the sudden change of heart would stand out.

That being said, I don't see how it would ever warrant a FoS. I'm giving him 0 towncred for trying to be helpful, but I don't see a reasonable argument why anybody would suspect him for being mafia for it.

This. I'm assuming that was a joke post from Laine, because otherwise the thoughtprocess of "only scum AJ tries to be helpful" would make no sense at all.

ding ding ding! Though I have told Andrej he comes off very helpful townie as mafia before. He's also an overall nice guy.. so not really alignment indicative *shrug* His wolf doesn't show this early anyways lol and I'd be the biggest fool to think I could read, well, pretty much anyone ever.

AJ left this part of the post out, but red feels awkward to me.

Andrej being helpful townie and preaching. Fos

I take this back reading in context. Andrej looking good ITT

And then this, I don't know what there is to "take back". Laine had been characterizing it as a joke.

I'll grant that she made a joke. It didn't come off well. The problem about the whole thing is that once she took some heat for it she started waffling in whether she should continue to treat it as a joke or roll with 'it was a serious suss but I changed my mind'.

I don't know if it all should really bother me or if this is just nitpicking. At any rate I don't feel bad about AJ sussing her at this point. Laine, thoughts?

~~Overall it doesn't bother me. Felt maaaaybe a little too nervous about being sussed early, but at the same time I can understand going wtf when you make a joke and all of a sudden people are pointing fingers at you. "His wolf doesn't show this early anyways lol and I'd be the biggest fool to think I could read, well, pretty much anyone ever." is super awkward.

~~It ends with the "I'm going to be a little bothered that it was so easy for mafia to sit back in this exchange and let it happen" statement, condition being if Shad flips town. I think this really is a bit of a problem. I don't see how Laine's mind gets there when she's sussing Calder.

#174 -- Doesn't want to be a mislynch candidate. (1)

#176 -- Not planning to get mislynched any time soon. (2)

#435 -- Annoyed by Nolder's placeholder vote. ~~Understandable. Nolder clarified 'placeholder' for me correctly so it's not a point against either of them.

#479 -- Notices she's at the bottom of some POEs. Needs to fix that. (3?)

#483 -- Worried about Zander's lack of activity ~~understandable

#501 -- Not sure if Nolder ever explained his scum read of Kiv. (He did.)

#510 -- big catch-up here:

To "Too easy probably, but it crossed my mind." she says "This post really pinged me when I read it and the followup is "meh"...." ~~Should I be concerned she didn't say anything like "nervous about Shad" in #103?

Thinks Calder doesn't make much sense but at the same time she's a little uncomfortable that I would miss something obvious. Agrees that me "dodging posts" was bad but might not be scummy.

Thinks I'm being defensive.

Worried that Clov is town reading Calder already, agrees that Shad doesn't look great.

Asks me and Calder productive questions.

"interesting from Zander: this would destroy the credibility that Shad just missed the Calder-talk" and "from Shad... I think I would like this post better if you straight up answered the accusation instead of brushing it off again. You're a little sloppy this game" irt Zander noting I'd made 7 posts in the sign-up thread so I should have known about Calder. ~~I'm a little bugged by this one. I said I hadn't caught up before I started posting in sign-up (Calder's posts came well before mine if anyone bothered to check) and went on to give Zander a town lean for his actions. Laine's sort of ignoring that and sussing me for dodging posts again.

Concludes Zander, Clov, AJ town, Calder and Shad questionable, notes that in PF her gut on me said scum but my content indicated town, here it's the opposite.

~~Overall I think this is a pretty solid catch-up. Laine missed some things, but I know from PF that when she's really tired/pressed for time that can happen. I know from Belichick that Laine can ask some pretty intelligent questions as scum.

#600 -- Thinks my push on Calder is defensive. Wants to know who I'm sussing besides Calder. ~~I don't get it at all but AJ thought the same thing. Bit bewildering but if one town who knows my meta thought that then I suppose two could.

#615 -- Mentions how obv town Thane was in PF

#624 -- Tries to engage Calder

#637 -- "I don't know how to play this stupid game anyways" ~~another one of these goofy tack-ons at the end of her post, similar to "I'd be the biggest fool to think I could read, well, pretty much anyone ever." I don't know, they strike me as forced.

#640 -- "Calder... there's only like 13 players. And you only really have to keep up with 12 apart from yourself. Who did you think I was, some random posting on the thread? I feel so unloved. Thanks." ~~A little forced maybe?

#826 -- Working on her read of me, seems to be drawing town conclusions, disagrees with AJ's argument that I know Crusher is town. ~~Can't hate this. I thought before she made a hard switch from scum to town on me, but this looks like she's developing it more carefully.

#833 -- Reads list, has Hallia and Crusher near the bottom with Calder, Nolder, and Thane. She doesn't explain everything but what she says makes sense. ~~Both scum in her D1 scum pile? Looking like town!Laine here.

#840 -- Responds to my TMI callout saying there are three scum in the game, so at least some of them were sitting back and letting the Shad/Calder fight do its thing. ~~umm... ok, don't know if that leaves me feeling any better.

#845 -- Talks about Calder. She's consistant with previous statements here.

Looking good where I left off. Things of note are possible TMI, defensiveness (I was going to count all the I'm not getting lynched style posts. A few of them came as overreactions), and lack of activity today. Because let's face it, if Laine or Nolder are scum they have zero motivation to keep trying (more town points for Nolder, that). I was also really bothered by EoD1 when she was acting like she couldn't make up her mind between me and Crusher. It felt like she was digging for an excuse to vote me and only jumped on Crush when she couldn't find one. Because based on her reads and statements pre-Clov test, Crush was very, very obviously the correct person for her to vote between us. I hated her sussing Thane D2 for not voting when Thane accomplished two consecutive no lynch days in PF as town. HATED IT. And it really irritated me that she was AtEing at me during the D1 showdown. The whole "AND I WAS TOWN IN THAT GAME, WASN'T I SHAD" as if anyone was sussing her. It was overreactive.

Unfortunately I didn't get to any of that yet in my ISO.

[v]Laine[/v]

Kivam second. Nolder third. He's town.

so, Kivam, what if Zander doesn't show?
[unvote][v]Nolder[/v].

Will go with my gut over Shad's read, given you are balancing him out. Got to start prepping for Shabbos (I've got asparagus soup, roasted potatoes, and rice with sauteed mushrooms and onions to make), so I'm not sure I'll be back before deadline, but will try to be and will vote with Zander if he shows up and breaks the tie by voting Laine.

I can do Laine or Kivam. But like I said, as long as Nyn is never lynched we've won. It's just a matter of how many days.

[v] Kiv [/v]

thoughts Thane?

Not Kiv.

unvote

[v]Laine[/v]

Nolder can have another day

Thane Vakarian · September 11, 2015

Son, move to Laine please. Kivam is no go for now

Nynaeve · September 11, 2015

Laine, you said you'd comment more thoroughly to my ISO but you never did....

That's because i was waiting for last night when I would have the time and went to bed early because I was tired intending to wake up early and instead overslept. If you're going to lynch me because of that just do it. But you're not going to find scum.

I didn't say I was going to lynch you for it. I was just wondering why you hadn't done it.

Shad_ · September 11, 2015

Laine, don't think of it as a mislynch. Think of it as a mechanical resolution. I could plug the three of you in random.org and lynch the order it spits out for all I care.

Zander? · September 11, 2015

[unvote][v]laine[/v]

Lynch all LIARS!!!!

kiv said he wouldnt swirch till we ALL voted together?????

Nynaeve · September 11, 2015

10 minutes guys.

alannalynn · September 11, 2015

I see mention of me being insecure about my scum game, I also am insecure about my reads as town. Take with that as you will. I will continue to put myself down as either alignment. It happens. Don't like that being used against me.

Shad_ · September 11, 2015

[unvote][v]laine[/v]

Lynch all LIARS!!!!

kiv said he wouldnt swirch till we ALL voted together?????

Think he said if we were split he'd go where 2/3 of us are

Nynaeve · September 11, 2015

Tinfoil is threatening to beak loose again.... ugh.

alannalynn · September 11, 2015

You're allowed to all vote Nolder without me btw. It's entirely possible that I'm wrong.

You're wrong.

Zander? · September 11, 2015

I see mention of me being insecure about my scum game, I also am insecure about my reads as town. Take with that as you will. I will continue to put myself down as either alignment. It happens. Don't like that being used against me.

Alanna.....IM SORRY!!!!

[v] Alanna [/v]

Zander? · September 11, 2015

glgl.....to my soul.....

Shad_ · September 11, 2015

You're allowed to all vote Nolder without me btw. It's entirely possible that I'm wrong.
You're wrong.

I meant wrong about Nolder being town. I could go either way with you or Kivam.

Kivam · September 11, 2015

[unvote][v]laine[/v]

Lynch all LIARS!!!!

kiv said he wouldnt swirch till we ALL voted together?????

Think he said if we were split he'd go where 2/3 of us are

This, especially with 10min left

Thane Vakarian · September 11, 2015

focus people.

no tinfoiling

no freaking out

Put your vote on Laine (it's a resolution procedure for the game)

no shennanigins now.

alannalynn · September 11, 2015

Whatever. Nothing I can really do at this point.

[unvote] [v]Kivam[/v]

alannalynn · September 11, 2015

You're allowed to all vote Nolder without me btw. It's entirely possible that I'm wrong.
You're wrong.

I meant wrong about Nolder being town. I could go either way with you or Kivam.

I'm town. But if it clears you up to find the last scum, I guess I'll go down. Sorry I didnt' put more into this game to make it easy

Kivam · September 11, 2015

Bfg, better have a scene ready to go. My heart can't take this

Shad_ · September 11, 2015

Well, Laine it is then. Never lynch Nyn and we're golden.

Sorry Laine if you're town. :sad:

Zander? · September 11, 2015

Whatever. Nothing I can really do at this point.

[unvote] [v]Kivam[/v]

Bfg, better have a scene ready to go. My heart can't take this

:rolleyes:

alannalynn · September 11, 2015

lol if Nyn is the last mafia

Nynaeve · September 11, 2015

focus people.

no tinfoiling

no freaking out

Put your vote on Laine (it's a resolution procedure for the game)

no shennanigins now.

*nod*

[v]Laine[/v]

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