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Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

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Eldrick4221 Master

Eldrick4221

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All my town reads are in the top posters.

 

Anyone below lee is fair game.

 

For those of you that are curious what that list was, like I was, the list of posters >= Leelou's posts:

Cory, Sili, Wish, Eldrick, Lenlo, Talya, Leelou

 

So, not counting himself, and the dead, the list mentioned is

Wish, Eldrick, Lenlo, Talya, Leelou

Eldrick4221 Master

Eldrick4221

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And I'm too tired to continue taking notes. Day 1 is just too active for me to do it while I read the first time. I barely get through reading it to begin with sometimes. I like how the game slows down Day 2 and on. Gives me a chance to try and figure out what's going on.

 

But I digress, I'm gonna go lay down now. i'm sure I'll check in on my phone, so if you wanna talk Sili, or whoever else pops in, I'm here.

Sili Quirrels Master

Sili Quirrels

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I'm also curious why Wish is on your list. She's been a controversial read.

Celeste and wish are different from last game. Their tone is town. Their content is town. So what one of them isnt 100% here. Or they sometimes have footinmputh. Its normal. wth.

Eldrick4221 Master

Eldrick4221

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Oci isnt a wolf so i hate his wagon. Town needs to stop being tilted by bad players or we will lose.

He's my best candidate atm. There have been a bunch of little things that felt wolfy to me.

 

I'm slowly but surely working on my reread. I've never been fast at it. If I see a better option, I'll change it. For now though, I'm happy where I am.

Lenlo Spam Master

Lenlo

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So lenlo. You gonna explain your reasoning at all, or just gonna call me scummy.

I already have. Multiple times. Keep up.
Lenlo Spam Master

Lenlo

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Verbal

Mish

Sooh

Taborline

Oci

Tina

Tress

 

Add talya and lenlo and js maybe thats all the hostiles.

Are you saying here you suspect me? Seems like a bit of a turn around. Why?
Taborline Community Regular

Taborline

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I am probably not going to be around much for the long weekend, so will try and do some work today. 

 

I'm just babbling here (yes, I'm putting off answering Wish' giant posts).

 

But this part you might wanna pay attention to. It's important babble.

 

I got a result on a player I did not target last night. This means we have a redirector or a busdriver. I'm not allowed to say what my result was or mention names. But the existence of a role messing with targeting is something everyone must take into consideration.

 

I had you down as suspicious, and couldn't get why Cory was dismissing me and saying you're Town. Since he's flipped Town, and given this comment, I'm inclined to put you in my Town pile as well. I don't think scum would be so quick to post what happened in their results.

 

 

 

I'm just babbling here (yes, I'm putting off answering Wish' giant posts).

But this part you might wanna pay attention to. It's important babble.

I got a result on a player I did not target last night. This means we have a redirector or a busdriver. I'm not allowed to say what my result was or mention names. But the existence of a role messing with targeting is something everyone must take into consideration.


...so did I.

 

 

 

Omg. It just clicked. Our roles and actions are mixed up until we get Loki.

 

 

Eld dark green town.

Why do you think Eld is dark green town, Mish? It says on the OP that scum roles are also mixed up, and I could read Eld's response as being honest whether he's Town or Scum. It could be solving, or it could be scum seeing an easy opportunity to look good?

Niniel Spam Master

Niniel

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I actually really dislike that Tina isn't voting me. The fact that she has me so far down on her list is bothering me. I haven't seen her to do anything in regards to discerning my alignment. It's like she just arbitrarily decided I'm scum. I'm not seeing her #solve. I love that she's seen nothing to change her mind, well I haven't had the chance to post anything of substance yet since end of day yesterday. She also failed to answer Key's question directed towards her regarding my calling her out as OMGUS. She's not circling back and following up.

 

Only person I've had time to ISO yet and it's not looking good. Tina, care to actually ask me questions that mean anything or follow up on the ones you have?

I'd like to hear this too. Leelou is one of the people that fell between the cracks on my read. I can't remember anything she said. Why are you scum reading her? And, if she's a scum read of yours, why aren't you pushing her?

 

 

To Leeloou - Read my old post why I thought you were scummy. You have done nothing after that have made me change my mind. You followed Cory on Pral really easy but kept it open that you might vote Verb as well. 

 

The reason that I didn´t aswer Key´s post was that I forgot it. I consider it omgus since you haven´t question many people at all but me, who has you as one of my reds. 

 

I have only one vote and that vote is on Oci, who I feel is even scummier than you. But I´m definitely willing to vote you if others would like to go in that way. 

 

Eldrick - I don´t really push people unless I have a very good case. I state my reason for why I think what about people. That´s often how I play, especially lately when I often post catch up posts. I think this is the second time you have cheered someone on when questioning me. (First time was Celeste or Wish, I think.) What do you think about me?

 

Why I suspect Leelou:

 

 

 

 

 

@Tina - I'll answer you in depth when I get a chance to ISO her. Right now, slightly uneasy which means she's most likely town. 

 

 

@Tina - do you want my thoughts too, or specifically only Cory?

 

Regardless, I am going to gice them to you :tongue:.

 

Need more from Verb, but it's the weekend, so that will have to wait.

 

I like Lee's play so far. I mentioned it earlier, but she's involved and not jumping on easy bait, imo.

 

Tal seemed slightly wolfy to me when I stopped reading before. I'll have to see if she's said anything new that sticks outm

 

Of course! Should have written Cory/Key. I don´t agree about Leelou, and does she ever jump on easy baits? 

 

Not a fan of Tina's vote. I think Ocicat is a hella easy target.

 

Easy in what way?

 

@tina - why did you vote me in the first place? :huh:

 

It was just my first vote. On page 1 I think. 

 

 

Got a little time to make this post.

 

In the past I have been able to read Sili well but I haven´t played with him in a long time. From the start he looked town, jumping all around. Then I was starting to think that he was setting up platforms for future lynches. But then I really liked his vote on Ocicat. I think post 342 was good and also that he questioned Celeste. I didn´t like Ocicat´s answer. I will +1 Sili´s reasons and 

 

[unvote]

 

[v] Ocicat [/v]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Something about Leelou-Verbal-CoryKey-Talya seems strange. 

 

1. Cory mentions mafia could have had four days to chat. I don´t think that shows any alignment.

2. Leelou votes him for possible tmi. That seemed like a weak vote.

3. Then Cory gets annoyed and, after getting permission from Kivam, says that he and Key has shared a qt for four days.

4. Leelou then asks Verbal what he thinks about that. Not strange that he asks him of his oppinion but...

5. Verbal then says that (basically) annoyed Cory is town. And then Leelou unvote and say that she wanted to clear Cory early. 

 

I thought the vote in itself was weak but she is now townreading Cory because of this. It seems like a bit too easy. 

 

But then we have Talya that didn´t want Leelou to vote or mention anything so that Cory could have revealed more (?? I think that is what she means.) She says that this doesn´t look good for Leelou. What does this mean? That she thinks Cory was mafia and Leelou too? Leelou thinks Talya jumped on it too quick. Talya said that she did so because Leelou never gave a reason to begin with. (But when she did, she didn´t think Leelou should have mentioned it.) 

 

Cory: what do you think about Leelou, Verbal and Talya?

Leelou: what do you think about Talya?

Talya: What do you think about Leelou? 

Verb: What do you think about Leelou and Talya? 

 

I usually don´t ask questions like this but it seems like it was a "knot" that has been left unsolved. (At least to me.)

 

 

 

Sooh looks town to me so far. I think she answered Snow good when he questioned her in the beginning.

To clarify, I thought if Leelou was thinking Cory was setting people up, letting him run with and catch him at it would have been better. By her saying what she was voting for means she would never know...so defeated the object of what she was thinking.

 

At present not sure on Leelou, she didn't get too flustered over me talking to her. The way she pulled the vote off Cory could be taken a number of ways. The thing I did like was her interaction with Verb, and his interaction with her...so at the moment slight town read

 

 

Okay. So you thought she was town at the time and didn´t act well. I get it now. 

 

 

 

uhuh.  :dry:

 

 

From what I conjecture already, OCicat is one who lurks and keeps notes and irregularly comments. When he does comment, it's often tangential or queer.

 

Because he is a heteroclitic player, according to you, should I conclude he is not be compelled to respond to pressure? And even though he pushed JS over something really minute, does he not find other topics worthy of being noted? Or, if his vote was made to garner a response, why not follow up on said response and continue to engage the thread?

 

I checked his account. I know he is around.

 

If he is not responding to pressure how is one supposed to read him based on an inexistent reaction?

 

 

For the record I HATE when people do this. It means nothing!  People use it saying "he posted here.."  So?? people post in threads other then mafia some even have responsibilitys to do so. 

 

Other people like me leave the DM window open and go to bed so it will show im online but im not active.

 

Also sometimes a player doesnt post because they have nothing to say! Thats not lurking imo they could be totally upto date  its just not interacting. if they only pop in at OPPORTUNE times for them then THATS lurking.

 

And someone tell me what the Red possibly tells you about alignment? Cause either Town or Scum or 3rd party could do this.

 

 

 

Also because people wanna start posting post counts again Im about to make a point of how that doesnt mean much either

 

 

Thanks, Dice! 

 

I didn't realize until writing it out how much not having a read on Tina's slot bothered me

 

I can usually clear her like 10-12 posts when she is a villager and she can attest to this

 

She has posted, she did make a post with CONTENT, and I still really have no sense of ease with her

 

That's probably a really bad sign

 

Yes, I can defenitely attest to this. I don´t think you have ever been wrong about me. I´m sorry but I won´t give you much to work with today either. Rl has not been nice to me this weekend and I need to go to bed. Actually, I should already be in bed. But my rl problems should be better tomorrow afternoon and I will be back then. 

 

Is it a good time to confess I killed a cat today >.>

 

Poor you! And poor cat!

 

 

 

 

I´ve just skimmed the thread enough to quote the posts that interested me or involved me in some way. About Leelou: what felt really wrong about it all was that she voted Cory over something like that and then unvoted with a "wanted to townread you early". It felt really fake to me - both the vote and the way she cleared Cory. I know that she trust Verbal, but still it doesn´t look good to me. I also don´t agree with Verbal that Cory being emo (not the word he choose but something like that) is a town tell. It has been a long time since I played with Cory but I remember one our first game that we played together where he was third party and went pretty emo for a while.

 

For the record - I have Cory/Key as town right now, but I didn´t by this time in the game. 

 

 

I´ll continue with Oci tomorrow. I still haven´t seen anything really good from him yet. 

 

If you have any questions I will be here for like 8 more minutes. 

 

 

 

 

Taborline Community Regular

Taborline

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Wish-tree:

 

 

 

Hmmm...was the she about Leelou? Taborline, what do you think about Leelou? Irc, Cory said that he gave her a null-town read.

 

Sorry I missed this in the quote tree, Wish.

 

I had moved Leelou from being orange to being null - and I think I am still feeling null but with a slight scum lean. She cleared Cory early, and seemed to follow him, which is fine as he flipped town and it's helpful if she's town as well. At the same time, to justify her town read of Cory she says "Because I figured out how to read him" which is a very safe and null reason to give, and having an early established town read on an active and persuasive player could be useful for her if she's scum (like having an easy explanation the next day after voting Pral).

John Snow Master

John Snow

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-snip-

Reads as I want to sound like I'm saying stuff. 

 

What do you think of Sili's entry? Or Lenlo's? Or Ocicat's? Or Sili's thoughts on those entries? Or my thoughts on Sili's thoughts on those entries?

 

Give me some real content. Persuade me you're town. 

 

 

 

 

sooh I agree regarding sili's early posts   but I thought they got better once he and snow started.

 

Do you agree?

 

Your feeding has been noted. 

 

 

Snow, what issue did you have with Sooh talking about her feelings on Sili's play at this point, or Dice agreeing with her? You seem to feel it wasn't game solving information, but I disagree.

 

 

I feel like she was trying to look like she's saying something, without actually saying anything. It's something I find scummy.

 

And Dice's post was hand-feeding her an answer, as opposed to letting her answer/clear herself. 

 

Also... I actually didn't realize before now that the game is based on Marvel's Thor, and not the original norse mythologi. Lol.

 

Realized that when the Odin picture came up. 

 

Oh. 0% chance loki is cult leader. Wincon doesn't fit.

 

My money's on Loki is a supernexus or something. Fits the best with the scene, and the muddled results. Also fits Loki; instead of him killing people, he gets other people to do his dirty work for him. 

michellem Grand Master

michellem

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I am probably not going to be around much for the long weekend, so will try and do some work today. 

 

I'm just babbling here (yes, I'm putting off answering Wish' giant posts).

 

But this part you might wanna pay attention to. It's important babble.

 

I got a result on a player I did not target last night. This means we have a redirector or a busdriver. I'm not allowed to say what my result was or mention names. But the existence of a role messing with targeting is something everyone must take into consideration.

 

I had you down as suspicious, and couldn't get why Cory was dismissing me and saying you're Town. Since he's flipped Town, and given this comment, I'm inclined to put you in my Town pile as well. I don't think scum would be so quick to post what happened in their results.

 

 

 

I'm just babbling here (yes, I'm putting off answering Wish' giant posts).

 

But this part you might wanna pay attention to. It's important babble.

 

I got a result on a player I did not target last night. This means we have a redirector or a busdriver. I'm not allowed to say what my result was or mention names. But the existence of a role messing with targeting is something everyone must take into consideration.

...so did I.

 

 

 

Omg. It just clicked. Our roles and actions are mixed up until we get Loki.

 

 

Eld dark green town.

Why do you think Eld is dark green town, Mish? It says on the OP that scum roles are also mixed up, and I could read Eld's response as being honest whether he's Town or Scum. It could be solving, or it could be scum seeing an easy opportunity to look good?

 

I've already answered this, on the same page and the page after where those quotes are from.

Songstress Spam Master

Songstress

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4 day weekend :happy:

 

I'm starting slow but I will have more to say as I can sit down and sort through thoughts and pull a few quotes. 

 

Before anything, though, I wanted to throw this out here:

 


Updated:
 

Sili
 
 
Lenlo
 
 
Mish
Songstress
 
Jon Snow
 
Taborline
 
 
 
Sooh
Leelou
 
 
Dicetosser
 
 
Wishleste
Talya
 
TinaHel
Ocicat
 
Eldrick
 
Verbal
Pral
 
Kind of moving backwards at this point
 

Trust my blues and high greens more than anything else
 
My reads on Sili & Tress are probably 100% correct
 

I figure there's a good chance I am going tonight so I am going to try to go through things in my head one more time and there's some things REALLY bothering me
 
1) Do not trust or weigh my read on Sooh at all this game. She's a player who probably likes leveling me and give hints to others on HOW to pocket me specifically. Basically, if everyone in the game thinks that she is a wolf and it's only my word defending her, I give you the right to ignore me or my previous read if I have passed.
 
2) I do not know how to read Wish/Celeste so see the above caveat on them. I think Wish in particular would focus on trying to fool me more than other players.
 
Cory is killed N1 as town a lot, because he's darn good at this game, and nothing drives Town!Cory more crazy than being killed N1 and having town ignore his reads lists for the rest of the game.
 
I'm keeping this list handy for reference.  He was wrong on Pral, but he wasn't sure about Pral - he's usually much more sure of his strong town reads.  Loki might be hiding among the townies on his list, but the majority of the mafia should be in his bottom half.

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