Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[Eldrick4221]

The person I'm feeling the worst about right now is Tab. I was looking into her ISO last night. I didn't finish, but I didn't see anything I particularly liked either. And, as JS pointed out, her vote on Wish feels like bussing. 

[unvote]

[v]Tab[/v]

 

As I explained when I voted him, don't have JS as town. Still willing to go that way.

 

I'd be willing to go Lenlo too. There have been things that rubbed me the wrong way about him. I don't think I have the support there, though.

 

I'm not getting the same vibe others are from Tina. I don't see the problem with reads not changing much, if nothing happens that makes you want to change them.

 

Like I just explained, can't read Verb. He's an inactive. could go either way.

 

BFG is another inactive. I was looking into what she's contributed so far yesterday. I should go finish that.

 

Feeling good about Leelou. don't think she'd be Wish's  teammate.

 

Tress and Talya are slight town. I can't remember them doing anything I didn't like, and that's a good sign.

 

Oci was scum to me. AJ is town. Slight town on this slot.

 

Sorry to the other person I'm forgetting. I know I'm missing someone.

[Eldrick4221]

Mish. I forgot Mish, cuz she's clearly town to me and I was thinking about who I wanted to lynch.

[Andrej]

That puts Taborline at 2 I believe with everyone else sitting at 1.

 

Might be hard to swing 7 votes on the same person by tomorrow afternoon, but we'll see.

 

I'm getting off for the night but I will be around pretty consistently during the day tomorrow, or at least reading the thread often when I can peek at my phone. I will consider consolidating on Tina/Tab if the wagons swing that way

[Eldrick4221]

I realize the problem with part of my reasoning coming from someone that I don't think is town. doesn't make it not true, just means that they probably aren't both wolves.

[Eldrick4221]

That puts Taborline at 2 I believe with everyone else sitting at 1.

 

Might be hard to swing 7 votes on the same person by tomorrow afternoon, but we'll see.

 

I'm getting off for the night but I will be around pretty consistently during the day tomorrow, or at least reading the thread often when I can peek at my phone. I will consider consolidating on Tina/Tab if the wagons swing that way

We've been there before. We had like 5 trains of 1 vote Day 2. But we ended up nabbing a scum, too, so I'm not too worried.

[Lenlo]

I'd be willing to go Lenlo too. There have been things that rubbed me the wrong way about him. I don't think I have the support there, though.

 

Still want specifiiiiics.

 

[v]Verb[/v]

 

Seems like a good one for today, though this is based almost solely on AJ's and others analysis. Wishleste's lynch took away my main push/tunnel on Eld, and I wont have time to go back and reread till the weekend to come up with some new big suspects.

[Kivam]

Vote Count
 

Talya (1) - Taborline

Tina (1) - Talya
AJ (1) - Tina
Taborline (1) - Eldrick

Verbal (2) - Andrej, Lenlo

 

[Eldrick4221]

I can't think of specifics right now. Just a nagging feeling that you aren't town.

[Eldrick4221]

I remember having an issue with your discussion with wishleste early d2. I think what it is is I get a loki vibe from you. But I don't have any evidence to support it, so it is what it is.

[Eldrick4221]

And since I'm a train of 1 vote again, I'd rather it be on my loki hunch than on a slight scum.

 

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[v]Lenlo [/v]

 

Thanks for making me think about it. :)

[Lenlo]

And since I'm a train of 1 vote again, I'd rather it be on my loki hunch than on a slight scum.

 

[unvote]

[v]Lenlo [/v]

 

Thanks for making me think about it. :)

Sure thing! Thanks for not providing anything specific.

[Eldrick4221]

I'm gonna laugh if you do turn out to be loki, but I fail to get you lynched.

[Lenlo]

I'm gonna laugh if you do turn out to be loki, but I fail to get you lynched.

Look anyone who knows me knows I love a good 3P, solo win. Especially ones where everyone thinks im 3P until the end and I turn out not to be.

 

But sadly thats not what I am this game. So I wanna help figure this out and get you through this hangup on me. Got any questions? Anything you wanna ask me that I can clarify? Cause I feel if we can #solve atleast this and stop getting hung up on each other and in each others way, it will help a good deal.

[Eldrick4221]

No, cuz I think i'm right. I'm not gonna have you convince me I'm not, and have you turn out to be Loki after all.

 

There have just been too many possible Loki tells for me to shrug it off.

 

You responded to my wincon comment with the idea that Loki would be annoyed at the info getting out.

 

You responded to Mish and I having confusion in our N1 results in a way that obviously meant you didn't get a similar result. This means you had a night that doesn't give results, but I would consider Loki as probably on that list. I have all but ruled out Loki being an SK by this point, considering the number of deaths so far.

 

And then there was the part of you pushing the idea that Loki was a survivor, which makes no sense whatsoever. If felt like misdirection, and I'm not letting that one go. It wasn't you trying to debunk the rb claim, like you said. Even if they had been an RB, like they said. They could have blocked a kill, or loki didn't have a kill. Survivor doesn't fit Loki's wincon, and you know it.

[BFG]

[v]Verbal[/v] He's just odd all around. His tone and the fact that he isn't around much. Also I see little content in his posts.

Vote is interesting, at this point Celeste has one vote on her, Verb none but was a counter wagon Day 1. There's only a few people talking about them, so no real indication yet that the lynch is going to swing their way. I dunno.

 

In #1864 she asks Sili why he isn't voting Verb, which is the same as wish-lest with Sili/Tress earlier. This probably looks good for Verb?

[BFG]

Some random thoughts:

 

In TG Verb was insistent that mafia were active partly because he was trying to disprove Cory's sort by postcount theory. I kind of think that if he was mafia this game he'd feel the same, especially with Cory playing. He was pretty inactive early game in Belichick, but came in with unpressured gamesolve (if still relatively small scale, which was pretty accurate looked at post game). He was also inactive in Star Wars and I should probably look at that again.

 

Since he's been posting today I don't really recall much that was unprompted from him, asked about counter trains but didn't come back to it, responded to Leelou about Tina, jokes about still being alive...

 

Verb knows this leaves him POE whatever his alignment so his actions here are weird whatever's going on.

 

Celeste vote doesn't really feel like a bus vote, there aren't many votes in play at the time, and Verb was catching heat Day 1 so could have been a viable train. But the content I remember from him leaves me uneasy

[BFG]

So my tablet just crashed losing most of my post :/

 

from memory Tinas ISO on Leelou is accurate from an ISO perspective. What stood out in Leelous ISO was that despite asking Verb about Cory, she only agrees with the TMI slip. She then unvoted and responded to Verb about fluffy things.

 

Seperately, I liked a few of Leelous posts around here although why escapes me now

 

Tress is standing out as looking pretty good here, specifically her interaction with Lenlo in terms of engagement and follow through.

[BFG]

Eldrick is looking good, his point about being willing to follow Cory on Verb while also saying that lynching inactive is bad (#1984) is good, but without knowing Ocicat have to put the guilty conscious point as null, some people are just very self conscious.

 

He's currently wtl Ocicat (vote), Verb, Sooh, Leelou. I remember a few posts later where he looks at Wishleste,

 

 

Mish comes in and basically says that Tabor is looking worse than the last game (I think HP), less interactive more ISOs, I think AJ states that Tabor is looking better than when she was mafia (maybe Middle Earth?) apparent contradiction between the 2 is interesting.

 

I enter soon after and Tabor does interject herself in the conversation - note to check if this was the 'first' time. Specifically she responds to me saying that I thought Wishleste were less likely to be Loki for mentioning him so much, given that Mish is voting them because she thinks they're Loki I'm not sure what to make of this atm

[Talya]

@ BFG - what have you got "hello to Jason Issacs" in you dig, lol

 

I could happily go for Verb, when he is here I feel there is not much effort. He says he is busy RL, and that does suck, but he manages to find questions to answer, especially if the questioner I Leelou.

 

The Wisheleste vote on Verb - she did come in day 2 voting him and appealing to Sili. But this could be have been the fact there were a few people mentioning him on d1 and he did have a decent train on that day against Pral. She could easily have been pushing Verb to make it look like she was first on him and therefore town. She did vote him d1 but she moved later to Ocicat (I hope my memory is correct). So there is a possibility he could be wolf, i can't see him being town, I've seen him not being so active but comes in with some strong views when town.

 

In short he could be wolf or Loki.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Verb[/v]

 

Still could go back to Tina

 

I'll be around a bit today, got a day off.

[Songstress]

Just finished my ISO of Wish's interactions with the remaining living players and my eyes are glazing over.  Ugh.  I'd put it together with Celeste, but I know Mish and maybe others by now (I can't even remember) has already looked at her ISO.

 

Notes in spoiler, almost no analysis included here, just summaries to refresh my memory.

 

 

 

#373 - Tries to correlate Ocicat mistake/joke vote and Sili calling him out on it to herself and Sili distancing in previous game.  Points out that Snow espoused the Eldrick = Loki argument and then dropped it because Eldrick is too experienced to make that kind of a slip, suggests scum would be more concerned with eliminating Loki.

 

#558 - responds to Ocicat's callout for not posting.

 

#568 - responds to Snow's question about her experience level

 

#574 - comments on Ocicat's experience level

 

#577 - comments on Taborline's post about playing piano

 

#579 - notes Lenlo left her out of the post count

 

#587 - Decides to pressure Ocicat (per discussion between Key and Celeste) - asks him what his strategy is for the game, and how he thinks he is contributing/being pro town.

 

#591 - asks Cory to explain why he would shoot Verb/Pral/Taborline - classifies them as inactive and asks what makes them scummy.  (Defending Verb or Tab?)

 

#607 - calls out Ocicat for only answering the first of her two questions in #587

 

#633 - banter with Snow about his accusation of being misrepped

 

#987 - Asks Mish why she would look bad if her hypothetical was true that Ocicat was linking her to Wish/Celeste to set her up if they get lynched.

 

#988 - Asks Talya why she thinks Celeste voted her.

 

#989 - gives solid town read on Lenlo, decides to quote some of his posts and interact with him.

 

#990 - Quotes Lenlo's Eldrick ISO part 3 and gives her take on the Eldrick as Loki potential - concludes she is willing to put him as a scum read but does not think he is Loki.  Questions how Snow thinks she is misrepping him with her commentary on his interaction with Eldrick.

 

#992 - Quotes my interaction with Verbal on the Verb/Leelou/Cory situation, assumes I was talking about Celeste where I was talking about Leelou's vote on Cory.  Talks about the concept of using Leelou and Verbal's interactions to read them, then writes it off as meta and decides to stay away from the topic until one of them has flipped.  Pokes at Verb about his denial that he is appealing to meta when he states it's unlikely that they could be scum together due to that meta.

 

#995 - is happy that Lenlo posted due to slow thread

 

#1001 & #1003 - banters with Lenlo about dinner.

 

#1005 - asks Lenlo what he thinks of Ocicat and Talya, the leading wagons

 

#1006 - banters with Lenlo about nicknames

 

#1008 - comments on Lenlo's stated opinion of Talya and Oci - does not understand the significance of Lenlo's Darthe reference, calls his opinion of Ocicat harsh but understandable.  Promises to look over Oci's interactions with Celeste to see if she can find what Talya was talking about.  Asks Len who the better lynches today would be.

 

#1012 - Again interacting with Lenlo - disagrees with getting rid of the inactives (notes herself, Taborline, Pral and "others (?)".  Asks why Lenlo prefers Tina lynch over Pral.

 

#1013 - In interaction with Sili asks him to clarify whether he thinks Talya is town or Loki

 

#1033 - In response to Cory, specifically points out Lenlo as someone who cares about who is being lynched D1

 

#1039 - Posts first sliding scale reads list (town to mafia):  Wishleste, Lenlo, CorKey, Sooh, Tress, Sili, Leelou, Tina, Dice, Talya, Verbal, Mish, Pral, Tab, Snow, Ocicat, Eldrick...  gives Snow, Pral, Mish and Talya as possible Loki candidates.

 

#1044 - Notes Celeste thinks Oci is town, Wish does not understand why and disagrees.

 

#1050/1052 - votes Eldrick (2nd vote)

 

#1056 - States she thinks Ocicat is a sweetie

 

#1063 - Notes Eldrick had a good point about Sili being "caught" calling Talya both Town and Loki, then mentioning she could also be scum.

 

#1066 - Responds to Cory about his gut read on Eldrick and tells him to sell her his argument why he shouldn't be lynched today.  (was actually in regards to Ocicat)

 

#1072 - Appeals to Lenlo for his opinion on Ocicat as a stronger town read than Cory

 

#1081 - Tells Lenlo he is doing well this game in comparison to last one

 

#1084 - Encourages Ocicat that his train is only one vote over "the other wagon" (Pral and Eldrick both had 2 votes, Oci had 4 at this point) and that he can still save himself.

 

#1103 - Responds to Ocicat's unvote of Pral when he saw Pral reading the thread

 

#1132 - Lighthearted response to Eldrick adding them to his WTL list

 

#1133 - Appeals to Taborline to clear up her null-ness

 

#1186 - responds to Mish's case - states Mish and Oci are scummier than Wishleste, denies ties to Ocicat and denies he was trying to defend them.  States Celeste replied to Mish's post that Mish indicated she hadn't acknowledged.   Clarifies Mish is in her low nulls in the read scale, and found it odd that she cleared them "that easily" early on.   Lightheartedly accepts being called a candiate for Loki.  Is offended at Mish's suggestion that she was refusing to respond to Talya's request to define her null and scum reads more clearly. States she does not want to lynch inactives/potential Loki candidates because she believes it's better for town, as mafia will be more focused on taking out Loki instead of the townies.

 

#1290 - Responds to Taborline's ISO part 1, noting that she has limited experience with Ocicat from the Usual Suspects game when he posted very little in the QT and only once on the thread.  Notes that Snow acknowledged she wasn't misinterpreting him after she rephrased what she said, and asks why Tab is "getting hung up on that", says she is "still pretty sure" she didn't intend to twist Snow's words and was surprised by his reaction.  Notes she and Celeste disagree on Ocicat's alignment and she still thinks Oci is scum.

 

#1294 - Responds to Taborline's ISO part 2,  noting that Ocicat never finished answering her two part question so she asked him to provide his answer to the second part.  Said she started off trying to give Oci some advice piggybacked off of Cory's about how things that don't make sense aren't always inherently scummy, and realized during her explanation that it meant nothing because bad logic occurs in both town and scum.  Tries to paint Mish and Talya as scummy for OMGUS behavior.

 

#1295 - apologizes to Snow for not snipping quote trees

 

#1296 - Apologizes to Snow again and says she does not remember how she put words into his mouth, "honestly doesn't think" she meant for it to be malicious, and says if she purposefully misrepresented him it might have been her procedure of tunneling for reactions - asks him to quote the post in which he thinks she misrepped him.

 

#1298 - Assures Snow that she does not take his tone personally, it's a game

 

#1301 - Responds to Taborline's ISO part 3, notes her asking Len for reads was actually questioning Sili's read on Talya.  States Sooh and Tress are towny based on tone and attitude, plus Cory town reading both.  

 

#1303 - Acknowledges her mistake that she misinterpreted Snow as espousing the Eldrick = Loki argument

 

#1304 - Agrees to Eldrick's request to create a clearer reads list

 

#1306 - Banters with Eldrick about her sig, then promises to make a read chart.

 

#1331 - posts reads chart, with the following (living players only):  Town - Tress, Tina, Lenlo, Sooh; Null-Towny - Leelou, Tab; Null - Verb, Talya; Null-Scummy - Mish, Snow; Scum - Eldrick, Ocicat

 

#1336, #1342, #1345 - Discussion with Cory regarding his read on Leelou, and how her read is contingent on Cory's because she doesn't know Leelou

 

#1343 - notes to Ocicat that Cory was protecting him

 

#1356 - Discussion with Eldrick on the number of people she has noted as "Cory thinks they're town" in her rationale.  Clarifies that her problem with Eldrick is that he appears to be Loki hunting and not hunting for mafia.

 

#1373 - Responds to Eldrick's suggestion that she and Celeste compare notes on the QT and try to present a united voice that she and Celeste didn't have a QT

 

#1539 - Responds to Mish's accusation of massive misrepresenting by suggesting her characterization of Wishleste "brushing off" Ocicat's linking as a misrep - states they didn't brush it off, they didn't see it.  Asks how she is nudging Pral's idea that Mish and Talya are teammates, and notes that if Pral is mafia it doesn't mean Mish and Talya aren't.

 

#1549 - Quotes Mish's posts from early game where she casts suspicion on Lenlo and then unvotes him - points out Mish found Celeste's "gut votes" suspicious when her vote on Len was similar, notes Mish does not vote Celeste as easily as she voted Lenlo.

 

#1557 - Quotes Talya's ISO of Mish, pushes the suspicion of Mish but also points out as curious that Talya catches Celeste in a mistake attributing the Verb/Leelou/Cory discusion to Mish, but does not admit that she was the one who Celeste was talking about

 

#1558 - Continues push on Mish by bringing up her null read on Verb and "iffy" read plus vote on Pral.

 

#1560 - States she is becoming increasingly convinced that Pral may be town after ISOing Mish and Talya (partially)

 

#1568 - Responds to Talya regarding her participation in the Verb/Cory/Leelou discussion - says she thinks Celeste mixed up Mish and Talya.  Says she does that as well, and also mixes up Ocicat and Eldrick.

 

#1574 - States she understands Talya's point about her not mentioning the discussion with Verbal/Cory/Leelou, but takes issue with her calling Celeste out for mixing up Talya and Mish.

 

#1584 - backs off of Talya when she explains further why she was calling Celeste out... Notes that Celeste doesn't quote posts so it would be easy to get confused.

 

#1590 - promises to ISO Snow and look at Ocicat and Eldrick when she gets home.

 

#1592 - States Mish and Talya are on her "you've been naughty" list and will take a look at them, and plans to re-evaluate Sooh, Leelou and Tress based on her not trusting Cory's soulreads anymore.

 

#1593 - Responds to Eldrick's question about best use of night actions, suggesting to target null reads for more information to avoid harming town if the power is detrimental or helping scum if it is beneficial.

 

#1710 - States they targeted John Snow but received no result.  Notes Mish is misinterpreting her as blaming Cory for Pral's lynch.

 

#1711 - responds to Tab's thank you for her ISO of Mish/Talya

 

#1712 - Quotes Eldrick's post (noting Sooh's suspicion of Talya for suggesting she and Sili staged their conversation after Cory hinted mafia had time to talk before the game started) and appears to be casting suspicion on Talya.

 

#1713 - Calls Mish rude for pointing out the timing of Wish's post #1560 was after Pral was lynched

 

#1718 - Calls my reads chart "gorgeous" and says she is going to use it.

 

#1725 - Responds to my answer about the meaning of PAFO

 

#1726 - Piggybacks on Mish's suggestion of Loki as a potential cult leader, which she had already dropped, by quoting the OP and pointing out specific flavor language

 

#1730 - is disappointed that I did not agree with "Mish's hypothesis and her hypothesis" 

 

#1731 - quotes Eldrick and Mish discussion about Loki's win condition not fitting cult leader and Mish's paranoia and calls it WIFOM

 

#1734 - Suggests Lenlo's post is ironic (amazed at the number of town reads and suggesting people may finally forget his performance as symp)

 

#1736 - Responds to Ocicat's disregarding her Loki as recruiter suggestion, and suggests that she is wary of the mod.

 

#1739 - states she has not abandoned her pursuit of Mish, was just distracted by setup speculation

 

#1741 - responds to my post about this not being a bastard game by suggesting that we might be referring to a hidden cult as a bastard mechanic although she does not think so

 

#1745 - agrees to my final post clarifying that giving Loki's win condition incorrectly, not having a hidden cult, was what I was referring to when I said this was not a bastard game.

 

#1749 - calls Lenlo mean for responding to Kivam's "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED" gif

 

#1750 - responds to Talya's question clarifying that she did not get a PM back with night action results, and there was nothing on her hydra QT

 

#1754 - responds to thanks from Talya for answering her questions

 

#1774, #1776 - Starts out to ISO CorKey and adds in other players - includes Cory townreading Snow, Tress, Sooh, Lenlo... Asks Taborline to clarify who she was talking about voting for Cory as a "safe" vote, then the next quote realizes it was about Leelou and asks Tab to comment on her read on Leelou - notes Cory had Leelou as null/town.   Notes Key reads Talya as wolfy and wants more from Verb, unsure she agrees with Key about Tina's vote on Ocicat (asks if she thought it was opportunistic).  Asks Talya whose votes she was calling opportunistic on the Lenlo train.  Asks Sili if he still thought I was a bossy wolf.  Pokes at Cory/Sooh conflict and says she doesn't know what to make of it.  Points out Cory shading Taborline and mentions of Verbal/Eldrick/Pral.  Points out Ocicat's post prodding Sili for his reads of Oci and Wishleste, and not responding to Mish's read of Celeste being opposite of his - suggests "connections". States Ocicat made a good point that Sili didn't care that Mish was seeing something opposite of him with regard to Celeste.  Agrees with Ocicat pointing out Mish/Celeste interaction. Summarizes my initial reads and asks me to update my thoughts.  Points out Cory asking me to clarify my "iffy" feeling on Leelou.  Points out one of my posts as mostly content-less except for buddying Dice.  Quotes Lenlo's Tab ISO and states she doesn't know if Lenlo's questions about Tab's thoughts on Sooh were answered.  Points out Sooh's suspicion of Talya again as a good point, and states she reads Sooh as town.  Characterizes Snow's unvote of Lenlo as due to group consensus even though he's "not cleared".  Confused about the Snow/Eldrick exchange that Dice was referencing with regard to PR's.

 

#2075 - States she targeted Snow N1 believing she is a roleblocker due to her character - notes that only 2 kills N1 (likely from town vig and either Loki or mafia) which means that she must have prevented a kill if both of them have NKs, which means that Snow is either Loki or Mafia.  (really fail logic)

 

#2085 - gives reads list - top scum as Snow, scummy as Tress, Mish, Sili, Tab, town as Talya, Sooh/BFG, Lenlo, Leelou, Oci, Eldrick, Tina and Verbal.  Has Sooh/Verb/Oci/Eldrick as town by POE, plus she likes BFG's calmness and good analysis.

 

#2108 - Responds to Leelou post about her assumption she is a roleblocker based on her character

 

#2110/2111 - tries to explain to Lenlo how to vote using tags 

 

#2120 - Responds to my demand to show me quotes of using Cory's outdated reads to determine my own reads by saying that she was waiting for some others to react first. (Talya or Sooh/BFG?)

 

#2124 - Asks me which questions of Lenlo's that I pointed out she didn't answer.

 

#2133/2135 - Responds to my repost of Lenlo's questions regarding how she could guarantee Loki had a kill and that her block (if they have one) went through on Snow (full of assumptions).

 

#2139 - Pushes Lenlo about not liking the focus on the Loki theories but then agreeing to focus on them if someone consolidates them.

 

#2147, #2153 - Responds to Lenlo's posts about her convoluted Loki theories and assumptions

 

#2155/2158/2161 - Argument with Lenlo regarding Loki's win condition fitting with Serial Killer better than Survivor

 

#2163/2169 - responds to Lenlo's questioning her assumption that Loki has a kill and she roleblocked him somehow ending in 2 kills by laying out the assumptions that lead to 2 kills, avoids Lenlo's point that her assumptions don't make sense in a game where roles are unknown and targeting is random

 

#2170 - Responds to Taborline's callout that her #2147 was not helpful by noting that she is trying to save her behind because she believes she has an important role.

 

#2172/2174/2175 - Again argues with Lenlo about Loki wincon being similar to SK, and accuses Lenlo of being Loki.

 

#2178 - updates reads list to Loki = Lenlo, Scum = Sili, Tab, Mish, Tress, Town = Sooh/BFG, Tina, Eldrick, Leelou, Ocicat, Verbal. (leaves off Snow entirely)

 

#2183 - Tells Tab she can go ahead and lynch them now because if Lenlo is Loki then she is probably vanilla

 

#2193 - Again argues with Lenlo about Loki's wincon and accuses him of being Loki because he was so adamant about it being a survivor win condition.

 

#2194 - Amused at Lenlo's frustration

 

#2198 - Responds to BFG's post asking for clarification of her reads noting that she has Sooh/BFG as town now because she has liked BFG's posts and Talya has improved because she is not just piggybacking on some of Cory's reads... Accuses Taborline of lurking before popping in and saying they were scummy, and then lurking again before coming in to vote them... Tells Leelou Verb has been lurking and there's no reason to clear him as town, so she should lynch him too.  (WIFOM)

 

 

#2200 - Responds to Leelou's reasons for voting Wishleste by saying "good thing you voted us then"

 

#2203 - Responds to Leelou's point that she has Verbal in her town list by POE by saying "who knows" and suggesting lynching Verb as well as Wishleste (WIFOM!)

 

#2211 - Responds to BFG's question about how seriously she takes mafia

 

#2254 - Responds to Sili/Celeste interaction about her  attacking Leelou by saying she thinks it was Talya who was critical of Leelou, denies attacking Leelou.

 

#2257 - Quotes Mish's post regarding her thoughts tha the mafia team is Sooh/Verb, Talya, Tab and Ocicat, with Wishleste as Loki, and asks her how she feels now.

 

#2258/2259/2260 - Quotes my exchange with Talya regarding my posting Cory's reads list and notes that she is confused about it, notes BFG's input that she values Cory's reads, then says she got confused and thought that it was Talya and I who were arguing over Cory's reads (which it was)

 

#2261 - Posts new reads list - Scum = Snow (calls him out specifically and suggests that he might hammer them), BFG (for remaining calm and trying to see a situation in which they weren't mafia/Loki, and for Sooh sheeping the thread read of Wishleste as scum), Sili (for white knighting them), Mish (doesn't like her suspicions of Talya "and other town").  Loki = Lenlo.  Town = everyone else.

 

#2263/2264 - Responds to Lenlo's characterization of her reads list as a final shot in the dark to find a dark horse for an alternate lynch with "that's okay, whatever you say", and acknowledges that if her list is correct she is not a roleblocker

 

Sorting through all of these when I should be sleeping to try to determine what it all means...  I'm going to hate myself tomorrow.

[BFG]

Talya - don't disagree with Verbs lack of content, the vote gives me pause and Verbs commenting on that makes me uneasy again. I'm not confident in spew analysis to use that and I haven't seen enough from him yet to get a read independently.

 

He's also in my Loki pool.

 

I'll iso later to try and get an actual opinion.

 

 

 

Google Jason Isaacs, it should come up from a UK computer. It originates from Kermode and Mayos film review.

 

Got to run

[Songstress]

So, so much regret for not finishing this sooner.... ugh... *cries*

 

Some of my results post is going to be very detailed, and some of it is going to be just quick impressions and a conclusion, because I didn't need to go through all those posts again and again and again and ughhhhh.  The ones I wasn't sure of after finishing the ISO I'm pulling all of Wish's comments together to get a cohesive look at.  It's useful in some cases, WIFOM in others.

[Eldrick4221]

I think Wishleste's final reads need more analysis. I'd be surprised if she didn't put any of her teammates in her scum/loki lists. She must have known she was going down, and that these read lists would be analyzed later.

 

Thank you Tress for the notes.

Snippets from said notes:

#2085 - gives reads list - top scum as Snow, scummy as Tress, Mish, Sili, Tab, town as Talya, Sooh/BFG, Lenlo, Leelou, Oci, Eldrick, Tina and Verbal.  Has Sooh/Verb/Oci/Eldrick as town by POE, plus she likes BFG's calmness and good analysis.

#2178 - updates reads list to Loki = Lenlo, Scum = Sili, Tab, Mish, Tress, Town = Sooh/BFG, Tina, Eldrick, Leelou, Ocicat, Verbal. (leaves off Snow entirely)

#2261 - Posts new reads list - Scum = Snow (calls him out specifically and suggests that he might hammer them), BFG (for remaining calm and trying to see a situation in which they weren't mafia/Loki, and for Sooh sheeping the thread read of Wishleste as scum), Sili (for white knighting them), Mish (doesn't like her suspicions of Talya "and other town").  Loki = Lenlo.  Town = everyone else.

 

#2085 - Snow, Tress, Mish, Sili, Tab

#2176 - Sili, Tab, Mish, Tress (Snow notably not listed as town either)

#2261 - Snow, BFG, Sili, Mish

 

Mish is consistently on all 3. Even though she's solidly town in my book, this is a point against her.

Tab is in the first 2, but then dropped off the last one. not sure what to think about that.

Snow listed on first and last. Not mentioned at all on the second one. This looks bad for him too.

 

I'd be surprised if there wasn't scum in one of these.

[Eldrick4221]

I meant to leave loki out of that sentence. While typing up the post, I realized loki had no relevance to the topic at hand.

 

EBWOP

 

I'd be surprised if she didn't put any of her teammates in her scum lists

[Talya]

Talya - don't disagree with Verbs lack of content, the vote gives me pause and Verbs commenting on that makes me uneasy again. I'm not confident in spew analysis to use that and I haven't seen enough from him yet to get a read independently.

 

He's also in my Loki pool.

 

I'll iso later to try and get an actual opinion.

 

 

 

Google Jason Isaacs, it should come up from a UK computer. It originates from Kermode and Mayos film review.

 

Got to run

 

Ahh...I know the actor, but wasn't sure why you put it there, I see now, lol