Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[Talya]

Oh ok, maybe it was Verb, or I read it wrong, I think I was on the train when I read it, so may have misread. There were other votes at the beginning of the day, but can't remember them.

[John Snow]

BFG and Tress.

 

Who do you want to lynch most in the world and who do you want to lynch least?

[BFG]

Just checked what I can say:

 

I got a result of a watcher, ie I got that certain people visited another person that I did not asked to submit. Other than that I can't give anymore info out. I think it will also mean that those visiting that person all have roles. Other than that, for some reason Kiv wouldn't tell me if that was the person they visited, lol...I tried

This may mean 4 investigative roles - I think tracker/follower was claimed Day 2?

 

Or it's more complicated still :/

[John Snow]

 

Im rather confused at this moment

Snow noticed that Night 1 we had 2 results claimed, Night 2 we had 3 results claimed and concluded that one of the other 2 claimants must be mafia (and lying about their night results).

 

There were actually (at least) 3 investigative results Night 1, but for fairly obvious reasons I didn't want to claim with the Doc dead and this was before the mechanics became 'clearer'

 

I don't know if Tress will confirm that the third action is a cop type

 

 

That's exactly what I read it as. Then I saw your post. 

[Talya]

@Eld and Mish, what were your role on your result. I think I remember Mish saying?

[Talya]

 

Just checked what I can say:I got a result of a watcher, ie I got that certain people visited another person that I did not asked to submit. Other than that I can't give anymore info out. I think it will also mean that those visiting that person all have roles. Other than that, for some reason Kiv wouldn't tell me if that was the person they visited, lol...I tried

This may mean 4 investigative roles - I think tracker/follower was claimed Day 2?Or it's more complicated still :/

Sili's was also investigative, thinking on it I'm not surprised because, the results are screwed.

 

Did you say you didn't give in a name last night BFG? Or was Sooh still around? I'm tired?

[Talya]

Has Kivam given you the ok BFG?

[John Snow]

BFG and Tress.

 

Who do you want to lynch most in the world and who do you want to lynch least?

 

And which read are you more confident of?

[BFG]

BFG and Tress.

 

Who do you want to lynch most in the world and who do you want to lynch least?

I do not want to lynch you, Mish, Eldrick, Tress and maybe Talya, I'm not sure I follow/agree all your reasoning above but I'm willing to accept it for now. If nothing else I doubt she's Loki.

 

For the rest I'm still massively behind in thread and have conflicted thoughts on most people. At this point I've basically decided to skip Day 1 for now since there's no chance I can read the whole thread tonight. I'll ISO where necessary.

[BFG]

Has Kivam given you the ok BFG?

Lol yes, but it's a theory that gets me lynched 9 times in 10 (probably)

 

I'm trying to think through the benefits of sharing and if their are any obvious negatives (other than the above)

[John Snow]

 

BFG and Tress.

 

Who do you want to lynch most in the world and who do you want to lynch least?

I do not want to lynch you, Mish, Eldrick, Tress and maybe Talya, I'm not sure I follow/agree all your reasoning above but I'm willing to accept it for now. If nothing else I doubt she's Loki.

 

For the rest I'm still massively behind in thread and have conflicted thoughts on most people. At this point I've basically decided to skip Day 1 for now since there's no chance I can read the whole thread tonight. I'll ISO where necessary.

 

 

I'm asking one name for each. 

[Talya]

 

Im rather confused at this moment

Snow noticed that Night 1 we had 2 results claimed, Night 2 we had 3 results claimed and concluded that one of the other 2 claimants must be mafia (and lying about their night results).There were actually (at least) 3 investigative results Night 1, but for fairly obvious reasons I didn't want to claim with the Doc dead and this was before the mechanics became 'clearer'I don't know if Tress will confirm that the third action is a cop type

Did you mean Doc there?

[Andrej]

I'm not sure how productive the NA discussion is gonna be.

 

There's a few things we know:

 

1) results are mixed

2) targets are potentially mixed

3) some do not receive results even if an action was submitted.

 

That's probably about as much info we are going to get moving ahead until Loki is dead. Without the ability to name the person's in our results there is no way to corroborate them or to check if someone is lying.

 

In short - stop trying to rely on NAs to solve the game. They are convoluted purposely and controlled so that they can't be vetted except to that individual player so there's no guarantee they are telling the truth.

[Talya]

 

Has Kivam given you the ok BFG?

Lol yes, but it's a theory that gets me lynched 9 times in 10 (probably) :unsure:I'm trying to think through the benefits of sharing and if their are any obvious negatives (other than the above)

Ah ok, but don't forget we only have 24 hrs left, lol.

 

If it's to get everyone to say the name they put in, I've tried and only a few came back..

[BFG]

 

BFG and Tress.

 

Who do you want to lynch most in the world and who do you want to lynch least?

 

And which read are you more confident of?

 

Mish > Eldrick/Tress > Snow >>> Talia?/Lenlo?

 

I felt pretty good about Lenlo Day 1, but something's off about the start of Day 2 at the moment.

 

I'm unlikely to be lynching amongst those people at the moment. Lenlo actually has Loki equity imo

[BFG]

 

 

Has Kivam given you the ok BFG?

Lol yes, but it's a theory that gets me lynched 9 times in 10 (probably) :unsure:I'm trying to think through the benefits of sharing and if their are any obvious negatives (other than the above)

 

Ah ok, but don't forget we only have 24 hrs left, lol.

 

If it's to get everyone to say the name they put in, I've tried and only a few came back..

 

Nope, until we know how it works this is risky and the closer mafia/town numbers get the riskier it becomes. There are also a lot of variables.

 

In short we know that roles are mixed up, but we don't know if the targets are, we also don't know who has a role and I think it likely that town and mafia are both in a pool which has the results dished out to (5 investigative roles? One's likely mafia, but Night 1 they all went to town). As numbers decrease the roles become more likely (probability wise) to get distributed to mafia. If the targets AREN'T switched then the mafia can narrow down a PR pool.

[BFG]

 

 

Im rather confused at this moment

Snow noticed that Night 1 we had 2 results claimed, Night 2 we had 3 results claimed and concluded that one of the other 2 claimants must be mafia (and lying about their night results).There were actually (at least) 3 investigative results Night 1, but for fairly obvious reasons I didn't want to claim with the Doc dead and this was before the mechanics became 'clearer'I don't know if Tress will confirm that the third action is a cop type

 

Did you mean Doc there?

 

No, Cory/Key died start of Day 2. I didn't want to claim possibly being a Backup Cop with the Doc dead.

[BFG]

 

 

BFG and Tress.

 

Who do you want to lynch most in the world and who do you want to lynch least?

I do not want to lynch you, Mish, Eldrick, Tress and maybe Talya, I'm not sure I follow/agree all your reasoning above but I'm willing to accept it for now. If nothing else I doubt she's Loki.

 

For the rest I'm still massively behind in thread and have conflicted thoughts on most people. At this point I've basically decided to skip Day 1 for now since there's no chance I can read the whole thread tonight. I'll ISO where necessary.

 

 

I'm asking one name for each.

 

Strongest town Mish

 

Gun to head vote now type vote: Leelou, I didn't like her reaction to my questions the other day, BUT crucially I'm missing most of the game still, and I need to reread the past couple of days to see how much irritation I transferred to see if it's a read I believe in right now.

[BFG]

 

 

Just checked what I can say:I got a result of a watcher, ie I got that certain people visited another person that I did not asked to submit. Other than that I can't give anymore info out. I think it will also mean that those visiting that person all have roles. Other than that, for some reason Kiv wouldn't tell me if that was the person they visited, lol...I tried

This may mean 4 investigative roles - I think tracker/follower was claimed Day 2?Or it's more complicated still :/

 

Sili's was also investigative, thinking on it I'm not surprised because, the results are screwed.

 

Did you say you didn't give in a name last night BFG? Or was Sooh still around? I'm tired?

 

Sorry I meant 4 investigative results left alive. I think follower/tracker was claimed, there's a cop role and you just claimed watcher.

 

We've had cop and investigator flip already

[michellem]

N1 I got a watcher result too. So resultats at least are scrambled.

[Talya]

 

 

 

Has Kivam given you the ok BFG?

Lol yes, but it's a theory that gets me lynched 9 times in 10 (probably) :unsure:I'm trying to think through the benefits of sharing and if their are any obvious negatives (other than the above)

Ah ok, but don't forget we only have 24 hrs left, lol.If it's to get everyone to say the name they put in, I've tried and only a few came back..

Nope, until we know how it works this is risky and the closer mafia/town numbers get the riskier it becomes. There are also a lot of variables.In short we know that roles are mixed up, but we don't know if the targets are, we also don't know who has a role and I think it likely that town and mafia are both in a pool which has the results dished out to (5 investigative roles? One's likely mafia, but Night 1 they all went to town). As numbers decrease the roles become more likely (probability wise) to get distributed to mafia. If the targets AREN'T switched then the mafia can narrow down a PR pool.

 

 

We don't for definate know they went to town...I don't see Eld in your list of townies? So how do you KNOW they went to town?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im rather confused at this moment

Snow noticed that Night 1 we had 2 results claimed, Night 2 we had 3 results claimed and concluded that one of the other 2 claimants must be mafia (and lying about their night results).There were actually (at least) 3 investigative results Night 1, but for fairly obvious reasons I didn't want to claim with the Doc dead and this was before the mechanics became 'clearer'I don't know if Tress will confirm that the third action is a cop type

Did you mean Doc there?

No, Cory/Key died start of Day 2. I didn't want to claim possibly being a Backup Cop with the Doc dead.

But there had already been talk of things mixed up, so why didn't you say anything, we don't know what roles we have. You didn't join us until end of D2.

[Talya]

N1 I got a watcher result too. So resultats at least are scrambled.

I thought you had said what the result you got was. I think you'll find that those who you saw visit person, actually have a role.

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

Has Kivam given you the ok BFG?

Lol yes, but it's a theory that gets me lynched 9 times in 10 (probably) :unsure:I'm trying to think through the benefits of sharing and if their are any obvious negatives (other than the above)

 

Ah ok, but don't forget we only have 24 hrs left, lol.If it's to get everyone to say the name they put in, I've tried and only a few came back..

 

Nope, until we know how it works this is risky and the closer mafia/town numbers get the riskier it becomes. There are also a lot of variables.In short we know that roles are mixed up, but we don't know if the targets are, we also don't know who has a role and I think it likely that town and mafia are both in a pool which has the results dished out to (5 investigative roles? One's likely mafia, but Night 1 they all went to town). As numbers decrease the roles become more likely (probability wise) to get distributed to mafia. If the targets AREN'T switched then the mafia can narrow down a PR pool.

 

 

 

We don't for definate know they went to town...I don't see Eld in your list of townies? So how do you KNOW they went to town?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im rather confused at this moment

Snow noticed that Night 1 we had 2 results claimed, Night 2 we had 3 results claimed and concluded that one of the other 2 claimants must be mafia (and lying about their night results).There were actually (at least) 3 investigative results Night 1, but for fairly obvious reasons I didn't want to claim with the Doc dead and this was before the mechanics became 'clearer'I don't know if Tress will confirm that the third action is a cop type

 

Did you mean Doc there?

 

No, Cory/Key died start of Day 2. I didn't want to claim possibly being a Backup Cop with the Doc dead.

 

But there had already been talk of things mixed up, so why didn't you say anything, we don't know what roles we have. You didn't join us until end of D2.

 

 

 

 

 

BFG and Tress.

 

Who do you want to lynch most in the world and who do you want to lynch least?

 

And which read are you more confident of?

 

Mish > Eldrick/Tress > Snow >>> Talia?/Lenlo?

 

I felt pretty good about Lenlo Day 1, but something's off about the start of Day 2 at the moment.

 

I'm unlikely to be lynching amongst those people at the moment. Lenlo actually has Loki equity imo

 

I don't KNOW they went to town I think it extremely likely. I know my alignment, Mish lead a lynch on mafia and Eldrick seems extremely likely to be town throughout Day 2.

 

 

 

During Day 2 we had one night action to judge off. We KNEW that either results or Actions are being mixed up. I could have been back-up Cop with somebody else target. OR I could have had somebody else results.

[Songstress]

 

Im rather confused at this moment

Snow noticed that Night 1 we had 2 results claimed, Night 2 we had 3 results claimed and concluded that one of the other 2 claimants must be mafia (and lying about their night results).

 

There were actually (at least) 3 investigative results Night 1, but for fairly obvious reasons I didn't want to claim with the Doc dead and this was before the mechanics became 'clearer'

 

I don't know if Tress will confirm that the third action is a cop type

Yes, the result I received was also a cop result. I was extremely confused.

 

It did occur to me that mafia may have a cop to help them find Loki, but I don't think the result I got would have been the mafia's choice to view.

[BFG]

 

 

Im rather confused at this moment

Snow noticed that Night 1 we had 2 results claimed, Night 2 we had 3 results claimed and concluded that one of the other 2 claimants must be mafia (and lying about their night results).

 

There were actually (at least) 3 investigative results Night 1, but for fairly obvious reasons I didn't want to claim with the Doc dead and this was before the mechanics became 'clearer'

 

I don't know if Tress will confirm that the third action is a cop type

 

Yes, the result I received was also a cop result. I was extremely confused.

 

It did occur to me that mafia may have a cop to help them find Loki, but I don't think the result I got would have been the mafia's choice to view.

 

OP says mafia don't know their roles either.

 

The name I received is unlikely to be targeted by mafia, so I think the cop is a town aligned role.