Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[Leelou]

 

 

He definitely has Loki equity. My hang up with him isn't really the Celeste interaction but how Tina is handling him. I think townTina goes a lot harder at Verb here than she has, besides putting him mildly into her scum reads. Her flipping scum doesn't really make him look better imo.

How do you feel about Tina's handling of me?

Not great. She's consistently been calling you scum from D1 that I've seen but hasn't voted you once iirc. Her vote has primarily been on me/Oci until the Celeste wagon built on D2. Haven't gotten to that point yet to see when she actually votes, but I'll definitely be looking for it.

 

 

She never voted me. 

[Verbal32]

 

 

Verbal is breaking my heart.

Sorry, just haven't had time at work like I thought.

Talk to me about Tina.

 

 

The thing that stands out the most is she has pressured you more than she has me, which is usually opposite from normal-Tina.  Usually one of her scumtells is to ignore me or have me as null.  She isn't doing that here (she's kinda ignoring me, but has me as a scum read), so maybe she's trying to remove a scumtell or is actually town.

 

Given the unknown involved with our night actions/roles, I'd probably lean more town than scum on her.  She knows her tendencies re: me as well as we do, so I'm putting more weight to the fact that she's reading me as scum and not town or null.

[Leelou]

 

 

 

Verbal is breaking my heart.

Sorry, just haven't had time at work like I thought.

Talk to me about Tina.

 

 

The thing that stands out the most is she has pressured you more than she has me, which is usually opposite from normal-Tina.  Usually one of her scumtells is to ignore me or have me as null.  She isn't doing that here (she's kinda ignoring me, but has me as a scum read), so maybe she's trying to remove a scumtell or is actually town.

 

Given the unknown involved with our night actions/roles, I'd probably lean more town than scum on her.  She knows her tendencies re: me as well as we do, so I'm putting more weight to the fact that she's reading me as scum and not town or null.

 

 

Right, but if she has me as scum, does she vote me here or some unknown? 

[Andrej]

Just finished the D2 flip and a few pages after, so I'm pretty much all caught up. Lunch will be over in a few so I'll be back to work but I should be able to finish the entire thread today and DL is tomorrow, so I'm in good shape I think. That said I think we need to see more voting activity. There's no real wagon and we're about 27 hours away from DL.

 

Right now I'm WTL Verb or Tina.

 

Verb for consistently floating and having sketchy interactions/logic.

Tina for static reads. Admittedly I am biased here knowing my alignment but I think her D1 vote on Oci was scummy and aligns with how I think she tends to vote as scum. She hasn't really progressed beyond that point and I don't think she gets cleared via the Celeste lynch and putting her L-2.

 

Grays for me currently are Taborline and Talya. I need to read Talya more but I know she's very capable as a wolf so she will be a late game read. Taborline jumped early onto the Celeste wagon but as I noted on D1 she had some strange wording to her posts when talking about them. I would need to ISO to give examples but she mentioned distancing a lot when talking about Celeste or Wish and their interactions with others. Could be TMI. I think Mish's point about her ISO heavy filter is valid. I've seen scum hide behind that sort of thing before. BFG goes here too, for now. Thought Sooh looked okay D1 but I'll reset that read and see what sort of stuff she produces.

 

I don't think players like Lenlo/JS/Eldrick would be teammates with WishLeste.

 

I have my reservations about Tress but I don't think she's teammates with them either. Admittedly this could be more my paranoia than anything but I think back to Darthe's game where she was a SK and came across very townie, so I'm not ruling out 3P for her yet. Gonna need time to flesh her out and I stand by what I said last night that using other player's reads don't justify hers.

 

Mish is probably clear. I'm leaning town on Leelou and if the situation between her and Tina turns out to be w/v I go Tina first the majority of the time.

 

Mish

JS

Eldrick

Lenlo

Leelou

 

Talya

BFG

Taborline

 

Verb

Tina

 

[v]Tina[/v]

[Niniel]

I vote the one I find most scummy and I will continue to do so. 

 

I see that others comments on my "tunnelling" and "static play". I find that as strange as not voting people for being scummy. If/when Oci/AJ turns out mafia, will your oppinions of me change then? In this game I have not voted to get reaction, but people that I believe is mafia. 

 

Why aren´t more people considering voting AJ? 

 

Also, I think I´m becoming Mish here. Doesn´t anyone read my posts? 

 

*Do you think Sooh made a slip?

*Why are people getting worse feelings about Taborline?

[Niniel]

Ninja´d. :(

[Andrej]

Well I don't flip mafia, for one, so that point isn't s good one.

[Andrej]

Tina the problem with your reads are that they aren't very deep and that you haven't moved from most of them. So no, I don't really think it's "townie" that you are voting your "scum reads" when they aren't good ones imo. At the very least o know you are wrong about me.

[Niniel]

Of course you will say that. I will say the same thing to you . I´m not mafia and I´m not Loki. 

[Niniel]

And that will have to be my small contribution for today. Time for bed. 

[michellem]

Get a mafia lynched and people will at least skim your posts, Tina. They'll still be condescending tho :frown:

[Andrej]

What Sooh slip are you talking about anyway?

[John Snow]

[v]John Snow[/v]

 

He's not one of my town reads, which puts him in my WTL. I'm curious how much support this train could get. Who else feels this way?

 

I don't have any compelling reasons to push him besides POE.

 

I know there have been people that have mentioned problems with him, but no one is voting, and I'm curious why.

 

IMO scum would love to ML me, but are too scared to start something. 

 

But that could just be my ego talking. 

[John Snow]

Note: Read scum as anti-town. IE. Loki or mafia for the purposes of this post. 

 

One of Tayla/Tress is 90% scum. ATM I'm prepared to believe Tayla is the townie of the group, but I can guarantee we've got scum there. 

70% certain Verbal and Tabor are scum. 

50% chance AJ/BFG/Tina make up the remaining scum. I'm inclined to say it's not Tina. 

20% Leelou is scum.

 

 

Reasoning on Tayla/Tress. Both claim to have results from last night. I also had results. However, D1 only gave 2 results (Eld/Mish). There's about a 8% chance that Sili got the result and died with it. 

IMO scum's not going to get the townie results, because balance reasons. IMO scum's not going to have info-returning roles either (doesn't make sense to me). 

 

Conclusion: Tayla/Tress/me is lying ~92% of the time. I know I'm town and not lying. Therefore Tayla/Tress is scum. 

 

I have reason to believe Tayla is Vanilla. I don't think mafia would holster an action N1, as Tayla claimed to. I don't think mafia would lie about using actions with the high percentage of at least one watcher/tracker (heimdall). 

 

Happy to be on Verbal/Tabor as well.

 

[uvnote] [v]Tress[/v]

[John Snow]

[unvote] [v]Tress[/v]

 

Because that dyslexia. 

[Kivam]

Vote Count

Talya (1) - Taborline
Tina (1) - Talya
AJ (1) - Tina
John Snow (1) - Eldrick

Tress (1) - John Snow

[Talya]

I vote the one I find most scummy and I will continue to do so. 

 

I see that others comments on my "tunnelling" and "static play". I find that as strange as not voting people for being scummy. If/when Oci/AJ turns out mafia, will your oppinions of me change then? In this game I have not voted to get reaction, but people that I believe is mafia. 

 

Why aren´t more people considering voting AJ? 

 

Also, I think I´m becoming Mish here. Doesn´t anyone read my posts? 

 

*Do you think Sooh made a slip?

*Why are people getting worse feelings about Taborline?

As AJ said, what slip of Sooh's?

 

Why are you concerned about Tab? Who was that aimed at and why not aim that question at relevant people? Looks like you are adding questions to thin air, not drilling into people?

 

 

[v]John Snow[/v]

 

He's not one of my town reads, which puts him in my WTL. I'm curious how much support this train could get. Who else feels this way?

 

I don't have any compelling reasons to push him besides POE.

 

I know there have been people that have mentioned problems with him, but no one is voting, and I'm curious why.

 

 

IMO scum would love to ML me, but are too scared to start something. 

 

But that could just be my ego talking.

Why should people be too scared of you? I think a fair amount of people have you as town?

 

And no one would be scared of your Avi

On that note, just saw a police show (Vera) and she was on it (you know nothing Jon Snow) ...she was a pregnant pyscho!

[Taborline]

Wait, what? How does "One of Tayla/Tress is 90% scum." fit with this:

 

Dear whomever targeted Tayla last night:

I have reason to believe she is VT. 

Good luck and happy hunting. 

 

If this message is directed to you, do yourself and town a favor and don't tell everyone who you are. 

[John Snow]

 

Why should people be too scared of you? I think a fair amount of people have you as town?

 

And no one would be scared of your Avi

On that note, just saw a police show (Vera) and she was on it (you know nothing Jon Snow) ...she was a pregnant pyscho!

 

 

I'd like to think I'm very good at mafia. My ability to solve games lends credence to that theory. 

Also the fact that I was universal town adds to mafia's desire to get rid of me. 

And if you note, at the beginning of D3 there were like 3-4 people trying to nudge my lynch. 

[John Snow]

 

Wait, what? How does "One of Tayla/Tress is 90% scum." fit with this:

 

Dear whomever targeted Tayla last night:

I have reason to believe she is VT. 

Good luck and happy hunting. 

 

If this message is directed to you, do yourself and town a favor and don't tell everyone who you are. 

 

 

If you read my whole post, and put together a couple of intuitive leaps, you might figure it out. 

[Talya]

Note: Read scum as anti-town. IE. Loki or mafia for the purposes of this post. 

 

One of Tayla/Tress is 90% scum. ATM I'm prepared to believe Tayla is the townie of the group, but I can guarantee we've got scum there. 

70% certain Verbal and Tabor are scum. 

50% chance AJ/BFG/Tina make up the remaining scum. I'm inclined to say it's not Tina. 

20% Leelou is scum.

 

 

Reasoning on Tayla/Tress. Both claim to have results from last night. I also had results. However, D1 only gave 2 results (Eld/Mish). There's about a 8% chance that Sili got the result and died with it. 

IMO scum's not going to get the townie results, because balance reasons. IMO scum's not going to have info-returning roles either (doesn't make sense to me). 

 

Conclusion: Tayla/Tress/me is lying ~92% of the time. I know I'm town and not lying. Therefore Tayla/Tress is scum. 

 

I have reason to believe Tayla is Vanilla. I don't think mafia would holster an action N1, as Tayla claimed to. I don't think mafia would lie about using actions with the high percentage of at least one watcher/tracker (heimdall). 

 

Happy to be on Verbal/Tabor as well.

 

[uvnote] [v]Tress[/v]

Not really understanding your logic, there may have been someone else but they never said...on N1, or Dice or Cory could have received something. I'm not saying I am roles but I didn't put a name in N1 but that might also be a reason ( though I doubt it). I think you are assuming a lot. I know I received something.

 

I would like to think that Mafia don't get results, I think it would be unfair.

 

Is this the only reason you think Tress could be Mafia?

 

Why do you think Tina is unlikely to be scum?

 

Why Leelou at 20%

[Andrej]

@Kiv - I voted Tina

[Talya]

 

Why should people be too scared of you? I think a fair amount of people have you as town?

And no one would be scared of your Avi

On that note, just saw a police show (Vera) and she was on it (you know nothing Jon Snow) ...she was a pregnant pyscho!

 

 

I'd like to think I'm very good at mafia. My ability to solve games lends credence to that theory. 

Also the fact that I was universal town adds to mafia's desire to get rid of me. 

And if you note, at the beginning of D3 there were like 3-4 people trying to nudge my lynch.

I see the last part, I was one of them after the end of D2 shenanigans, Though went off it after a read of your ISO.

[John Snow]

 

Note: Read scum as anti-town. IE. Loki or mafia for the purposes of this post. 

 

One of Tayla/Tress is 90% scum. ATM I'm prepared to believe Tayla is the townie of the group, but I can guarantee we've got scum there. 

70% certain Verbal and Tabor are scum. 

50% chance AJ/BFG/Tina make up the remaining scum. I'm inclined to say it's not Tina. 

20% Leelou is scum.

 

 

Reasoning on Tayla/Tress. Both claim to have results from last night. I also had results. However, D1 only gave 2 results (Eld/Mish). There's about a 8% chance that Sili got the result and died with it. 

IMO scum's not going to get the townie results, because balance reasons. IMO scum's not going to have info-returning roles either (doesn't make sense to me). 

 

Conclusion: Tayla/Tress/me is lying ~92% of the time. I know I'm town and not lying. Therefore Tayla/Tress is scum. 

 

I have reason to believe Tayla is Vanilla. I don't think mafia would holster an action N1, as Tayla claimed to. I don't think mafia would lie about using actions with the high percentage of at least one watcher/tracker (heimdall). 

 

Happy to be on Verbal/Tabor as well.

 

[uvnote] [v]Tress[/v]

Not really understanding your logic, there may have been someone else but they never said...on N1, or Dice or Cory could have received something. I'm not saying I am roles but I didn't put a name in N1 but that might also be a reason ( though I doubt it). I think you are assuming a lot. I know I received something.

 

I would like to think that Mafia don't get results, I think it would be unfair.

 

Is this the only reason you think Tress could be Mafia?

 

Why do you think Tina is unlikely to be scum?

 

Why Leelou at 20%

 

 

Forgot about Dice dying N1. Still, Dice or cory is about a 15% chance. Puts it at about 85% chance one of you is lying. 

 

Just my read of her. I'd actually put her in the 20% with Leelou. 

My impression of Leelou combined with some stuff she said N2/D3 gives me the impression she's town. 

[Talya]

JS - you say Verb and Tab 70% wolf? What made you come to that conclusion?