Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

michellem · September 9, 2015

So you think Dice's vig shot got directed to himself?

If the mafia were hunting universal townreads and knew their shot did not get redirected, wouldn't I have been a more logical target? I've shown that town will listen to me. Sili didn't show that yet. Wouldn't I be more of a threat to them?

NOT liking you pushing that angle Tress.

You honestly think you're a bigger threat than Sili or Cory? That's cute.

That's unecessarily condescending, borderlining on rude.

I get that you haven't played with me in a very long time (You know nothing John Snow). When I'm on top of my game, I'm good. In case you didn't notice, I sniffed out Wisheste D1 and managed to get her lynched, I'd also revealed I had an investigative role. Sili had me as scum and them as town until about halfway in D2. Yes, at EOD last day I think I was a bigger threat to mafia than Sili at the time (and Cory was already dead, so I don't know why you're trying to bring that up... I was talking strictly about N2, not N1.). Sili was not a town leader, most had expressed they had problems reading him. Yes, most also had him as town. But I do think I was a bigger threat to mafia last night. So... The only way it makes sense for mafia to choose Sili over me is if they don't know how I am on my good town game. That's... Hmm... You, Tab, Oci(now AJ, who's already shown he has no idea of what I've done this game so far). Fittingly enough, exactly three people. We have 3 more mafia members alive. Oopsie, that was one hell of a slip there Snow. Thanks for making it easy.

Two of the kills have been cory and Sili. It's highly improbable that the mafia NK is being interfered with. Rough math puts it at like ~1%.

This is the second time, at least, that you have brought up the topic of mafia NK not being mixed with everything else. Makes me wonder if that's because you know it isn't.

For the record, I didn't get a result back last night. So something screwy is going on with the actions. I targeted Mish, to confirm what she said about her role. I saw nothing happen.

I didn't get anything back either.

Hey Mish, who did you target N1 again?

I targeted Cory N1. I targeted JS this night.

With Misheru's endorsement of Celeste, I feel it worth noting that Celeste had called on her specifically for thoughts before.

iirc I saw Mish earlier trying to pin Celeste's WK attempt on my slot as w/w

Uhm, what? I don't know what WK means. But you do know I was the first person to push for Wisheste's lynch right?

And Oci's trying to tie me and Celeste together is exactly the reason I started going after them in the first place...

In the middle of checking through Wish's posts for interactions with the remaining living players. There's a lot - on page 3 of 9 in the ISO but I'm exhausted and won't finish tonight. Will see if I have time in the morning but with my new work schedule I have to get up an hour earlier and I'm not very good with brain in the mornings.

The biggest thing that stood out to me so far is her hyper-buddying of Lenlo D1.

More subtly, when Cory suggested if he had 3 shots he'd shoot Verb, Pral and Taborline, she classified them as inactive and asked why Cory thought they were scummy - then when Lenlo talked about getting rid of the inactives, she specifically noted herself, Taborline, Pral "and others (?)" and resisted the notion as not giving them enough time to prove they were town, and not giving enough information. We know Pral was town - was she defending Tab here?

Taborline's reaction to John Snow's vote right at the start of day struck me as a guilty conscience, and I'm starting to question my town read on her. I'll try to look through more as time permits, to see if any other interactions catch my eye.

Really need more from Verbal, ASAP. BFG and AJ have a little grace period to catch up as replacements in my opinion.

Tab has been bothering me more and more, and this + what I replied to Snow at the top here reinforces it. I've only seen her in other game, the HP game, but I feel like her game there was 10x better than here. She went for it there, she went straight at Alanna several times, she tried to #solve and contribute. Here, all I see her do is ISO's. Very little real time interactions. No sticking her neck out. Nada.

Also read last night that on D2 Tab admired to targeting Cory. I had missed it before and no one else had picked it up...I'm on phone at work but it's around page 86.

I can't see why she would admit to that if wolf?

I had already admitted to targeting Cory if I remember the timeline correctly?

I'm not liking Leelou's play at all. She has contributed very little, and it seems that it going to continue for the foreseeable future. I sincerely hope that she isn't town, cuz this is hurting us if she is. I'm not seeing Town!Leelou at all this game, and she is firmly in my WTL

I think mafiaLee would've done more at this point. I'm gonna leave her be until the 15th (I think she said she'd have better time then), and then if she doesn't step up it'll be serious scrutiny.

Kivam · September 9, 2015

Vote Count

Taborline (1) - John Snow

BFG · September 9, 2015

Sorry guys, RL is a little too real at the moment. Hopefully I'll be able to spend some time here tonight.

BFG · September 9, 2015

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/95348-ragnarok-game-thread-n2/page-123?do=findComment&comment=3543721

Leelou can you explain what it was you didn't like about Tina's list?

Yeah, they were all easy scum reads. Verb isn't really around, so he's coming off scummy. Cat was acting all weird, so easy scum read. I poked the CoryBear and made a read from it and people didn't really understand it, so I was scummy. Then there was wisheleste that was actually scum and the only scum read I was comfortable agreeing with her on.

Ok, the point is that there are 4 mafia and Loki.

Tina had 5 people she doesn't think are town, 4 mafia - Oci, you, Wishleste, Verb, 1 'null' - me

You have 6 people you don't think are town, 2 red - Tina, Wishleste, 1 orange - me, 3 'null' - Verb, Tabor, Ocicat.

Essentially swap the 2 of you and add Tabor to your list and you are suspicious of the same people. You have the same town reads, excluding the 2 of you and Tabor. So why is Tinas list 'safe' compared to yours?

Talya · September 9, 2015

@ Mish - I wasn't talking about you, I can't remember if you said who you targeted. I was talking about Tab. JS I think quoted her quote

michellem · September 9, 2015

I know Talya. My point was, I think before Tab said she targeted Cory, I had already said in thread that I targeted Cory N1. So since I'd already said so in thread, then it would be easier for her to say the same. Makes sense?

Taborline · September 9, 2015

I know Talya. My point was, I think before Tab said she targeted Cory, I had already said in thread that I targeted Cory N1. So since I'd already said so in thread, then it would be easier for her to say the same. Makes sense?

I targeted Cory because I was unsure about him.

michellem · September 9, 2015

Still not my point, but whatever.

Taborline · September 9, 2015

I'm not liking Leelou's play at all. She has contributed very little, and it seems that it going to continue for the foreseeable future. I sincerely hope that she isn't town, cuz this is hurting us if she is. I'm not seeing Town!Leelou at all this game, and she is firmly in my WTL

How would you describe Leelou's town play normally?

Taborline · September 9, 2015

Still not my point, but whatever.

I don't see why you have to be rude, I was just explaining why I did what I did as it was being questioned.

michellem · September 9, 2015

I'm sorry, it wasn't ment to be rude! :) It was trying to communicate I wasn't even sure what was being talked about anymore.

Taborline · September 9, 2015

Ah, okay! :) Thank you, Mish.

I am going to go back and look at Eld and Sooh, as they were the last on my null reads.

Niniel · September 9, 2015

So I started reading from D2. I have kind of skimmed the thread to see what people said about WishCeleste and if/when they voted them. It´s quiet possible that I missed something, especially in the end since it were a lot of posts to read. When refering to D1, I have only used Tress´ chart. I have not gone back to see what people said about WishCeleste. I should do that but don´t want to now after reading over 50 pages.

Mish: Had WiCi as mafia on D1. Was the first to case WiCe during D2 (#1656), later made a case for them as Loki (#1915). Was the second to vote them after Sili. (Who voted, unvoted and voted again later. Definitely not on their team.

Taborline: Had WiCi as mafia on D1. In #1818 she answers a question from Wish, but later votes her #2002. Saying that her instincts hasn´t change. I would say that she is not on their team but I see others are questioning her. Why is that? Show me a recent post or write a new one.

Lenlo: The first to question WiCi´s rb claim. Later votes them. Don´t think he is on their team.

Leelou: Questions WiCi around the time Lenlo did. Asks a lot of good questions. I would say that her posts are townie. Which is tough since I don´t think she looked townie at all before this. Would Leelou buss this way?

Tina: Had WiCi as mafia on D1. Had them in her read since then. Had planned to re-read WiCi´s list but never got the time. Voted WiCi when she got back. I´m talking about myself in third person. :D

Eldrick: Votes WiCi in #2285. Had earlier voted Oci, Lenlo and Verb. (Not complaining about Oci or Verb.) What is odd is that he talks about Lenlo might being Loki after voting WiCi, which I don´t understand. Don´t see him trying to stop WiCi´s lynch (actually voting there) but could be bussing?

Snow: Had WiCi as mafia on D1. Don´t post at all but comes in and hammer. Seems to have too much information. Says he think they are a certain character, which they turned out to be. WiCe had earlier predicted that he would come in and hammer.

Verb: wasn´t there at all.

Oci: wasn´t there at all.

Talya: Seemed to not be willing to vote WiCi. In #1656 she said she liked Celeste better than Wish and that she needed to re-read. In #2014 she is uneasy by Sooh and WishC being in everyones wolf lists. She tries to explain that in #2061 but I can´t say that I understand that explanation. It´s first after WiCi is at L-1 that she starts to question them (but then doing it in many posts). She never votes them. I don´t like this at all. It could be that she was away when most action happened (like the rest of us Europeans) but it really looks like she did everything to not vote them.

Sooh: Didn´t vote WiCi. In #1912 she says that it could be that she doesn´t know them well that explains why she has Oci and WiCi in orange. As I posted earlier she later said (#2000) that they were orange because others though so and that it seemed like the entire town thought they were scummy. Again - is this a slip? Said she needed to re-read. Then she dropped out and AJ didn´t replace in until after the lynch.

Tress: In #1927 she said that she had been uncomfortable with WiCi since D2 started and that they were good candidates for a lynch. In #1932 she says that Mish dropped the cultleader talk but WiCi didn´t. In #2121 she agrees with Lenlo that it´s wrong of WiCi to just assume that Loki has a nk. All of this looks good but she never votes.

Okay, let me know what you think about this. Now I need to combine this with my earlier reads and what WiCi said about others. It have taken me some time to find this so I will take a pause and try to come back in the evening.

Talya · September 9, 2015

Ahh..ok Mish. You might have said it, I've forgotten. Am suffering from a bad headache for last couple of days and brains doesn't want to work.

Talya · September 9, 2015

You forgot to say I had them low on D1 and voted them, but you mention it for others. So not such a thorough job. Also I said I was liking Wish at one point more than Celeste. You got that wrong. I had them as wolf D1 and come in D2 and suddenly they seem to be everyone's bottom. So I questioned it, I also explained why I didn't vote, which you have also missed out. Setting me up here or what?

Leelou · September 9, 2015

So I started reading from D2. I have kind of skimmed the thread to see what people said about WishCeleste and if/when they voted them. It´s quiet possible that I missed something, especially in the end since it were a lot of posts to read. When refering to D1, I have only used Tress´ chart. I have not gone back to see what people said about WishCeleste. I should do that but don´t want to now after reading over 50 pages.

Mish: Had WiCi as mafia on D1. Was the first to case WiCe during D2 (#1656), later made a case for them as Loki (#1915). Was the second to vote them after Sili. (Who voted, unvoted and voted again later. Definitely not on their team.

Taborline: Had WiCi as mafia on D1. In #1818 she answers a question from Wish, but later votes her #2002. Saying that her instincts hasn´t change. I would say that she is not on their team but I see others are questioning her. Why is that? Show me a recent post or write a new one.

Lenlo: The first to question WiCi´s rb claim. Later votes them. Don´t think he is on their team.

Leelou: Questions WiCi around the time Lenlo did. Asks a lot of good questions. I would say that her posts are townie. Which is tough since I don´t think she looked townie at all before this. Would Leelou buss this way?

Tina: Had WiCi as mafia on D1. Had them in her read since then. Had planned to re-read WiCi´s list but never got the time. Voted WiCi when she got back. I´m talking about myself in third person. :D

Eldrick: Votes WiCi in #2285. Had earlier voted Oci, Lenlo and Verb. (Not complaining about Oci or Verb.) What is odd is that he talks about Lenlo might being Loki after voting WiCi, which I don´t understand. Don´t see him trying to stop WiCi´s lynch (actually voting there) but could be bussing?

Snow: Had WiCi as mafia on D1. Don´t post at all but comes in and hammer. Seems to have too much information. Says he think they are a certain character, which they turned out to be. WiCe had earlier predicted that he would come in and hammer.

Verb: wasn´t there at all.

Oci: wasn´t there at all.

Talya: Seemed to not be willing to vote WiCi. In #1656 she said she liked Celeste better than Wish and that she needed to re-read. In #2014 she is uneasy by Sooh and WishC being in everyones wolf lists. She tries to explain that in #2061 but I can´t say that I understand that explanation. It´s first after WiCi is at L-1 that she starts to question them (but then doing it in many posts). She never votes them. I don´t like this at all. It could be that she was away when most action happened (like the rest of us Europeans) but it really looks like she did everything to not vote them.

Sooh: Didn´t vote WiCi. In #1912 she says that it could be that she doesn´t know them well that explains why she has Oci and WiCi in orange. As I posted earlier she later said (#2000) that they were orange because others though so and that it seemed like the entire town thought they were scummy. Again - is this a slip? Said she needed to re-read. Then she dropped out and AJ didn´t replace in until after the lynch.

Tress: In #1927 she said that she had been uncomfortable with WiCi since D2 started and that they were good candidates for a lynch. In #1932 she says that Mish dropped the cultleader talk but WiCi didn´t. In #2121 she agrees with Lenlo that it´s wrong of WiCi to just assume that Loki has a nk. All of this looks good but she never votes.

Okay, let me know what you think about this. Now I need to combine this with my earlier reads and what WiCi said about others. It have taken me some time to find this so I will take a pause and try to come back in the evening.

I know I'm biased, but no. That is not how I buss.

I'm leaning a bit towards voting Snow right now. A few things about him are not sitting right.

BFG - I'll answer you in a bit. I want more time to answer you properly.

michellem · September 9, 2015

Really, now is the time for townies to start broadcasting your alignement. There's too many nulls and hard to read. Don't be worried about how you might come off... Just post, take stances, show that you aren't afraid to get some heat. There's still to many people I feel uncertain off. Do your best to interact in real time. It's time to work together. We've gotten one mafia down, but there's still 3 to go + Loki. We mustn't forget about Loki either; he needs to be dead for town to be able to win. And we need normal control over our roles soon.

If anyone has any doubts about me, or something they want my thoughts on, now's the time to ask me questions. I'll be around regularly for a couple of hours at least (while making a colour chart over my colour pencils, lol)

Leelou · September 9, 2015

Hi Mish

michellem · September 9, 2015

Hi Lee! How's you today?

Leelou · September 9, 2015

Hi Lee! How's you today?

Eh. Having technical difficulties. You?

Talya · September 9, 2015

I'm here

Talya · September 9, 2015

And no one else is...there's a surprise!

wish-tree · September 9, 2015

Hi <3

Ghost lurking itc

Andrej · September 9, 2015

Gonna try to read as I go today. I'm hoping to get caught up in full within the next day or two but that depends on how many pages get added while I'm still behind.

Talya · September 9, 2015

Ahhh a ghost, or my eyes are deceiving me, lol

Hey AJ, how are you finding the read so far?

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