[Advanced] The Usual Suspects Mafia - GAME OVER - COPS WIN

[Zander?]

[v]Zephyroth[/v]

 

well i cant say i dont like the name....lolololololol

 

 

 

 

Wombles, I'm not convinced you're the best lynch for the day, but you've literally done nothing this game.  I'm seen you do these little empty quotes as both town as mafia so that means nothing towards your algnment, but you always do SOMETHING to actually build off.  Even that post about Mish is close ended (for lack of a better word).  Nobody can argue whether you really like it or not.  

 

What do you want me to be arguing about right now?  The only controversy I see in this thread atm is the Kiv thing and I've made my opinion quite clear on that.

 

 

Who is mafia and why.

 

 

Zander, for pushing an inane angle against Kiv.  Beyond that, I have my eyes on Talya and Hally.

 

 

its only inane until its proven wrong right. everyone thought i was wrong on Yates and Sili in SW....yourself included.  i listed numerous reasons why i placed my vote there, so im fine with it.  so glgl. i play the play.  i read people the way i read people.  Zander's gonna Zander.

[Zander?]

ebwop:

 

i play the way i play.

[WWWwombat]

I thought you were wrong because I didn't see 2 remaining scum knowing I was a survivor.

[Zander?]

I thought you were wrong because I didn't see 2 remaining scum knowing I was a survivor.

 

which is all fine man. but you're missing my point.  you're voting me for my "inane" read on Kivish,  yet ive made "inane" reads before.  which by your answer here makes my SW case on Yates/Sili for example even more inane so you can hopefully see why im not fully following your reasoning here.i hope.

[Kaylee]

 

 

It's there Kiv...I edited

No worries - I just know that when I mod, I work from the last VC forward, and in a game this big it would be easy to miss

That's what I do also.

[wish-tree]

Massive post inc. I apologize for not posting today. I'm leaving for a retreat tomorrow, so had to pack and organize the house.

 

Btw. I'm actually very aggressive. Therefore, I have thrown out multiple questions I have. Please answer them all :3

 

 

One more time with feeling: i made no accusation against Pral. I prodded him to participate because if he happens to be scum this game, i want content to analyze. If I haven't made this clear enough in this and other threads, I DON'T BELIEVE IN META. Good players can stay consistent across alignment and bad players will get caught making mistakes with or without meta on them. Other than wanting to know if particular arguments are out of character for a player (if i start advocating no lynch D1, there's something weird going on), things like affect and tone are meaningless to me, because they can be faked so easily Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

I don't see how the bold isn't a complete lie.  

 

 

Since nobody is doing anything ... [v]Pralaya[/v].  If my memory is right, he likes to lurk as scum, and hasn't checked in yet.  Pral, where're you at?  Start laying some content down.

 

 

That was your vote and explanation.  You could have just voted him and made a comment like "Come out and play" and left it there.  You deliberately pointed out that you associate him with lurking as mafia, and you point out that he's not being active.  You didn't say, "I think Pral is scum", but I think there's a pretty clear insinuation in that post.

 

Ehhh....

I do this, so I have no problem with it. I vote people to make them nervous. What's wrong with it?

I do see the possibility of scum prodding a teammate though, because I've also done that before as scum. That's likely.

 

I'm afraid I'm just speed reading tonight, hopefully I'll have chance to dig in tomorrow .

So early on Hallia, Lenlo, Celeste, Seph, AJ, Sili, wish-tree and Talya are all sounding relaxed

Sili's looking pretty good for the immediate focus in game play. Slight disconnect in that he catches Sanders 'peek' as being out of character, but misses(?) that it's on his hydra.

Shad, Kivam both sounding less relaxed, but likely due to out of game stuff?

From the straight 'tone' side of things I suspect that being relaxed in thread has more relation to alignment for wish-tree and Celeste given that they're new here (welcome btw!)

Lenlo feels a bit snippy in his response to Sili about game related comments and then misses the hydra 'peek' as well.

(waves back through time to Zander and Sili)

(also Laine! )

Mish's reaction to Laine is null at this point. Kivam's logic is a little one sided, given that he leaves out their obvious benefit to town.

Hallia's vote is probably a good look, but the reasons are a little odd, she votes Kivam because of his 'follow through' vote and Mish because of her reaction to Laines 'follow through' vote.

I don't really understand Ravens confusion here though, if Hallia found them both scummy independent of each other why wouldn't she say so?

I'll admit imp feeling a little bogged down in this argument so will come back to it with a clearer head tomorrow.

Zander arguing against the votes on Laine probably makes them unlikely to be mafia teammates this game, since I think Zander would be more self conscious about doing it again after Belichick (particularly given this is his first(?) game since).

In answer to Celeste:

Town (by a lot!)
Team (I rely on other peoples reads to help ground mine a lot of the time)
At the moment I'll be happy with not hindering. I'm better in smaller games where I convince myself that nitpicking into insignificant details will somehow reveal the entire mafia team...
For myself play it safe/straight
I think a couple of years now
Town/mafia, but villager/wolf is probably only a matter of time

Also as a side you probably don't want to believe any of the people telling you they're not good at mafia

So about half way caught up; Hallia, Sili are looking the best so far, and Wish-tree/Celeste also seeming relaxed on thread.

 

Yay! So you guys do tone reads here? Are those reliable at all?

 

In general the thread still feels mostly fluffy apart from some largely alignment null discussion about hydra's. I need to take a look to see if it's a few people that keep going back to the fluff. Having said that game's still only 12 hours old, so probably another null point anyway





Also I'm flagging (near 2am), but I want to catch up before I actually sleep :)

Yepppp. It has been fluffy so far from what I've read.

 

 

I have a mild concern about a player but I am not going to air it out yet

 

The player I was concerned about was BFG.

At the time BFG had made a single post:

 

Good morning :)

 

Innocuous enough. I think this is about ~8 AM her time, so a checking in before work/whatever type deal. I expected she'd post a couple of times and chat around before her volume dropped off, as she's been very comfortable and very involved in her last handful of villager games. 

 

Nothing followed this. Again, not going to condemn someone who could be having a busy morning, IDK what people's IRL deals are, whatever. But it reminded me of something I had mentally noted down in 9 to 5 mafia when I was her mafia partner for a day (she subbed out around ~n1) - BFG has some trouble naturally interacting in real time with people as Mafia. IDK if it's just that little trigger in your brain that looks over a post and goes "should I post?" not hitting out of some weird self-consciousness, but I remember it there, and I remember in the one day I was playing with her I was making sure to talk to her ITT and give her lines to pursue because she wasn't really moving on her own volition.

 

She was more active in a different Mafia game - AH's Pokemon game - and I am going to look it over when I get time, but even know her contribution is one "larger" more succinct reads posts where she discusses various things (#582) but again is not really interested in communicating openly and in real-time. Reminds me a lot of Cass tbh - assumes people will find a wall of words / reads villagery and leave it alone for some time, but lacks the minute-by-minute commitment and willingness to relax and discuss ITT.

 

Not a condemnation and I want to to chew on it some more but if I would guess this is Mafia!BFG more often than Town!BFG by a fair margin.

 

LOLOLOLOLOL

I'm sorry...why would you analyze the stuffing out of a simple good morning post? I guess I could take what you know of BFG's meta for granted, but this seems kind of... weak. (Apart from the meta. And let's see here... I know nothing. (hi John Snow <3) So let's say that I'm not going to use it to read people.)

 

 

 

 

One more time with feeling: i made no accusation against Pral. I prodded him to participate because if he happens to be scum this game, i want content to analyze. If I haven't made this clear enough in this and other threads, I DON'T BELIEVE IN META. Good players can stay consistent across alignment and bad players will get caught making mistakes with or without meta on them. Other than wanting to know if particular arguments are out of character for a player (if i start advocating no lynch D1, there's something weird going on), things like affect and tone are meaningless to me, because they can be faked so easily Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

I don't see how the bold isn't a complete lie.  

 

 

Since nobody is doing anything ... [v]Pralaya[/v].  If my memory is right, he likes to lurk as scum, and hasn't checked in yet.  Pral, where're you at?  Start laying some content down.

 

 

That was your vote and explanation.  You could have just voted him and made a comment like "Come out and play" and left it there.  You deliberately pointed out that you associate him with lurking as mafia, and you point out that he's not being active.  You didn't say, "I think Pral is scum", but I think there's a pretty clear insinuation in that post.

 

Also something to note is that Pral wasn't the only player that hadn't checked in at the time either.  So it's interesting that Kivam singles him out.

 

Hmm. I like this. Kivam singling Pral out is something that is suspicious. Not for the reasons Clov says, though.

 

 

That was around 8.40am my time and I needed to get to work, I've since been out all day/evening

 

 

Yup. Please don't bring in real life meta to scum-read people. I dislike that a lot. I've been hammered because of that, and it sucks.

 

 

hi DM

 

um im still getting used to the layout, the post quotes, and everyone's pretty faces so i might need a little bit

 

my name is Beck, feel free to ask me any questions

 

and i'm off to work so i'll be poking my head in throughout the day

 

So I'm home from work and am trying to catch up while cooking dinner but for every post I read I feel like two more are added.

 

I've noticed, too that we're playing with parents - that's cool, I hope to still be playing Mafia when I've had children. Anyway. My apologies, Kiv, for being a Jets fan. :P

 

Anyway, so yeah. I'm still getting used to this forum and everyone, and these hydras are throwing my head for a whirl. But I'm also getting used to it. (At least this forum is only 20ppp.)

 

- I've noticed there's a lot of friendly small-talk and jokes here without a lot of agressive retorts. Some forums I've played at will take "jokes" very seriously and it's lame. So that's nice.

- Some players seem to like to comment on everything they can, which isn't alignment indicative, just a play-style. But I enjoy concise posts, more often than not I've found scum in long posts trying to steer thought.

- Cory is a pretty popular guy.

- Interesting back and forth between Kiv and keyholder a few pages ago? Like it's agressive but then apologetic? Kiv, why the removal so suddenly?

 

 

I love when I'm trying to make a post and it says "30 new posts".

 

Seriously.

 

But dinner is about done, I'll be back soon to conclude catching up.

 

 

 

 Worth noting on the same line of thought I have played ~1 game with Beck where he was a villager and I remember him being far more relaxed and conversation then he's been in this game

I don't want to BOX HIM OUT because I get this might be a culture-related jump but the Mafia Universe game was also with several people, was content-heavy AND had many unfamiliar faces, and he had little problem adjusting and making intelligent posts there

 

 

 

xD Beck meta? Though he's never played on this site before. I think he replaces out ten pages later or smth. Not sure what to think of Beck. Lurky, posts pretty much nothing. Seems bored.

[wish-tree]

 

That was around 8.40am my time and I needed to get to work, I've since been out all day/evening

 

Well you've been back for a bit to catch up on the thread and you're still going with WoT "here are my reads" catch-ups rather than presenting your reads as they come in and interacting with people around in a meaningful way

 

Back in the day Despot told me something about reading you through how you present your WoTs and discuss but I don't remember what he said

 

And I feel like that's not really even your villager style nowadays anyway

 

What is a WoT? Is it what I'm doing atm?

Hmm...what is wrong with doing WoTs, and what's the difference between that and interacting with people? Is it because the WoTs could be preprepared?

 

 

Also something to note is that Pral wasn't the only player that hadn't checked in at the time either.  So it's interesting that Kivam singles him out.

 

I actually didn't think about that.  I'd have to check to see who else hadn't posted yet, but this could be a very helpful observation for later.

 

Why for later?

 

 

Yates, are you caught up?

Yes. NOW I'm caught up. I knew if I didn't put in some overtime I'd be in eternal catch up mode. Screw that noise.

 

What was your problem with Bewbs? I'm thinking about sheeping her and Hally onto Kivam.

 

....Is Bewbs Nyn? Does Yates want to make her and Hally vote Kivam?

 

I mean Ocicat/John Snow are yet to check in at this moment

 

I don't really know how relevant that is to making a read or how "helpful" that observation would be

 

In either alignment I could see Kiv pointing out Pral not posting because Pral has such a known habit of missing long stretches

 

Doesn't make the action itself any better, but if you asked me "who's a player that hasn't posted yet?" he would come to mind first just because of the association

Is lurking usually scummy? If so, why is Kiv pointing out Pral not posting bad? Maybe he should prod each player next time with a vote who is lurking. ^^

 

 

 

That was around 8.40am my time and I needed to get to work, I've since been out all day/evening

 

Well you've been back for a bit to catch up on the thread and you're still going with WoT "here are my reads" catch-ups rather than presenting your reads as they come in and interacting with people around in a meaningful way

 

Back in the day Despot told me something about reading you through how you present your WoTs and discuss but I don't remember what he said

 

And I feel like that's not really even your villager style nowadays anyway

 

I was going to try something new and try to establish my reads in a more alanna/bfg sort of way. I really am trying to clear up the confusion that I can sometimes cause .

but maybe it is a bad idea after reading this /:

 

What is an alanna/bfg way? Why is this a bad idea?

 

 

 

Yates, are you caught up?

Yes. NOW I'm caught up. I knew if I didn't put in some overtime I'd be in eternal catch up mode. Screw that noise.

 

What was your problem with Bewbs? I'm thinking about sheeping her and Hally onto Kivam.

 

 

Think early on in HoC - I associate Town!Nyn with being incredibly committed to her reads and genuinely pushing them.  It's not uncommon for her to write multiple paragraphs at a time trying to push somebody and explain her side.  She barely said a sentence in a half between two or three posts where she pushed Kivam.  I wanted to see how committed she was to it and how much effort she actually made in explaining herself.

 

 

So, is Nyn not acting like she usually does? Is that bad?

 

 

Also something to note is that Pral wasn't the only player that hadn't checked in at the time either.  So it's interesting that Kivam singles him out.

 

I actually didn't think about that.  I'd have to check to see who else hadn't posted yet, but this could be a very helpful observation for later.

 

 

This seriously just rings false in my head

 

 

Yeahhh. I like you.

[wish-tree]

NOOOO

I lost it!!!!

 

It ate it!

[John Snow]

@Cory: Not trying to single you out for anything other than being the top poster in a game that is way too bloated.  I just spent about 4 hours catching up on a game that has had only 2 semi-serious wagons but over 1000 replies.

 

This. So Much. 

 

Hence why I say the ball isn't rolling. 

[wish-tree]

Erm....

Okay.

I don't want to requote all of that and comment snarkily on things I find interesting...

 

Should I? I don't know if it's better to catch up if I missed anything important, or just get you guys to tell me.

 

Explain to me like I'm five and drunk (very illegal, I know. Don't arrest me :P).

[Clovdyx]

 

It was this post, Cory.

 

Hally, I think that means you have to a

Stay and share.

Hally,real quick. Are you town?

 

And kiv, grudges man... they don't belong in this game. If your town, I don't want any clouded judgement, or a vendetta here.

all it does is cloud things up.for the whole game, so please please dont...

 

It just read increidbly awkward to me.  He's making a joke to Hallia, and then immediately turns around and asks if she's town.  It's like he wants to show that he's comfortable with her but then acts like he's not.  

 

But tbh, it's probably more about Zander than Seph at this point.  I feel his actual contribution to the game doesn't match the amount of posts he has and is just trying to remain visible

 

seriously clov???  you read star wars or mass effect man?  i post a lot and no not all of it is game related.  but as you know im more of a gut player.  im comfortable with everyone as you also know away from mafia.  im not great sometimes with how i word stuff but meh i do my best.

 

i think my problem is while others who dont knnow me may have some of thess concerns i feel like you know the difference.

 

 

Actually, no.  I wasn't in mass effect, and while I was in Star Wars, I don't know how you started that game at all - it was 1600 posts in before I subbed.  I saw how you closed out though, and while you weren't always on topic, you definitely hammered your point home.  I don't know if town wins that game without you jumping up and town to get your point across. 

 

I can't fault you for not being THAT adamant yet - it's a day into the game - but I fully expect you would have done something besides fluff and throw out some seemingly empty +1's at this point. 

[Clovdyx]

Ehhh....

I do this, so I have no problem with it. I vote people to make them nervous. What's wrong with it?

I do see the possibility of scum prodding a teammate though, because I've also done that before as scum. That's likely.

 

 

What's wrong with voting people to "make them nervous"?  Literally nothing.

 

What's wrong with voting people in a way that suggests one read, and then later denying having that read and getting defensive about multiple people making that conclusion while simultaneously changing your reasoning for voting them?  Literally everything.

[wish-tree]

 

 

 

One more time with feeling: i made no accusation against Pral. I prodded him to participate because if he happens to be scum this game, i want content to analyze. If I haven't made this clear enough in this and other threads, I DON'T BELIEVE IN META. Good players can stay consistent across alignment and bad players will get caught making mistakes with or without meta on them. Other than wanting to know if particular arguments are out of character for a player (if i start advocating no lynch D1, there's something weird going on), things like affect and tone are meaningless to me, because they can be faked so easily Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

I don't see how the bold isn't a complete lie.  

 

 

Since nobody is doing anything ... [v]Pralaya[/v].  If my memory is right, he likes to lurk as scum, and hasn't checked in yet.  Pral, where're you at?  Start laying some content down.

 

 

That was your vote and explanation.  You could have just voted him and made a comment like "Come out and play" and left it there.  You deliberately pointed out that you associate him with lurking as mafia, and you point out that he's not being active.  You didn't say, "I think Pral is scum", but I think there's a pretty clear insinuation in that post.

 

Also something to note is that Pral wasn't the only player that hadn't checked in at the time either.  So it's interesting that Kivam singles him out.

 

Good point. Could be teamed. Better reasoning that Clov's. :P

 

 

Also something to note is that Pral wasn't the only player that hadn't checked in at the time either.  So it's interesting that Kivam singles him out.

 

I actually didn't think about that.  I'd have to check to see who else hadn't posted yet, but this could be a very helpful observation for later.

 

Why not now?

 

 

I mean Ocicat/John Snow are yet to check in at this moment

 

I don't really know how relevant that is to making a read or how "helpful" that observation would be

 

In either alignment I could see Kiv pointing out Pral not posting because Pral has such a known habit of missing long stretches

 

Doesn't make the action itself any better, but if you asked me "who's a player that hasn't posted yet?" he would come to mind first just because of the association

 

Really?  After our discussion yesterday, you don't see how Kivam - specifically - singling out one inactive (who he admits to having minimal experience with) while there were others he could have mentioned could be worth noting for once there are some flips?

 

You didn't bring up that point :P Razen did.

[wish-tree]

 

Ehhh....

I do this, so I have no problem with it. I vote people to make them nervous. What's wrong with it?

I do see the possibility of scum prodding a teammate though, because I've also done that before as scum. That's likely.

 

 

What's wrong with voting people to "make them nervous"?  Literally nothing.

 

What's wrong with voting people in a way that suggests one read, and then later denying having that read and getting defensive about multiple people making that conclusion while simultaneously changing your reasoning for voting them?  Literally everything.

 

Thanks for replying so quickly <3

So, to recap:

1) Because Kivam only voted one person, Pral, that indicates he read Pral as scum.

2) Since Kivam denied that he ever read Pral as scum, saying that it was just the way his mind worked at that time, and it was subjective, he essentially denied the read.

3) ...What was his original reasoning, and what did he change it to? Pretty sure original was prod, right? What was the changed reasoning?

[Clovdyx]

It's not relevant now because it's an associative "read" (not really a read, but I don't have a better way of explaining it without REALLY explaining it)

 

The conversation in question was a Skype conversation between Cory and me that occurred before this game was randed.  I won't go into the nature of said conversation right now (no, I will not explain this further), but I think he will vouch that my reasoning made sense.

[wish-tree]

#INFP gonna #INFP

 

You shouldn't be readings posts that I spoiler for specific people anyway

 

HONOR RULES

You MBTI/Jung too? <3

*shameless plug for home site*

 

Guess what I am. If you guess right, you get a cookie.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

Ehhh....

I do this, so I have no problem with it. I vote people to make them nervous. What's wrong with it?

I do see the possibility of scum prodding a teammate though, because I've also done that before as scum. That's likely.

 

 

What's wrong with voting people to "make them nervous"?  Literally nothing.

 

What's wrong with voting people in a way that suggests one read, and then later denying having that read and getting defensive about multiple people making that conclusion while simultaneously changing your reasoning for voting them?  Literally everything.

 

Thanks for replying so quickly <3

So, to recap:

1) Because Kivam only voted one person, Pral, that indicates he read Pral as scum.

2) Since Kivam denied that he ever read Pral as scum, saying that it was just the way his mind worked at that time, and it was subjective, he essentially denied the read.

3) ...What was his original reasoning, and what did he change it to? Pretty sure original was prod, right? What was the changed reasoning?

 

 

No, it has nothing to do with him voting Pral.  The vote itself I don't care about.  It's the fact he said "I have seen Pral lurk before as mafia" and voted him for not being around.  If Kiv was just voting him to "summon" Pral, so to speak, then why bother mentioning he's seen Pral do it as mafia?  Just vote him and see if he responds, and treat Pral's inactivity as null (which it is).

 

TL;DR - context suggests pushing for a meta of being a quiet mafia, Kivam denies that and says it was only for a response.

[wish-tree]

It's not relevant now because it's an associative "read" (not really a read, but I don't have a better way of explaining it without REALLY explaining it)

 

The conversation in question was a Skype conversation between Cory and me that occurred before this game was randed.  I won't go into the nature of said conversation right now (no, I will not explain this further), but I think he will vouch that my reasoning made sense.

Okay.

What's relevant now, then? Or do I have to go back and find it myself? .-.

If I understand correctly, there are two bandwagons. One's on Kivish, and the other is on Sephder.

[BFG]

So Snow's list seems more reasonable, but I'm not understanding Nolder on there, Nolder's catch up posts from this morning didn't have a whole lot of analysis in them, but I agree with the momentum. Thread doesn't feel bitty as such, bit there seems to be a stronger focus on small arguments than I would expect. I don't know if it's just a consequence of a larger game though.

 

Pral's catch up seems narrow(?) he only comments on Sili, Kivam and Hallia and ignores the reactions to them, still early days here.

 

Wombat, what about Nolder's wall looked good to you?

 

Zander #957 - minor point "now leave it be, it's not involved in this game so don't bring it here" was AJ "rule 14" was Kivam in that post.

 

But in general the posts you raised were before Kivam had any votes, so what would his ATE be in aid of?

 

Cory #1039 - Fair

 

Wish - I'm more of a logical player than a tone reader, but try to use a bit of everything. Early game there isn't much else to go on, but I'll put less reliance on tone as the game progresses

 

 

More's going to have to wait till tomorrow :(

[wish-tree]

 

 

 

Ehhh....

I do this, so I have no problem with it. I vote people to make them nervous. What's wrong with it?

I do see the possibility of scum prodding a teammate though, because I've also done that before as scum. That's likely.

 

 

What's wrong with voting people to "make them nervous"?  Literally nothing.

 

What's wrong with voting people in a way that suggests one read, and then later denying having that read and getting defensive about multiple people making that conclusion while simultaneously changing your reasoning for voting them?  Literally everything.

 

Thanks for replying so quickly <3

So, to recap:

1) Because Kivam only voted one person, Pral, that indicates he read Pral as scum.

2) Since Kivam denied that he ever read Pral as scum, saying that it was just the way his mind worked at that time, and it was subjective, he essentially denied the read.

3) ...What was his original reasoning, and what did he change it to? Pretty sure original was prod, right? What was the changed reasoning?

 

 

No, it has nothing to do with him voting Pral.  The vote itself I don't care about.  It's the fact he said "I have seen Pral lurk before as mafia" and voted him for not being around.  If Kiv was just voting him to "summon" Pral, so to speak, then why bother mentioning he's seen Pral do it as mafia?  Just vote him and see if he responds, and treat Pral's inactivity as null (which it is).

 

TL;DR - context suggests pushing for a meta of being a quiet mafia, Kivam denies that and says it was only for a response.

 

Ah, thanks!

Okay. Is this the main reason why there's a bandwagon on Kivam, or is it because of the hints of Kiv = emo that I've seen floating around?

[Clovdyx]

 

It's not relevant now because it's an associative "read" (not really a read, but I don't have a better way of explaining it without REALLY explaining it)

 

The conversation in question was a Skype conversation between Cory and me that occurred before this game was randed.  I won't go into the nature of said conversation right now (no, I will not explain this further), but I think he will vouch that my reasoning made sense.

Okay.

What's relevant now, then? Or do I have to go back and find it myself? .-.

If I understand correctly, there are two bandwagons. One's on Kivish, and the other is on Sephder.

 

 

It will become relevant if Kivam is killed and flips mafia.  If he flips town, the point is completely invalidated.

 

What's relevant NOW is people actually pushing for who they want to see lynched today, and ideally, explaining who they don't want to see lynched today.

[wish-tree]

So Snow's list seems more reasonable, but I'm not understanding Nolder on there, Nolder's catch up posts from this morning didn't have a whole lot of analysis in them, but I agree with the momentum. Thread doesn't feel bitty as such, bit there seems to be a stronger focus on small arguments than I would expect. I don't know if it's just a consequence of a larger game though.

 

Pral's catch up seems narrow(?) he only comments on Sili, Kivam and Hallia and ignores the reactions to them, still early days here.

 

Wombat, what about Nolder's wall looked good to you?

 

Zander #957 - minor point "now leave it be, it's not involved in this game so don't bring it here" was AJ "rule 14" was Kivam in that post.

 

But in general the posts you raised were before Kivam had any votes, so what would his ATE be in aid of?

 

Cory #1039 - Fair

 

Wish - I'm more of a logical player than a tone reader, but try to use a bit of everything. Early game there isn't much else to go on, but I'll put less reliance on tone as the game progresses

 

 

More's going to have to wait till tomorrow :(

Okay. Got it. tldr; early game, not much to go off of but tone. Later, tone transitions to logic.

[wish-tree]

Oh. I remembered a question I had.

 

What is AtE?

[wish-tree]

 

 

It's not relevant now because it's an associative "read" (not really a read, but I don't have a better way of explaining it without REALLY explaining it)

 

The conversation in question was a Skype conversation between Cory and me that occurred before this game was randed.  I won't go into the nature of said conversation right now (no, I will not explain this further), but I think he will vouch that my reasoning made sense.

Okay.

What's relevant now, then? Or do I have to go back and find it myself? .-.

If I understand correctly, there are two bandwagons. One's on Kivish, and the other is on Sephder.

 

 

It will become relevant if Kivam is killed and flips mafia.  If he flips town, the point is completely invalidated.

 

What's relevant NOW is people actually pushing for who they want to see lynched today, and ideally, explaining who they don't want to see lynched today.

 

Ehhhh

I suppose I'll have to play catch up. Brb

[Sili Quirrels]

I am proud to say I have been reading from page 30 through 50, and I like Razen and Cory, but Nyn less.

 

HAven't noticed anything significant from clov. Cory feels dejected by AJ, I think. Most of the time I agree with what Cory posts, and Razen too.

 

I think Zander is floating in his normal meta that is easy to fake. tbh I should pay more attention to him.

 

I haven't seen laine around. my vote stays.

 

Last I saw Kivam was in the lead. Nyn might be tunneling mish. While I think mish overreacted, I don't understand the full picture. Nyn said Kivam was covering for Mish' behavior.

 

Salami basically suggested of 8 slots none of them were wolves. -__-

 

Wombat complains a lot about the length of the game and I dislike that. It pings. Wolves complain about the length of a game when they post to lay slank cover. And I don't even care if it is too long, he focuses on it a lot.