Belichick - Mafia Eternal Night

[BFG]

@Mods, deadline???

[Thane Vakarian]

@Verb: ftr: i know Zander quite a bit, Skype fairly often. So i think i could guess when he would be off. The only thing i could think of against him is that he's not posting as much as i've seen him do in previous games. (at least, that's how i feel about it)

[Thane Vakarian]

i think the mods died.. there's something smelly coming out of their mod-chamber

[Zander?]

I'm obviously the lynch, which I think is awful, but whatever.  I'm not doing the math on how many mislynches remain, but you need to sort out AJ ASAP.  No way town!AJ doesn't rethink his stance when I WAS RIGHT ON RAND.

 

Let me repeat that - I was right.  I sussed him, then started to back off....was urged back on by AJ, and then sussed by AJ for exactly that reason.

 

People, that alone should tell you something is wrong.  Now we have a Laine wolf flip and a Rand villager flip, meaning I was right to back off of Rand.  I said the lynch seemed too easy, and it was.

 

 

 

With missing a whole day to DM being down, I'm not really in the mood to start ISOing.  But I think AJ & Zander might be our remaining wolves.  AJ is playing like a cocky wolf right now - he's been town read by a few people, and is just stating things like it is a fact, or close to.  Town!AJ doesn't act like this - town!AJ is more thoughtful and willing to revisit and re-assess.  Apparently me backing off of a villager is a bad thing now?  Yeah....no.  He might be showing us his @$$ today.

 

Thane & Talya still clear.  BFG cleared as well (imo) due to claim and lack of cc.  Dice is unknown, but nothing overly weird from him.

 

you were sussed by more Aj for actually voting for a (later confirmed townie) who you had read as town as opposed to a (latter confirmed wolf) who you thought was wolfy.  thats a real bad look imo.  though your post have been pretty good.

 

You also said we werent voting talya and you were gonna finish isoing her but i dont think i seen that...should I be alarmed here or did i miss that?

[Verbal32]

@Verb how confident are you on Thane and Talya? How caught up are you on thread?

 

Very confident on Thane, and mildly on Talya.  Thane because of the emo he dropped in thread and the "I quit" post.  That doesn't come from a scum!Thane, imo.  I'd be shocked, and tbh a little disappointed if that were the case.....so I'm confident.  Talya just seems to be doing the #work I associate with her village game.

 

 

 

@Verb: ftr: i know Zander quite a bit, Skype fairly often. So i think i could guess when he would be off. The only thing i could think of against him is that he's not posting as much as i've seen him do in previous games. (at least, that's how i feel about it)

 

You Skype with him?  And you think.....ok I'm not even going to entertain this line of thought anymore.  If you think he's a villager, ok good.  My gut says otherwise - we'll see, I guess.

[Darthe]

Deadline is now set 24 hours from now. I also haven't been able to get in touch with Seph so I'm a bit out of the loop.

[BFG]

Deadline is now set 24 hours from now. I also haven't been able to get in touch with Seph so I'm a bit out of the loop.

[Andrej]

I don't think my late vote on Laine looks bad when you take into account that I actively encouraged players to move over so that I could hammer. Which I did prior to Laine attempting to at least stall her lynch with the DL looming an hour away. Anybody remember her reaction to that?

 

I'm guessing wolves thought they could go for NL in that situation. Verb voting Rand over Laine to "complete the consistency" despite having a wolf read on Laine would make sense here on this theory.

 

Anyway - I'll be on break in about an hour and can respond more accordingly.

[Verbal32]

I don't think my late vote on Laine looks bad when you take into account that I actively encouraged players to move over so that I could hammer. Which I did prior to Laine attempting to at least stall her lynch with the DL looming an hour away. Anybody remember her reaction to that?

 

I'm guessing wolves thought they could go for NL in that situation. Verb voting Rand over Laine to "complete the consistency" despite having a wolf read on Laine would make sense here on this theory.

 

Anyway - I'll be on break in about an hour and can respond more accordingly.

 

 

Wait a sec.....are you forgetting the "stay the course" post you made @ me when I was wavering on Rand?  Are you serious with this?  You did exactly the opposite to the bold with me.  Exactly the opposite.

 

For you to sit there and say I'm the wolfy one is actually laughable.

[Andrej]

 

 

I don't think my late vote on Laine looks bad when you take into account that I actively encouraged players to move over so that I could hammer. Which I did prior to Laine attempting to at least stall her lynch with the DL looming an hour away. Anybody remember her reaction to that?

 

I'm guessing wolves thought they could go for NL in that situation. Verb voting Rand over Laine to "complete the consistency" despite having a wolf read on Laine would make sense here on this theory.

 

Anyway - I'll be on break in about an hour and can respond more accordingly.

 

Wait a sec.....are you forgetting the "stay the course" post you made @ me when I was wavering on Rand? Are you serious with this? You did exactly the opposite to the bold with me. Exactly the opposite.

 

For you to sit there and say I'm the wolfy one is actually laughable.

And that was like 10-15 pages BEFORE. There was a lot of development from the time I told you not to get spooked to when you came back and voted. The wagons had completely flipped. And there's NO WAY you didn't notice all the casework done on Laine because when you voted Rand you pulled a singular quote of his out of pages of content.

 

Nice try though.

[Andrej]

Besides - you keep pointing at me like I control your vote or something. THAT'S what is laughable here. "AJ said to stay put so even though there were pages of development elsewhere I voted to complete the consistency although by my own logic I should've seen Laine as another wolf read sitting at L-1"

 

Bogus dude. Come on

[Verbal32]

Besides - you keep pointing at me like I control your vote or something. THAT'S what is laughable here. "AJ said to stay put so even though there were pages of development elsewhere I voted to complete the consistency although by my own logic I should've seen Laine as another wolf read sitting at L-1"

 

Bogus dude. Come on

 

I was wavering, and I had already listed you as a top town read.  When you're not sure, sheeping them is a solid strat.  Don't even pretend that's not true.  So if say....Dice had said to stay the course, I would not put the same value as you or Shad (at the time).

 

I didn't want to second guess myself, so I agreed with the advice and stuck on Rand.  Obviously a mistake, but I needed to make a choice.

[Verbal32]

I like how you're taking a villagery thought process and labeling it wolfy.  That's the funny part.

[Andrej]

I like how you're taking a villagery thought process and labeling it wolfy. That's the funny part.

It's really not though. You have almost zero development ITT for that read. I even pulled Rand's quotes from the time you started wavering to when you voted so you could SHOW ME what it was you saw. I also think I did a good job arguing your logic and why it doesn't make sense from my perspective which you have neglected to respond to.

 

You say my lack of reassessment is wolfy but what have you really given me to work with??

 

Your points since the Rand lynch:

 

1) AJ told me to

2) my process is villagery

3) ???

[Andrej]

Furthermore if you were uncertain you could've like... Said so. It's a bit late in the game for the sheeping angle. You didn't comment on anything from several pages of content since your last check in and used ONE quote from Rand to vote him. No mention of anything else.

[Verbal32]

 

I like how you're taking a villagery thought process and labeling it wolfy. That's the funny part.

It's really not though. You have almost zero development ITT for that read. I even pulled Rand's quotes from the time you started wavering to when you voted so you could SHOW ME what it was you saw. I also think I did a good job arguing your logic and why it doesn't make sense from my perspective which you have neglected to respond to.

 

You say my lack of reassessment is wolfy but what have you really given me to work with??

 

Your points since the Rand lynch:

 

1) AJ told me to

2) my process is villagery

3) ???

 

 

I'm not going to bother arguing this.  I said it was how easy/smooth the lynch appeared to be, and not something Rand said.  You pulling his quotes is completely irrelevant.

 

And you misrep my points since Rand's lynch.  They are, quite simply, that I'm not a wolf because I voted Rand and not Laine.  You are pointing to that as the reason I'm a wolf, and I don't even really have a problem with that.

 

What I do have a problem with is you not even bothering to re-assess the situation and consider that perhaps I'm telling the truth and your read is wrong.  You know, that thing villagers like to do.

[Verbal32]

Furthermore if you were uncertain you could've like... Said so. It's a bit late in the game for the sheeping angle. You didn't comment on anything from several pages of content since your last check in and used ONE quote from Rand to vote him. No mention of anything else.

 

Holy crap dude, I did say I was uncertain.  Are you serious with this?  If you're actually a villager here, please stop firing from the hip and think about "what if Verbal is telling the truth"?

 

If you are not capable of asking yourself that question and thinking it though, and you are a villager, this game is already over.

[Andrej]

Dude I would have no issues if I thought you were just simply wrong.

 

The problem comes from when you try to defend that wrongness with points that don't match what should've been your internal process AND want to lay the blame at my feet for YOUR vote.

[Andrej]

"I'm not going to bother arguing this. I said it was how easy/smooth the lynch appeared to be, and not something Rand said. You pulling his quotes is completely irrelevant."

 

Okay the ease of lynch made you wary fair enough. But what made you disregard it afterwards when the casing/voting of Laine started? THAT is relevant and you have yet to address it. If it wasn't Rand's posts for being why you returned to scum reading him then what was it?

[Verbal32]

How do my points not match my process?

 

1.  Verbal thinks Rand is a wolf.

2.  Verbal also thinks Laine might be one.

3.  Verbal digs in towards Rand and susses Laine lightly.

4.  Lots of suggestions on whether w/w or not.

5.  Verbal starts to waver on Rand* and thinks maybe v/w with Laine as wolf....but not totally sure.

6.  One of Verbal's town reads essentially tells him not to second guess himself.....which he didn't want to really do anyway.

7.  Verbal ends up not second guessing himself and votes Rand.

8.  Laine gets lynched and flips wolf.

9.  Verbal goes into the next day really thinking that he might have been right on the second guess and that Rand was a villager.

10.  Rand is lynched and Verbal refuses to vote on it.

11.  Rand flips villager and the mob turns towards Verbal.

12.  ????

13.  Do not profit.

 

 

 

* I already explained what made me uneasy

[Andrej]

And I'm not firing from the hip.

 

You said you were unsure originally - fine. But afterwards you don't revisit this topic and you show nothing to substantiate your vote on Rand besides a single post where he's talking about you in a light FOS manner. You don't mention ANYTHING actually from what I remember. Literally no comments about the current on goings outside of wanting to lynch Rand and save Laine to get vigged.

[Andrej]

There are pages of content between 6 & 7.

 

That's like my huge point. You apparently didn't miss any of it because you would've had to dig to find Rand's quote.

[Verbal32]

"I'm not going to bother arguing this. I said it was how easy/smooth the lynch appeared to be, and not something Rand said. You pulling his quotes is completely irrelevant."

 

Okay the ease of lynch made you wary fair enough. But what made you disregard it afterwards when the casing/voting of Laine started? THAT is relevant and you have yet to address it. If it wasn't Rand's posts for being why you returned to scum reading him then what was it?

 

I did not want to second guess myself and decided to trust my original read (Rand = wolf).

 

Rand played wolfy, we know this.  He was a villager, but he played wolfy; otherwise, he would not have been lynched.

[Verbal32]

There are pages of content between 6 & 7.

 

That's like my huge point. You apparently didn't miss any of it because you would've had to dig to find Rand's quote.

 

I didn't - I saw it on my catchup when I came back to the thread.  What's your point?  I saw Rand continue to be wolfy, Laine continue to be wolfy, and decided to stick with my guns.  I usually re-assess more, but I did not have the time to dig in and went in my original direction.

 

I fail to see how this is some big issue.

[Verbal32]

Like, obviously I was wrong.  Hell, I might be wrong in my second guessing of you.  I was wrong to not second guess myself before......so tell me, am I wrong to second guess on your alignment now?

 

See the parallel here?