Belichick - Mafia Eternal Night

[alannalynn]

I am cool

 

 

 

I feel like Rand should die first, here, and Laine should be vigged tonight.

I agree on the first part, not so much on the second.
I think when Rand flips wolf, hopefully people will be thinking differently. I am town in this situation, wasting a vig shot on me will hurt the town
 

im getting caught up.  quick question.  anyone have any Alanna wolf meta?

The only current meta I have is Middle Earth, but that was my first game back and it had two teams. Before that I was mafia in Merlin in 2013.
 
@Shad I wouldn't say Andrej knows my meta because that was one game. This game doesn't count as wolf meta because I'm not a wolf. I don't even think you're giving me a chance here

 

I'm responding to your posts and asking questions. When I am not fully satisfied with the answer I point out why and ask more--even answered one myself in a way that doesn't look terrible for you.
 

So here's a question.  You don't think you should be vigged tonight because wasted shot.  Ok.  Do you think you should be lynched tomorrow for information?  I mean, aside from the obv "no because I'm town" response and excluding the possibility that someone else slips, do you think your lynch would be informative?  Do you have a better option in mind?

 

I assume you are pretty confident that Rand flips wolf.  This makes sense if you are town.  You humored v/v once but I see that in context that might have been a humoring of Rand's thoughts, not your own opinion.  Does Rand flipping scum clear you in your opinion, and if so why?

 

If I survive the night I'm willing to create better options. Obviously I don't want to be vigged, nor do I want to be lynched for information (that's just stupid imo). I would rather we decide on a better course of action and look at Rands interactions with other people, especially once it's confirmed that he's a wolf. I'm sure there's got to be something there. That, combined with whoever the mafia team vigs tonight should give us a bit more information to go on that it won't be necessary to lynch a town member just for the sake of gathering more info. Again, I'm willing to reevaluate my reads lists and see if I can clear up some of that gray area.

 

When did I humor v/v with me and Rand?

I think Rand flipping mafia will look good for me. He pushed me early on and tried (failed) to vote me. That can be looked at as a failed attempt of mafia to bus a teammate, yes, but that combined with how hard I'm going for his lynch today and he keeps scum reading me, I think that's enough that we're not on the same team. If he were my teammate, I would try to compromise with the town instead of pushing against each other so that we're lynching a teammate no matter what. That would be a crappy move for the mafia to have two mafia as competing lynch trains.

[Shad_]

My look at Laine from yesterday, somewhat out of order because of multiquote limitations:

 

 

 

Laine on Rand D1

 

Null read, fair enough:

 

 

 

But for reals though:

 

Town: Zander Shad

Townish: Hally Andrej Yates

Mixed/IDK: Talya BFG

Scumish: Dice Thane

 

Null: Verb Pral Rand

 

 

Rand calls Laine scum for derp reasons, Laine responds by explaining that Dice sounds like he did as scum in Mass Effect.  (BFG later debunks this I think?)  She says she felt awful sorry for having to lynch Thane and Verbal in SW.  Poor scum.    Laine is talking to Rand like there is nothing remotely awkward about his reads of her, chummy really.

 

 

 

 

 

lets look at this.  Have I been here?  No. Is that my first post on return? YES. Could it have been a joke while i was catching up? YES.

 

Did you react badly? YES.

Ive been gone for awhile, but this seems like normal dice.

 

 

Yes i joked. with like my SECOND POST.  Keep talking laine  throwing blame like that is making me more certain

 

yates test seemed jokey in nature yet he is calling poeple town off it.

 

AJ was sudden with that vote on shad. I think he saw something that caused a gut vote

I don't care if it was your first post, second post, 20th post.. we're on page 18 and you posted a joke vote in the middle of game talk instead of adding to the current goings-on. Do you at least see where I'm coming from? Look back at how I reacted to the other votes on me, I even commented that I'll probably get vigged tonight as a joke. So you can't really say my comment was an overreaction.

 

Ehh, seems like you're reaching to find a reason to turn him into scum for a joke vote, anti-town read.

 

 

Well who would have figured on July 4th nowhere would be open? I really really wanted Asian food of some sort but all closed. At least I have booze. I'll just make a pizza 

 

Thane always pings a little. I would feel bad lynching him though after Star Wars

 

So he pings a little but would feel bad after SW game Why. He was wolf there, why would you feel bad here

 

This reminded me, another scummy read on Laine, don't like the whole feeling bad for Thane thing.  Makes me think you know what side Thane is on.

 

Middle Earth was a bit unconventional in a sense because it had two scum teams so even as a wolf I could genuinely town/scum hunt. Probably also one of my (if not the) best games to date so I wouldn't consider the standard for how I play imo.

 

Anyway - good morning :)

Eh, this seems like he's trying too hard to make people seem he is town by giving ideas of what his scum self is like, Not buying it.

 

So basically town reads on Yates, Shad, and Thane

Scum reads on Alanna, Talya, AJ

 

For now, [v]Alanna or Laine?[/v] not good at nicknames sorry

 

 

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count 7:

 

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (2/7): Dice

No lynch (2/7): Yates, Talya

Shad (1/7): AJ

Thane (2/7) Hally, Shad

Hally (1/7) Thane

 

Not Voting (5/13):

BFG, Verb, Laya, Laine, Zander, 

 

 

 

is that a typo on Laine or no?

 

Hi Rand! I haven't seen you in forever lol

You can call me Alanna or Laine, I don't care either way.

 

Bold: Not really reaching for a reason to turn him into an anti town read. I didn't even put him to a scummish read until I looked back to see how he behaved as scum in the Mass Effect game, because someone brought up that he wouldn't tunnel as mafia. I was more exasperated than anything when talking with Dice last night.

 

To the underlined: Not really, I felt really bad pushing the lynch on Verbal/Thane hydra in Star Wars because I forced the lynch to go through after getting a guilty cop read and I was kinda mean. This game though I can't be sure and that makes me uncomfortable.

 

 

 

Rand responds saying he's less suspicious of Laine now but still has a scummy read of her.  Real casual tone but he's been consistent about that with everyone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

lets look at this.  Have I been here?  No. Is that my first post on return? YES. Could it have been a joke while i was catching up? YES.

 

Did you react badly? YES.

Ive been gone for awhile, but this seems like normal dice.

 

 

Yes i joked. with like my SECOND POST.  Keep talking laine  throwing blame like that is making me more certain

 

yates test seemed jokey in nature yet he is calling poeple town off it.

 

AJ was sudden with that vote on shad. I think he saw something that caused a gut vote

I don't care if it was your first post, second post, 20th post.. we're on page 18 and you posted a joke vote in the middle of game talk instead of adding to the current goings-on. Do you at least see where I'm coming from? Look back at how I reacted to the other votes on me, I even commented that I'll probably get vigged tonight as a joke. So you can't really say my comment was an overreaction.

 

Ehh, seems like you're reaching to find a reason to turn him into scum for a joke vote, anti-town read.

 

 

Well who would have figured on July 4th nowhere would be open? I really really wanted Asian food of some sort but all closed. At least I have booze. I'll just make a pizza 

 

Thane always pings a little. I would feel bad lynching him though after Star Wars

 

So he pings a little but would feel bad after SW game Why. He was wolf there, why would you feel bad here

 

This reminded me, another scummy read on Laine, don't like the whole feeling bad for Thane thing.  Makes me think you know what side Thane is on.

 

Middle Earth was a bit unconventional in a sense because it had two scum teams so even as a wolf I could genuinely town/scum hunt. Probably also one of my (if not the) best games to date so I wouldn't consider the standard for how I play imo.

 

Anyway - good morning :)

Eh, this seems like he's trying too hard to make people seem he is town by giving ideas of what his scum self is like, Not buying it.

 

So basically town reads on Yates, Shad, and Thane

Scum reads on Alanna, Talya, AJ

 

For now, [v]Alanna or Laine?[/v] not good at nicknames sorry

 

 

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count 7:

 

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (2/7): Dice

No lynch (2/7): Yates, Talya

Shad (1/7): AJ

Thane (2/7) Hally, Shad

Hally (1/7) Thane

 

Not Voting (5/13):

BFG, Verb, Laya, Laine, Zander, 

 

 

 

is that a typo on Laine or no?

 

Hi Rand! I haven't seen you in forever lol

You can call me Alanna or Laine, I don't care either way.

 

Bold: Not really reaching for a reason to turn him into an anti town read. I didn't even put him to a scummish read until I looked back to see how he behaved as scum in the Mass Effect game, because someone brought up that he wouldn't tunnel as mafia. I was more exasperated than anything when talking with Dice last night.

 

To the underlined: Not really, I felt really bad pushing the lynch on Verbal/Thane hydra in Star Wars because I forced the lynch to go through after getting a guilty cop read and I was kinda mean. This game though I can't be sure and that makes me uncomfortable.

 

Haha hey!!, OK was your nickname Alanna before, because thats what I remember calling you and I don't know if I'm going crazy or not :P

 

Haha feeling guilty because you were mean... I can get that.  I'm going to wait until I can get a better reread to change my vote, but although you're still a scummy read, less so than before.

 

 

 

Laine notices Rand's first post, which also scum reads her.  She casually finds it strange.  Huh?

 

 

 

@Rand: I actually used to be AJ before Andrej was AJ so that's probably why it's confusing haha. I understand what you're saying though, I've been getting better at being town read

 

I just noticed your first post with my responses to the joke votes: you make it seem like I was setting up scum reads on people just for joke voting me? Seems like a strange conclusion, but I may be reading that wrong.

 

 

 

/snip

/snip

 

 

That's how I read it.  AJ was playing for town in Star Wars and his tunnel vision was a work of art.  I think the whole tying Hallia to his scum read of me spews him town.

 

Btw I'm totally getting vigged tonight if AJ has a shot.  :P

 

How does tying Hallia to you spew him town?

and Lol I'm feeling the same way

 

 

 

Asks me about my thoughts on Rand.

 

 

 

Okay I'll trust you.

 

What do you think on Rand? I think you posted how you were suspicious of his intro posts and I haven't seen him since.

 

 

 

My thoughts on Rand:

 

 

 

 

Okay I'll trust you.

 

What do you think on Rand? I think you posted how you were suspicious of his intro posts and I haven't seen him since.

 

A couple things from his catch-up, reading in reverse order:

 

* He says Laine is trying to turn Dice's joke vote against him and set him up as scum.

--This is pretty ridiculous.  Your response to the joke vote was "Dice how is that helping at all? Do you have actual points to make?" and Dice is the one who started tunneling you, not vice-versa.

 

* He doesn't like AJ for explaining his own scum game to people.

--But AJ never did this.  He just explained the atypical set-up of Middle Earth and its implications.  And he was right, by the way.  I ran into the exact problem AJ is describing when I tried to use Middle Earth to study him in Star Wars.

 

* He doesn't like AJ for doubting Darthe would go "derp, gg town" if everyone voted no lynch.  He asks "Why didn't you vote? Were you trying to stall until mafia could think of something to do? Biggest scum read."  Yet he likes me for researching the rules.  Aren't AJ and I doing pretty much the same thing here?  But I get town cred for it and he's scummy.

 

* He thinks Talya is "fence sitting" on page 9 because she doesn't have a strong read of Yates yet.  Has he ever played with Yates before?

 

* Rand scum reads Laine almost immediately, on the grounds that :???:  I guess he doesn't like that she's joking around with people who joke voted her?  I don't get it.  It's like he thinks the people who joke voted her are total strangers to her, and she's shady for returning the serve.  But if I joke voted a stranger, shouldn't I be the one who looks a bit suspicious?

 

 

 

Thanks for asking me to look into him again Laine!  Kind of reiterated what I was feeling last night and made it more glaringly obvious.

[v]Rand[/v]

Too wolf to be a wolf maybe, but it feels like he drew three town names out of a hat and just went to work trying to dig up whatever dirt he could on them with little regard for anyone else.  Still feeling Thane as scum, but that's more for what he hasn't done yet.  Rand's catch-up is pretty terrible.

 

 

 

Likes my points, is willing to consider voting Rand.  (so I guess moving from null to scum view here?)

 

 

 

I fell asleep.

 

@Shad, I like your points on Rand, I may be willing to go there today

 

@Pral, It sucks because I really am flip flopping on him? Some of his posts are okay, then others have me wanting to read him as scum (such as his reaction vote on Hallia and strange actions around Dice), so it's kinda back and forth for me, especially with the input from others who are town reading him. I posted some of my progression on Thane in my WoT directed at BFG (re:Dice) probably 10(?) pages back.

 

I don't have much longer to be online, I need to be getting ready for work right now

 

 

[Andrej]

Been power skimming while walking the dog this morning. I've got about 15-20 minutes of time to really read/respond right now before I've got to rush to leave for work.

 

Probably gonna hammer Laine before I go, fwiw.

[Shad_]

continued:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yates's test pretty null for me personally. Not really alignment indicative for him even if it was a little hokey.

Still confirmed Yates is weird. Neither Zander nor Shad have been mafia before, so he can't know how either would play based on that, nor what their responses would be as town/mafia.

 

I'm feeling a disconnect here. Laine cleared Zander and I out the gate despite having never seen either of us as scum. I was cool with this because it's consistent with how I think town Laine thinks. So why point out in this instance that our responses can't be alignment indicative if no one knows our scum games?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well who would have figured on July 4th nowhere would be open? I really really wanted Asian food of some sort but all closed. At least I have booze. I'll just make a pizza

 

Thane always pings a little. I would feel bad lynching him though after Star Wars

Bringing this up again because it pinged me D1 and still does. Laine feeling sorry for lynching scum? My town Laine should be outraged that Thane and Verb had the audacity to fake claim her PR in SW! Like, town Laine has zero tolerance for scum. That's why she always ends up leading the charges. I don't know, that's how I tend to think of her.

 

 

 

 

 

So anyway Laine on Rand D2 is a massive pile of multiquotes that I can't even begin to compile. Here's some snips with page references:

 

#1166 p59

 

Links Rand to where Yates said he'd shoot Hallia, "I feel like you're not even reading the thread, lol"

 

Responds to Rand's questions about me with "Shad's smart, he hasn't played a lot of games (under 5?). His first game he came in knowing way too much and it was really impressive and he's basically the best townie. Not been mafia yet as far as I know, I'll fear for the town's safety when that day comes haha"

 

Regarding AJ's post about wanting to lynch Rand today, says "I would have gone with the Rand lynch yesterday and missed voting before work, but I'm all for this train today based on what I've seen so far."

 

Regarding Zander not being confident about Rand as scum but wanting to lynch him over a no lynch, asks "Why don't you feel Rand is scum, Zander?"

 

New reads list:

 

 

Morning Alanna!!! getting caught up and im around. what are your current thoughts atp?

Current thoughts in my post above, current reads list:

Top town: Shad Zander Andrej

Towny: BFG Verbal Talya

Mixed: Dice

Bottom two: Thane Rand

 

#1173 p59

"Zander: Rand, Dice, Thane? Thoughts"

Note: This was a mix I had recently suggested but said "Meh" to.

 

#1176 p59

@Zander "Would you be willing to vote Rand today or do you believe there is a strong possibility he is town?"

 

#1178 p59

Zander had said: "Rand: Maybe...possibly...meh...i dont know...i could...no....perhaps..... I wanna see how he responds/progresses first. Prolly only in the event of it being a No Lynch situation or not. Cause No Lynch is just stupid. We need info to game solve. Better bet Lynch Talya."

Laine says: "If you think they're teammates why not go with majority? In SW I was frustrated on the DT because townies were splitting votes between two scum. I don't see the point in being stubborn in that instance, if what you're saying is true and you do believe they're teammates. And I don't see a Talya lynch happening anytime soon, either. It feels like you don't want to lynch scum, imo"

 

#1235 p62

Takes a lot of heat from Zander for the above post. (Zander had made it clear before and reiterates to her that he never connected Talya to Rand.)

Laine says: "I misread that last part of your post Zander, I thought you were saying that Rand/Talya are scum together which would make no sense that you'd want to lynch one but not that other, almost like you're trying to protect one. But I see that I misread it, sorry."

 

Mentions to Verbal that she wouldn't mind lynching Dice, Thane, or Rand.

 

Rand: "Sorry, I missed your reasoning on this, was this because I was inactive or townread Thane or something else? Also curious on why you're assuming that the most active participants are town (or you're townreading them), since scum usually likes to have one active participant in the mix to manipulate opinions to what they need."

AJ: "This is the post I was referring to, btw. The part I dislike about it is that from Rand's perspective if we assume he legitimately hasn't read anything - what is the point of making this sort of comment if he doesn't know any better about those players? Not sure if it's inside knowledge or just a general FOS to keep people from getting cleared for their involvement. Maybe both?"

Laine: "Obviously he's trying to spread doubt here with that statement, I remember reading it and it standing out to me"

 

Laine @ Rand:

 

"Rand, it looks bad because Yates was all over Hally on D1, those 6 are only a few that I pulled up which said he was certain Hally was scum and going to kill her tonight with his vig shot. If you're rereading and didn't catch any of that the first time, I just don't understand. My problem is that your question to me "Why would Yates be probable to kill Hallia" feels like you're accusing me of knowing more than I do right now."

 

"Why Andrej? He's playing a pretty clear town game"

 

"Are you freaking kiddin me? Why do you think Hally was a mafia kill when Yates was a vig and Hally was his top suspect? He LITERALLY said (in those posts I linked you to, which you read) that he would vig Hally last night." (votes Rand)

 

"DUDE, you just responded to my post a page back where I numbered out 1 2 3 4 5 6 of evidence that Yates in all likelihood vigged Hally. HOW can you now say that you "didn't know that he mentioned he wanted to vig Hally"??? I see Shad covers that for me, thanks <3"

 

#1236 p62

I had said: "This is jumping ahead a bit but if w/w Rand was more likely to shoot last night because he was more likely to get lynched today."

Laine says: "That is jumping ahead, I'm very sure Rand is mafia, but I'm town and not a vig."

 

 

 

 

 

Ok so D1 Rand says a bunch of junk targeted at Laine and she's totally cool with it, makes her weird post about feeling bad for lynching scum in Star Wars. Avoids criticizing Rand but eventually reaches a willingness to consider voting him when the town is turning that way. She doesn't actually vote him.

 

D2 she's acting more suss of Rand but, oddly to me at least, starts getting on Zander's case for not voting Rand instead of on Rand's case for being scummy. Continues her willingness to lynch Rand but won't really assess him herself.

 

After the move on Zander is debunked she switches gears and goes all out on Rand.

 

This is an obvious bussing. And it doesn't even take into account all of the scum we have on Laine that's not tied with Rand. They're both wolves and Rand probably already spent his NK. We should lynch Laine today.

 

[alannalynn]

Been power skimming while walking the dog this morning. I've got about 15-20 minutes of time to really read/respond right now before I've got to rush to leave for work.

 

Probably gonna hammer Laine before I go, fwiw.

Please don't hammer yet? We still have a few things to work out. I'd prefer that you'd look at this a bit more though before placing a vote. I don't want this to go to no lynch as much as the next guy, but I'd rather we lynch a wolf than not.

[Shad_]

Im not sure what I make of Alanna's claim and her AtE towards me.  I thought she was hinting at being the Doc and not knowing who the Doc is.  That means you vigged at someone who was self protected and that you DIDNT think was a town read. and i think ive seen some trails as to who the Doc may be and if so I dont know how youd have any reason to shoot there as town imo.

 

Alanna we DO have a lot of good towning together but Im not feeling it as much here.  The only reason your still alive atp is the fact of the suspect on Rand looking bad.

 

Wanting to get a general consensus on this cause its NOT gonna be a No Lynch.

 

Ill ask you to touch on my thoughts and Ill read your answers to others questions as well.

She could have an idea who the doc is without having a shot fail to got through.  Could have been lying about not having a lead on doc, which is null.

[Zander?]

 

Im not sure what I make of Alanna's claim and her AtE towards me.  I thought she was hinting at being the Doc and not knowing who the Doc is.  That means you vigged at someone who was self protected and that you DIDNT think was a town read. and i think ive seen some trails as to who the Doc may be and if so I dont know how youd have any reason to shoot there as town imo.

 

Alanna we DO have a lot of good towning together but Im not feeling it as much here.  The only reason your still alive atp is the fact of the suspect on Rand looking bad.

 

Wanting to get a general consensus on this cause its NOT gonna be a No Lynch.

 

Ill ask you to touch on my thoughts and Ill read your answers to others questions as well.

She could have an idea who the doc is without having a shot fail to got through.  Could have been lying about not having a lead on doc, which is null.

 

 

yes but i was hoping to get her to respond to that...lolololol  wanted to see her answer and if she's town she would have answered without outing who she thought was Docimo.

[Shad_]

I am cool

 

 

 

I feel like Rand should die first, here, and Laine should be vigged tonight.

I agree on the first part, not so much on the second.

I think when Rand flips wolf, hopefully people will be thinking differently. I am town in this situation, wasting a vig shot on me will hurt the town

 

im getting caught up.  quick question.  anyone have any Alanna wolf meta?

The only current meta I have is Middle Earth, but that was my first game back and it had two teams. Before that I was mafia in Merlin in 2013.

 

@Shad I wouldn't say Andrej knows my meta because that was one game. This game doesn't count as wolf meta because I'm not a wolf. I don't even think you're giving me a chance here

 

I'm responding to your posts and asking questions. When I am not fully satisfied with the answer I point out why and ask more--even answered one myself in a way that doesn't look terrible for you.

 

So here's a question.  You don't think you should be vigged tonight because wasted shot.  Ok.  Do you think you should be lynched tomorrow for information?  I mean, aside from the obv "no because I'm town" response and excluding the possibility that someone else slips, do you think your lynch would be informative?  Do you have a better option in mind?

 

I assume you are pretty confident that Rand flips wolf.  This makes sense if you are town.  You humored v/v once but I see that in context that might have been a humoring of Rand's thoughts, not your own opinion.  Does Rand flipping scum clear you in your opinion, and if so why?

 

If I survive the night I'm willing to create better options. Obviously I don't want to be vigged, nor do I want to be lynched for information (that's just stupid imo). I would rather we decide on a better course of action and look at Rands interactions with other people, especially once it's confirmed that he's a wolf. I'm sure there's got to be something there. That, combined with whoever the mafia team vigs tonight should give us a bit more information to go on that it won't be necessary to lynch a town member just for the sake of gathering more info. Again, I'm willing to reevaluate my reads lists and see if I can clear up some of that gray area.

 

When did I humor v/v with me and Rand?

 

I think Rand flipping mafia will look good for me. He pushed me early on and tried (failed) to vote me. That can be looked at as a failed attempt of mafia to bus a teammate, yes, but that combined with how hard I'm going for his lynch today and he keeps scum reading me, I think that's enough that we're not on the same team. If he were my teammate, I would try to compromise with the town instead of pushing against each other so that we're lynching a teammate no matter what. That would be a crappy move for the mafia to have two mafia as competing lynch trains.

 

Red I already called you out on this and you gave a reasonable explanation imo.

 

Blue Neither of you voted until the trains were going strong so I can't give you this.

 

Green It's definitely given me pause to think.  w/v possible, v/v highly unlikely, w/w still where I'm at right now.  Pushing each other is kind of WIFOM once you know one of you is going to die, and neither of you pushed the other in a way that could lead to a lynch prior to this.  But his vig claim is at least a little interesting.

 

Bold But you admit you have no other reads.  I don't know if it's an option for you.  Thane and Dice were your pushes and they were both shot down.  You started questioning Zander and that was shot down.  Now I can ask AJ an ME question finally: Do you think Laine is someone who would never under any condition bus a team mate?

[Shad_]

 

 

Im not sure what I make of Alanna's claim and her AtE towards me.  I thought she was hinting at being the Doc and not knowing who the Doc is.  That means you vigged at someone who was self protected and that you DIDNT think was a town read. and i think ive seen some trails as to who the Doc may be and if so I dont know how youd have any reason to shoot there as town imo.

 

Alanna we DO have a lot of good towning together but Im not feeling it as much here.  The only reason your still alive atp is the fact of the suspect on Rand looking bad.

 

Wanting to get a general consensus on this cause its NOT gonna be a No Lynch.

 

Ill ask you to touch on my thoughts and Ill read your answers to others questions as well.

She could have an idea who the doc is without having a shot fail to got through.  Could have been lying about not having a lead on doc, which is null.

 

 

yes but i was hoping to get her to respond to that...lolololol  wanted to see her answer and if she's town she would have answered without outing who she thought was Docimo.

 

 

lol I'm failing at my own game sorry bro

[Shad_]

Ok legit taking off for a bit

[Andrej]

I am vanilla town right now and being that I already claimed that, I'm probably NOT claiming doc lol, I know who the doc is though, fwiw

 

Why are you skirting around this issue in the manner you are? Gives me really weird vibes.

 

I'm still around if you want to talk this through. I took tonight off work so I can stay on later than usual. Been working too damn hard this week to work another day before hell-week starts Sunday. lol Gonna look back at Rand and see if I missed anything but I'm VERY extremely positive he's a wolf.

 

Yes, we all are. Same for you :)

 

Also if w/w Laine can aggro all day on Rand because the dirt is there. Rand's vig claim is what's really tripping me. I'd think he wouldn't go out of his way to give us cause to keep him alive if scum plan is clear Laine by bussing Rand.

 

Scum do weird stuff that villagers don't often understand. Great depths are being reached right now to make the w/w theory look implausible as if both of these slots aren't getting resolved before D3.

 

 

Official Vote Count 13:

 

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (1/7): Dice

Hally (2/7) Thane, Pralaya

Tayla(1/7) Zander

Rand (5/7) Shad, Tayla, Aj, Hally, Yates

 

Not Voting (3/13):

BFG, Verb, Laine, 

 

Speaking of which, if Rand is a wolf, there's probably one wolf on his train (bussing). If he's town, there's more than one wolf here potentially. Being that we know Hally/Yates, that brings Shad, AJ, Talya into the light. Although, the fact that he didn't get lynched yesterday also lends to the possibility of him being mafia. I like the info gained here, as opposed to my lynch, obviously.

 

Pretty much hate this post all around. She's doing everything she can to keep the rope from around her neck but regardless of how Rand flips she still believes the wolves are on the wagon - where she conveniently isn't.

 

Logic says all else being equal we lynch Laine because she claimed vt and Rand claimed vig. But I really would like to get it right today because with so many vig shots we could lose fast.

 

Agree to this.

[Zander?]

Been power skimming while walking the dog this morning. I've got about 15-20 minutes of time to really read/respond right now before I've got to rush to leave for work.

 

Probably gonna hammer Laine before I go, fwiw.

 

well its certainly not going no lynch no matter what.  how much longer till DL?

[Zander?]

fwiw Aj there is a wolf on the Rand Train...its Talya.

[Andrej]

Regarding Middle Earth - I couldn't say, Shad.

 

She started to suss me later on in the game but nothing really came of it, and at that point distancing was needed because the other scum team was getting whittled away and town's numbers were severely down.

 

My team was still whole :)

[Andrej]

fwiw Aj there is a wolf on the Rand Train...its Talya.

 

Or Verb imo.

 

Sort of hate that post/vote of his - but maybe he's being legit. A lurky Verb is a scummy one.

[Andrej]

 

Yall ready???

[Zander?]

@ AJ and Shad are you both still thinking Alanna/Rand are w/w?

[alannalynn]

 

I am cool

 

 

 

I feel like Rand should die first, here, and Laine should be vigged tonight.

I agree on the first part, not so much on the second.

I think when Rand flips wolf, hopefully people will be thinking differently. I am town in this situation, wasting a vig shot on me will hurt the town

 

im getting caught up.  quick question.  anyone have any Alanna wolf meta?

/snip

 

/snip

 

If I survive the night I'm willing to create better options. Obviously I don't want to be vigged, nor do I want to be lynched for information (that's just stupid imo). I would rather we decide on a better course of action and look at Rands interactions with other people, especially once it's confirmed that he's a wolf. I'm sure there's got to be something there. That, combined with whoever the mafia team vigs tonight should give us a bit more information to go on that it won't be necessary to lynch a town member just for the sake of gathering more info. Again, I'm willing to reevaluate my reads lists and see if I can clear up some of that gray area.

 

When did I humor v/v with me and Rand?

 

I think Rand flipping mafia will look good for me. He pushed me early on and tried (failed) to vote me. That can be looked at as a failed attempt of mafia to bus a teammate, yes, but that combined with how hard I'm going for his lynch today and he keeps scum reading me, I think that's enough that we're not on the same team. If he were my teammate, I would try to compromise with the town instead of pushing against each other so that we're lynching a teammate no matter what. That would be a crappy move for the mafia to have two mafia as competing lynch trains.

 

Red I already called you out on this and you gave a reasonable explanation imo.

 

Blue Neither of you voted until the trains were going strong so I can't give you this.

 

Green It's definitely given me pause to think.  w/v possible, v/v highly unlikely, w/w still where I'm at right now.  Pushing each other is kind of WIFOM once you know one of you is going to die, and neither of you pushed the other in a way that could lead to a lynch prior to this.  But his vig claim is at least a little interesting.

 

Bold But you admit you have no other reads.  I don't know if it's an option for you.  Thane and Dice were your pushes and they were both shot down.  You started questioning Zander and that was shot down.  Now I can ask AJ an ME question finally: Do you think Laine is someone who would never under any condition bus a team mate?

 

Blue/Green: I had every intention to vote him D1 and did not make it online to do so. I regret doing that now; I wouldn't be in this situation trying to lynch a wolf over myself.

 

Bold: Sure I don't right now. Because my lynch is basically a foregone conclusion and it sucks. I don't want to go back and reread the whole thread and put together better reads (especially with limited time) just to get lynched because they're not good enough. I never thought Zander was scum, but I want him to articulate better with what he's thinking. And you're right one Dice and Thane, my reads got shot down time and again. When I flip town, vig Rand; he's your first stop.

[alannalynn]

 

Yall ready???

We have more than an hour, right?

[Andrej]

 

[v]alannalynn[/v]

[Zander?]

 

[v]alannalynn[/v]

 

GOAT!!!!  lolololol

[Andrej]

 

 

Yall ready???

 

We have more than an hour, right?

 

I'm afraid your time was up, my dear.

[Andrej]

I'll be back to see the flip later.

 

Gotta run now! I should be leaving the house in the next 5 minutes and I'm still in my sweat pants lol

 

GLGLGLGLGLGL

[alannalynn]

Yeah... thanks.

[BFG]

Laine

 

 

 

Page 1 ISO

 

Banter/Fluff

BFG is null since she doesn't know me, doesn't see Shads read

Possible early town read on Hallia?

Asks Shad if he's town

Notes - Shads, Yates Votes; Yates unvote

Can't have vig's shooting everywhere N1

Town cheerleader

Missing Verb/Laya; 'why is the probability on someone randing wolf a good reason to vote them Thane?' - phrasing is odd here

Need more time on Yates, doesn't like Thanes comment - if Laine is mafia, possibly suggests Zander town???

Likes waiting for a smaller POE before people start vigging. Asks Thane if he thinks they have a NK on top of their shots

 

Page 2 ISO

Banter

Sheep a stupid idea they're town?

Have to kill all the wolves, as Shad and AJ pointed out Just Shad

Trust Yates on Talya as she can't read her, no doubts Zanders town, asks about test for Shad and AJ

AJ is town lean

banter

Yates is weird; he can't know how Zander or Shad would react as they haven't been mafia I kind of want to say that if Laine flips mafia she's town spewing a lot of people, but somebody else should look through this as well

Town read on Zander/Shad town lean on Yates/AJ

Thane always pings a little, feel bad after SW though

Thane pings in a different way to SW

CF

Banter

Asks AJ about his vote on Shad

Asks me for thoughts

Asks Thane why he brings up Verb/Pral as if they're lynch candidates

Answers for AJ about town needing to towntell POE

 

Page 3

Responds to AJ about Shad feeling different - maybe more relaxed

Shad still probably town though

'sometimes wants to kick him [AJ] in the head'

How is Dice helping? any actual points?

Light FOS on Thane for mixing up me and Laine another likely townspew if Laine flips mafia

Dices timing and entrance poorly done

Tells Dice off for bringing back fluff

Banters timing

Ok leaving Thane in null

Zander/Shad acting the same as normal, Yates/Aj just 'gut' already said that Shad's different in as much as he's more relaxed

Disagrees with Talya on Dice in ME.

Likes Shad, could have me as town except for my Shad read I feel like this opinion gets repeated and doesn't develop

Highlights Shad pointing out Dices tunnel

Asks Hallia bout her Thane read, and interpretation of Shads meta post.

Tells Thane that Hallia was looking for a response, not seeing Shad as mafia

Suspicious of town reading Hallia

 

Page 4 ISO

Town: Zander, SHad

Townish: Hallia, AJ, Yates

Mixed: Talya, BFG

Scummish: Dice, Thane

Null: Verb, Pral, Rand

 

Wants more time to figure out Thane; haven't seen anything scummy from Hallia and not much fluff

Explains feeling bad about Thane

Responds to me about Dice; saw the same tone in ME and SW ( ) so doesn't think it's alignment indicative.

Looking at those she's town reading (Yates, Zander, Shad) seeing a poor reaction in Dice. Dice isn't adding to the game and POE puts him in scummish pile from this shouldn't Laine have me as mafia?

Tells Talya that it's not WHY but HOW and the manner in which it was done except it's the how that's completely different, actually in this one it's different again

Laine has feelings (bad about Thane/Verb) If she's feeling bad because she said Verbs mafia game was bad, why does she feel guilty about Thane?

Town reading Hallia, so doesn't like the train. Talya and I are ??? - which means she shouldn't really be opposing lynches on Talya here

Pretty sure Hallia is town

Follow Zander if he gives a good reason

Can Yates explain Mafia read on Hallia?

Sort of agrees with me on Dice

Trying to find new stuff - AJ/Yates determining that Shad/Hallia are mafia together for jumping on Thane; do mafia link themselves that closely?

Zander tunneling; anyone else?

May be willing to go to Rand

She is flipflopping on Thane

 

 

Page 5

Sherlock and Buffy game? There was but I think I meant SpaceBalls as the game Thane was mafia in? - it's SG so I can't check

Hard time reading me back to this

Doesn't like Hallias vote on Yates, but overall town read

Doesn't know how to make Dice town read her

Doesn't see how Talya's setting up WIFOM, Talya seems frustrated

RVS=random voting stage

Yates killed Hallia right?

WIFOM to look at who Pral was targetting sure AJ is town, really good on Zander, knows she's town, need more from Verb.

Good to see town Verb, like posts with Zander

Rand isn't even reading the thread

Shad's WoT on me makes her feel better, leaning town for a bit

Bit on Dice - likes the effort I put in - a few people have said he seems town but a few of her strong town reads were reading him scummish, why value my input over theirs when I was still nullish?

Asks Zander why Rand isn't mafia?

'I don't see anything wrong with that phrase; I tend to try and think from their mindset to predict what they would do. Meh.' but in that instance you weren't predicting what they would do, you were saying what you would do. meh

Responds to AJ about Hallia, Dice, I feel the same way about to many players to hold that against Laine

 

Top town: Shad Zander Andrej

Towny: BFG Verbal Talya

Mixed: Dice

Bottom two: Thane Rand

 

Asks Zander about Thane, Dice, Me/Talya

Asks Zander about voting Rand if he thinks he's mafia with Talya/Me, isn't seeing Talya and that lynch isn't happening today

Explains mafia setting up lynches to incriminate her and Hallia.

Rand vote - Hallia killed by Yates not mafia.......

sucks as a vanilla

@Rand - she linked quotes did he read???

She's town and not a vig

Knows who doc is fwiw meh

Why aren't we voting Rand?

Appeal to Zander

Rand trying to get her lynched because he has a vig shot tonight If he's mafia isn't he just trying to get her lynched if she's town? seems unnecessary

'Zander are you seriously turning against me? You know I'm town, you believed me in the last few games and we swept mafia together. One game that I play like crap shouldn't be enough for me to get lynched. Believe me this time when I say that Rand is the way to go and not me.' Don't really like this - what do previous games have to do with alignments in this one?

 

Page 6

 

No time to do this properly

 

Rand doesn't sound like a townie trying to game solve

essentially all Rand

 

 

 

The first couple of pages were mostly fluff/banter and questioning early town reads from others. She ends up aggreeing with most of the consensus reads.

 

I don't really follow her on her Dice read; she has him as scummy; her town reads agree; I don't and he ends up in null. I know she explains this as because I did research, but her explanation forgot about her town reads. I don't know, her game's been 'clean' but quiet(?) I don't know how much of her pushes in the games I've seen are due to being cop though.

 

Most of the scummy stuff I saw was at the end under pressure, a few strangely phrased responses to Shad/Rand, ATE towards Zander - think Zander/Laine are almost never m/m?

 

Most of the cases have been made already and I can't reiterate them now.