Belichick - Mafia Eternal Night

[BFG]

TLDR: Zander is kind of a mixed bag right now.

 

 

 

The big plus is his activity and level of content; there’s a lot less fluff than I would have thought. He’s also supremely relaxed on thread (tonewise), but I’m not putting much stock in that any more. There are a lot of easily given, relaxed observations/reads/thoughts in his early game that I really like.

 

The big issue I have is his reads and how he seems to have developed them.

 

His two mafia reads both seem to have started after we’ve questioned him; Talya jokingly about his teammates and myself about his progression on Talya (although I need to check whether the original post was before or after in thread of his BFG Shad progression post). This is supremely defensive if true and at odds with his tone; so maybe I'm misjudging the reasons for his reads, and also OMGUS reads aren't alignment indicative.

 

His approach to us seems different to the rest of the thread and fairly inorganic. He uses games to determine tone similarity for Yates/AJ/Verb/Thane/Shad/Laine, but despite having both mafia and town games with me recently (not many people playing have a recent mafia game with me) he’s using expectations from how I am in the Band to determine what I ‘should’ sound like. I’m still calling bull on this. My read on Shad is gross; particularly where I say he’s not paying attention (Shad later agreed, I now think I was being harsh, meh) but AJ doesn’t get a blink for the same read. Talya, as a mod, should have known better than to fall for Yates trap, but (again) AJ doesn’t get a blink, despite also being a mod. It feels (from this end) that he’s made up his mind that we’re mafia based on ~15 pages of game play and is now using anything to justify it. The problem is that he’s not evaluating his reads at all.

 

Talya pointed out a lot of the same stuff that Zander has wrt my read on Shad, yet it isn’t factoring into his read on her. She posted about Rands re-entrance about 20 minutes before she voted him Day 1, yet Zander 'missed it', he’s said that he won’t reconsider Talya if Zander flips mafia... This refusal to re-evaluate looks awful.

 

I also don’t like that he’s using ‘too into it’ as a reason to mafia read us, not sure on Talya; but Cindy describes my mafia play as ‘reluctant’ and she’s not wrong (given that ‘reluctant’ gets me town read /shrug, I’m not changing it unless I’m in a mafia game with Cory, who I think reads me pretty well)

 

Beyond us; his reads on others is erratic, but not necessarily in a bad way. He has an extremely early town read on Thane, but that evaporates (although I believe that Thane stopped posting for a while) then comes back then goes, but is generally understandable on thread; Dice is null-town then town without any explanation, in the interim Zander called Dice wolfy over a joke post, or any additional posting by Dice inbetween (Yates seems to find Dice scummy at the same time). Laine is mayor and he’s covered why already, except at the time he said he’s explained why he’s barely mentioned her in game; although the reason can be assumed. But none of these is ‘bad’ as such, just early reads developing (maybe)

 

Read on Rand is heavily associated with Zanders read on Talya; likes Rand more when he’s mafia reading Talya... Can’t really fault him for that, I’ve been clearing AJ for similar reasons.

 

He’s been defending/soft-defending Rand and Laine all game (but was also defending Shad at several points), and this may be null dependent on their flips.

 

Interesting comparisons with Star Wars and 9-5. In 9-5 he says he had the entire team in POE by End Day 2, yet this game that’s obviously not the case because he ONLY has 2 suspects AND ISN'T looking for a third. In Star Wars, he was right about Yates, but after the cop clear thing; I’m pretty sure that beforehand he agreed that AH should be the lynch (and might be I'm misremembering). This comes back to the refusal to re-evaluate thing, in SW he WAS re-evaluating, here he’s static.

 

This is actually the biggest problem I have; he has 2 suspects and isn't looking anywhere else.

 

 

 

TLDR of the TLDR

Zander seems relaxed on thread and has posted a lot and been ~consistent (especially once he’d made up his mind that Talya/I were mafia); however it feels to me that his read on Talya and myself is based on ~15 pages of gameplay and that he’s ignoring everything since that might/should make him reconsider and I’m finding it hard to see past that stubbornness/refusal to re-evaluate. Consequently his reads feel static/inorganic/and forced.

 

I suspect that this has to do with a different approach to playing; I tend to reevaluate continuously and never fully trust anyone, he ~doesn't?.

 

How much of this is OMGUS I don’t know, but I’m feeling distinctly uneasy on Zander round about now. I'm willing to listen to people who have played with him before for a better read; my most recent game with him I was mafia and not paying attention, before that it was his first game and he's a different player now :)

[BFG]

I'll be on again in a few hours, and will review Laine then (at the least)

[BFG]

<3 Dice

[alannalynn]

Well I expected to die N1 if Dice had a shot, but I seem to be at L1 instead right now. Apparently a lot happened while I was at work. Give me a moment to catch up on what I missed and see if I can figure out what I did

[Zander?]

 

 

@Zander - IF Rand flips town, and that's a big if imo, then this is something I'd definitely consider.

 

Would also make me suspect Verb a bit as well since he's sort of bandwagoning the theory and now backing off a bit.

 

Would still rather resolve Rand first before I start to tinfoil on others when he could very well be a wolf. I would hate to get off track at this point. Town could very easily be out of firepower based on how roles were randomized and scum probably have at lease one more shot in their pocket.

 

you know what im with you on this pending Alanna's answer to Shad's question. we need the info from these two to progress this game atp.

 

[v[ Rand [/v]

 

 

 

 

I like the way Shad thinks: Rand was looking bad D1, so probably shot N1 and is out of bullets. He's a harmless wolf: he can bark, but not bite.  Rather kill a wolf that can still bite.

 

Thane is soooo town this game it scares me!!!  Good job Pops!!!

 

But we have to remember theres a 2x Vig as well.  Could Alanna's push and subsequent wolfy play be an attempt to  draw off of him and on to her cause he may be the 2x Vig?

 

 

Im starting to sketch out on Zander. These two posts make me think he is looking for a reason NOT to vote Laine

 

 

 

 

 

I like the way Shad thinks: Rand was looking bad D1, so probably shot N1 and is out of bullets. He's a harmless wolf: he can bark, but not bite. Rather kill a wolf that can still bite.

Thane is soooo town this game it scares me!!! Good job Pops!!!

 

But we have to remember theres a 2x Vig as well. Could Alanna's push and subsequent wolfy play be an attempt to draw off of him and on to her cause he may be the 2x Vig?

I just realized how ridiculous this question is. Laine's not going to sacrifice herself to preserve a night kill. You three team mates?

 

Don't answer that. Lots of other people have to die before I suss you.

 

 

PUTTING THIS FOOLISHNESS TO BED NOW!!!! 

 

 

 

 

 

This is jumping ahead a bit but if w/w Rand was more likely to shoot last night because he was more likely to get lynched today.

That is jumping ahead, I'm very sure Rand is mafia, but I'm town and not a vig.

 

Are you suggesting something or is this just worded funny?

 

 

Alanna things are starting to look really bad on you now.  Are you claiming VT or doc.  I teetering on you atp. your answer may determine your fate imo.

 

 

thoughts on Alanna's post here?  Unless everyone decides to follow me on Talya and we really kill a wolf for sure.  I gotta decide between Rand and Alanna.  This post of hers is causing me some real concerns.

 

 

As Ive stated Im wanted to wait on her response before voting her.

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is jumping ahead a bit but if w/w Rand was more likely to shoot last night because he was more likely to get lynched today.

That is jumping ahead, I'm very sure Rand is mafia, but I'm town and not a vig.

 

Are you suggesting something or is this just worded funny?

 

 

Alanna things are starting to look really bad on you now.  Are you claiming VT or doc.  I teetering on you atp. your answer may determine your fate imo.

 

 

thoughts on Alanna's post here?  Unless everyone decides to follow me on Talya and we really kill a wolf for sure.  I gotta decide between Rand and Alanna.  This post of hers is causing me some real concerns.

 

 

Thoughts?  I am looking forward to her answer.

 

 

See why here ^^^^

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure I remember seeing Laine said she doesn't play well as vanilla earlier. On my phone so dragging it up will be a pain but maybe I can grab it. She was explaining how she had been a PR the last few games so her lack of push this time around is because she's more uncertain.

 

Not sure why that equates fwiw. Even townies with PR are playing with the same perspective for the most part.

 

 

 

 

i'm pretty much certain that Hallia was not a wolf kill.....Rand, you need to step up your game, i'm getting inclined to put a vote on you.

 

i can understaand the people having some doubts about Laine. I've stated in a previous post that she is lacking the town leader spirit this game... that's how i feel about her at least.

 

Dice never reacted on where i put him on my list. I think he would have if he'd be town.

Sorry Thane, combination work and lack of sleep. To be fair, in the last three town games I had a PR so I guess I suck as a vanilla? I'm doing my best

Here it is.

 

 

nice catch here, I was waiting on Alannas response before commenting on the bottom part.

 

 

Zander gets it.  Town points for you my friend.

 

 

And here ^^^^^

 

 

 

No lynch probably means either Rand is scum or Talya and/or AJ are scum.  I don't see all 3 scum avoiding a super easy and excusable mislynch.  I don't think Talya or AJ are scum, so the maths say Rand is before I even look at his posts.

 

can you elaborate on this thought process for me brother.  also if you would  maybe humor me and base it off of Talya being a wolf?  Im not sure but im assuming this was based off off the VC from yesterday's No lynch?

 

 

My thought process is if Rand is town I think a scum would have voted him.  I don't think a scum voted him.  You do.  So my reason for sussing Rand in this instance does not hold for you.

 

 

According to your own Logic Shad how do I make sense as a Wolf??

 

I think this makes it pretty clear IM WAITING on Alanna's answer before I vote.  Ive said I would consider switching and her answer will determine that.  I made my thoughts about Rand because they were there and I wanted a sounding board.  I also like the idea of what SHAD said concerning Rand's flip.  And if Alanna does freaking flip wolf I will die inside.  I had her as town most of the game till recently so this will be shame on me but shame on you for betraying me!!!!.  Want to give her the chance to answer my question before passing judgement as it will cement things for me.

 

Shad you of all people to question me after seeing this together blows my freaking mind.  Dice not so much cause he goes back and forth on reading me at least once or twice per game.

 

 

 

I am town.  this shouldn't be a question imo. Please give your heads a shake,

[alannalynn]

 

Verbal's post I'm quoting from: Here

Ouch.  All that green is you giving yourself an out to change reads.  Lots of "cautiously" putting people in a pile, and needing further review.  Spoken like a wolf that wants to commit to as few reads as possible, and is happy playing off of everybody else.

 

As for the red....huh?  You're saying the wolves killed Pral to literally incriminate you?  Why?  You weren't being a town leader, and you weren't a lynch candidate going into D2.  Why would the wolves kill Pral based on what you're saying?  Am I missing your point here, or are you actually saying they killed Pral to create wifom on you?

 I'm really not trying to give myself an out, I'm just not finding the time I needed to thoroughly read some of these players. I wouldn't say I'm on the fence with BFG, I have her in town and I want to move her up more with an ISO; she's staying up there. Talya I have in town but I'm reserved about it because of Zander's insistence that she's scum. Dice was the only one I was truly fence sitting on, but he is in my bottom three with Thane and Rand who I wouldn't mind lynching atp.

Second part: No not to incriminate me, but me and Hally. The mafia couldn't have known that Hallia really would be vigged, so they could be setting up her lynch for the next day. That's what I meant by knowing her alignment and mine.

If Hallia had not been killed last night, would Pral's death have made you suspicious of her?

With how Yates was going after her? Maybe maybe not. I wouldn't ignore the possibility that that's why they killed him, but that's then and there.

 

 

 

This is jumping ahead a bit but if w/w Rand was more likely to shoot last night because he was more likely to get lynched today.

That is jumping ahead, I'm very sure Rand is mafia, but I'm town and not a vig.

Are you suggesting something or is this just worded funny?

Worded funny.

 

 

 

 

This is jumping ahead a bit but if w/w Rand was more likely to shoot last night because he was more likely to get lynched today.

That is jumping ahead, I'm very sure Rand is mafia, but I'm town and not a vig.

Are you suggesting something or is this just worded funny?

 

Alanna things are starting to look really bad on you now.  Are you claiming VT or doc.  I teetering on you atp. your answer may determine your fate imo.

I am vanilla town right now and being that I already claimed that, I'm probably NOT claiming doc lol, I know who the doc is though, fwiw

 

 

 

This is jumping ahead a bit but if w/w Rand was more likely to shoot last night because he was more likely to get lynched today.

I wasn't here during night, remember I popped in thinking it was day 1, and it was day 2.

You just...

is this...

did this post just happen?

Scummy scummy is scummy. Why are we not voting him again? I repeat: Why the freaking heck aren't we lynching this wolf instead of me?

 

BTW if y'all are going to only respond to one part of a quote, cut it down omg

 

I remember flipping out in DT when Eldrick started making awkward reads like these during the final day phase of Star Wars, because he was painting such a huge target on himself that I thought it would suck all of the attention back off of Yates.  I think at this point we have to stop asking whether Rand's thought process makes sense and ask instead whether his conclusions push a scum agenda.  (Pretty sure they do but I'm going to give it a second read.)  And we have to look at his interplay with Laine especially.

 

If Rand and Laine are w/w, we are in great shape.  If they are v/v, we are totally lost.  I don't even want to humor v/v here because I'd like to think 64 pages have gotten us somewhere.  I'm not completely ruling out w/v yet, and I don't want to all in on Rand tonight until we've sorted it out.  We need to lynch with the objective of best possible chance to eliminate a scum vig shot.  If we end up resolving on w/w, we lynch Laine, both because Rand would have been more likely to shoot between the two of them (he was likely to get lynched today) and because Rand argued that he wasn't around during night phase.  (If w/w the only plausible reason I see for him to say this is because I was right about Laine still having an NK and his being burnt.)

 

Town with me here?

 

And now to dig in to this mess.

So you're saying that you want to lynch me instead of a wolf in the event that we're both wolves so that you can eliminate a vig shot? I can assure you that Rand and I are w/v, at this point I have no doubts. He's trying to get me lynched so he can use his shot tonight because as he claimed "he wasn't around" last night to use it.

 

 

@Zander/Thane - would you consider moving to Laine?

 

If you two plus me move over that will be hammer and at the very least we can guarantee a lynch.

 

i will but I think Rands flip confirms BOTH Alanna and Talya imo.  Im really thinking it gives more game solve.  Rand flips Town Talya is a Wolf  Rand flips Wolf it confirms Alanna a Wolf.  Thoughts?

So now you're willing to vote Rand? Why not before? And how does Talya connect to Rand, feels like you're reaching there, Zander. I think you just want anyone to be a wolf with Talya at this point so that you can lynch her, which I find odd because she's being heavily town read. At least in SW there was solid proof Yates was mafia but here you don't have the same benefits. If she ends up flipping mafia though, hats off to you for being right again when no once else would listen.

 

 

I think this makes it pretty clear IM WAITING on Alanna's answer before I vote.  Ive said I would consider switching and her answer will determine that.  I made my thoughts about Rand because they were there and I wanted a sounding board.  I also like the idea of what SHAD said concerning Rand's flip.  And if Alanna does freaking flip wolf I will die inside.  I had her as town most of the game till recently so this will be shame on me but shame on you for betraying me!!!!.  Want to give her the chance to answer my question before passing judgement as it will cement things for me.

Zander are you seriously turning against me? You know I'm town, you believed me in the last few games and we swept mafia together. One game that I play like crap shouldn't be enough for me to get lynched. Believe me this time when I say that Rand is the way to go and not me.

[alannalynn]

I'm still around if you want to talk this through. I took tonight off work so I can stay on later than usual. Been working too damn hard this week to work another day before hell-week starts Sunday. lol Gonna look back at Rand and see if I missed anything but I'm VERY extremely positive he's a wolf.

[alannalynn]

First part, posting in case someone tries to hammer me. I really think Rand is the best course of action here.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/94787-belichick-mafia-day-two/?view=findpost&p=3509704
Here he tries to explain away his intro wot full of bad reads

"Sorry, I missed your reasoning on this, was this because I was inactive or townread Thane or something else? Also curious on why you're assuming that the most active participants are town (or you're townreading them), since scum usually likes to have one active participant in the mix to manipulate opinions to what they need"

This was really scummy because it feels like he's adding in doubt on the top posters in the game, like he knows they're all town and wants them to start looking at each other. Maybe a wolf mate is in the bottom post counts?

Also this is the post where he says he missed the whole night. I'm not sure whether to believe him or not, but I think based on his jump to me at this point that he really didn't use his shot and is trying to save it for the mafia team by not getting himself lynched. He also only just noticed that he never actually voted me in this post, which I find odd. Seems like he bailed on the thread and hasn't been keeping up.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/94787-belichick-mafia-day-two/?view=findpost&p=3509872
This is where he asks why Yates would kill Hallia which is SO WEIRD since she was a lynch candidate yesterday before he came along and stuck foot in mouth, so to speak.
 

"Haven't read enough to have strong reads on anyone yet, but just because someone has sway with town, doesn't mean they are town. Although obvious, might be a good thing to keep in mind on why they weren't killed. I'll read up through the thread later though, and see how I feel about them."

This, again putting doubt in the higher ranks. And how does he not have strong reads, town or otherwise at this point in the game? Am I not even a suspect here?

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/94787-belichick-mafia-day-two/?view=findpost&p=3510352

In response to my post, he acts like he's reading the thread and took at look at my proof for the Yates vig shot, but then later, iirc, says he never even clicked the links in the first place?! This doesn't sound like a townie trying to game solve.

This post right here:

I'm actually just going to post everything at once at work, but here's one post after my WoT on 24 that Im going to reply to because I'll forget about it after.
 

 

Thane being a sudden D1 wagon should be enough.
I'm willing to settle on him saying he's not scum to let him ride. Shad/Hallia scum imo
Maybe both? Don't feel particularly good about either

I really just want more time to figure Thane out, but I think his response to Hallia asking about his reads was a little snippy. I haven't seen anything scummy from Hallia as of yet, are you just placing her there because of your scum lean on Shad and that she supports the Thane lynch with him? Curious.

Hallia is actually a lot more solid than I've seen her in the past which is good because what has struck me about her in previous games is the fluffy-ness coming from her. I don't see much fluff right now, which I consider good.

 

Hally has fluff every single game, more of her personality, which she says, that in previous game she has fluffy-ness. Its not alignment indicative, but for some reason Laine considers it a good sign, and then Hally gets killed by the mafia. If Laine calls Hally town early on, and then kills her to see the flip, it might help her gain more town cred for reading her correctly. Scum read increasing.

 

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/94787-belichick-mafia-day-two/?view=findpost&p=3510659

"Tbh... I didn't really click those posts I just figured I'd catch it on my reread. And I hadn't gotten to the Yates/Hally part yet since I started on page 1, because I thought it might give me a more thorough read.

Also, Laine, why are you claiming right now for no reason?"

Seriously though? Also, claiming because I probably should.
 

Ohhh, kinda get it? Lol at the slip that just does not happen, I was actually known for accidentally letting slip I was scum in one game, by literally stating I was scum or something similar. The best part is that I still won that game. It was a long time ago, Basel's Executioner Game I think.

Not the best time to bring this up? lol

[alannalynn]

Second part. Did I mention sorry about the formatting? I don't have the time and frame of mind to make it look pretty; I'm sure y'all can figure it out.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/94787-belichick-mafia-day-two/?view=findpost&p=3510784

"K, this is a little tinfoil, but imo at least one mafia/wolf would want to know why Yates had a scum read on someone if that person was town, because if valid enough, scum would have a reason to bw on the train all the way to lynch town, while having Yates lead it (who we also know is town), as a perfect excuse.  I also believe because of this that Yates wasn't killed by the mafia, because they would have wanted to keep him alive to put the blame on for killing Hally.  Anyways, this leads me to thinking one of Shad and Laine is mafia, and since I have a townread on Shad right now, and a maf read on Laine, I'm leaning towards Laine being mafia."

So I'm being read mafia by you by process of elimination? I'm thinking it's pretty very extremely possible that we're both town, unless Shad is playing the best scum game of his life, because I'm certainly playing my worst town game ever.
 

"Not only that, but she "jokingly" brought up all the other joke votes on her, trying to exaggerate the voting into almost a train that would make people stop voting her and give an opening for maf partners to start questioning the people joining the train like Dice.  Then she can hop on and say, yeah they tried to lynch me in the disguise of joke votes.  That's how it sounded when I read it honestly, for the second time too."

Who in their right mind would push a lynch through on all joke votes LOL This is reaching, you were exaggerating on how I reacted to the votes on me during a more jokey time in the game. I've already explained my reactions anyways, but this post of yours doesn't do good for your own explanations

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/94787-belichick-mafia-day-two/?view=findpost&p=3510785

Can you explain WHAT was pinging you in those posts instead of just pointing them out? Again, why is Andrej a scum read?

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/94787-belichick-mafia-day-two/?view=findpost&p=3510970

"Like I said, Im' trying to find new points in my rereads, so that I'm not just boring you guys with info you already know and just sheeping people who already did the work.  And at the same time what I'm saying is someone probably thought Yates was mafia and tried to go for the hero kill and killed a town instead.  I'm still agreeing that Yates killed Hallia, I don't see what so unbelivable about that.  Is it so hard to belive that mafia just used one kill and killed Pral? Also, if there are 13 people starting, and mafia kill one person each night, and we lynch one person each night, and lets say for kicks we're wrong all 4 times, that puts us at 5 people left, 3 of which who are wolves, who now will win.  I can see them only using 1 kill per night, and this night on Pral."

BOLD: Doubt. Who killed Yates then? Did you use your shot last night scum?

 

Underlined: Do you really? Did you read my links then, because you found it pretty unbelievable before right now

 

Red: I don't know you tell me. I think you're worried you'll lose your shot today and that's why you want the lynch to go through on me. I know that I'm right on this.

 

Zander you still online?

[alannalynn]

If I keep posting I can claim this whole page to myself. Who's here to talk to?

[alannalynn]

    UN-Official Vote Count:

    Laine (5/6): Dice, Tayla, Shad, Thane, Rand
    Rand (3/7) Aj, Alanna, Zander

    Not Voting: BFG, Verbal

 

[Shad_]

Getting interesting. Mixed thoughts imo. Gronk claim sounds crazy but I'm not a mod. Rand's saying 1x vig and Laine's trying to incriminate him further. Not sure it goes down this way if w/w. At any rate my argument that they're trying to preserve an nk is getting stretched thin.

 

Laine's game is def off if town, and her hesitance on Rand prior to everyone pressuring her is out of character with her town game IMO regardless of his alignment. (Makes the w/w case look good though.)

 

Rand's game is unfamiliar to me but looks scummy in obvious ways. His arguments are kind of illogical but consistently so, to the point where it could be like I felt about Eldrick at times in SW. I just don't see scum avoiding an easy N1 mislynch though and Rand could have gone down without a struggle.

 

Both flips can be informative but one does not clear the other, a little less comfortable believing w/w though. Rand says he has a town vig, Laine claims VT. Not going to speculate who has an NK if w/w now considering the vig claim. Rand could be 2x and Laine could have been the second shot N1, or this could be w/v.

 

Thoughts? I can switch targets as long as we don't end up split and no lynch. I have strong poe orders in mind for all 3 outcomes but we'll have lost before we can test them if too much goes wrong. If there isn't at least 1 scum between them wolves are looking more town than town and it's close to gg already.

[Shad_]

Laine, that suggestion of both of you as possible town is weird to me. It means three scum between AJ, BFG, Zander, Talya, Dice, Thane, Verbal. If so this wolf team is pretty impressive. Do you have any thoughts on 3 scum in that pile?

[Shad_]

Also if w/w Laine can aggro all day on Rand because the dirt is there. Rand's vig claim is what's really tripping me. I'd think he wouldn't go out of his way to give us cause to keep him alive if scum plan is clear Laine by bussing Rand.

[alannalynn]

Shad not thoroughly reading posts ITT lol That was in response to Rand saying that one of you or me is mafia, and because you're town, I must be mafia. Seems like crappy logic to me (pot. kettle), but I'm sure you and I are town/town.

 

If I were to go with scum right now, just Rand, and look from there. I want to take a second look at everyone, but that's up to whether I survive the day or night. At this point right now, I think Rand is the way to go and we can connect people from there, if that makes sense?

[alannalynn]

 

Official Vote Count 13:

 

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (1/7): Dice

Hally (2/7) Thane, Pralaya

Tayla(1/7) Zander

Rand (5/7) Shad, Tayla, Aj, Hally, Yates

 

Not Voting (3/13):

BFG, Verb, Laine, 

 

Speaking of which, if Rand is a wolf, there's probably one wolf on his train (bussing). If he's town, there's more than one wolf here potentially. Being that we know Hally/Yates, that brings Shad, AJ, Talya into the light. Although, the fact that he didn't get lynched yesterday also lends to the possibility of him being mafia. I like the info gained here, as opposed to my lynch, obviously.

[Shad_]

Logic says all else being equal we lynch Laine because she claimed vt and Rand claimed vig. But I really would like to get it right today because with so many vig shots we could lose fast.

[alannalynn]

Then get it right and vote Rand, I don't know how much simpler I can say it. HE HAS A SHOT. HE IS MAFIA AND HAS A SHOT. LYNCH HIM.

[Talya]

That is a better Alanna, She should have been posting like this before imo.

 

I don't particularly like Alanna nor Rand right now, I think there are points against both of them. I'm happy to move to Rand, but I'm with Shad, we need to ensure a lynch today, and not waste this day, so still content to stay where I am.

 

Alanna, who are your strong town reads?

 

You must have other Wolf reads by now, not just Rand, we on D2?

[Shad_]

 

 

Official Vote Count 13:

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (1/7): Dice

Hally (2/7) Thane, Pralaya

Tayla(1/7) Zander

Rand (5/7) Shad, Tayla, Aj, Hally, Yates

Not Voting (3/13):

BFG, Verb, Laine,

 

Speaking of which, if Rand is a wolf, there's probably one wolf on his train (bussing). If he's town, there's more than one wolf here potentially. Being that we know Hally/Yates, that brings Shad, AJ, Talya into the light. Although, the fact that he didn't get lynched yesterday also lends to the possibility of him being mafia. I like the info gained here, as opposed to my lynch, obviously.

I don't like this post. It sounds like you're saying if Rand flips scum we should suss everybody.

 

Why would a wolf bus Rand D1 when there weren't enough town voting him to secure the lynch? Just doesn't seem practical. They should have been pushing Hallia, no? And then you say he might have survived BECAUSE he is scum, which is what I'm thinking, but these thoughts are not compatible. (Should check who was pushing Hallia besides Pral and Yates if things go bad.)

 

I would have been more willing to humor a switch to Rand first if he hadn't claimed vig, and judging by Rand's approach to this game I could see him making a claim without consulting wolf QT first. /shrug

[Shad_]

Then get it right and vote Rand, I don't know how much simpler I can say it. HE HAS A SHOT. HE IS MAFIA AND HAS A SHOT. LYNCH HIM.

What makes you think he has a shot?

[Shad_]

 

Then get it right and vote Rand, I don't know how much simpler I can say it. HE HAS A SHOT. HE IS MAFIA AND HAS A SHOT. LYNCH HIM.

What makes you think he has a shot?

As scum that is. If town he has a shot of course.

[seph]

Official Vote Count 15:

 

Laine (5/6): Dice, Tayla, Shad, Thane, Rand

Rand (3/6)  Aj, Alanna, Zander

 

Not Voting (2/10):

BFG, Verb

[Shad_]

I have to check out for an hour or two, still would rather lynch Laine today, but you all have some more content to chew on.

[Talya]

 

 

Then get it right and vote Rand, I don't know how much simpler I can say it. HE HAS A SHOT. HE IS MAFIA AND HAS A SHOT. LYNCH HIM.

What makes you think he has a shot?

As scum that is. If town he has a shot of course.

 

 

If she was wolf with him and he didn't have one and she did? so pushing his train?