Belichick - Mafia Eternal Night

[Andrej]

Pretty much caught up now - one more batch of quotes to run through.

[Andrej]

i think in a game with THIS MANY POSSIBLE KILLS i dont think No Lynch is the way to go at all.  We gotta narrow the PoE field and a lynch will help that imo.  We dont want random "Hero" shots killing innocents.  we need to gather all and whatever information we can before Nightfall so shots arent wasted.  Hopefully like i think Yates or AJ said people dont jump the gun (pun intended) on random killing.  Gotta make em count and we need solid info to do this!!!

 

Shad's idea wasn't bad if you look at it from the angle of No lynching = not lynching villagers to help out the wolves with limited NKs. I get what you're saying though and agree that without getting some concrete evidence down we would basically just be shooting in the dark and hoping for the best. Also really don't like having to rely on wolves for info because they can control/manipulate it to their benefit.

 

 

Good morning - I'm hungover.

 

Rereading from yesterday morning

 

I FEEL YOUR PAIN BROTHER!!!

 

let me know when your caught up.  We need to figure this out.

 

 

And of course I passed out, my bad. Thankfully the DL got extended

 

This is the post some people are using to make Thane look scummy? This is town Thane if anything.

 

As far as I remember, Thane is less defensive when scummy and when he is scum, he tries to forcefully pick small things when he voting others. He often looks forced and deliberately picky when he is scum. A defensive Thane is town and that is what I am seeing here.

 

On the top, I would believe Hallia would know Thane very well and her voting Thane this game looks to be exploiting a weak link. Not getting good vibes from her.

Same with Alanna. Here flip-flopping on Thane looks forced and trying hard to town-tell. 

 

AJ is town telling like crazy here. As I read through the game, I had similar thoughts as AJ.

 

Looks like Yates is town too. His gambit and analysing the responses is typical town Yates. I don't necessarily accept his reasoning though.

 

Have no idea how Shad, Zander and Talya play. Need to watch out more. 

 

Liking BFG  too. Here responses are straightforward but this post was kinda off. Looks like a subtle effort in trying to put the focus on Thane.

 

Verbal, Rand and Dice are null. Although  Dice and Rand posted, I don't see anything from their posts (Actually, to be honest, I skipped Rand's long WoT .. too much to read when you are reading 28 pages at a stretch !)

 

Gut feel, one or both of Hallia and Alanna are scum.

 

Generally a pretty well thought out post imo. Though, I am a little weirded out because I don't think you've ever town read me as town

 

Should I be worried?

 

My vote would be on Hallia.

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

There have been some suggestions from Yates and Shad on no-voting today. I don't agree. Especially with town also being vigs, the game is going to be mostly blind if there are no flips. I am pretty sure if we no-lynch, neither town nor scum is going to kill anyone and it will be back to square-one tomorrow. 

 

That's a very real possibility and one that would suck.

 

 

Shad probably a wolf tho.

 

He is squirrely this game. I almost wrote a post last night asking "am I the only one that seems to be looking askance at my screen a little bit too much when Shad posts?" But decided to see how the evening conversation would play out without my observation. Then I thought about supporting him publicly in thread and taking a hero shot tonight. But I decided that might not be the best strategy in a vig game...

 

So Hally and Shad. Just need #3...

 

I know what you mean - I've had similar moments reading some of his posts from early on, particularly on the subject of me/BFG but his later stuff is more promising.

 

 

Shad/Hallia scum imo

 

Maybe both? Don't feel particularly good about either

WE ARE BACK, BABY!!!

 

 

 

Fwiw I'm reconsidering on Shad - Hallia still null/scummy for me.

[Andrej]

 

There is no good resoning, they're just reinforcing my thoughts on them.

 

Not impressed by Prals catch up either.

 

If I'm lynched today that's ok, I hope it would cement my reads and give town good stuff to go off, as my reads are awesomeeeee

 

???   Try harder

 

Trust your gut, Lainey. She is probably the droid you are looking for.

 

Wait. Wrong game.

 

She is the scrub backup trying to steal your job by putting bengay in your jock.

 

My gut is awful a lot of the time, but I knew Hallia was mafia in Middle Earth even though EVERYONE told me I was wrong. I'm pretty sure I'm right here.

 

Like your reaction to Hallia in the top post.

 

Bold: <.<; ....no clue what you're talking about.

 

Taste my rainbow.

 

 

Shad was the one who debunked Yates theory...

 

Yes - and? iirc he didn't say anything else on the matter afterwards. THAT's the point I was making.

 

Page 16 and not going to get to the end before deadline.

 

Thus far I'm liking Hallia at a general level, she's commenting, forming reads from the major events although quiet.

 

Possible ping in that I think I remember from her reread today not liking Yates early (from earlier today) but when she initially read the thread Yates/AH were her town reads. I can't check this right now though and remember liking more from her posts than that is a negative, if that makes sense.

 

I dont see Talyas earlier ISOs from mafia, particularly the one on Thane.

 

Not particularly happy with either of these trains

 

I'm okay with this post as a whole.

 

ummmm Because I dont trust wolves LDO.

 

I can see why Talya is getting frustrated with you...

 

...that said I did laugh a little at this lol

 

Laine

 

Re Dice. I can sort of see what you mean, and need to read ME in context. In ISO Dice in ME sounds nothing like Dice in SW or here based on conviction and tone. It's not the action, although partly that, but the way he does it. He builds up to the vote in ME, in SW he votes straight away. This is different because he votes and reasons afterwards, but the tone/language is closer to SW than ME

 

Town pending more info imo

 

Pretty well said and generally I would agree even without taking a harder look at Dice's posts this game. This is sort of one of those 'how to read Dice' tips.

 

Shad talk me through Thane

 

You seemed to think he looked better than in SW. Then voted with a thank god iirc

 

I didn't like the reversal either. Still don't, in a way, but he did a fair job explaining himself later imo.

 

I get it and I need to read him in ME in context, but he's nowhere near my wtl list if not yet out of tinfoil territory.

I'd also like AJ/Yates opinion here they read him ~well

 

I'll need to look closer at him - I agree with Laine's point and can understand why she doesn't like the vote or how he's handling it, but... yeah I don't think that makes Dice scum more often than not. There was another part at some point that I don't remember where he makes a off-hand joke to Yates that I thought was pretty genuine sounding. I would have him tentative null/leaning town for now.

 

So sorry I didn't let ya'll know sooner though, that was my bad.

 

#worstmodever

 

 

Shad talk me through Thane

 

You seemed to think he looked better than in SW. Then voted with a thank god iirc

 

Ok, so early in SW, Thane comes in with a few key points.  Don't trust Darthe, Seph seems fishy, no excuses for low post counts.  100 pages later, this is still all he's got.  Prodded him for more, received nothing but repetition and excuses.  Flips scum.

Now in this game, he shows up with a few key points.  Give quiet players a chance.  Zander seems town.  I said early thoughts out of Thane was promising, and that town!Thane should become obvious over time.  Time has passed and it's not obvious.  A few of us were questioning him last night and he came up with:

 

is it wrong to say that people who haven't even played yet shouldn't be lynched? I don't think so. 

 

I'm wary of people who either fully townread me D1 or vote me D1.... people who townread me D1 have TMI, in my opinion. People who vote me go for an obvious easy mislynch D1. That's how i feel about it, anyways.

 

As for Zander, i get more of a town feeling than null on him. I honestly think that we'd notice in his gamestyle if he'd have randed wolf. And, in the case of him fooling me, i'll disown him.  

 

D1 is the hardest day of the entire game. I'm better at connecting dots after a flip than reading players on what is said D1. 

 

Zander as town, too early for me to make other reads.  Stagnation and excuses.  This feels really devoid of interest in figuring this game out.  Town read on Zander, woohoo.  So I ISO'd his D1 as town in American Gods.  I felt he was more proactive there.  OMGUS on Hallia was sort of icing on the cake, and while Laya made a noteworthy observation which held true in Star Wars--scum Thane is not defensive--that's not enough for me to excuse him.  If Thane is town, he can show me by taking an interest in solving things.

 

One thing I find curious is that in SW he was all about "don't trust low post counts", and this was when absent town!AH was scum's top mislynch priority.  (Granted his partners had relatively low post counts too.)  In this game he's saying to give players who haven't posted much yet a chance.  If Thane flips scum, heh, it will be something to think about at least.  Absent players at the time were Laya, Rand, and Verbal.  I'm not at all stoked about Rand's catch-up posts and I'm still null on Laya, who has defended Thane.  They are at least players to keep an eye on if Thane is scum.

 

Thanks for explaining. I really didn't like the flip flop of your read so that you could end up on Thane - but I can accept your reasoning here at least.

 

Bold: The difference in mindset could literally be as simple as a difference in alignment - food for thought.

 

I'm trying to find anything new. What I see is AJ/Yates determining Hally is scum with Shad because they both managed to jump on the Thane wagon together? Additionally Shad is playing weird according to a few people. What makes you so sure Thane is town that it would make Hally/Shad scum?  Also, I don't see a mafia play where two teammates are so obviously together on votes like that. (this is probably overly simplified)

 

Not my words. I am/was wary of both for their own individual reasons - that said I do think them both jumping on Thane wasn't a good look.

[BFG]

Hmmmm can't quote, I've just got to Dice's reentry and can't be as confident anymore :/ direct tone still feels more town than not, but his 'justifying' the tone as hungover seems strange, as does Thanes saying Dice doesn't normally do stuff like that. Stuff like what in particular?

[BFG]

*Can't multiquote

[BFG]

AJ, saw your more recent posts on Shad and see what you mean.

[Hallia]

How is it not a good look? He does this as scum. I have seen it time and again - he latches onto an irrelevant topic and harps on it, refusing to comment on gameplay wherein giving an opinion would allow him to be read as town or wolf.

[Andrej]

How is it not a good look? He does this as scum. I have seen it time and again - he latches onto an irrelevant topic and harps on it, refusing to comment on gameplay wherein giving an opinion would allow him to be read as town or wolf.

 

I think this argument is getting taken out of a context fwiw. If I'm remembering things correctly Thane mentioned them first, but then every time afterwards it was because it was in response to someone else bringing up the fact he mentioned them. So - I don't think he's really focusing on that singularly so much as just responding to people commenting on it.

[Andrej]

AJ, saw your more recent posts on Shad and see what you mean.

 

Which ones and on what point?

[BFG]

Regarding Yates no lynch theory.

[Hallia]

His reaction to my prodding was gross, and if you can't see that then I can't help you Sandy Eggo buddy

 

Altogether I feel good about my vote, and have yet to see anything that warrants it more.

[BFG]

Shads reaction to Yates no lynch theory

[Andrej]

[v]Rand[/v] btw.

 

Think there's a good chance we found a wolf here with the type of arguments he is pushing.

 

Feeling pretty good on some of my town reads.

 

Zander/Talya two of my stronger.

Shad is trending up. 

I feel pretty good about BFG and reasonably okay with Yates and Laine. 

Thane probably a villager too.

 

Pral seems okay at first glance but I'll need some time to read him better - he's tricked me in the past but thus far I liked his entry.

 

Dice still mostly null.

Hallia more on the scummy side of null but still has some redeeming qualities.

 

Rand probably scum.

 

Verb hasn't posted yet - so no clue.

[Andrej]

Regarding Yates no lynch theory.

 

Right - sorry. Forgot that I had responded to you in one of my MQs :)

[Hallia]

Could follow you with Rand, as he also has done nothing to warrant a town read.

[Darthe]

I'm working on my health insurance license.  I've taken 40 exams today.

[Darthe]

Halp

[Andrej]

Quit your job imo

[Shad_]

His reaction to my prodding was gross, and if you can't see that then I can't help you Sandy Eggo buddy

 

Altogether I feel good about my vote, and have yet to see anything that warrants it more.

 

Thoughts on Rand?

[Hallia]

See previous page-null to suck - he has done nothing to make me think him town.

[Darthe]

Quit your job imo

I just got this job!  

[BFG]

Up to today, Hallia had Yates as town in her catchup today as well. I like the consistency here.

[Hallia]

Scum*

 

Dat autocorrect

[Andrej]

Wanted to do some research on Thane because I think this Verb/Pral thing is getting overplayed.

 

i find all the football talk quite distracting..... must be me, i guess.

 

I doubt we'll see either Verb or Pral this weekend (verb is never on and Pral doesn't do D1 i guess).

 

No real suspect from my part at the moment, but i'll try to check a bit more tomorrow.

 

*hands more booze around*

 

it's weekend after all

 

First mention of them - simple enough.

 

 

i find all the football talk quite distracting..... must be me, i guess.

 

I doubt we'll see either Verb or Pral this weekend (verb is never on and Pral doesn't do D1 i guess).

 

No real suspect from my part at the moment, but i'll try to check a bit more tomorrow.

 

*hands more booze around*

 

it's weekend after all

 

wolfy imo

 

teammates of yours?

 

no thoughts on anyone?

 

villagery imo

 

Conclusion: Null on Thane.

 

Gets questioned by Zander about mentioning the two:

 

for the moment, Zander is the only one i trust here. I can always Vig him if he betrays me in another game.

 

As for Verb and Pral, they'd be 0 info lynches. Would be nice to wreck some wolves without too much town casualties this game, and we'd need to gather info to do so, right?

 

I'll be coming and going this weekend, depending on how the kids want to spend their time *nods*

 

Responding to Zander here. Probably could've been done better because he isn't really addressing Zander's question - still, this was prompted by someone else bringing it up first.

 

goodmorning all *has coffee and distributes where necessary*

 

Alanna: i tend to ping all the time, it has gotten me mislynched quite a few times. But it's how i play. If someone townreads me D1, that player is suspicious to me.

 

BFG: Happy to see you! Very nice entrance. I noticed you saw me mentioning Verb and Pral and me not wanting to lynch them. I don't, they need to play first. As far as lynching goes: the prime suspect would give most information, and personally i don't feel like there's a lot of diffirence between lynching a likely wolf and an infolynch. After all: you lynch suspects to get to a wolf, all the time.

 

Dice: wow, didn't think you would be in. and some post it is.... interesting.  

 

Again - responding to someone mentioning it, this time to BFG. His explanation is good enough at face value imo. 

 

Also probably important to note - these 3 posts are made consecutively in his ISO. So Thane wasn't around to talk about anything else, and to me it seems he's only talking about it because people are questioning him over it.

 

Now let's look at your post Hallia:

 

 

[EDITED OUT]

 

I disagree on the null.  There was lots to comment on and he picks Verb/Pral's being mia?

 

for the moment, Zander is the only one i trust here. I can always Vig him if he betrays me in another game.

 

As for Verb and Pral, they'd be 0 info lynches. Would be nice to wreck some wolves without too much town casualties this game, and we'd need to gather info to do so, right?

 

I'll be coming and going this weekend, depending on how the kids want to spend their time *nods*

 

And still going down that vein alone...  I'm not even finished reading but

 

Vote: Thane

 

Not true. From the point of Thane's post you quoted there and the time you made this one Thane has done a decent amount of talking and none about Verb/Pral once people stopped bringing it up. I've spoilered all of them below. The only redeeming quality of this post is the fact you state you haven't read him in full yet - but even so, still not a good look for you because now you're admitting to making uninformed decisions and that's not smart play.

 

i'm not at all surprised there. After all these games, you still haven't figured out how i play yet? good... 

 

Let me just try to figure out your teammates before i vote you, yes?

 

Kinda love Thane's reaction after seeing it again. To paraphrase he's saying something like: "You serious? Way to out yourself, wolf"

 

 

 

 

no harm done 

 

dice feels ... snipy/agressive ? Not sure what to make of that.

 

interesting. I mentioned it because it's quite unusual for you to do things like that (in my opinion). We'll see where this will lead *nods* not bad, dice, not bad.

 

unlike the previous game, there's 0% chance i'll flip scum here. 

 

as  for entrance, i like how you get into the game immediately BFG. No fluff there. So, i'm mixed. Either very town and on it, or wolf and doing everything to hide.

 

mind if i treat you as a suspect, BFG?

 

scum AJ is hard to find. That's my experience. I haven't found the subtleties yet that distinguish his wolf from his town game.

 

tbh: if town, really helpful. So, not someone i'd lynch right away. The longer he survives and the more townies die, he becomes more suspicious.

 

 

 

[Andrej]

See previous page-null to suck - he has done nothing to make me think him town.