[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia

[Darthe]

 

 

Darthe is townreading me.

Darthe is going out of his way to insult me, harass me, belittle me, trying to ridicule my reads and in general dismiss what I'm saying.

 

I can't find a town motivation behind that.

 

He is a wolf.

Biggest town motivation possible.  If I can get you to sub your slot won't be wasted.

 

 

Reported. I hope you get modkilled.

 

So you mean to say that me being an incessant prick who doesn't update his stances or base his motivations on things relevant to helping my team in particular is a bad thing?  Maybe even outside of the spirit of the game?

 

Hmm.  That's an interesting philosophical point you bring to light Csarmi.  I'd be interested in hearing you explore it further.

[Darthe]

 

The strongest thing Laine has going for her IMO is that she pretty much declared her intent to lynch Leelou long before it was a foregone conclusion that she would be the lynch.  The actual vote timing makes it possible to be a self-preservation vote on a teammate, and I put NO stock in Leelou's retaliation vote whatsoever.  But the fact that Laine actually seemed to be leaning that way with a few hours to go is a good sign.

 

I agree.  I similarly think you're being particularly cautious about this EoD.  

[Shad_]

I'm not taking this any longer. Let me know when Darthe has been lynched or modkilled and I'll start playing again.

 

No offense, but Darthe is not singling you out and I feel like you have spent the vast majority of this game baiting him to fight with you.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

The strongest thing Laine has going for her IMO is that she pretty much declared her intent to lynch Leelou long before it was a foregone conclusion that she would be the lynch.  The actual vote timing makes it possible to be a self-preservation vote on a teammate, and I put NO stock in Leelou's retaliation vote whatsoever.  But the fact that Laine actually seemed to be leaning that way with a few hours to go is a good sign.

 

I agree.  I similarly think you're being particularly cautious about this EoD.  

 

 

Go on....

[csarmi]

@Clov: I feel that Leelou's stance on me was par for the course. I did have some faint vibes of her trying to pocket me, but nothing that didn't fit into her town game. I don't remember being on a team with her so I dunno how she would treat me. Perhaps somewhat more annoyed... She genuinely dislikes my play and interacting me during mafia. BTW as townie she might treat me somewhat more hostile too (hence the faint pocketing vibe).

[Clovdyx]

I had a few quotes copied for her interactions with Thane/Verbal, but I lost them.  Don't really care to go back and get them all again, so you can all look for yourselves if you doubt me - she did literally nothing to establish a "read" on them this game.  The ONLY thing she said about Thane was in her opening post, he was "chatty" and that she'd need to read Verbal.

 

With Verbal, she made two early fluff posts after he came in.  This was the only actual GAMEPLAY between the two:

 

 

Dice

Eldrick

Salami

Yates

Sili

Leelou

 

Is my town group so far.  Feel good about these players.

 

I'd add Sooh and Laine to your list. I'd like to see Dice move oout of his tunnel though. 

 

 

 

 

 

Dice

Eldrick

Salami

Yates

Sili

Leelou

 

Is my town group so far.  Feel good about these players.

 

I'd add Sooh and Laine to your list. I'd like to see Dice move oout of his tunnel though. 

 

 

Re: the bold - it still means he's a villager, though.  Do you agree?

 

 

Yes, I think he's pretty much in his town range. 

 

 

 

 

 

Now I could be way off base here, but I think somebody mentioned Thane/Verbal as a potential lynch candidate near deadline (Darthe?).  I don't know how they've played this game, but I would think she would at least do SOMETHING towards them if they were a viable mislynch.  I could chalk it up to her friendship with Verbal, but then I would expect some sort of gameplay/interaction in thread to kind of justify it.  With the Csarmi read, she based that off a meta and actually made comments to him.  With Therbal Detonators (why that wasn't the hydra name, I have no idea), she just pulls a townread out of the air and forgets they were playing.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

The strongest thing Laine has going for her IMO is that she pretty much declared her intent to lynch Leelou long before it was a foregone conclusion that she would be the lynch.  The actual vote timing makes it possible to be a self-preservation vote on a teammate, and I put NO stock in Leelou's retaliation vote whatsoever.  But the fact that Laine actually seemed to be leaning that way with a few hours to go is a good sign.

 

I agree.  I similarly think you're being particularly cautious about this EoD.  

 

 

Go on....

 

Leelou did not remotely expect to be lynched today.  She got minor heat and then made a simple mistake and things worked out, almost by luck, in such a way that the group of us online at the time were able to successfully make a quick verifiable argument and run her up.

 

I think that provides a drove of information.  She likely wasn't able to do much with the time she had left other than self preserve and what she chose to do was claim Leia and then try to fight off the pile of votes.  

 

It seems to me that we can clear a number of people from her interaction with them.  Csarmi is probably clear, much as I hate to say it.  I'm clear for my incredibly active role in it and how I pushed it (disregarding many other factors that also clear me), Laine is very likely clear here, Wombocombo has done well (read 2081, wolves don't worry that their vote looks bad on them when they know the vote is on someone about to flip wolf), sili did alright in spite of not jumping on (his EoD is very very organic and townie, just happened to be wrong this time), Shad was great and has been in general, Zander was consistent on her but didn't drive it (I don't give much weight for that, it's easy to park a vote on a fellow wolf), Seph had good analysis at EoD and was really engaged, Notbob and AH popped up right after and clearly stayed out of EoD.  Notbob specifically posted "Interesting decision at 10:01" showing he was clearly current and just didn't involve himself.  However, AH parked an early leelou vote (very popular thing on oldschool DM) and apologized to Leelou at 10:02 which is so strange to do as either alignment, especially when Leelou basically spewed AH as her fellow wolf.

 

How'd Leelou spew AH?  

 

By the time AH was on and around it was too late to unvote.

Leelou had laine as a wolf if AH was one and yet Leelou voted Laine when i said to.  Since Leelou had me as wolfy this is what brought on the harbinger CFD.  

This means that Leelou picked an associative target over the person the association was made off of.  Why?  She knew Laine was a mislynch.  What does that say about AH?

It says that Leelou wanted to get mislynches off of AH's death.  If you look back you'll see that Leelou only had Laine as a wolf if AH was one when AH was suspect.  We can now be pretty sure that Laine is town which means that if Leelou knew AH was a wolf she was trying to get mislynches out of tying people to AH.

Thus AH is a wolf.  

[csarmi]

 

I'm not taking this any longer. Let me know when Darthe has been lynched or modkilled and I'll start playing again.

 

 

No offense, but Darthe is not singling you out and I feel like you have spent the vast majority of this game baiting him to fight with you.

I genuinely believe (or at leazt hope) its simply cause he is a wolf. That still wouldnt excuse his behaviour (if he doesn't want to play with someone, he don't have to, if he does, there iz rule 5 and just common decency. Asking someone to sub out is way over the line. Sorry. Will waste no more time on this).

 

@Clov: i shall check the thread tomorrow in regards to Leelou and all and post my thoughts. Just because you asked and you are a better everyone.

[Darthe]

Christ that last bit was not well explained.

 

In the context of the game near EoD, especially when coupled with Leelou's development (or lack thereof) on AH you can see that Leelou thought AH was a potential lynch and thought that she was not.  Leelou began quickly tying other players to AH and sussing and yet avoided actually pursuing AH.  That heavily increases the chances of AH as Leelou's teammate.

 

Better.

[csarmi]

#Thaneballs - we should ask Verbal about this as well. Not sure how a wolf Leelou treats a villager Verbal. Must be a big threat to her and apply a specific strategy.

[Darthe]

#Thaneballs - we should ask Verbal about this as well. Not sure how a wolf Leelou treats a villager Verbal. Must be a big threat to her and apply a specific strategy.

He'll probably give you a straight answer, sure.  

 

Let's go with that.

[Cory Caboose]

Take a breath, people.

[Clovdyx]

I thought you were making a reference to how I played EoD, Darthe.  My bad.

 

Leelou did not remotely expect to be lynched today.  She got minor heat and then made a simple mistake and things worked out, almost by luck, in such a way that the group of us online at the time were able to successfully make a quick verifiable argument and run her up.

 

I think that provides a drove of information.  She likely wasn't able to do much with the time she had left other than self preserve and what she chose to do was claim Leia and then try to fight off the pile of votes.  

 

It seems to me that we can clear a number of people from her interaction with them.  Csarmi is probably clear, much as I hate to say it.  I'm clear for my incredibly active role in it and how I pushed it (disregarding many other factors that also clear me), Laine is very likely clear here, Wombocombo has done well (read 2081, wolves don't worry that their vote looks bad on them when they know the vote is on someone about to flip wolf), sili did alright in spite of not jumping on (his EoD is very very organic and townie, just happened to be wrong this time), Shad was great and has been in general, Zander was consistent on her but didn't drive it (I don't give much weight for that, it's easy to park a vote on a fellow wolf), Seph had good analysis at EoD and was really engaged, Notbob and AH popped up right after and clearly stayed out of EoD.  Notbob specifically posted "Interesting decision at 10:01" showing he was clearly current and just didn't involve himself.  However, AH parked an early leelou vote (very popular thing on oldschool DM) and apologized to Leelou at 10:02 which is so strange to do as either alignment, especially when Leelou basically spewed AH as her fellow wolf.

 

How'd Leelou spew AH?  

 

By the time AH was on and around it was too late to unvote.

Leelou had laine as a wolf if AH was one and yet Leelou voted Laine when i said to.  Since Leelou had me as wolfy this is what brought on the harbinger CFD.  

This means that Leelou picked an associative target over the person the association was made off of.  Why?  She knew Laine was a mislynch.  What does that say about AH?

It says that Leelou wanted to get mislynches off of AH's death.  If you look back you'll see that Leelou only had Laine as a wolf if AH was one when AH was suspect.  We can now be pretty sure that Laine is town which means that if Leelou knew AH was a wolf she was trying to get mislynches out of tying people to AH.

Thus AH is a wolf.  

 

 

I disagree with this conclusion, and this is because I don't agree with your insinuation that Leelou had much of a choice in who she voted.  If EoD had been several hours earlier in the day, I would probably agree with your theory - her voting of Laine in that situation shows a preference for Laine's death over AH's.  However, go back and look at the vote count.  VC was 7-3 over Laine, but only after a buzzerbeater by Wombat and a couple quick changes (you and...seph?).  I would have to go back and retally for a completely accurate one, but I think Laine led 4-2 or 5-2 at one point; if Leelou had ANY interest in staying alive, staying on AH just wasn't going to cut it.

[csarmi]

Breathe the pressure

Come play my game I'll test ya.

Psychosomatic addict insane.

Breathe the pressure

Come play my game I'll test ya.

Psycho somatic addict insane.

Come

play

my

game.

Inhale inhale you're the victim.

Come

play

my

game.

Exhale exhale exhale.

[Darthe]

Here is a ton of EoD content

 

 

 

Soon I'm going to stop listening to all of you and bully someone up to four or more votes.

 

 

I see you building CFD cred Derf.  I like it.

This combo is just awesome

 

 

This was my explanation for voting Leelou.  AH was null imo until her last post.  Whether you want to read that one as incredibly scummy or just incredibly poorly worded is up to you.  I can appreciate both but I'm siding with the latter for now.

 

 

Yeah, that last post made me question my opposition to the AH train.  Leelou kind of hates inactives, so although I don't think her going after AH is productive, I'm not sure it is scummy.  I have Leelou as largely null atm but it's looking like I might have to vote a null read =\

 

 

 

Now she's willing to lynch either - strange, considering Heart is pretty content to see Leelou swing today - and is going to vote Leelou over Heart.  That's despite the fact she said she suggested she supports Leelou lynching AH in the post I quoted.  

 

 

[v]leelou[/v]

This really truly came out of nowhere, I think it was because Leelou was the only person low on her list that she had a chance at getting lynched over herself.  Basically confirms Alanna town on its own in it's context.  

 

I normally give summary posts--I remember Laine saying something about them being useful when I'm here

My mistake, AH was around near EoD.  Ya'll will enjoy reading this one.  

 

Btw speed catching up--we have 20 minutes right? 

Aware of when DL is.

 

 

I liked shad's case on leelou, but I am still uneasy on him tbh

 

Case? 

 

I think I'm lead train now. Go Laine or something, this is as right as we are gonna get

 

[unvote] [v]Laine[/v] Happy? 

 

The post that really caught my eye at first.

 

 

 

I liked shad's case on leelou, but I am still uneasy on him tbh

Case?

I think I'm lead train now. Go Laine or something, this is as right as we are gonna get

[unvote] [v]Laine[/v] Happy?

Thought I was on your wolf list

 

Tada

 

 

 

I liked shad's case on leelou, but I am still uneasy on him tbh

 

Case? 

 

I think I'm lead train now. Go Laine or something, this is as right as we are gonna get

 

[unvote] [v]Laine[/v] Happy? 

 

 

this is just bad leelou.

 

Zander gets mad props here

 

 

shad who were u voting?
clov and darthe on lee lou
me and you unvoted
rest should be the same

 

Leelou.  I'm currently not voting anyone.

 

Shad gets props too

 

ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL

[uNVOTE][V] LEELOU [/V]

#BOOM #REKT #DARTHERULES #GAMESOLVER #HASHTAG

I went for it

 

 

 

shad who were u voting?
clov and darthe on lee lou
me and you unvoted
rest should be the same

 

Leelou.  I'm currently not voting anyone.

 

 

 

 

 

I liked shad's case on leelou, but I am still uneasy on him tbh

 

Case? 

 

I think I'm lead train now. Go Laine or something, this is as right as we are gonna get

 

[unvote] [v]Laine[/v] Happy? 

 

 

And now I'm [v]Leelou[/v] again.  That came out of nowhere.

 

So did Shad, seemingly independent of my vote.  I think this truly clears him.

 

 

 

[Clovdyx]

In regards to your spew paragraph, I think Wombat is a good enough player to fabricate a "Man, am I about to feel stupid post" about a teammate.  I'm not saying that necessarily IS the case, but I'm saying it's possible - even though I tend to side with the premise regarding it.  Similarly, I'm not sure mafia comes into the thread and apologizes to a teammate before the flip.  Mafia!Heart would have known that Leelou was flipping red, so why do anything but ride the spew waves to townieland?  

 

If she genuinely felt bad about lynching a friend, the apology - itself - makes sense, but she could have EASILY done that via PM or QT.  If Heart did that as mafia, kudos to her on a "so awful it's brilliant" play.

[Clovdyx]

Take a breath, people.

 

Don't tell me how to play this game :|

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

In regards to your spew paragraph, I think Wombat is a good enough player to fabricate a "Man, am I about to feel stupid post" about a teammate.  I'm not saying that necessarily IS the case, but I'm saying it's possible - even though I tend to side with the premise regarding it.  Similarly, I'm not sure mafia comes into the thread and apologizes to a teammate before the flip.  Mafia!Heart would have known that Leelou was flipping red, so why do anything but ride the spew waves to townieland?  

 

If she genuinely felt bad about lynching a friend, the apology - itself - makes sense, but she could have EASILY done that via PM or QT.  If Heart did that as mafia, kudos to her on a "so awful it's brilliant" play.

 

We've seen that before.  

[Clovdyx]

I don't see Laine voting the only viable candidate definitively means anything besides she didn't want to get lynched.  If she's town, that's great.  But if she's mafia, she'd want to do the same thing?  

 

The fact she was in a position to understandably vote Leelou for anything BESIDES self-preservation (i.e., she actually had worked towards establishing a read earlier) is far more alignment indicative IMO.

[Darthe]

part 2 (goes the rest of the way to EoD at 10:00)

 

 

 

 

 

ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL

[uNVOTE][V] LEELOU [/V]

 

You've got to be kidding me? You couldn't have done this earlier when there was time? 

 

Whatever, I'm Leia, VT. Seriously bad towning going on here. 

 

Outrage

 

Leia vt obvious safe claim

YOU DIE NOW
I am the harbinger of your destruction

Immediately shut down

 

 

FOLLOW ME OR DIE I AM A VIG I WILL SHOOT YOU

 

Hero post imo.

 

Zander still great

 

 

Leia vt obvious safe claim

YOU DIE NOW
I am the harbinger of your destruction

 

SHUT UP!  You are being an annoying prat. 

 

I pissed her off 

 

 

Also, don't like Heart's vote staying on me like it is.

I don't like how you normally push me early when you are scum. 
 

 

 

I normally give summary posts--I remember Laine saying something about them being useful when I'm here

normally useful but I haven't like them this game. At all

Vote count???

 

 
This is a blatant contradiction of what you said before.  Except when you said it, there hadn't been any.

 

I normally give them and they are normally good and she has said before that she likes them. Stop trying to link us.
 
Also Alanna they'll be better from here on out--I've been rushed.
 
 
Speaking of rush, do we have any idea what the count is?

 

Still here, still playing around and taking her time

 

Leia is a better shot than a stormtrooper (which is saying a lot? jk) and is pretty resourceful *shrug*

What even is this?  I don't understand it so i am going to assume it's bad.

 

Going to go diving for the last VC

Okay, with 8 minutes to go after you just trawled through  a supposed catch up in which you quoted posts only posted since you said you were gonna catch up.  It's basically confirmed that AH was just stalking the thread not rereading or anything at this point.  

 

 

 

VOTE COUNT! VOTE COUNT!

 

Seph(1): NotBob

Durin(2): Dice, Csarmi

Leelou(3): Aiel Heart, Shad, Zander

Aiel Heart(2): Eldrick, Durin

Sooh(1): Talya

NotBob(2): Clov, Seph

WomboCombo(1): Leelou

Zander(1): Sili

Laine(2): WomboCombo

 

 

Not Voting: Laine, Thaneballs32, Yates, Sooh

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline is TODAY, June 19th at 7:00pm PST - Countdown Timer

 

 

Stepping out for a bit, if I am not back right at deadline I should be back shortly thereafter.

 

last vc by hallia

 

VC given by Seph one minute later, 7 minutes to go.  

 

Actually, I thought Heart was voting dice. 

Huh.  

 

Look at the wording of that post again--if memory serves it's not referring to a specific one in this game and the wording reflects that

Quoted because AH was current and talking to people when she was reviewing.  Schrodingers Heart?

 

No I never unvoted--my mistake but I'll roll with it now--as I said, the dice lynch wasn't going anywhere. Did you actually read that post?

Fascinating.  She doesn't really vote Leelou, she just says "to hell with it you're gonna get lynched maybe so I'm leaving it here."  She literally says that in this post.  

 

im way behind and am not blind voting

 

whats the what?

Prob not trying to avoid the lynch here but idk.

 

Yes, Heart, I did read your long summary. 

 

"Leelou has felt better to me, but also has been defending dice a lot"

... Lot of AH Leelou interplay here.  Why would she focus on AH over so many of us?

 

leelou is on laine. tied 4vs4 i think

Seph is a hero

 

[v] leelou[/v]

A HERO, she literally would not have gotten lynched if not for this

 

[unvote]

[v]Leelou[/v]

I didn't comment on the prior Wombat post but ftr he did not look good this EoD.  He admittedly only put himself on wagon to be on wagon ( can't avoid harbinger lol) under the guise of doing it because he supports the harbinger meme but really he waited almost ten minutes until Leelou was already clearly going to die (with that seph vote) and slid his vote in at the end.  That's nothing conclusive but it's worth being wary of.  

 

 

I'm already waffling on this slot again...

 

I have to remind myself I voted Leelou for hopping on the Laine wagon without explanation, not because Darthe said to.  I'll stay put.

 

Shad still great here

 

 

 

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

VOTE COUNT! END OF DAY 1!

 

Seph(1): NotBob

Durin(2): Dice, Csarmi

Leelou(7): Aiel Heart, Zander, Laine, Durin, Shad, Seph, Wombat

Aiel Heart(1): Eldrick

Sooh(1): Talya

Laine(3): Clovdyx, Leelou, Sili

 

Not Voting: Thaneballs32, Yates, Sooh

 

Leelou has been lynched! She was The Emperor, Mafia Godfather.

 

Hallia will do the write-up when she's back on.

 

It is now NIGHT 1!

 

 

I'd look at the non-voters or those on Laine's train.  Clov and Sili trying to get the enough steam to make it anyone but Leelou.  Thaneballs and Yates ISOs show two dogs that don't hunt so would look there as well.  The rest of the players are in my town pile with varying degrees of confidence. 

[Darthe]

Leelou was tied with Laine at 4-4 until 9:58 ftr.  Seph coming off switched it to 5-3 and Laine put Leelou as equal to herself minutes before.  Votes went:

 

Leelou:3

Laine:4

 

Leelou 4

Laine 4

 

9:58

 

Leelou 5

Laine 3

 

10:00

 

Leelou 7

Laine 2

[Clovdyx]

 

 

VOTE COUNT! END OF DAY 1!

 

Seph(1): NotBob

Durin(2): Dice, Csarmi

Leelou(7): Aiel Heart, Zander, Laine, Durin, Shad, Seph, Wombat

Aiel Heart(1): Eldrick

Sooh(1): Talya

Laine(3): Clovdyx, Leelou, Sili

 

Not Voting: Thaneballs32, Yates, Sooh

 

Leelou has been lynched! She was The Emperor, Mafia Godfather.

 

Hallia will do the write-up when she's back on.

 

It is now NIGHT 1!

 

 

I'd look at the non-voters or those on Laine's train.  Clov and Sili trying to get the enough steam to make it anyone but Leelou.  Thaneballs and Yates ISOs show two dogs that don't hunt so would look there as well.  The rest of the players are in my town pile with varying degrees of confidence. 

 

 

You know how I know you're mafia?

[Darthe]

In regards to your spew paragraph, I think Wombat is a good enough player to fabricate a "Man, am I about to feel stupid post" about a teammate.  I'm not saying that necessarily IS the case, but I'm saying it's possible - even though I tend to side with the premise regarding it.  Similarly, I'm not sure mafia comes into the thread and apologizes to a teammate before the flip.  Mafia!Heart would have known that Leelou was flipping red, so why do anything but ride the spew waves to townieland?  

 

If she genuinely felt bad about lynching a friend, the apology - itself - makes sense, but she could have EASILY done that via PM or QT.  If Heart did that as mafia, kudos to her on a "so awful it's brilliant" play.

I have one of you/Heart/Wombat as a wolf.  Deciding which probably won't be as hard as I'm making it seem but I am exploring everything.

 

Seph, Zander, Eldrick, Me, Laine, Shad, Dice, Csarmi, and Talya should probably never ever ever be lynched in this game as things stand.  

[Clovdyx]

Darthe, off the top of your head, do you remember what Laine's defense to my claim about the contradiction was?  Regarding her liking Heart's non-existent summary posts?