[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia

[csarmi]

OK, here is a worst cse scenario for you Zander.

 

We lynch Sili. Sili and Yates both die cause they are lovers (faking masons makes sense right). That's two down.

You and Dice die tonight (SK).

 

We start with 7. Lynch AH cause why didn't you live. She flips doc...

[Zander?]

Zander.

 

If you're right, and Sili/Yates are scum, you can check them tonight, and we will win in 2-3 days. (If there's an SK, and they live that long)

 

If they are telling the truth, you check one and get a town view, which clears the other one and they both still live.

 

If it's neither of the above, then we have to figure out where to go from there.

 

 

AGAIN

 

would rather be wrong and lynch 1 Mason and then clear another towny then the poss Town Doc

 

Heart is TAKEN CARE OF during Night no matter what.

 

I may not be around to view anyone else!!!

 

And if i am alive 3 players have been solved then we SK hunt if there is even one.

[Eldrick4221]

 

Zander.

 

If you're right, and Sili/Yates are scum, you can check them tonight, and we will win in 2-3 days. (If there's an SK, and they live that long)

 

If they are telling the truth, you check one and get a town view, which clears the other one and they both still live.

 

If it's neither of the above, then we have to figure out where to go from there.

 

 

AGAIN

 

would rather be wrong and lynch 1 Mason and then clear another towny then the poss Town Doc

 

Heart is TAKEN CARE OF during Night no matter what.

 

I may not be around to view anyone else!!!

 

And if i am alive 3 players have been solved then we SK hunt if there is even one.

 

Wrong.

 

If everyone has been telling the truth, and we lynch a mason. That leaves both you and the other mason as viable targets, and Heart will have to choose. I'd rather her choice be obvious (you), and you view one of them.

[Zander?]

OK, here is a worst cse scenario for you Zander.

 

We lynch Sili. Sili and Yates both die cause they are lovers (faking masons makes sense right). That's two down.

You and Dice die tonight (SK).

 

We start with 7. Lynch AH cause why didn't you live. She flips doc...

 

 

Lovers AND Hated not likely imo

[Zander?]

 

 

Zander.

 

If you're right, and Sili/Yates are scum, you can check them tonight, and we will win in 2-3 days. (If there's an SK, and they live that long)

 

If they are telling the truth, you check one and get a town view, which clears the other one and they both still live.

 

If it's neither of the above, then we have to figure out where to go from there.

 

 

AGAIN

 

would rather be wrong and lynch 1 Mason and then clear another towny then the poss Town Doc

 

Heart is TAKEN CARE OF during Night no matter what.

 

I may not be around to view anyone else!!!

 

And if i am alive 3 players have been solved then we SK hunt if there is even one.

 

Wrong.

 

If everyone has been telling the truth, and we lynch a mason. That leaves both you and the other mason as viable targets, and Heart will have to choose. I'd rather her choice be obvious (you), and you view one of them.

 

 

1st Bold- Big KEYWORD there

 

and ok if thats the case- we do lose a mason-  but we already have Dice seph as confirmed town and the chance to add to it.  MAFIA already knows who is town.

 

MORE CLEARED TOWN-LESS UNKNOWN PLAYERS= EASIER GAME SOLVE

[Eldrick4221]

Actually. Lovers does make a bit of sense. i don't know how it goes for balance, as I don't know who else is out there, but it fits what has been said.

 

Lovers want to live, more so than other roles. Sili said his wincon was to be NK'd. As I mentioned before, saying so makes those with a NK not want to kill you.

 

Lovers have to find each other. It has been established that Sili and Yates did this.

 

Being there is a CHANCE they are lovers, I am against lynching either of them.

[Talya]

[uNVOTE]

 

 

*Sigh*

 

You know what? There's only one mafia left anyway. I probably wouldn't be able to last longer anyway, and you guys would hold that against me. May as well die putting all my cards on the table. 

 

I can't target the same person two nights in a row. I should have not jumped to save her right away, should have known that that'd be the obvious choice. Wasn't thinking straight I guess. I saved her night 2, and then I couldn't save her night 3.

 

Now, I'm going to die in the next two phases no matter what. It's just whether you kill me or if they kill me tonight, because I won't be able to protect myself. 

 

I'd rather we catch the last mafia today if it's all the same to you guys. And if we're wrong... at least I get killed by scum and not my own team. Btw about 5 posts came in while I was making that decision. 

 

You've said it twice now...how do you know there is only 1 left?

 

Does a mass claim make sense at this point?  How many conf Town do we need to just outright win?

 

I'm more than happy to do this

 

And how are we supposed to confirm Heart? Like - does Qui Gon Jin even make sense as a Doc? Yoda I could buy...

 

No Yoda isn't Doc

 

 

AJ - check my math.... I should have been asleep 3 hours ago.


11 alive.
9 Town
1 Scum
1 SK

So let's say we lynch one of me or Sili.
8 Town
1 Scum
1 SK

Conf Town now would be the living mason, Seph, Dice
NK's are always Seph and Dice/Living mason

Day 5 looks like this:
6 Town
1 Scum
1 SK

With 5 needed for lynch - Doc claim is still open question. Lynch pool is in Zander/Talya/Eldrick/Wombo...NB?

If you don't hit scum or SK - the other mason is killed and whomever looks Towniest not named Csarmi.

Day 6 looks like this:
3 Town
1 Scum
1 SK

This is ugly. And this is assuming only 1 scum and an SK. If there are two scum I think scum still pull off this win with only two mislynches unless they cross fire with the SK.

 

I really doubt there are more than 4 wolves with the types of PRs they have been flipping.

 

This is sort of doom-and-gloom ftr because if Heart is legit she could potentially stuff a kill, but that's still 1/3 odds if the beginning of your scenario happens today. There was also only one death N3 so unless NB is lying - scum and SK both shot Laine, or wolves/SK shot Heart and got blocked (though I don't see why this would be the case in any situation) and the other killed Laine.

 

Frankly - I think we should just take the risk and lynch Heart. Wombat's post is pretty sound regarding the N1 self protect when she wasn't in any real danger and like I mentioned earlier she essentially HAS to provide some sort of explanation for not covering Laine after she was outed as the cop. It's all a little too neat imo.

 

 

someone (the SK/Vig) could have tried to kill Heart N3, would explain why only 1 kill

 

 

 

 

that narrows it to eldrick talya NB and you for me

 

 

tinfoil hat says wombocombo  but thats pure tinfoil

 

 

So you dont believe my breadcrumb trail then?

 

?

 

 

May as well-  The Doc is either outed or Dead and I know Mafia didnt miss my breadcrumbs.

 

HARD CLAIM: LANDO CALRISSIAN- WAS VT BECAME BACKUP COP

 

 

Seriously! You have a Jedi as Cop and a Jedi as Doc, and they give the back up to a nobody...So did you know you were backup cop? Usually it's a role at the beginning?

 

Oh and I'm Yoda - Town Stump, you can kill me but you will never get rid of me, even though I won't be able to vote

[seph]

Sorry I agree with zander.

 

We kill sili. It outs yates.

Heart protects zander.

 

Mafia have to kill heart if she is doc here.

They can kill me or dice but they will lose.

 

we get a view which doesn't have to be sili/yates.

 

So this might work, zander views someone who me him and Dice can decide on.

 

I believe zander 100% here. If he doesn't die it confirms ah either way.

They have to choice in the matter.

So we confirm silli/yates who I think are the best guess at mafia by lynching sili, which shows us yates alignment. Confirms ah if zander is still alive, and we confirm another player through a peek.

 

I still can see me or dice dying...

however if they leave ah and zander alive, it means they didn't want to out ah, but we're afraid to kill zander because she is doc.

 

The next night they will kill zander, so ah doesn't need to self protect.

 

After zander does ah will self protect or protect me or dice if living.

 

This way does in fact wield the best results.

I have never seen a mason team look so bad. Sili scum reads his mason.

ALSO iso yates if he died before claiming mason SHOW me who his mason partner would be through his posts. He mentions sili once or twice though out his iso..... you can't tell me you think that you would guess sili.

 

This was a gambit in the moment which didn't turn out.

[v]sili [/v]

[Zander?]

OK, here is a worst cse scenario for you Zander.

 

We lynch Sili. Sili and Yates both die cause they are lovers (faking masons makes sense right). That's two down.

You and Dice die tonight (SK).

 

We start with 7. Lynch AH cause why didn't you live. She flips doc...

 

we still dont know for sure if there is a SK,  not saying there's not but lynching Sili confirms two players either way (and wolf is gg).  And if AH is the Doc she protects me.  Proves she doc and I'll get another shot to clear or condemn someone.

[seph]

OK, here is a worst cse scenario for you Zander.

 

We lynch Sili. Sili and Yates both die cause they are lovers (faking masons makes sense right). That's two down.

You and Dice die tonight (SK).

 

We start with 7. Lynch AH cause why didn't you live. She flips doc...

THIS would never happen because ah protects zander.

This scenario will never ever happen

[Talya]

so who else is willing to claim?

 

not lynching

 

Seph

Dice

Yates

Sili

Heart

Zander - if he comes back with the right answer

CS

 

Up for grabs:

 

Wombycombo

Eld

NotBob

 

The bottom three in that order. I could also go for a no lynch today.

[csarmi]

 

OK, here is a worst cse scenario for you Zander.

 

We lynch Sili. Sili and Yates both die cause they are lovers (faking masons makes sense right). That's two down.

You and Dice die tonight (SK).

 

We start with 7. Lynch AH cause why didn't you live. She flips doc...

THIS would never happen because ah protects zander.

This scenario will never ever happen

 

 

unless mafia has a 1-shot strongman kill left ofc

[Zander?]

[uNVOTE]

 

 

*Sigh*

 

You know what? There's only one mafia left anyway. I probably wouldn't be able to last longer anyway, and you guys would hold that against me. May as well die putting all my cards on the table. 

 

I can't target the same person two nights in a row. I should have not jumped to save her right away, should have known that that'd be the obvious choice. Wasn't thinking straight I guess. I saved her night 2, and then I couldn't save her night 3.

 

Now, I'm going to die in the next two phases no matter what. It's just whether you kill me or if they kill me tonight, because I won't be able to protect myself. 

 

I'd rather we catch the last mafia today if it's all the same to you guys. And if we're wrong... at least I get killed by scum and not my own team. Btw about 5 posts came in while I was making that decision. 

 

You've said it twice now...how do you know there is only 1 left?

 

Does a mass claim make sense at this point?  How many conf Town do we need to just outright win?

 

I'm more than happy to do this

 

And how are we supposed to confirm Heart? Like - does Qui Gon Jin even make sense as a Doc? Yoda I could buy...

 

No Yoda isn't Doc

 

 

AJ - check my math.... I should have been asleep 3 hours ago.

 

 

11 alive.

9 Town

1 Scum

1 SK

 

So let's say we lynch one of me or Sili.

8 Town

1 Scum

1 SK

 

Conf Town now would be the living mason, Seph, Dice

NK's are always Seph and Dice/Living mason

 

Day 5 looks like this:

6 Town

1 Scum

1 SK

 

With 5 needed for lynch - Doc claim is still open question. Lynch pool is in Zander/Talya/Eldrick/Wombo...NB?

 

If you don't hit scum or SK - the other mason is killed and whomever looks Towniest not named Csarmi.

 

Day 6 looks like this:

3 Town

1 Scum

1 SK

 

This is ugly. And this is assuming only 1 scum and an SK. If there are two scum I think scum still pull off this win with only two mislynches unless they cross fire with the SK.

 

I really doubt there are more than 4 wolves with the types of PRs they have been flipping.

 

This is sort of doom-and-gloom ftr because if Heart is legit she could potentially stuff a kill, but that's still 1/3 odds if the beginning of your scenario happens today. There was also only one death N3 so unless NB is lying - scum and SK both shot Laine, or wolves/SK shot Heart and got blocked (though I don't see why this would be the case in any situation) and the other killed Laine.

 

Frankly - I think we should just take the risk and lynch Heart. Wombat's post is pretty sound regarding the N1 self protect when she wasn't in any real danger and like I mentioned earlier she essentially HAS to provide some sort of explanation for not covering Laine after she was outed as the cop. It's all a little too neat imo.

 

 

someone (the SK/Vig) could have tried to kill Heart N3, would explain why only 1 kill

 

 

 

 

that narrows it to eldrick talya NB and you for me

 

 

tinfoil hat says wombocombo  but thats pure tinfoil

 

 

So you dont believe my breadcrumb trail then?

 

?

 

 

May as well-  The Doc is either outed or Dead and I know Mafia didnt miss my breadcrumbs.

 

HARD CLAIM: LANDO CALRISSIAN- WAS VT BECAME BACKUP COP

 

 

Seriously! You have a Jedi as Cop and a Jedi as Doc, and they give the back up to a nobody...So did you know you were backup cop? Usually it's a role at the beginning?

 

Oh and I'm Yoda - Town Stump, you can kill me but you will never get rid of me, even though I won't be able to vote

 

No i didn't i got if AFTER Alanna was killed.

[Zander?]

Sorry I agree with zander.

 

We kill sili. It outs yates.

Heart protects zander.

 

Mafia have to kill heart if she is doc here.

They can kill me or dice but they will lose.

 

we get a view which doesn't have to be sili/yates.

 

So this might work, zander views someone who me him and Dice can decide on.

 

I believe zander 100% here. If he doesn't die it confirms ah either way.

They have to choice in the matter.

So we confirm silli/yates who I think are the best guess at mafia by lynching sili, which shows us yates alignment. Confirms ah if zander is still alive, and we confirm another player through a peek.

 

I still can see me or dice dying...

however if they leave ah and zander alive, it means they didn't want to out ah, but we're afraid to kill zander because she is doc.

 

The next night they will kill zander, so ah doesn't need to self protect.

 

After zander does ah will self protect or protect me or dice if living.

 

This way does in fact wield the best results.

I have never seen a mason team look so bad. Sili scum reads his mason.

ALSO iso yates if he died before claiming mason SHOW me who his mason partner would be through his posts. He mentions sili once or twice though out his iso..... you can't tell me you think that you would guess sili.

 

This was a gambit in the moment which didn't turn out.

[v]sili [/v]

 

 

THANK YOU!!!!!

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

If everyone has been telling the truth, and we lynch a mason. That leaves both you and the other mason as viable targets, and Heart will have to choose. I'd rather her choice be obvious (you), and you view one of them.

 

 

1st Bold- Big KEYWORD there

 

and ok if thats the case- we do lose a mason-  but we already have Dice seph as confirmed town and the chance to add to it.  MAFIA already knows who is town.

 

MORE CLEARED TOWN-LESS UNKNOWN PLAYERS= EASIER GAME SOLVE

 

Oh I know. Everyone is a big keyword.

 

Pieces that go into that. Your claim. Heart's claim. Mason claim.

 

Scenario 1. You are lying, and are scum riding this scene flavor on a fake claim

You clearly see them as scum. If you still do tomorrow, I will believe you 100%. If you're lying, and you still call them scum, the flip will out you. If you're lying, and do a 180, then they are probably town, and you just added to the cleared town pile.

 

Scenario 2. Heart is lying, and is the last scum.

She will survive the night. By claiming that she can't protect herself tonight, mafia will shoot her. If she doesn't die, she is obvscum, and will be lynched.

 

Scenario 3. Sili and Yates are lying, and are scum

You will view them, and we will know tomorrow.

[dicetosser1]

@Zander - I been giving this some thought and I suppose the idea is this: 

 

1) the wolves might not be able to kill you because

a) if AH's claim is true, she can protect you and they can't stop that 

b) if AH's claim is fake, they out her by killing you

2) the wolves can't kill AH, Yates or Sili witout solving the game for us

 

---

 

this all depends on the wolves not having a strongarm kill or redirection role or anything that messes with cop views

and probably not so good if there is an SK out there

 

I like this  but i still think no lynch today. might save us a townie  makes it harder for mafia

 

 

If zanders gonna view dont put it in the thread til a MINUTE before the night DL

[Eldrick4221]

 

OK, here is a worst cse scenario for you Zander.

 

We lynch Sili. Sili and Yates both die cause they are lovers (faking masons makes sense right). That's two down.

You and Dice die tonight (SK).

 

We start with 7. Lynch AH cause why didn't you live. She flips doc...

 

we still dont know for sure if there is a SK,  not saying there's not but lynching Sili confirms two players either way (and wolf is gg).  And if AH is the Doc she protects me.  Proves she doc and I'll get another shot to clear or condemn someone.

 

You're right. We don't. What we do know is there was a second kill N2, and that the claimed vig is not claiming it. What does that tell you?

[seph]

Ok please guys look at Yates and sili, show me where you believe they are mason

 

Facts

1.sili claims N1 he became a mason

2. Sili claims he must die during the night on day to to win.

3. Calls his mason partner scum.

 

Yates

1. Twists alanna views to try and benefit himself

2. SHOW ME where mason yates left breadcrumbs for a mason partner day 2.... he mentions sili twice throughout his whole iso...... his iso is like 5 pages so AT LEAST read this if you are town.

3. Yates has been weirdly buddying me since I flipped pheonix on n3.

 

I am not going to lose this because because LOL DIDN'T READ.

 

If someone would like to prove to me there masons I will change my mind.

Everyone is clearing them because lol mason... when the hell do masons act like they have towards each other. Yates ignored him until today, and sili scum read him until today..... suprise they claimed today.

[Eldrick4221]

If everyone claims, and noone else claims a killing role, then notbob is lying.

[Talya]

@ Zander...so you had no idea you would get it after she was dead...so what was your role before hand. Why did you get it?

[seph]

 

Sorry I agree with zander.

We kill sili. It outs yates.

Heart protects zander.

Mafia have to kill heart if she is doc here.

They can kill me or dice but they will lose.

we get a view which doesn't have to be sili/yates.

So this might work, zander views someone who me him and Dice can decide on.

I believe zander 100% here. If he doesn't die it confirms ah either way.

They have to choice in the matter.

So we confirm silli/yates who I think are the best guess at mafia by lynching sili, which shows us yates alignment. Confirms ah if zander is still alive, and we confirm another player through a peek.

I still can see me or dice dying...

however if they leave ah and zander alive, it means they didn't want to out ah, but we're afraid to kill zander because she is doc.

The next night they will kill zander, so ah doesn't need to self protect.

After zander does ah will self protect or protect me or dice if living.

This way does in fact wield the best results.

I have never seen a mason team look so bad. Sili scum reads his mason.

ALSO iso yates if he died before claiming mason SHOW me who his mason partner would be through his posts. He mentions sili once or twice though out his iso..... you can't tell me you think that you would guess sili.

This was a gambit in the moment which didn't turn out.

[v]sili [/v]

 

 

 

THANK YOU!!!!!

This scenario is the best and I will quote it until

1. You listen

2. You prove me wrong and show me some actual .as on play. I can firmly say TOWN yates would not play a mason like this, before today you would not guess sili as a mason

[Eldrick4221]

In case you haven't noticed, i'm not buying the mason claim. I just don't see them as scum either. I actually do believe they are lovers.

[dicetosser1]

If everyone claims, and noone else claims a killing role, then notbob is lying.

 

wrong

 

someone else could be lying

[csarmi]

Eldrick that argument has some flows. Like mafia obviously killing a doc just because they think the doc cant self prot. BTW AH could easily be doc here AND lying about not bein able to protect the same target twice.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

If everyone has been telling the truth, and we lynch a mason. That leaves both you and the other mason as viable targets, and Heart will have to choose. I'd rather her choice be obvious (you), and you view one of them.

 

 

1st Bold- Big KEYWORD there

 

and ok if thats the case- we do lose a mason-  but we already have Dice seph as confirmed town and the chance to add to it.  MAFIA already knows who is town.

 

MORE CLEARED TOWN-LESS UNKNOWN PLAYERS= EASIER GAME SOLVE

 

Oh I know. Everyone is a big keyword.

 

Pieces that go into that. Your claim. Heart's claim. Mason claim.

 

Scenario 1. You are lying, and are scum riding this scene flavor on a fake claim

You clearly see them as scum. If you still do tomorrow, I will believe you 100%. If you're lying, and you still call them scum, the flip will out you. If you're lying, and do a 180, then they are probably town, and you just added to the cleared town pile.

 

Scenario 2. Heart is lying, and is the last scum.

She will survive the night. By claiming that she can't protect herself tonight, mafia will shoot her. If she doesn't die, she is obvscum, and will be lynched.

 

Scenario 3. Sili and Yates are lying, and are scum

You will view them, and we will know tomorrow.

 

 

Scenario 2 is taking care of by Night phase!!!!

 

If i dont make it I cant Clear anyone else!!!

 

Silis vote is GG or worse case clears yates in the event i DIE!!!!