Alien mafia [BASIC] - Game Over - Town won

[Leelou]

Exhilaration from ridding the craft of that vile creature was starting to fade. You knew there were still others among you. Plucking up your courage, you head to the mess hall to grab some breakfast before taking on the day. As you enter the room, you slip on something slick on the floor and crash into the table. You look down and see a pool of red. As your brain processes that you just slid in blood, a look of horror crosses your face. Looking around the room, you see Verbal slumped over. His ribs have been broken outward leaving a gaping hole in his chest.

 

Verbal, Kane - vanilla town, is dead.

 

It is now day, with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

 

Deadline - 11 AM Sunday

[Verbal32]

Ouch?

 

gl village

[Shad_]

Shame Verbal didn't give some final thoughts on Talya first.

 

It's easy to imagine a scenario where Talya and Dae are both wolves and this sets up the wrong people for strong clears, but that sounds like such a Hollywood plot that it has to be tinfoil.  And if Talya is town, it's hard for me to believe that any wolves voted Dae.  Talya could have easily been lynched yesterday.

 

Quick read, planning to do a more thorough assessment later:

 

Sili and Alannalynn were already pretty clear imo and their votes strengthen this further.

With NotBob's popcorn approach he could have easily voted Talya without taking too much heat for it.  If Talya's town, NotBob is pretty clear.

Talya is town or else her mafia game is pretty impressive.

Darthe is.... Sili, why is Darthe town?  Someone who knows him is going to have to convince me, because his actions are still screaming wolf--even flips to Talya when it looks like the scales are tipping against Dae, plus tries to diffuse the whole thing by saying both are bad targets.  From the perspective of an inexperienced player, he isn't even just wolf, he's really bad at it.  So I'm missing something and I want it cleared up before the next night phase.

Hallia had a possibly revealing exchange with Dae early on that leans her slightly town for me, but people who know them better might see it the exact opposite way.  I'll dig it up in a bit.

Sooh and Aiel <3 are the only two people that Dae never criticized in this thread.  Sooh avoids voting Dae while keeping distance from the scum train on Talya.

Aiel <3 defends Dae in odd ways.  For instance in reference to Dae's really scummy assessments in #206 "I like what it says. Seems very… Calculated."

 

 

Darthe is all over the place...as usual, he was in the other game and he was town, although before the end of Day 1 (or night 1) he did step up to the mark there. Yet to see that here, so would like to see more of his reasoning.

 

AH

• I have a hard time reading her posts, they all jumble together and it's a hard read for me. To start with she found Alanna over bearing, she was Happy with Sooh, Shad's posts stick out but it was Alanna who pinged her.
• Eld was flipping all over the place
• Says what is happening in her posts, but doesn't put what she thinks of it, after putting the event down. I get the feeling she copies and pastes her notes and not much else.
• She said that Dae was looking to go on the Eld post before he did, so his was a good vote. I'm sure I got the impression that he thought Eld was town and he then suddenly voted him.
• She voted me. I suppose the result of Dae may make her look wolfie or not so wolfie.

I'm not liking the way she doesn't put too much thought into the posts and just copies her notes, I would rather see the interpretation of those notes than a wall of notes, which makes my eyes go funny.

 

I don't always trust Talya's interpretation of events, not in a scummy way so much as we just don't read the same things into the same statements.  If Aiel <3 said red, that's pretty bad for her, but I didn't find a Dae defense this blatant on a quick scan through the thread.  Might have missed the post or might be a matter of interpretation.  Talya, give me some elaboration/a quote on this one.

[Shad_]

Dae posts:

 

 

 

page 3:

Hate to break up the domestic, but checking in...

Two votes on one already? I know Verbs is shifty as hell, but that was quick. Any other options?

 

page 5:

Eldrick's vote did seem bandwagon-ey, but he did retract it pretty much immediately. I'd normally take that as misplay, and i'm certainly not going to hold taking Darthe's play seriously against him as it is only due to other games that i know it was probably a joke. 

 

Votes notwithstanding, Eldrick's accusers are Alanna, Darthe, Sili and Hallia. Possibly NotBob as well. Five people gunning for one target on Day 1? I'd say you could guarantee one mafia in that list, if not two.

 

The only other lead is supposedly Verb's activity (too active and then not active). Still not overly interested in that argument as i don't think it would be that indicative. On an activity note, i have services all day tomorrow so might get a chance to check in by mobile between rehearsals, but probably not around til Monday. 

 

page 11:

Right, checking back in. Initial thoughts on read through as follows:

 

Talya and Alanna have got some good evidence (for Day 1) on Eldrick. My gut is still saying he just made a mistake, but my gut seems to be out of practice in other games and there is nothing to say it's improved here! I think i may just be rationalising his action based on my own mistake in American Gods, which would be logical but unhelpful. In which case I should really follow the evidence, which has certainly been convincing enough for me to lean towards Eldrick as Mafia. I'll hold off on my vote for a couple of hours to internalise what i've read, as i'm still not 100% behind it.

 

Sili's conduct concerns me. The presumably jokey "i'm not lynching these guys" could be simply a joke, or it could be trying to bail out teammates - in this case Darthe who has come under suspicion. Darthe, i have little read on as there are minimal substantive posts, so I don't want to definitely put these pair together, but it just doesn't gel for me. The way he held off on the Eldrick train until later could be he was seeing which way the wind blew, picking his target and giving the bandwagon more steam as a Mafia ... or it could be he simply waited for the evidence. I'd say i'm leaning Mafia here but only slightly. Definitely keeping my eye on him though.

 

The other person I think deserves scrutiny is Shad. He's strongly pushing a defence for Eldrick, which if he flips Mafia would put him top of my list for lynching. He starts the Darthe lynch presumably to try and take some of the heat off Eldrick, who then jumps on the lynch with him. This could just be a desperate player looking for an out, or a genuine attempt to start a rival bandwagon. The way he is clashing, particularly with Darthe, doesn't seem right. Even if Eldrick doesn't flip Mafia, i don't think he's in the clear. A Mafia could offer a strong defence to a townie day 1, knowing his teammates would get the bandwagon over the line and then claim credit later to deflect suspicion. This may be a bit too advanced for a newer player, but we'll see i suppose.

 

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Note: I am quote snipping to the pertinent bits:

 

Votes notwithstanding, Eldrick's accusers are Alanna, Darthe, Sili and Hallia. Possibly NotBob as well. Five people gunning for one target on Day 1? I'd say you could guarantee one mafia in that list, if not two.

Hallia wasn't gunning for me. She had an issue with me bringing up N0 peeks. I agree with the rest of that list, and your observation that there is probably at least 1 wolf in it.

 

Daetirion - how confident are you in Eldrick being Town? Your observation quoted above only makes sense in a world where Eldrick is mod confirmed Town and I don't understand how that line of reasoning would occur to you/have any merit to make it post worthy in a world where that is not the case.

 

 

Sorry, only spotted this on reread. That call was based on my gut read of it as Eldrick just making a mistake, which initially i was moderately confident in trusting. Per above, my position has altered somewhat on Eldrick (and my gut in general). Should he flip Mafia, the point is moot, but should he flip town I still think there is a good chance some Mafia have jumped on it. It all depends i suppose on how lurky the Mafia team are playing. 

 

 

page 12:

 

 

Sili's conduct concerns me. The presumably jokey "i'm not lynching these guys" could be simply a joke, or it could be trying to bail out teammates - in this case Darthe who has come under suspicion.

I'm simply reading that as "these are my two strongest Town reads." Is there a reason you think there's more to it than that?

 

It's an odd way of putting it, and combined with his other behaviour I don't like it. 

 

And re. Darthe, you have two votes on you, of course you are under suspicion. I can't get a read as you rarely post substantively and i haven't played with you before, but i'd lean town and if you bother to read my post you'll see I don't think those votes are motivated by any actual belief you are Mafia. 

 

Also, you're not getting a TL:DR - put the effort in, read the post, and let me reminisce when Mafia games involved posts of quality rather than quantity. 

 

 

page 12:

Having reread again, and nothing else really having cropped up, I'm not seeing a viable alternative so per my previous posts [v]Eldrick[/v]

 

page 16:

Well it's nice to know my gut isn't entirely wrong (re. Eldrick), although obviously not good that we're now two town down. I don't know enough about Yates and his playstyle to comment on whether the NK on him indicates an experienced Mafia team, but i'll be guided by others. 

 

Not quite sure what Sili is getting at on me setting up mislynches. My posts will normally be substantive and set out what i think about my main suspects, and my reasons for doing so. You may not buy the fact I accepted Eldrick's defence, but at the end of the day I similarly screwed up big time in American Gods about 24 hours before Eldrick screwed up here. Without a doubt i was influenced by that, which is why i was more inclined to believe Eldrick - and tied to the swift condemnation from multiple sources it really looked like Mafia scenting weakness and heading in for the kill. After some time to reflect, and evidence presented, it seemed to me that I might be bias due to my actions, and accordingly went with the evidence. It's hardly surprising that my confidence took a knock after bowing out of American Gods so early due to a stupid mistake.

 

Talking about stupid mistakes, i feel we need to talk about the hammer drop. The gap between my vote and Talya's hammer was 12 minutes. We were very lucky that Eldrick didn't have a role, 'cause he sure as hell didn't get a chance to claim it in that time. Yes he could have claimed earlier, but standard meta back in the day was to claim as a last resort - if you didn't have to, don't do it! Talya either made a big mistake, or mafia were deliberately waiting to shut the door on Eldrick asap. She is clearly expecting some heat for this action (justifiably!) and she knows it was wrong - it's arse covering, but is it mafia arse covering? Added to that, Talya then disappears presumably to keep a low profile and hope some distractions show up and her mistake will just be swept under the carpet, and it seems to be working. Mafia trying to throw us off the scent and cover for her?

 

[v]Talya[/v]

 

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Ok thought that was the hammer. I'll give it a shot, for what it's worth. 

 

As far as i can tell, there are 3 reasons people are voting for me:

 

1) Trusting my initial read on Eldrick. Its not suspicious to ANY of you that in the space of 24 hours he gets the kitchen sink thrown at him? 

 

2) Explaining my actions. Apparently in this meta i need to throw out random accusations and be 100% behind each one (per Sili's reading). At the end of the day, there is one person whose alignment i am sure of and that is mine (Town for those wondering). I am not someone who posts meaningless one sentence posts, and will normally explain my thought process. It should be clear from my posts on day 1 that my initial read on Eldrick was strong town (~80%) which progressed as more evidence came up and eventually I reached a decision that he was probably Mafia (60%), and i then voted accordingly. On Talya I was probably 55% Town until the hammer was dropped suspiciously, and she went to at least 70% Mafia. Sili seems to be conflating putting a lynch at l-1 with being as bad as a hammer (something i disagree with).

 

3) Yates being NK'd as someone who "caught my slip". Yes he questioned my post, but if you think my Mafia game is bad enough to immediately kill a primary accuser you underestimate my Mafia game! 

 

The thing that is getting me is Talya makes a mistake and gets a pass from large numbers of players, Eldrick slips up and is railroaded and the same happens with me in American Gods, and arguably here. 

 

And as Talya posted whilst i was typing this, what's surprising about having multiple Mafia suspects? We can expect two, probably three Mafia. At the end of the day I was persuaded by the arguments and evidence presented - which is what we are supposed to do, isn't it? 

 

At the end of the day, i am l-1. I can't role claim anything as i'm vanilla so there is little else to say. I expect the hammer to drop soon, possibly from a Mafia. I'm unlikely to get back on too soon as i put my life on hold for my interview today and there is a hell of a lot of things i need to catch up on, and i'm running a training weekend this weekend. If i'm alive on Monday, i'll see you all then. 

 

 

[Shad_]

Yeah, Talya is town.  I didn't realize Dae had actually started her train.  That makes life easier.

[Hallia]

Thanks for posting those!

 

I have to say, Dae did a great job of posting without really pointing fingers towards anyone.

[Talya]

Actually looking back, he didn't do that many posts, 1 page, Dae was thinking that Eld was town, a couple of hours before he voted he had changed his mind. To me there seemed to be no transition from Eld being town to Eld being Mafia. I didn't agree that the transition that AH saw was actually that good. He actually did do a couple of posts prior to the vote where he said he was looking at Eld, but it felt like a jump with nothing in between. just my thought on it

[Hallia]

You make some good points regarding Tal.

 

Town:

Laine

Shad

 

Probably Town:

Talya

Sili 

 

Null:

AH

Sooh

Darthe

 

Scum:

NotBob

 

That's what I've got at the moment.

[Shad_]

Actually looking back, he didn't do that many posts, 1 page, Dae was thinking that Eld was town, a couple of hours before he voted he had changed his mind. To me there seemed to be no transition from Eld being town to Eld being Mafia. I didn't agree that the transition that AH saw was actually that good. He actually did do a couple of posts prior to the vote where he said he was looking at Eld, but it felt like a jump with nothing in between. just my thought on it

 

Oh I'm good with you Talya, I'm asking about red.  I didn't catch where AH said that he saw a smooth transition in Dae's thoughts.  I've got a lot to re-read still though, might have just missed this.

[Talya]

Post #384

 

She notes that people are saying he seemed so sure that he knew Eld was Town, but she can see where this lynch is coming from...ahh I see what I did, I assumed she was still talking about his vote on the Eld lynch, but she is actually talking about his lynch.

[Darthe]

Hally I wish your list was more decisive

[Aiel Heart]

Wait what? When did I say that the transition was good? And how on earth did I not point fingers at Daet but defend him?

 

Daet—first post #50 notes that there are two votes on Verbal already “any other options” —#97 he took it as a legitimate misplay on Eldrick’s part and also drew a little more attention to Verbal—#206 I like what it says. Seems very… Calculated.—#317 actually looks at the Talya drop which others hadn’t yet
Others are looking hard at post #97 and saying that he seemed too certain Eldrick was town. Once again, I can see where this lynch is coming from. I also like his posts in a way that makes me suspicious of them; they almost feel too carefully townie to me. <--this was a major scum indicator for me actually--his posts were a good combination of looking everywhere and looked at some people who had heat and some people who had none
Throw in with that his swing vote in (more on that later, see the blue), and I think he goes from feeling very “mixed” to me to “leaning scummy”
Though, I think part of me also doesn’t want to lynch him so early in his first game back :P need to get past that.
 
...
 

Another note
re:#205—that whole situation (with the N0 views and all) still makes no sense and I still don’t like it.—btw, (and this is the relevant part) that post was at 10:01 am June 8. I asked a question of Eldrick in it. At that time, the only votes on Eldrick were Laine, Darthe, Sili and NotBob. He was hammered at 2:43pm June 8 in post #238 and hadn’t posted yet. The last three votes (Verbal, Daet and Talya) landed on him without a word of any kind or chance of defense from him. Verbal’s vote I was ok with. Daet’s was backed up by previous posts but he kind of just swung in there and laid a vote. Talya said in #318 that she had been writing the post as Daet voted. She knew how it would look and thought he would flip scum and didn’t think of a reveal. Could just be an honest mistake. The entire end of day feels off though and I feel like it's going to have further repercussions. 

Going to look back on some Yates posts too. Town =/= right, but I’d prefer to think he was killed for a reason.

I suppose the bold is where you are getting the "smooth transition" from? 

He said that his previous posts backed it up; sorry, I should have put that in quotations. Look at the post where he swung in and voted. If anything, his vote was the most scummy in there. 

 

 

Also note he was on my scum list.

[Aiel Heart]

Post #384

 

She notes that people are saying he seemed so sure that he knew Eld was Town, but she can see where this lynch is coming from...ahh I see what I did, I assumed she was still talking about his vote on the Eld lynch, but she is actually talking about his lynch.

Yeah I was referring to Daet's lynch :P

[Shad_]

 

Eld as there was no N0 I think it's safe to say they were joking.

 

 

If anyone actually thinks Eld is mafia, I'm surprised. He's reading derptown to me. XD

How do you know there wasn't?

 

 

Because the mod will state when there is one?

 

I'm with Sili there.

 

Eldrick's vote did seem bandwagon-ey, but he did retract it pretty much immediately. I'd normally take that as misplay, and i'm certainly not going to hold taking Darthe's play seriously against him as it is only due to other games that i know it was probably a joke. 

 

Votes notwithstanding, Eldrick's accusers are Alanna, Darthe, Sili and Hallia. Possibly NotBob as well. Five people gunning for one target on Day 1? I'd say you could guarantee one mafia in that list, if not two.

 

The only other lead is supposedly Verb's activity (too active and then not active). Still not overly interested in that argument as i don't think it would be that indicative. On an activity note, i have services all day tomorrow so might get a chance to check in by mobile between rehearsals, but probably not around til Monday. 

 

Including Hallia on this list was stupidly arbitrary.  My gut reaction is that it helps her case as town, but I can read that list a dozen different ways so I'm hesitant to put much weight into it beyond that I really doubt it includes both remaining mafia.

[Talya]

Shad - I read that too last time, I couldn't understand why she was in there, when she wasn't pushing him. A Mistake and he read it wrong, or was putting her there on purpose.

[Talya]

@ Hallia - Why Notbod, i was your scum hunt yesterday so why NB now?

 

Ah - Yeah I misread it, was still reading about the Eld bit so my mind was still there.

[Talya]

 

Vote Count

 

Eldrick (5) - Laine, Darthe, Sili, Notbob, Verb

Darthe (2) - Eldrick, Shad

Verbie (1) - Yates

 

Not voting - Daetirion, Hallia, Aiel <3, Sooh, Talya

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

 

DEADLINE - NOON Tuesday EDT (roughly 25 hours from now)

 

At least two scum within the bolded group.

 

 

Something Notbob posted during the Eld lynch. Dae we already know. so he got one right

[Talya]

EOD 1 Lynch

 

ELD: Alanna, Darthe, Sili, NotBob, Verb, Dae, Tal

 

VERB: Yates

 

DARTHE: Sooh, Shad

 

NOT VOTING: Hallia, Sooh, AH

 

EOD 2: Lynch

 

DAE:  Verbs, Notbob, Sili, Shad, Laine, Talya

TALYA: Dae, Heart, Hallia, Darthe

 

Not voting: Sooh

 

Darthe Voted Shad but he didn't unvote so I don't think Leelou counts it

 

I could put myself in bolded green, but others may want to use this

[Talya]

I think these are the biggest posts by Sooh, where she feels like she is doing something.

 

Oki.. going to go through and read everyone in ISO now. 

 

Shad - He defends Eldrick during D1. No clear TMI, but enough hinting for it to be strange. He also seems to have extensive knowledge about the game for only having read a bit of House of Cards. That's very impressive to pick up on all that from only reading one game, if that's indeed what you did. He had a semi-strange post around EOD 1 when he felt "really, really awesome right now, even though we're losing." 

 

He has a couple of posts whick I find strange. He seems to be hinting at a wolf meta, even though he says this is his first game. It just pings me to have such a clear idea about how you would behave in a situation you haven't been in. 

 

I find myself leaning mafia on him. 

 

Dae - I have a hard time seeing anything but commentary in his posts. At the beginning I liked this and that he was observant about what was going on and such. He seems to be posting a lot of content, but when you read it there's really not much there. I wish by now that he would have made a much stronger stance one way or another. Wouldn't mind lynching him today.

 

Alannalynn - I haven't seen anything that really concerns me in her posts as of yet. Leaning town here.

 

Verb - I feel good about Verb too. Nothing that really pings me. Town lean.

 

Hallia has barely made any reads or contributed to anything yet. Scum lean.

 

Darthe - His lack of game solving may not be alignment indicative. I just don't like the constant prodding without trying to look deeper to see if there are wolves there. I am still leaning mafia though, but I won't get him lynched today. 

 

[unvote]

 

Heart - She reads 2/3 of the players scummy, which is a little strange, then again, as I'm writing this I realize that I also probably have too many scum reads, so maybe she's paranoid town too. Null for now.

 

Sili - Strange to me how he was town reading Darthe all of D1, and then all of a sudden scum read him. He seems to be veering towards reading him town now, so idk. I like his pushes on people though, and it seems to me like he's trying to solve the game, so I'm giving him a town lean.

 

Talya - I agree that the hammer does make her look bad. Not quite sure that makes her mafia though, just eager town. I'll put a null read for now, because everyone else reading her scummy is making me slightly paranoid. 

 

Notbob - I have said it before and I'll say it again. I'm having issues reading him. He DOES seem to be prodding people to make reads, but there's little follow up. Make it a null for now.

 

*sidenote: you do need a new nickname because it's a nightmare to ISO you. Reading PAGES worth of the thread before finding a post of yours to cut and paste the name from doesn't really do it for me!*

 

_______________

 

Well Talya.. you ninja'd me. I was just about to post. Let's cross our fingers and hope you were right!

 

he certainly made a strong stance he went for me, so not quite sure what she means here, it feels like she is trying to put something on him, I think she was going to put her vote on him, but I had beaten her to it. I'm getting a slight wolf feel here and she was lloking to put something in here to back up her vote on Dae.

 

TL;DR

 

Shad - scum lean

 

Dae - null/scum lean

 

Alannalynn - town lean

 

Verb - town lean.

 

Hallia - scum lean.

 

Darthe - scum lean

 

Heart - null

 

Sili - town lean

 

Talya - null

 

Notbob - null

 

 

She has Darthe, Hallia and Shad as Scum, but she is happy with a Dae lynch even though she has him down as Hull/scum lean.

 

 

Dae was playing a lot before I believe, and has had a hiatus from playing. As for Shad he did mention having read up on a couple of games. I remember being accused of something similar in my first game when I was trying to do what other people were doing and using their lingo, so I am not really suspicious of that on its own. I'll go ISO him though, just to see if anything sticks out.

 

She mentions Dae has played before...was that mentioned on here? Could well have done.

 

 

Ok... Here are some of my thoughts so far. 

 

Dae seems towny to me for having some good observations on the gameplay. 

 

Alannalynn also seems towny to me for good town process and just pointing out things. 

 

 

I'm on the fence with Eldrick. I know he has rolled mafia like the majority of his games that I've played with him, but from his gameplay so far I don't know what to believe. It was a strange vote/reaction on Verb. Like you've all pointed out, it has more to do with his comments after than the actual vote during the catching up phase. 

 

Heart feels a bit like she did in Middle Earth when she was mafia. I can't really pinpoint why. It's more a feeling right now. 

 

I feel about Talya like I do with Heart, but I felt like Talya was mafia in Middle Earth and she wasn't.

 

Another one who has jumped from Towny feel to happy to lynch.

 

She has been very focused on Darthe and Shad this whole game (although only voted Darthe). Wasn't voting Day 1 nor day 2

[Darthe]

I'll be honest, I think I forgot about Sooh as a wolf read.

 

I got invested in this game for two pages or so and picked Sooh out and changed a lot of things around but I can't remember when that was.

[Aiel Heart]

Dangit Leelou, why isn't town green? You messed up my skittle puke 

 

1. Eldrick, Mother - vanilla town - lynched D1

2. Shad_

3. Daetirion - The Alien - goon - lynched D2

4. Yates - Space Jockey - vanilla townie - killed N1

5. Laine

6. Verb - Kane - vanilla townie - killed N2

7. Hallia

8. Darthe

9. Aiel <3

10. Sili

11. Sooh

12. Talya--claimed vanilla town

13. NotBob

 

Did anyone else make a claim I hadn't noticed yet?

 

Ok, so there are nine players left in this game. Going by the normal 1/4 rule of thumb, there are probably two more mafia. The 13th player may mean there's a 3rd party player, but we'll assume no for now. 

 

Nine players = 2 mafia, probably 2-3 power roles (doc, cop and possible vig. Can't remember how common those are in basic games) and the rest vanilla townies. 

 

 

One order of business: why Yates and Verbal?

A few options here

1) They were suspected power roles for whatever reason

2) They were on to something

3) They're good players and the mafia wanted to take them out earlier rather than later

4) Random choice and the mafia is just trying to screw with us?

 

Yates' posts primarily consisted of discussing his leg hair, questioning Laine about a few things though not actually pushing her, and generally questioning and refining things with others such as shad, Eldrick and Daet. In my opinion his play had been very strongly town (though that could just be 20/20 hindsight at this point) so that is perhaps the reason he was lynched.

 

Verbal didn’t like Shad’s beginning, was one of the later votes on Eldrick, questioned Alanna’s discomfort and questioned Darthe’s swag. He liked Sili’s call that Daet, me and Hallia were wolves. Also generally looking at people and questioning them.

 

GRRR there is something obvious here that I am missing!!!!!

 

 

Next order of business: Daet:

Daet listed Eldrick’s accusers as Alanna, Darthe, Sili and Hallia with a possibly NotBob, and says there are probably one or two mafia on that list. There probably are. If one or two of them turned up mafia, it would make him look better. He also drew more attention to Verb’s activity.

He later looked at Talya and Alanna, then said that Sili was concerning him and that Shad needs to be focused upon.

Sili and Alanna are the two consistent people from those lists, which could mean anything.

He then focused on Talya in the midst of defending himself.

....

 3) Yates being NK'd as someone who "caught my slip". Yes he questioned my post, but if you think my Mafia game is bad enough to immediately kill a primary accuser you underestimate my Mafia game! 

...

Interesting to note. May or may not be true. Yates could have still been lynched for another reason.

 

Posting this much for now then will synthesize this with my previous reads list and the developments since then.

[Talya]

I was thinking if Sooh is wolf, she is with you or Shad, lol

 

And I need to give up Mafia, I sit on the computer too long catching up and searching and eating chocolate...grrr..lol

[Talya]

I think Yates had only voted Verb and didn't have one suspicious on him, so he would have been a nice kill with little information coming out of it. Verb could have been the same reason, or, like you said, thought he was good and needed to get rid of him or a power role, or was trying to set someone up (but I'm not sure anyone was looking at Verb)

[Talya]

post #522 was at Darthe.

 

@ AH - that is so much better to read, thank you

[Darthe]

Talya I'm pretty convinced about the wolves being in Sooh shad or Hally. Anyone past that looks better and is in a different tier