Alien mafia [BASIC] - Game Over - Town won

[Sili Quirrels]

Heart's post doesn't read to me as defensive.

What's the word you would use for

 

First off, this doesn't necessarily make me scummy. Secondly, I'm actually not, I just have a busy real life. I don't see why you are taking this as an issue for me when there are other people who have also been fairly inactive for similar reasons.

 

[Hallia]

Explanatory?

 

 

I like that she included the questions at the end, I would like to see what she thinks of your response.

[Aiel Heart]

 

Heart's post doesn't read to me as defensive.

What's the word you would use for

 

First off, this doesn't necessarily make me scummy. Secondly, I'm actually not, I just have a busy real life. I don't see why you are taking this as an issue for me when there are other people who have also been fairly inactive for similar reasons.

 

 

Stressed and defensive in nature not only as a wolf

 

Oh and WoT incoming shortly. 

[Aiel Heart]

Explanatory?

I like that too.

 

 

Scum tend to be more inactive and make more excuses and not have reads or sheep reads rather. I think its pretty clear i think dae is scummier than u ah.

 

I'd agree with both of those. My stipulation on the bold is that this alone does not make scum.

 

Finishing my teal deer. 

[Sili Quirrels]

Explanatory?

 

 

I like that she included the questions at the end, I would like to see what she thinks of your response.

 

The part quoted doesn't address anything significant. It says she's not scum, and I should be looking at all these other people who also look bad.

 

Her first question, I get that. That's alright even though it's pretty obvious why someone would vote her imo.

The second question she answers herself when she quotes:

 

*You want to balance the wagons and see how things go there--fair enough

 

 

I look forward to the wall of text.

[Sili Quirrels]

As to not believing you, AH, I'm referring not to whether you're busy, but whether being busy affects your participation to this degree.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

Heart's post doesn't read to me as defensive.

What's the word you would use for

 

First off, this doesn't necessarily make me scummy. Secondly, I'm actually not, I just have a busy real life. I don't see why you are taking this as an issue for me when there are other people who have also been fairly inactive for similar reasons.

 

 

Stressed and defensive in nature not only as a wolf

 

Oh and WoT incoming shortly. 

 

reads like a slip btw.

[Aiel Heart]

@380--fair enough and... *

@381--chase a dozen kindergardeners in open spaces for nine hours straight and report back to me

@382--*roll eyes* yes dear

 

 

 

*INCOMING

[Aiel Heart]

Shad—(cutting snippets of my notes on him)—#29 was going to play up “I don’t get this game guys” (very first post). #122 explained his first post, said he wanted to seem unwolfy by saying what he would have done as wolf; personally I hate those posts and they jump out to me as wolfy. It bugs me in #148 that Shad doesn’t appear to see the difference between the Yates/NotBob votes on Verbal and the Eldrick one. The first two were jokes, the last was a “joke” that Eldrick himself took too seriously. And then he ends the post by riding on Eldrick’s shirt tails. Starts moving in on Darthe, #246 doesn’t like Darthe’s behavior and says Sili is “mimicking” it and is suspicious because of these. Posts since have been explanations of play. #291 questioning Yates’ night death “neutral kill keeps momentum rolling in same direction”
Legitimately trying, doesn’t seem to have firm hold of everything yet but is trying. I’m getting newbie trying to hit the ground running from him. Now, looking past the shaky ground that newness can cause, the places where he appears to have gaps in knowledge are interesting to me, and could be indicative of some sort of voting. I also really really do hate the “if I were scum, this is what I would be doing” posts. Leaning scum at the moment

Daet—first post #50 notes that there are two votes on Verbal already “any other options” —#97 he took it as a legitimate misplay on Eldrick’s part and also drew a little more attention to Verbal—#206 I like what it says. Seems very… Calculated.—#317 actually looks at the Talya drop which others hadn’t yet
Others are looking hard at post #97 and saying that he seemed too certain Eldrick was town. Once again, I can see where this lynch is coming from. I also like his posts in a way that makes me suspicious of them; they almost feel too carefully townie to me.
Throw in with that his swing vote in (more on that later, see the blue), and I think he goes from feeling very “mixed” to me to “leaning scummy”
Though, I think part of me also doesn’t want to lynch him so early in his first game back :P need to get past that.

Laine—I’ve come to the conclusion that I don’t like a lot of her posts because she tends to make general assumptions; the first was that posting anything without being completely read up is scummy, which I didn’t think it was so early in the game. The next one that popped out to me was in post #255 when she scoffs at the gambit that Talya indicated was possible, which really wouldn’t have been much of a gambit and isn’t extremely ridiculous. I do follow the “more logical line of reasoning” but that then makes the generalization that “starting something” is indicative of scum, which it isn’t necessarily. She’s playing a lot like she did last game, which is digging in at certain people to the point that it almost seems to be tunneling, but also mentioning other people here and there as well. Will leave as leaning town for now to account for jumpiness.

Verbal—post #51 felt very out of character for me. Verbal isn’t normally a very defensive player, but he gave the early NotBob vote concerning “padding” a response which was… Really unwarranted that early in the game. #209 popped back in, semantics discussion with Shad followed—#320 saw Talya’s hammer as a genuine mistake and voted Daet because of his Eldrick knowledge

Hallia—really haven’t noticed a whole lot yet. I’ve noted two posts and can’t glean a great deal from them. Going to note here that she’s pushing Talya and Alanna and likes Sooh. Potential ISO

Darthe—I feel like his posts are a little more “popcorny” than they were in the last game I saw him play, but that could mean anything. I have an overall good feeling from him, but would like to see more of the thought that I know is going on.

Sili—had kind of focused in on Darthe for a bit, and then seems to have wandered away. Has since shifted gaze to Daet, and I get town feels from the post that was looking at him closely (#346), though the mislynches post (#303) struck me as odd. Still wondering the specifics of why the vote shifted to me. Still trying to figure out how Sili thinks; I didn’t interact with him a great deal in the Middle Earth game. Leaning town for him atm.

Sooh—doing a lot of explaining for other people, which is just kind of in her nature, but there were rarely thoughts of her own or her own behavior in the midst of those explanations for other people. Might be good to ISO that in particular. There was one post of substance that I noticed but forgot to make note of, then the next thing of substance is looking at Shad #312—then right after at #316 follows Sili with an ISO and then votes Darthe. Her play feels different this game and I don’t like it, and then that little switch tipped it into a scummy read for her.

Talya—she’d seemed rather townie to me at first, but during this reread something about #147 felt off to me… For some reason it felt more like laying implications rather than drawing connections. Did not like that hammer (more on that later, see the blue), though we do all make mistakes. In post #318 she posted to defend herself but didn’t say anything else, in post #343 she randomly took a closer look at Hallia and had a scum lean on her. Feels scummy to me at the moment.

NotBob—also still trying to figure out. I have very little basis to understand his play from, though I know from brief skims of other games popcorning in is normal for him. So far this game there’s been a combination of his own votes and then also “going along” with what select others are doing, and has given explanations every now and then. Leaning town for now, but really not basing that on much.



Another note
re:#205—that whole situation (with the N0 views and all) still makes no sense and I still don’t like it.—btw, (and this is the relevant part) that post was at 10:01 am June 8. I asked a question of Eldrick in it. At that time, the only votes on Eldrick were Laine, Darthe, Sili and NotBob. He was hammered at 2:43pm June 8 in post #238 and hadn’t posted yet. The last three votes (Verbal, Daet and Talya) landed on him without a word of any kind or chance of defense from him. Verbal’s vote I was ok with. Daet’s was backed up by previous posts but he kind of just swung in there and laid a vote. Talya said in #318 that she had been writing the post as Daet voted. She knew how it would look and thought he would flip scum and didn’t think of a reveal. Could just be an honest mistake. The entire end of day feels off though and I feel like it's going to have further repercussions. 

Going to look back on some Yates posts too. Town =/= right, but I’d prefer to think he was killed for a reason.


TL;DR


Shad—scummy
Daet—scummy
Laine—Town?
Verbal—Town?
Hallia—Null
Darthe—Town?
Sili—Town?
Sooh—scummy
Talya—scummy
NotBob—Null

Also, read the blue.

 

 

 

*Kisses for luck and releases to the tigers* 

[Aiel Heart]

.... Why didn't the blue code stay?

 

Another note
re:#205—that whole situation (with the N0 views and all) still makes no sense and I still don’t like it.—btw, (and this is the relevant part) that post was at 10:01 am June 8. I asked a question of Eldrick in it. At that time, the only votes on Eldrick were Laine, Darthe, Sili and NotBob. He was hammered at 2:43pm June 8 in post #238 and hadn’t posted yet. The last three votes (Verbal, Daet and Talya) landed on him without a word of any kind or chance of defense from him. Verbal’s vote I was ok with. Daet’s was backed up by previous posts but he kind of just swung in there and laid a vote. Talya said in #318 that she had been writing the post as Daet voted. She knew how it would look and thought he would flip scum and didn’t think of a reveal. Could just be an honest mistake. The entire end of day feels off though and I feel like it's going to have further repercussions. 

Going to look back on some Yates posts too. Town =/= right, but I’d prefer to think he was killed for a reason.

NOW IN COLOR

[Aiel Heart]

Hey Hallia, what do you think of things? 

[Sili Quirrels]

:/

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Dae[/v]

[Aiel Heart]

Two things occurred to me as I was brushing my teeth

 

1) Sili, a lot of the others here know that I just like to talk, and babble really easily, and I also do tend to over explain myself in any situation. I know you'll take that with a grain of salt this time, but just know that for future games. If people have meta on me, I want it to be accurate :P 

2) I never actually voted >.>

Vote count is

Dae (3) - Verbs, Notbob, Darthe, Sili

Darthe (1) - Sooh
Talya (1) - Dae 

6 to lynch

Dae needs a chance to response, and isn't my strongest scum anyway.

​Sooh I would like to hear more from. Sooh reads please?

Between Talya and Shad... I think at the moment it would be more informative to vote Talya

[Aiel Heart]

*Headdesk* still am not changing the numbers in the vote counts. You'd think I'd've learned at some point during the pokemon game :P

 

 

Ok, with that I'm letting myself pass out. See y'all at some point tomorrow!

[Shad_]

A few things that bug me about Dae after giving his (sorry for thinking you were female earlier) posts a thorough read:

 

Sili's conduct concerns me. The presumably jokey "i'm not lynching these guys" could be simply a joke, or it could be trying to bail out teammates - in this case Darthe who has come under suspicion. Darthe, i have little read on as there are minimal substantive posts, so I don't want to definitely put these pair together, but it just doesn't gel for me. The way he held off on the Eldrick train until later could be he was seeing which way the wind blew, picking his target and giving the bandwagon more steam as a Mafia ... or it could be he simply waited for the evidence. I'd say i'm leaning Mafia here but only slightly. Definitely keeping my eye on him though.

 

 

And re. Darthe, you have two votes on you, of course you are under suspicion. I can't get a read as you rarely post substantively and i haven't played with you before, but i'd lean town and if you bother to read my post you'll see I don't think those votes are motivated by any actual belief you are Mafia. . 

 

 

Red seems like garbage filler that could apply to most of the people who voted Eldrick, including Dae himself.

As for the rest of the argument against Sili, it's basically the same one I'd already used, except I only saw a connection because of my strong feelings about Darthe.  If I was going to "lean town" with Darthe, as Dae did, the argument doesn't hold much weight.  So why present it?

 

The other thing that bugs me is that Dae has pressed from the beginning that his gut feeling casts Eldrick as town.  He weighs this against unspecified "evidence" and eventually votes Eldrick, then comments that his gut feeling was right all along after Eldrick flips town.  Set-up for appearing innocent while getting the job done?  Dae cast the sixth vote (which Talya hammered almost immediately), but at the time four people hadn't voted at all yet and Yates' Verbal vote was hardly committal.  There was plenty of time left in Day 1.  Why go against your gut feeling and cast the penultimate vote?  I'd understand if it was down to the wire or everyone else had voted, but under the circumstances, wouldn't it have made more sense to express your thoughts but hold off on the vote a while longer?

[Hallia]

I feel like Laine's response to me wasn't bad. I feel a bit better about her. Notbob's play is standing out to me, in a bad way. But at the moment Tal is my top so I will also

 

[v] Talya [/v]

[Sili Quirrels]

So 2 wagons.

 

Talya @ 3

Dae @ 4

 

I like both.

[Darthe]

So iff I blind hammer Talya is that bad form?

[Sili Quirrels]

So iff I blind hammer Talya is that bad form?

 

yes.

[Shad_]

Well, here are my general thoughts so far.

 

Probably Town:

Sili - I've liked pretty much everything he's said and done since page 10.  It feels to me like when his American Gods wolf game fell apart he decided to give town his all in this one.  He throws his vote around a lot in a positive sort of way--puts it where questions need to be answered.  And a quick scan of his wolf game there makes me feel like I'm definitely not seeing one here.  Also
 

 

 

I didn't notice this, but interesting connection. My voting you has nothing to do with you pushing me.

 

 

[unvote]

[v]eldrick[/v]

 

 

This was the only thing Eldrick said that made me second-guess my stance on him.  It felt like in the off-chance he was wolf he was setting me up for the next lynch.  Obviously Sili wasn't defending me in any way there, but it does make me feel good about his vote that it came on the heels of the shadiest thing Eldrick said in this game imo.

I have to start trusting somebody sooner or later.  Sili's clear as far as I'm concerned.

Leaning town:

Verbal - He gave the best explanation for voting Eldrick.  When almost everyone else was bandwagoning an easy target to see what happens and move the game along, he popped off with an explanation that made perfect sense.  I don't know if wolf Verbal would go to the trouble or not, because I don't know Verbal, but I don't think most wolves would.

Laine - Hunts witches instead of wolves, but with so much vigor...  If she manages to lead a charge it's going to be a mislynch, but I've felt she was town from pretty early on and still do.

Neutral:

Sooh - I feel like she's not an aggressive person and would rather answer questions than dig hard at a target.  Nothing she's said has bothered me, and...  I don't know, she seems like a really nice person, and I can't help but think that nice people are easy to catch being dishonest.  I feel like if she was wolf I'd see it.  That's probably a really bad way for me to approach this game, so I'm not going to allow myself to trust her just yet.

Aiel <3 - Post #384 is pretty hard to complain about, and also pretty hard to fully take in in one sitting.  If I dig through it long enough I might find something suspicious, but it read as a very honest assessment of the game so far on the surface.  If she's wolf, she's pretty good at blocking that fact out of her mind when necessary.  She's definitely off my radar for now.  I'll revisit that post and adjust accordingly when/if the time comes.

Hallia - Hasn't said much, but hasn't said or done anything suspicious either.  I liked that she called Eldrick derptown early on, before he had a bandwagon and it was no guarantee that things would spiral into a mislynch.  I'm expecting her to go town, but she was so inactive day 1 that I have to hold off forming much of an opinion just yet.

Leaning scum:

NotBob -- He's starting to feel like a spectator with a vote to me.  I kind of naturally like him, but that doesn't mean anything.  I feel like I have nothing to judge him by, and the more that time goes on the more that's going to make me suspicious of him.

Talya -- Considering how much heat Eldrick got for a derp post he made 12 minutes into his game, Talya's hammer merits pretty heavy grilling.  And unlike Eldrick, it's not screaming honest mistake to me.

Daetirion -- His reasons for voting Eldrick felt contrived.  Lots of CYA in prep for Eldrick flipping town instead of detailing what finally pushed him to the vote, but he wanted us to believe that he put a great deal of thought into that vote.  He also gave a pretty fluffy, hollow argument against Sili.

Probably Scum:

Darthe -- If I'm wrong when this game ends, I really hope someone offers me a thorough explanation for why so many people consistently thought he was town.  Not going to beat a dead horse about why I don't like him atm, but nothing has really shaken my day 1 thoughts so far.

Going to [v]Talya[/v] for now, would rather see Darthe or Dae lynched though.  If Darthe's wolf I doubt he'll be the first one we catch.  If Dae's town and gets to 5, I don't know, might Talya take one for her team and immediately hammer again?  4 Talya votes and 4 Dae votes is a nice balance.  I want to see how both of them respond.

 

Would that even make sense?  An already suspected wolf Talya revealing to hammer a town Dae at 5 votes?  Or would that be a really dumb move for mafia to make?

[Sooh]

I'll read everyone's posts in isolation (ISO) tonight and create a reads list for you all. I know you've been waiting for that from me. I'll have time tonight my time, which means some time in the day for you US folks.

[Shad_]

As for Talya, I've played countless games with her across multiple sites over the years.  I say this because I'm making a read based on years of meta and understanding how she plays and how she's made 'moves' from both alignments.  I am not reading this as a slip; rather, I'm reading this as a genuine mistake on her part.

 

I just noticed this, and I rather trust Verbal in this game.  Dae is who I would rather be voting for anyway, as I said when I voted for Talya.  I imagine my concern about Dae getting to 5 before having a chance to speak is far fetched, but I don't know the game well enough to be sure of that.  Ehhh.....  Leaving my vote where it is for the night, but it won't take much for me to switch it tomorrow.

[Leelou]

Vote Count
 
Dae (4) - Verbs, Notbob, Darthe, Sili
Talya (4) - Dae, Heart, Hallia, Shad

Darthe (1) - Sooh

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch
 
Deadline - Friday noon EDT

[Talya]

I'm not going to hammer Dae I need to have a good read on this game before I vote. Once bitten twice shy. I can't add any more to the hammer vote I did. It was one of those moments

 

If I get chance at work today I will try to reread.

 

I don't particularly like Hallia. I know someone said she is quite, but I have seen better from her as town. And only seeing two things that stood out in day 2 is not good imo.

 

Dae I'm not sure on and will have check. Darthe hasn't come in to play this game at all so this is raising suspicion for me.

Not Bob has done nothing but sheep people and has not had anything constructive to add.

 

If Dae is town them wolves are happy now because they have two townies that could go down. If he is wolf then I am the set up lynch for them to protect Dae.

 

I can't claim anything so you will only be losing a VT not a role.

[Talya]

I'm not going to hammer Dae I need to have a good read on this game before I vote. Once bitten twice shy. I can't add any more to the hammer vote I did. It was one of those moments

 

If I get chance at work today I will try to reread.

 

I don't particularly like Hallia. I know someone said she is quite, but I have seen better from her as town. And only seeing two things that stood out in day 2 is not good imo.

 

Dae I'm not sure on and will have check. Darthe hasn't come in to play this game at all so this is raising suspicion for me.

Not Bob has done nothing but sheep people and has not had anything constructive to add.

 

If Dae is town them wolves are happy now because they have two townies that could go down. If he is wolf then I am the set up lynch for them to protect Dae.

 

I can't claim anything so you will only be losing a VT not a role.