A Tale of Middle Earth: Game OVER

[Sooh]

 

 

i'm sorta in, catching up. VC said AH has most votes, inactivity? Though it's true that more activity would be nice, i think we have enough on others to vote for them.

 

Seph, Sooh, Ep....

 

[v]Sooh[/v]

 

i know you're busy RL, but i'm not buying that you're town this game. 

 

Pot, meet kettle.. We have about the exact same number of posts, so I don't know why you're calling me inactive, or was that just for AH?

 

btw, what do you have on Seph?

 

Questions like these still give me the impression that you're only trying to piece together the other wolf team. You have Seph as a scum read, but are voting AH (which makes her unlikely to be on your team unless you're just bussing) and yet you still seem to be trying to connect players with Seph.

 

 

I've had Seph as a wolf for days mostly for meta reasons. I was trying to see if Thane had noticed more about Seph than I have been able to, but his answers were not very helpful.

 

 

 

Also, as a sidenote; if I thought EP was a wolf I'd vote for EP. I have him as null, but I can't say I'm convinced enough he's scum. Either way. If I turn around and vote him now I'll just be accused of bussing anyway, so for now and at least until I hear from Heart I'll keep my vote there.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, there's a possible scenario where I blocked the murder and it wasn't Hallia or EP.

 

EP nexus role, and my block was randed to the actual wolf doing the kill.

 

Which means EP is still a wolf nexus role, or just the goon doing the kill last night, or a straight Godfather role.

[alannalynn]

Alannalynn, you read me the past 3 pages or so.

 

Please.

doing that now, I'm probably not going to quote though because that's hassle

[Askthepizzaguy]

Villagers should never fear being accused of bussing a wolf, they should just vote the wolves.

 

Sooh, my sweetest one.

[Leelou]

So, which team is EP on? Who are his teammates? 

[Askthepizzaguy]

My heart and soul in this thread, I am logging off now for real.

 

I stayed and talked and commented as best I can. Want to be awake in 5 hours or so. Alarm set.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So, which team is EP on? Who are his teammates? 

 

Godfather or nexus or goon of the team that Tina was not on, is my highest wager.

 

Roleblocker less likely... I wouldn't have stopped a murder that way.

 

Teammates are the ones voting with him or will refuse to vote for him today before now, and will only pull the trigger if it's a forgone conclusion now.

 

Leave me more questions in the thread. I'll walk you through it, but I know you can see it all clearly yourself, it's all visible in the vote record and the way he's acting.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Talya clearly spewed not his partner.

 

(gone, seriously, logging off)

[White Knight]

[v]Eternal Phoenix[/v]

[alannalynn]

Working back, kinda. Let's see where I get to

Inactivity argument: just stop. Whining needs to stop. I think the activity in this game has been rather good compared to how it was when I left DM.  

AHearts catch on the "double voting": I'm actually currently going back to look at that. From what I was able to skim through while at work, I think it was a slip up. The vote was also not accounted for in either of the following vote counts after the post AH was referring to. Also of note, one of the vote counts was done by WK themself so wouldn't you think that they would account for their own double power? So, either an investigative role on AH's side, or teammates. Regardless, a vote stealing power feels very scummy to me. Also, seeing that Heart hasn't come back to the game(?) since it happened is a little sus.

I'm completely behind an AH lynch today, but I would really like to hear back from her before I place my vote

#3409 You can gut read peoples alignments, but roles? Nahhhh. Maybe by the way a cop plays or a doc, but a roleblocker?
#3410 I think it's safe to assume that the mafia teams will be complementing each other somehow with their roles, I'm wondering if the town has the same setup? I see a double vote (presumably town) and a vote stealer, I'm just finding it extremely hard to believe they're both town.

I'm pretty sure I still have Sooh as mafia, I was looking at her in relation to Dice earlier in the game. I need to go back and ISO to make sure I"m not losing my mind.

Not much to say on EP, I tend to skip over his posts. He's still firmly in the red for me. I am willing to go for an EP lynch if AHeart shows up with a good explanation.

 

@Pizza, I may have missed it and it's late, but where are you getting the idea that EP is a gf rb?
 

[Leelou]

All the inactives, except for Krak, have been replaced. Yes some people could post a bit more, but there is a decent bit to work with in thread. 

[alannalynn]

I want to have a look at the double voting thing...

I am not following the AH "tmi" case.

 

No less that two other people read the post in question the same way, because others in this game who claimed to have a double vote said "x2" when double voting.

 

And one of those people thinks AH is scum for the much, much, much more plausible reason that her leans list is entirely populated with villagers, and her one scum suspect is me. That's a total coincidence I'm sure.

 

That's what's bugging me. It just feels like a tinfoil hat case is being pushed for not-villagery reasons on a likely scum candidate. But you can get away with it because opposing scum.

 

I am fine watching the wolves self-destruct and eat each other, I'm just pointing out loony things as I see them from where I sit.

I'm gonna call nay on the first two lines, Pizza. First, there's no way three of you read it as a double voting power and didn't question it. AND it was recorded in vote counts by both Darthe and White Knight with only one vote, which think Leelou already mentioned. Quotes below.

 

So we have Heart, Pizza and Hallia misreading that same post. 

 

Had to really scour to make sure I got this right.  My ctrl + f isn't working for some reason.  Sorry if it's off, I'm counting the votes thus:

 

Official Vote Count
 
Hallia (2/9): Seph, Laine
Dicetosser1 (1/9): Sooh
White Knight (1/9): Eternal Phoenix
Eternal Phoenix (4/9): Pizza, WK, Tina, Cass
TinaHel (7/9): Leelou, Thane, Dice, AJ, Yates, Hallia, Talya
 
Not Voting (2/17):
Aiel Heart, Krak
 
With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.  Deadline is at 12:15 PM on May 19th, 2015.

 

Scene incoming

This is what I got:

 

Hallia (2/9): Seph, alannalynn
Dicetosser1 (1/9): Sooh
Taborline/White Knight (2/9): Eternal Phoenix, Hailia
Eternal Phoenix (3/9): White Knight, TinaHel, Cass
TinaHel (5/9): Leelou, Thane, Dicetosser1, Andrej, Yates

Not Voting (6/17):
Aiel Heart, Krak, Talya, Askthepizzaguy

If WK was publicly using his double vote at that point, wouldn't he have accounted for it himself. Also, I don't know how the power works, but is the person whose vote is stolen alerted? If so, has anyone been alerted to a vote steal this game?

[alannalynn]

All the inactives, except for Krak, have been replaced. Yes some people could post a bit more, but there is a decent bit to work with in thread. 

This is very true. Unfortunately I have to work during the week when everyone is most active, but It's not like we have huge stall outs with game play.

[alannalynn]

/snip

I'd like to refer to an old game on Myndjack that was ruined due to inactivity some of the people of this game know of it. I think it was Wombat's Star Wars game. From what I remember people stopped playing so the game never finished.

 

Well, the mod kinda stopped modding. 

I remember that game, it was in one of the last ones I was in before I had to stop playing because of school. I miss myndjack >.>

[Leelou]

[v]Eternal Phoenix[/v]

Did you steal someone's vote yet?

[Leelou]

Pizza, why didn't you vote for Tina in yesterday's phase?

[White Knight]

 

[v]Eternal Phoenix[/v]

Did you steal someone's vote yet?

 

Yes, I have already said that I have. But, no, the stolen vote has not been placed yet.

[White Knight]

So, Leelou, what do you think of Pizza? Are he and Andrej your Sith lover and his dog? 

[Leelou]

I don't really fully trust either of them. And no, I have no lover. 

[Andrej]

That's drunken dog to you, buddy.

 

Can you tell us more about how your role works? Is it x-shot? Did Taborline take anyone's vote while she was around?

[Andrej]

Leelou your paranoia is palpable ITT.

 

I feel you.

[Andrej]

I'm starting to get a bit paranoid myself. I want to avoid the tinfoil hat but from where I'm perched, Pizza, the weight you are throwing to get EP lynched looks somewhat like defense of AH or Sooh to me. Makes me nervous as I think toDay's lynch is pretty pivotal. We don't need to just lynch a wolf but the right wolf and I am wavering on my EP read. I'll go as far to say that if he flips villager here I am going to seriously reconsider my view on the game as your claim hasn't / can't be cooberated yet.

 

On a different note - why was Yates murdered last Night? I figured Hallia dies there every time.

[Talya]

Had a quick look at AH's lists and the WK issue.

 

This is her first list:

 

 

Aiel Heart, on 16 May 2015 - 3:53 PM, said:

Ok I'm up to page 90 in this game. I don't know if I'll be able to read up in time and I need to go a few places with my roommate soon so I'm just going to give my thoughts as of page 90 and then vote on this whole gladiator situation (saw it the last time I checked in). I've skimmed over the last couple of pages as well to see what arguments others are giving either way.

First though a little something from "my time" in the game

Yates., on 15 May 2015 - 01:35 AM, said:

Now that I can say this knowing you aren't a wolf...

Sili Quirrels, on 14 May 2015 - 10:10 AM, said:

I have a theory...

This is horse poop angle shooting. When is the last time you were right about something like this? Now look at me role? Still never.

That said, I won't be voting Aiel Heart ever in this game but that's for meta reasons. And we've had this discussion...

Where on earth did this come from? I didn't see me being mentioned anywhere in the last few pages before that.

I have not contributed to this game at all thus far and I don't recall ever playing with you so it's odd that you would be able to meta me.

Pointing out weird shenanigans




I started doing a list based off of where I am with anecdotes, but I'm out of time for that as my roommate wants to go in a few minutes so here's this, which is more gut reads based on my memories and notes but it's better than nothing. Once I actually go through and look at the posts referenced in notes it'll be a little more precise and may shift a bit


Firebird

Sooh

Talya

Eldrick

Krak

Leelou

Tina


Alot

Thane

Taborline


Cass/Monstr

dice

Pizza

seph

Yates.2

AlannaLynn


Aj

Verbal

Hallia



I've not liked Pizza for a lot of the game, but a lot of it was weird feeling from his posts. There have been posts I've definitely not liked about Verbal, plus I feel like he's been in the middle of some thicker tangles, and so we could learn a bit more based on how he flips. I don't like either of them, but I feel like Verbal is the better option from where I stand.


[Vote]Verbal[/Vote]

 

 

This is another post where she claims more, unfortunately it was coloured, I will try and add it.

 

 

Aiel Heart, on 17 May 2015 - 12:19 AM, said:

All of the random things that stuck out to me and I took notes on as I sped through the game in no particular order within category



Cass/Monstr—a lot of asking questions of others or posting that they are catching up. A bit of back and forth with Leelou. Sees connections between Leelou and Tina. I didn’t note a specific thread, but I felt like I saw some WIFOM at a few points. There’s been a bit of Cass vs. Aj as well. I have a weird feeling about them at this point. Will need to ISO but leaning mafia


Pizza—he has been bugging me this whole game. A lot of “well, if I was the mafia, this is how I’d be playing, but I’m obviously not the mafia because I’m not doing that”—that sort of process just always come across as scummy to me. He also comes across as one of those people that just pulls elaborate schemes, and this claim of his seems like one of those to me. What would you do if you were the mafia? Claim something so powerful that everyone else would be afraid to lynch you! He’s been doing a lot of drawing connections and looking at people and all of that good stuff, but I just feel really really really weird about him and I cannot put my finger on why. Have almost as strong of a gut feeling about him as I do about Aj, which is strange as they’ve been at each other a bit (a cover? separate mafia teams?). If I had actually been caught up when I voted in the gladiator, I would have voted differently. Pizza was bugging me more and more, and I’m not sure I buy his claim, and Verbal was seeming more and more town to me there at the end Unfortunately, I wasn’t there, and we move forward from here.


Alot—barely posted for a while. When he did post, they felt really strange to me; 1756 (for a reason I can’t quite put my finger on) and 2355 (because it seemed very lazy and like he doesn’t care about where his vote goes now when earlier he said he wanted his vote to make a difference) pinged me. The quick-change vote from Thane to Verbal in 2079/2080 with no explanation was also suspicious. We haven’t seen much from him but I haven’t liked what we’ve seen


Aj—has asked a lot of questions, expanding and clarifying, led the attack on Yates (738,741 and 742 are the posts mentioned in my notes—not looking back at them specifically at the moment). Said that Talya, Eldricks Alot’s posts had “good content” (I do’nd think A lot had posted much at that point) and didn’t like Krak. Giving thoughts thorughout, didn’t like the Leelou lynch. Says it was waste to look at either Verbal or Pizza as if either of them were scum, and then looked at the vote train on Verbal. A lot of various people haven’t liked Aj throughout time, and there have been a lot of posts I haven’t liked either—will ISO for specifics later—didn’t note them all but I remember noticing. This combined with the very strong gut feeling I have makes me feel he is scum.


Alannalynn—has been commenting on things here and there throughout the thread, occasionally springing in her own thoughts. Doesn’t like Hallia, and doesn’t like Sooh’s vote of dice. Voted Verbal. Would like a little more thoughts throughout the thread, not just random thoughts on things here and there. Something about this posting style from her seems scummy to me (though I think I’ve only ever played a half of a mafia game with her before…). Idk something feels weird. Will ISO, slight scum read


Hallia—has done a lot of popping in, giving a couple of thoughts, for a while was more recapping than anything else, and a few posts (like 2390) have felt forced. Guilty until proven innocent; she’s not necessarily scum, but I see very little reason to believe she’s town either


dice-early on he didn’t like Tina, later he votes soon for seeming inconsistent, he believed both in the gladiator were town but decided that pizza would be more valuable. Sooh doesn’t like him and I haven’t really noted much else—will have to ISO for more valid reasons; he was bacon red earlier based more off of gut feeling than anything else (btw, the green, dark red and light red are making me crave a BLT)


Thane—Yates pulled the little thing with a fake read and saw either him or Hallia as scum, in Pizza’s version, Thane is one of the towns. I find it interesting that he was included in both of these, though I don’t know what this indicates yet. A lot of people seem to think he is pretty good with town. I didn’t like the self vote. He’s been against pizza for a while, and didn’t seem entirely sold on his claim. Going to need to do an ISO on him as well; I sort of see him as scum at this point but it’s more gut than anything valid.


Krak—I liked him early on, has given reads sporadically though out, saw Sili as town early on. Other people have had various opinions on him, but don’t see any of those noted in my notes and don’t recall any of them specifically. Pegged him as town more based off of gut things than anything else. Need to ISO


Taborline—seems uncomfortable; don’t know if that’s the size of the game in general or if she has a role that she’s uncomfortable with. Has been giving more input lately, but has still been sporadic. Need to hear more from her—care to give us a reads list hun? Don’t let being afraid of making mistakes keep you from playing; it’s far more fun and far less suspicious to try :)


Yates.2—came back in cranky which I don’t think did town much good, was making a point out of how his opinions hadn’t changed, really pushed verbal right after sili died, claimed a peek at someone (which a few people jumped at—said either Hallia or Thane was guilty) and then said he’d been lying. Seems to live Verb more than he had before on page 110, pulled another little scheme in which he said pizza had claimed VT, says Aj is scum, and then did the whole meta on the mod that was targeted on me and others.

One of those people who pulls all of these wild things and a lot of people have trouble reading. I’m leaning towards town at this moment; while he doesn’t appear to be actually trying to help town or fish out mafia (which what I was basing my prior opinion off of), he has a nonchalance that seems town to me atm.


Talya—good about looking at specific people one at a time and giving reads on them in a manner that’s sort of popping in every now and then. There’s been a couple of times she’s kind of seems strange to me, but she also seems to be genuinely trying to look at people and draw connections; making a note here of in 2370 when she’s looking closer at Aj she links Aj and Sooh for both saying Pizza is being self-centered—that one was reaching slightly. Will put her as town now, may ISO later.


Sooh—I’m actually feeling very towny about her. I don’t think she’s been right all of the time, but I do feel like she is trying to read correctly, and is not entirely making the game her own yet, and that uncertainty seems scummy to some people. I think the stuff at EoD yesterday was just chance; many people point out incorrect vote counts and I feel like that happenstance was jumped on—I want to say it was by seph…


Eldrick—did a lot of popping in with random thoughts for a while when he more commented on other people’s thoughts than giving his own. Has been noticing some inconsistencies and defending himself pretty well, and also coming up with many theories about what could be happening. Other people’s opinions on him over time have been all over the place. He seems town to me


Leelou—claimed double vote—people have been linking Leelou a lot in this game, particularly in regards to Verbal and Tina. Tina has outright said that she’s defending Leelou. Verbal and Leelou were together a lot at first, and Leelou got annoyed at that (that section read to me as annoyed Leelou, not mafia Leelou. Could be both, but I didn’t see it that). Been breaking apart a lot of arguments and looking at them closely, and wasn’t totally sold on Pizza. Seems pretty town to me


seph—being mentored by Kaylee, has done a lot of different casing of people and given a lot of different reasons that I’ve taken note of throughout the time. Has given a lot of his opinions. appears to believe Pizza. Have a slight town read on him right now.


Firebird—claim Mason with Zander—out of curiosity because I don’t remember noticing it, but did Zander ever confirm Firebird as his partner?—Is fairly cleared at this point (would be a really lucky claim otherwise) and has been playing very much like himself throughout time. A lot of looking at people’s posts, being… Well Firebird, and sometimes filling up space just to fill up space and try to have good credit with everyone else.


TinaHel—has been giving a lot of opinions and stuff right from the beginning. Didn’t like Zander’s easy target defense, looking at connections between people and also breaking apart posts by others. as admitted to protecting Leelou as she sees her as solid town, did just pile on Verbal at the end but admitted to being tired. I see her as town right now; her play has been good



Further question:


What is a Chinese fire drill in regards to mafia?




Also, I plan to closely look at anyone I have a town read on. People are guilty until proven innocent in this game >.>

 

 

Says a bit about paranoia, and gives some more views on what she thinks on peoples posts

 

 

Aiel Heart, on 18 May 2015 - 04:20 AM, said:

Response to Aj in 2476:

Quote

Forced post here imo. You were probably better off just not voting in this situation than trying to poorly justify why you were going to. You basically outed yourself by doing this.

Also could you explain why you have Krak in green here, but in the next post where you make an updated list with no posts from him in between, he has shifted back to null?

I admitted it before and I’ll admit it again: it was a rash mistake and I should have not voted. I will freely admit that. Please base reads based on actions from here on out.

Also, I stated in Krak’s little anecdote that before I had based more off of gut reads than anything else, and when I looked back at my notes on him, I don’t have enough there to justify a town read, thus he is back to null.


and then later on:

Quote

For some reason this post lost all the colors, but whatever. I can't decide whether the last line there is something you said because it's genuine paranoia or because at this point you want to remove fluid enough to jump onto any wagon after you very purposely 'look more closely' on said hypothetical lead wagon.

A CFD refers to a group of players all moving their vote together onto a new target, changing the lead wagon or starting up a new one. It can be pretty fun but creates a rather stressful/confusing/crazy EOD in hybrid games like this.

After reading this post over again, you used the word 'gut' to justify your reads exactly 9 times on about as many players. For someone who just subbed in and has read over the thread with fresh eyes I would think you'd be better able to explain your reads.

I also think your read on Tayla implicates you if she's a wolf. The little bit about 'may need to ISO her later' even though you have her in your town reads is a give away imo.

It’s a paranoia thing. I trust no one to be town. If I think someone is townie I consider that they might be tricking me into it somehow and I need to look at them closer. Especially if it’s Mynd. But he’s not in this game.

Someone who just subbed into the game and had to catch up on ~50 pages immediately does not have “fresh eyes” by the time they catch up. I read all of that in such a blur that particular moments stick out, but most of it is feelings based off of the vague memories I have. You guys are lucky. You’ve been following the game all along, have had more breaks along the way to think on it and comprehend it, and have had time to go back and do rereads if you so choose.
Right now, I have a vague picture and I will fill you guys in with the details as I find them; I do plan to go back and ISO all of my nulls and towns. I will also share why my views of Verbal and Pizza changed



Moving on I find it interesting that so many people are seeming to take Pizza’s claim at face value now. It just feels like “off the wall scheme to stay alive” to me.

2477 is interesting to me. Andrej probably could figure out the game mechanics and the connection to Talya could be a good one, but it also kind of reads as if he knows too much and is trying to pin this knowledge on somebody on the other team

@ Alanna in post 2481—something about this post overall bugs me and I can’t quite put my finger on why. A lot of it is going along with what other people have said. You make a comment with content that I had already responded to, which you apparently didn’t read, and then you accuse Eldrick of skimming right after.

I agree with a lot of what Talya says in 2499…

I’m having less confidence in Sooh because she is seeming to have less confidence in herself.

Alot saying he’d have himself as scum…

Thane in 2525 feels kind of forced to me…

2533 Firebird is pulling one of those things where he goes “look at how I’m being consistent”—can do as town too but it always feels like it’s trying to hard for me

Again I like Talya’s post on Sooh at 2534, though I did not see the same things the first time though—will be interesting to compare when I do my own ISO—will also be interesting to compare that to the content in the dice/Sooh interaction on page 129
GRR TALYA stop making me like your posts!



I was planning on doing ISOs tonight, but right now my head is absolutely pounding and I'm not going to be able to think critically. Going to wait and vote once I do those.

 

 

Her latest list she gave where she puts WK as X2 voter

 

 

Aiel Heart, on 20 May 2015 - 4:22 PM, said:

Blue--confirmed dead town

Green--town claim

Purple--Confirmed dead Mafia (#1?)

Black--nothing yet



1. Hally—claimed town bodyguard—N1 AJ N2 Pizza

2. Sooh

3. Alot Eternal Phoenix 2.0

4. Alanna Aiel Heart

5. Dice

 6. John Snow Yates.2 - Pallando, Vanilla town has been killed by spiders.
 
7. Thane--Town according to Pizza

 8. Verbal- Beorn - town 2x gladiator has been bested in the are na

9. Talya

    10. Eldrick - Tar Atanamir, Town Vanilla—Killed Night 2

11. Leelou—Claims 2x voting ability

12. Sili - Beren Erchamion, town vanilla--modkilled for editing

13. Krak—town according to Pizza

14. Taborline White Knight—claimed 2x voting ability

15. Andrej

16. Alannalynn

17. Tress - Tulkas, Town Vanilla has been found dead.

18. Zander - Elu Thingol, Town Mason has been eviscerated by spiders.

19. seph

20. Eternal Phoenix - Finwe, Town Mason—Killed Night 2

21. TinaHel - Tom Bombadil, Fatherless Mafia Nexus

22. Yates.1 - Faramir, Town Forensic Investigator

23. Cass/Monstr - Batassery

24. Pizzaguy—Claims Celebrimbor, maker of rings of power—can do Scanning, protect or role block (all x2)—used x2 scan on Thane and Krak night one and got both as town—Missed if he said what he did night 2

 

 

And now for the response from AH

 

 

Aiel Heart, on 20 May 2015 - 5:26 PM, said:


White Knight, on 19 May 2015 - 12:08 PM, said:

So there's no one willing to help out with a game summary. That's interesting. I don't like Andrej's response to my arrival at all - a Villager would have been eager to help me adjust to the game, not immediately swing at low-hanging fruit who is only being voted near as I can tell for not being here. Why vote me as soon as I sub in and show up? That's a wolf greet. But yeah, I could see where a wolf might be as eager to seem helpful as a Villager. It's somewhat surprising no one offered to help.


Without seeing more from Aiel in the interim, and with no other votes currently on Andrej, I'll hang with Pizza on [v]Eternal Phoenix2[/v].


What's the case on Tina, please.

Did I just read too much into that? I took it as a claim considering Leelou's place in this game which I'm sure WK is aware of at this point.


Page 146 post 2918

 

 

From a quick look, I'm not sure if AH made a slip, made a mistake that was genuine. But what I do think is that all the choices today were wolfie of one team or other, so if you thought you might lose a team member who might worth a lot more, you push one under who:

 

1. Hasn't been posting much and has been struggling to keep up with the game

2. Probably offered herself up for just that, to try and make her team seem more villagery.

 

At present I'm not sure how WK fits into this, the vote thing is not the same, so she didn't guess his role, but it was close. If there hadn't been a double voter already in the game, I would say wolfie slip, as there has been I'm inclined to think a mistake. So whether or not she made it on purpose or not, she is more than likley a wolfie and I would say that by the way people are gunning her, not a powerful one.

[Talya]

I'm starting to get a bit paranoid myself. I want to avoid the tinfoil hat but from where I'm perched, Pizza, the weight you are throwing to get EP lynched looks somewhat like defense of AH or Sooh to me. Makes me nervous as I think toDay's lynch is pretty pivotal. We don't need to just lynch a wolf but the right wolf and I am wavering on my EP read. I'll go as far to say that if he flips villager here I am going to seriously reconsider my view on the game as your claim hasn't / can't be cooberated yet.

 

On a different note - why was Yates murdered last Night? I figured Hallia dies there every time.

 

He actually makes sense in his push for EP. Look at what has happened. Quite a lot of people have pushed EP, (especially after his episode yesterday), or they have thought him wolf and yet as soon as Pizza says that he blocked EP and Hallia last night, there is a good chance that one of those put a kill in. The way that everyone suddenly seems to avoid putting their vote on him and is coming up with others they have had their eye on. A few of them are running scared. He didn't vote tina yesterday despite her being on his list, why, not because he was on the same team, because she wasn't and he might have thought it would look bad on him if she turned up village. I did note that after I put my vote on EP making it 3 you swapped yours to AH, to jump on "tinhat" thingy people keep talking about. She was an easy target at that point.

 

Not sure what you meant on the last line. Hallia would only die if the person she targeted was killed. As for Yates dying, killing the two Pizza has viewed would confirm him as town. Anyone else has had enough suspicion on them to allow them to be lynched at some point. He also didn't do much as 2.0 he was active on the first part but went more inactive. Perfect for a night kill, not much suspicion on him and little to look back on.

 

As for no one else dying, I'm guessing, that the killer was blocked or the target was protected or they failed to get he kill in on time(I seriously doubt that).

[Hallia]

Is thought pizza rescinded that and said he used protection last night?

 

(Ayooooo)