A Tale of Middle Earth: Game OVER

[Askthepizzaguy]

Due to the whole multiball thing I don't think wolves voting for Tallia means she's villager, and that claim is unlikely to be true. But at the same time, I feel like EP is really an outed total wolf and that's got more of my attention.

 

Still, if Tallia gets lynched, that's probably also a wolf. It's also harder to read than EP and less obvious, which means it's probably better to do it while there is more of village's brainpower still in the game.

 

Once we die off, it will be tougher to make the difficult reads.

[Leelou]

Aj if you think the wagon is scummy doesn't that mean you think she is telling the truth on the bodyguard role? The role is the only thing holding me back currently, I am not sure if I believe it.

 

Also question on a role. Leelou X2 vote is always a town role?

 

 

I felt like ep was frustrated townie as well there. He could just be playing the sympothy card. I personally have never had this used against me by a wolf, but have heard about it, or seen people accuse townies of using it.

 

Leelou why do you say tina? She is one I want to look over, I remember finding her explaining the vote suspicious because she said

" I probably did this"

As if she wasn't sure in herself.

 

 

On tab she posts, just nothing with content that I can remember.

 

EoD yesterday before Verb had to initiate the gladiator challenge. That's why. 

[Hallia]

H-allia XD

[Hallia]

I kind of agree with Leelou there, Tina was pushing Verb awfully hard.

[Talya]

That was mostly Yates 1.0 and you know it. We want to hear from 2.0 as it is a separate entity.

 

Talya - I never said I was BP? Not sure why you'd throw that in there.

 

If you had bothered reading you would have seen it was a mistake.

[Hallia]

OR WAS IT

[Talya]

Yeah, because I would make something like that up thinking that people would miss reading it and agree...Reading on a phone, but you know what that's like you have told us a few times.

 

What is your charater just as a side?

[Hallia]

Yavanna

[Hallia]

I do know what it's like, you're ok there

 

#mobileproblems

[Darthe]

Official Vote Count Four:

 

Hallia (2/9): Yates, TinaHel

Laine (1/9): Leelou

Dicetosser1 (1/9): Sooh

Sooh (2/9): Dicetosser1, Hallia

Taborline (3/9): AndreJ, Thane, Eternal Phoenix

Eternal Phoenix (1/9): Pizza

 

Not Voting (7/17):

Aiel Heart, Krak, Taborline, Alannalynn, Seph, Cass, Talya

 

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.  Deadline is at 12:15 PM on May 19th, 2015.

[Gabriel Kross]

 

Where has Taborline been all game?

How about Yates?

Are you concerned about my lack of posting and possible lurking?

 

*Yates points to post count*

 

It was specifically directed at your activity for yesterday

 

Agreed. You're not cleared-cleared, I was saying that to twist the screws a bit on Alot/EP, but at the same time I believe your wolf prob dropped significantly.

how so? I dropped AJ from my list of potential mafia when I realised he wasn't who I thought he was. your comments make less and less sense to me.

 

Also highly disappointed that I'm still in this game.

 

Someone said they disliked my vote on Hallia? Do you even know why I was voting Hallia?

[Hallia]

Wait - how was it specifically directed at yesterday when you just said all game the line above it?

[Gabriel Kross]

Wait - how was it specifically directed at yesterday when you just said all game the line above it?

because the line above it was directed at someone else?

[Gabriel Kross]

Yates specifically cut out half of the line that was directed at him

[Hallia]

Where has Krak been since Pizza's "so-called clear"

Where has Taborline been all game?

How about Yates? he posted all of what maybe 2 posts today one to vote Hallia one to point out that it showed him and I think Talya as voting and not voting in a previous vote count?

Ohhhh he did that sneak! That changes the context.

[Niniel]

Yeah - my WIM is busted.  I think someone said it best that when a player replaces into game they bring their old prejudices back with them, and this is I feel the case.  I am our town bodyguard.  I guarded AJ N1 and Pizza last night.  Trying to go through and get an updated read list.

 

*sigh*

 

If this is true then my bad confidence get even lower.

 

[unvote]

 

Look. I'm TRYING to help town the best way I can, which is by pointing out people I find scummy. I'm aware that a bunch of my reads haven't changed, but that's because I still see people the same way. I'll try to do a better job of explaining myself, but I can't promise grand multiquote posts and stuff, because I have simply too much to do IRL at the moment. 

 

I'm not convinced Hallia is scum, but I'm willing to be talked into it. Same with Heart or Taborline. Tina I'm happy with as Town. 

 

As others has pointed out, this was a weird thing to say after Hallia had claimed. 

 

At this point the wolves might be glad to get rid of other wolves. Since there were a lot of people reading Andrej as scum, why wasn't he murdered?

 

There's basically no interest in lynching him either. Where did that go?

 

If the wolf teams believed he might be a wolf on the opposing team, they could get villagery credits for lynching Andrej while removing a rival.

 

Why would a wolf team not vote for someone who looks wolfy to people? Especially since wolves will have a much easier time solving for other wolves than basic villagers should.

 

I get why you don't murder Andrej, kinda. He could be lynchable.

 

But then not lynching him? Just feels strange to me.

 

I think the wolves would be pushing their top suspects for opposing wolves today. Andrej isn't even on the radar.

 

 

 

 

I don´t get your logic. So if people doesn´t get a lot of votes they are town? 

 

I'd like to see some of Hallia's teammates bussing her, too. Let's go, come on now, let's not keep me waiting.

 

I demand entertainment. I am a pizzaguy looking at a long list of dead villagers, and a lot of wolves ignoring villagers right now.

 

Let the bloodbath begin.

 

I thought you called her town just a few posts before. I have a hard time following your thoughts. 

 

and for those that didn't get the hint I'm Ecthelion I vanilla town who couldn't care less what happens anymore. There was a reason I quit in the first place and it seems some things never change around here.

 

No, don´t do that. 

 

People that were on the wagon that look worst are EP and Tina right now. I have a growing sense of dread that Tina is a wolf and is starting to play from the shadows, which is something I have seen her do before as scum in late game.

 

This is all pending Yates and his feedback, but unless he has something solid I don't think I'll be lynching Hallia today.

 

This is something that I have to say in every other game: sometimes I´m not posting much. That has different reasons. One is my daughter and one is how I feel. When I get stressed I loose my memory. It takes me a lot of time just to read back and remember who said what. In many games (this included) I have to start with reading my own posts, just to remember what I thought about people the day before. Because I don´t remember. In a big game it´s even harder. It doesn´t mean I´m mafia and it doesn´t mean I´m town either. 

 

 

Aj if you think the wagon is scummy doesn't that mean you think she is telling the truth on the bodyguard role? The role is the only thing holding me back currently, I am not sure if I believe it.

 

Also question on a role. Leelou X2 vote is always a town role?

 

 

I felt like ep was frustrated townie as well there. He could just be playing the sympothy card. I personally have never had this used against me by a wolf, but have heard about it, or seen people accuse townies of using it.

 

Leelou why do you say tina? She is one I want to look over, I remember finding her explaining the vote suspicious because she said

" I probably did this"

As if she wasn't sure in herself.

 

 

On tab she posts, just nothing with content that I can remember.

 

See the answer before. 

 

 

Aj if you think the wagon is scummy doesn't that mean you think she is telling the truth on the bodyguard role? The role is the only thing holding me back currently, I am not sure if I believe it.

 

Also question on a role. Leelou X2 vote is always a town role?

 

 

I felt like ep was frustrated townie as well there. He could just be playing the sympothy card. I personally have never had this used against me by a wolf, but have heard about it, or seen people accuse townies of using it.

 

Leelou why do you say tina? She is one I want to look over, I remember finding her explaining the vote suspicious because she said

" I probably did this"

As if she wasn't sure in herself.

 

 

On tab she posts, just nothing with content that I can remember.

 

EoD yesterday before Verb had to initiate the gladiator challenge. That's why. 

 

 

I didn´t believe his claim and wanted to prove himself. Now he did, but I still thought he was mafia. I was suspicious of Pizza too, before his claim. 

[Gabriel Kross]

Where has Krak been since Pizza's "so-called clear"

Where has Taborline been all game?

How about Yates? he posted all of what maybe 2 posts today one to vote Hallia one to point out that it showed him and I think Talya as voting and not voting in a previous vote count?

see how context changes changes when my words aren't modified?

[Hallia]

I ninjad XD

[Niniel]

I think I will iso Alot now. 

[Gabriel Kross]

 

Yeah - my WIM is busted.  I think someone said it best that when a player replaces into game they bring their old prejudices back with them, and this is I feel the case.  I am our town bodyguard.  I guarded AJ N1 and Pizza last night.  Trying to go through and get an updated read list.

 

*sigh*

 

If this is true then my bad confidence get even lower.

 

[unvote]

 

Look. I'm TRYING to help town the best way I can, which is by pointing out people I find scummy. I'm aware that a bunch of my reads haven't changed, but that's because I still see people the same way. I'll try to do a better job of explaining myself, but I can't promise grand multiquote posts and stuff, because I have simply too much to do IRL at the moment. 

 

I'm not convinced Hallia is scum, but I'm willing to be talked into it. Same with Heart or Taborline. Tina I'm happy with as Town. 

 

As others has pointed out, this was a weird thing to say after Hallia had claimed. 

 

At this point the wolves might be glad to get rid of other wolves. Since there were a lot of people reading Andrej as scum, why wasn't he murdered?

 

There's basically no interest in lynching him either. Where did that go?

 

If the wolf teams believed he might be a wolf on the opposing team, they could get villagery credits for lynching Andrej while removing a rival.

 

Why would a wolf team not vote for someone who looks wolfy to people? Especially since wolves will have a much easier time solving for other wolves than basic villagers should.

 

I get why you don't murder Andrej, kinda. He could be lynchable.

 

But then not lynching him? Just feels strange to me.

 

I think the wolves would be pushing their top suspects for opposing wolves today. Andrej isn't even on the radar.

 

 

 

 

I don´t get your logic. So if people doesn´t get a lot of votes they are town? 

 

I'd like to see some of Hallia's teammates bussing her, too. Let's go, come on now, let's not keep me waiting.

 

I demand entertainment. I am a pizzaguy looking at a long list of dead villagers, and a lot of wolves ignoring villagers right now.

 

Let the bloodbath begin.

 

I thought you called her town just a few posts before. I have a hard time following your thoughts. 

 

and for those that didn't get the hint I'm Ecthelion I vanilla town who couldn't care less what happens anymore. There was a reason I quit in the first place and it seems some things never change around here.

 

No, don´t do that. 

 

People that were on the wagon that look worst are EP and Tina right now. I have a growing sense of dread that Tina is a wolf and is starting to play from the shadows, which is something I have seen her do before as scum in late game.

 

This is all pending Yates and his feedback, but unless he has something solid I don't think I'll be lynching Hallia today.

 

This is something that I have to say in every other game: sometimes I´m not posting much. That has different reasons. One is my daughter and one is how I feel. When I get stressed I loose my memory. It takes me a lot of time just to read back and remember who said what. In many games (this included) I have to start with reading my own posts, just to remember what I thought about people the day before. Because I don´t remember. In a big game it´s even harder. It doesn´t mean I´m mafia and it doesn´t mean I´m town either. 

 

 

Aj if you think the wagon is scummy doesn't that mean you think she is telling the truth on the bodyguard role? The role is the only thing holding me back currently, I am not sure if I believe it.

 

Also question on a role. Leelou X2 vote is always a town role?

 

 

I felt like ep was frustrated townie as well there. He could just be playing the sympothy card. I personally have never had this used against me by a wolf, but have heard about it, or seen people accuse townies of using it.

 

Leelou why do you say tina? She is one I want to look over, I remember finding her explaining the vote suspicious because she said

" I probably did this"

As if she wasn't sure in herself.

 

 

On tab she posts, just nothing with content that I can remember.

 

See the answer before. 

 

 

Aj if you think the wagon is scummy doesn't that mean you think she is telling the truth on the bodyguard role? The role is the only thing holding me back currently, I am not sure if I believe it.

 

Also question on a role. Leelou X2 vote is always a town role?

 

 

I felt like ep was frustrated townie as well there. He could just be playing the sympothy card. I personally have never had this used against me by a wolf, but have heard about it, or seen people accuse townies of using it.

 

Leelou why do you say tina? She is one I want to look over, I remember finding her explaining the vote suspicious because she said

" I probably did this"

As if she wasn't sure in herself.

 

 

On tab she posts, just nothing with content that I can remember.

 

EoD yesterday before Verb had to initiate the gladiator challenge. That's why. 

 

 

I didn´t believe his claim and wanted to prove himself. Now he did, but I still thought he was mafia. I was suspicious of Pizza too, before his claim. 

 

pizza stopped using logic when he started pushing the dumbest case on me, though it doesn't mastter because you are mafia.

[Gabriel Kross]

I think I will iso Alot now. 

I already did go back about 7-8 pages and I quoted almost all of his content posts.

[Andrej]

Taborline is a female?

 

Not game relevant but I do strongly prefer to address and refer to people with the proper pronouns.

 

She is as far as I know.

 

Aj if you think the wagon is scummy doesn't that mean you think she is telling the truth on the bodyguard role? The role is the only thing holding me back currently, I am not sure if I believe it.

 

Not always. Wagon analysis is a little different this game because of the presence of two scum teams. Hallia's wagon feeling like it's getting pushed by wolves doesn't make her not one as well, it just means that she probably isn't a part of that team. That said, I'm willing to give the claim the benefit of the doubt for now since it's the first protective role we've had claimed outside of Pizza's abilities and her being a BG over a Doc fits a bit more with the other OP town roles we've seen.

 

Due to the whole multiball thing I don't think wolves voting for Tallia means she's villager, and that claim is unlikely to be true. But at the same time, I feel like EP is really an outed total wolf and that's got more of my attention.

 

Still, if Tallia gets lynched, that's probably also a wolf. It's also harder to read than EP and less obvious, which means it's probably better to do it while there is more of village's brainpower still in the game.

 

Once we die off, it will be tougher to make the difficult reads.

 

Why do you think that?

[Andrej]

I seriously don't know why that happens when I MQ, but it's annoying.

 

Where do all those line breaks come from?

[Gabriel Kross]

 

 

Okay here is what I found of use from Alot very good reads on both Tina and Leelou here who I also found suspect as per my list just before my death, that I'm still following through with post replacing in

 

I keep forgetting half the game everytime I get in in the morning and catch up.  I feel like I'm only scratching alot of surface here.

All the same.

[v]Leelou[/v]

This feels right.  I think Cass caught her in a slip/lie, and it's a legitimate one.

 

I kinda wanted to see what LeeLou would do, as I remembered bad feelings about her, but this was the first specific thing I read this morning that spoke to me.  Like I said, I was fine with putting my vote there for a time.  

Her reaction to being voted?  Said I'd made some okay posts but voting her for a clearly stated reason put me in the scum category.  Then she squirmed some more when other people added votes.  I find that scummy.

For now though, [unvote][v]unvote[/v] or however you do it on this forum.

 

So basically right now it is between Verbal, Leelou, and maybe Krak.

And TinaHel, I responded to the same question on like the same page or the next, not sure why you didn't see it.  I was prepared to vote at that time to see what the result would be and to get myself into the game, but I wasn't necessarily prepared to put down my lynch vote yet.  I prefer that vote to actually make a difference.  Right now I'm deciding between Verbal who everyone else seems to have a case on and Leelou who I didn't like the reaction of, and agree has given my a gut scumread from my read through.  I'm waiting to see Verbal's defense before voting? 

Agreed, seems pretty clear to me Tina is protecting Leelou.  But I'm not liking Verbal's defense either.  "Inconsistencies are normal for town".  As if that is what was being said.  Inconsistencies in reads is definitely more of a scum tell than a town tell because scum have to make reads they know are false, and have to make them to fit a situation, and forget they had opposing reads earlier with no explanation for the changeover.  Saying it's normal for town, who are supposed to be able to show the process of their reads...

 

Hallia's response to it was formulaic and...eh.

This is in response to Hallia reponse of the Yates 2.0 statement of either Hallia or someone else I forget who was the other option. Something I also pointed out that Hallia's reaction was very sketchy

 

Alot was decently inline with my final list before I was NK'd so there is that to consider.

 

here is pretty much all of alot's content posts again.

[Gabriel Kross]

 

Taborline is a female?

 

Not game relevant but I do strongly prefer to address and refer to people with the proper pronouns.

 

She is as far as I know.

 

Aj if you think the wagon is scummy doesn't that mean you think she is telling the truth on the bodyguard role? The role is the only thing holding me back currently, I am not sure if I believe it.

 

Not always. Wagon analysis is a little different this game because of the presence of two scum teams. Hallia's wagon feeling like it's getting pushed by wolves doesn't make her not one as well, it just means that she probably isn't a part of that team. That said, I'm willing to give the claim the benefit of the doubt for now since it's the first protective role we've had claimed outside of Pizza's abilities and her being a BG over a Doc fits a bit more with the other OP town roles we've seen.

 

Due to the whole multiball thing I don't think wolves voting for Tallia means she's villager, and that claim is unlikely to be true. But at the same time, I feel like EP is really an outed total wolf and that's got more of my attention.

 

Still, if Tallia gets lynched, that's probably also a wolf. It's also harder to read than EP and less obvious, which means it's probably better to do it while there is more of village's brainpower still in the game.

 

Once we die off, it will be tougher to make the difficult reads.

 

Why do you think that?

 

I wouldn't say Bodyguard is OP? as I said before pretty sure bodyguard dies if they successfully protect their target. Am I wrong?