Avatar The Last Airbender Town and SK wins!

[Thane Vakarian]

i am at work, nicely medicated and i need to return to the doc this afternoon. 2 weeks of heavy painkillers and anti-inflammatory drugs had no effect... *sigh*

[Eldrick4221]

I don't get how people are suspicious of Sooh. I haven't seen her say anything suspicious. She's steadily moved up for me and is a solid town read.

 

I also need to hear more from Zander, and why he thinks she's mafia. It's too late in the game for POE to be your only reason. That only works if cop reads have cleared other people. Noone alive has been cleared. POE needs other basis.

 

He's become my other suspect, and until convinced otherwise...

 

[unvote]

[v]Zander[/v]

[Thane Vakarian]

so, you don't think Zander claimed accidentally, but on purpose, so we leave him alone?

[Eldrick4221]

so, you don't think Zander claimed accidentally, but on purpose, so we leave him alone?

Your wording hurts my head, but I think I got the jist.

 

I've already mentioned that I didn't trust his claim. It's not unreasonable that he would fake claim VT. If he's mafia, he'd have a team and a mentor guiding him. The 'slip up' could have been the result.

[Eldrick4221]

hmm.. don't know if it's something, but people not voting John Snow D2:

 

Sooh, John Snow, Turin, Eldrick.

 

Nolder jumped on the wagon, John obviously didn't selfvote, and i doubt another wolf would have jumped on the wagon ,just in case

Fyi, I didn't vote because I was asleep. The day only lasted 3 hours. I woke up and it was night again.

[Eldrick4221]

 

Just spent a good bit going through ISOs on the dead mafia to look for connections with the living players. I obviously left myself out of these notes, but I think this is a worthwhile exercise so I'm posting my notes here for reference, and color coding their interactions based on their stated read of the living players. I've also noted where they included each other on their reads list because I find it interesting.

 

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Snow (50 posts) - interactions with the living

 

- Tells Zander he might be in the wrong business looking for a friend in mafia

- Calls out and votes Seph for vote timing on Ithi

- Nudges Zander to back up town reads on Ithi/Turin/Tress/Seph

- Nudges Thane for "useless caseless vote" on NotBob

- Discusses lynching inactives with Turin

- Calls out Zander for super early claim

- Explains joke vote on Ithi to Turin

- States willingness to switch vote from Seph to Zander

- Points out Thane, AJ and Seph votes on NotBob, seems most suspicious of Thane for disagreeing with the other two and not unvoting

- Calls out Seph for OMGUS and hammers at it for a while

- Explains to Eldrick why claiming VT is a bad idea

- Waffles on stance on Zander's early claim, needs further looking into

- Tries to explain a post of Turin's to Seph (meant as a joke?)

- Reads: Seph mafia, **Nolder** and Zander could vote, Eldrick/Sooh/Thane null, Turin town

- Argues with Zander on how his calling himself town on his reads list differs from Zander claiming VT

- Accuses Seph of following AJ's votes

- Makes Skyrim joke with Thane

- Cases Seph, realizes the case sucks, unvotes

- Comes back and says he thought it over and found more, revotes Seph

- Discusses no lynch if no majority rule with Eldrick

- Discusses information lynches with Seph, calls himself, Seph and AJ good for info

 

* Does not interact with Sooh at all (null read)

* Minimum interaction with Eldrick, only talks mafia theory or game rules (null read)

* Minimum interaction with Turin, discusses lynching inactives in theory and explains his joke vote on Ithi (town read)

* Very mild FOS on Thane for his part in NotBob train but leaves him as null on reads list (null read)

* Nudges Zander for not backing up town reads, FOS for early VT claim, waffles on taking a hard stance on the claim, defends himself to Zander for calling himself town on reads list (mafia lean)

* Takes a hard stance against Seph early and hammers him all day for timing of vote on Ithi, OMGUS, following AJ's votes (proven wrong). (mafia read)

 

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Nolder (71 posts) - interactions with the living

 

- Joke votes Zander for not using enough exclamation points in claiming town (obviously lying)

- Calls out Turin/Ithi interaction as distracting, notes Turin opposed to lynching inactives and suggests Turin is mafia with an inactive teammate, points out NotBob in particular as Turin not wanting to lynch him

- Calls out Thane for going with the flow and not appearing to scumhunt

- Says Seph looks like he's trying hard which is a null tell, likes the effort and wants to keep him around for a couple of days

- YOLO votes Turin

- Argues with Turin about whether or not he was trying to link Turin to NotBob and make them both out to be mafia

- Blames Turin for any misrepresentation/misunderstanding in his suggestion about linking NotBob and Turin

- Tries to laugh off Turin switching Nolder to the top of his scum list as obvscum

- Commends Eldrick for paying attention and being worried about the deadline

- Suggests Eldrick's vote on AJ instead of his top scum read Seph is either distancing or an honest attempt at compromising with the town, waffles on taking a stance on which it is.

- States for the record he thinks Seph is town and is confused why Eldrick has him as his strongest scum read

- Answers question from Sooh that Turin's position on not lynching inactives and then picking one inactive over the others was the basis for his vote on Turin, says Turin making Nol his top scum read after his vote is blatantly scummy

- Explains ramifications of no lynch to Seph

- Reads list: Seph town, Sooh/Eldrick town lean, Zander null, Thane and **Snow** mafia lean, Turin mafia

- Explains to seph that doc will likely self protect N1, and it's not the end of the world if the cop or doc is killed N1

- Chides Seph for talking about what happens if cop/doc is killed instead of hunting for scum

- Notes @ Thane's post that he likes to kill low content players as scum to limit information for town

- Refuses to clarify who he would prefer to lynch between Thane and Snow in response to Seph's question

- Updates reads list with explanations for reads: Seph (frustrated townie), Sooh (asking good questions), Eldrick (being attentive), Zander (nothing stood out), Thane (standoffish and going with the flow), Turin (not lynching inactives, connection to Snow, OMGUS)

- Nudges Turin again, asking if nobody else sees what he sees

- Argues with Turin about the context of his lynching inactives discussion to "prove" he wasn't misrepping Turin

- Pushes Turin as scummy for voting AJ while calling Nol his #1 suspect

- Continues to argue with Turin about whether or not he misrepresented Turin's point, refuses to go over it again

- Apologizes for misreading Turin's posts that he finds Nolder most suspicious

- Unvotes Turin and votes Thane as "next down on his list" (says he's looking for a reason to vote Snow here - previously refused to differentiate between Thane and Snow as to lynch order)

- Discusses who is around in an attempt to secure a lynch at EOD with Zander and Sooh

- Interacts with Sooh regarding divided voting, lack of strong feeling about the top lynch candidates.

- Says he does not feel very strongly about Thane as mafia

- Responds to Eldrick that he was resigned about voting Snow because he wanted to have a clearer path going forward in the game

- Explains tinfoiling to Eldrick

- Calls Seph's argument with Ithi about her claim silly, says he disagrees with Seph's point but gets what he's saying.

 

 

* Minimum interaction with Zander - joke votes, some interaction re: availability at EOD1, never comments on his early VT claim (null read)

* Minimum interaction with Sooh - answers question clarifying reason for his vote on Turin, some interaction at EOD1 regarding availability and regarding the divided voting (town lean)

* Some interaction with Thane - FoS for going with the flow and not appearing to scumhunt, explains that he likes to kill low content players as mafia to limit information, calls Thane a mafia lean but refuses to differentiate between Thane and Snow as far as who he would prefer to vote - then votes Thane over Snow while soliciting reasons to vote Snow. (mafia lean)

* Seems to buddy Eldrick a little bit, discusses why Eldrick is voting AJ instead of his top scum lean Seph but defers to take a stance on whether this is distancing or compromising to achieve a lynch. (town lean)

* Strongly calls out Seph as town, only chides him a little for speculating on what-ifs instead of hunting mafia, and calls his argument with Ithi about her claim silly. Strong contrast with how Snow handled Seph. (town read)

* Goes head to head with Turin for most of D1, calling him out for his position on lynching inactives and OMGUS, tries to link Turin to Snow. Only lets up on Turin after he starts looking suspicious to others (especially Ithi) for misinterpreting/misrepresenting his statements. (mafia read)

 

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A few things that stuck out to me - as I recall, Nol when mafia is much more likely to tunnel on a townie. Between that and the fact that he's coming across as pretty strongly town to me, I'm going to rule out Turin as their teammate.

 

Both Nolder and Snow had each other as a mafia lean on their reads list. This makes me think it's much less likely that the people they listed alongside each other (Zander and Thane) are also mafia, as most often mafia members will spread out their teammates on the reads list instead of grouping them together. Also the fact that Nolder, once he dropped his tunnel on Turin, immediately voted Thane instead of Snow - while previously he'd refused to differentiate his preference - and hedged on his willingness to vote Snow, tells me that Thane is NOT their teammate. Zander is questionable as neither of them interacted with him much, but he seems less likely to me just by virtue of Snow not being likely to put Nolder and Zander as both of his mafia leans. I'll consider him again later if need be.

 

As compared to Nolder's tunnel on Turin, Snow was hard after Seph the whole of D1, while Nol had him as a strong town read. Ithi's suggestion of a Kivam Gambit aside (because every time I've remotely suggested it, I was laughed at for the tinfoil - and I'm not sure how ballsy Snow and Seph would be to try that particular tactic with one another in Seph's second game ever), I don't know that Seph is experienced enough yet to fake this kind of interaction with a teammate. Nolder's listing Seph as strong town was probably an attempt at town cred if Seph were to be mislynched, as a contrast with Snow's handling of him.

 

Neither one of them interacted much with Sooh or Eldrick, and I think those two need further review. Snow had both of them as nulls, while Nolder listed both of them as a town lean.

 

Will ISO both of them again and look for anything telling.

This is interesting. I forgot to take a look at the mafia's reads. It's common practice for maf to read one teammate as maf, and one as town/null (one of each in a team of 4)

 

If john and Nolder followed that reasoning this game, the suspect list would be me, tress, and sooh.

 

Maybe I was wrong about Sooh after all. Although this does make me suspicious of tress, hiding the fact that this info also points to you.

 

You were null on both of their lists.

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Sooh (1): Thane

Zander (1): Eldrick

 

Not Voting (5): Zander, Sooh, Seph, Tress, Turin

 

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch

 

Deadline is May 5th @ 4pm MST

 

Countdown Timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150505T16&p0=3862&fg2=0fa595&msg=End+of+D3&csz=1

[Songstress]

 

 

Just spent a good bit going through ISOs on the dead mafia to look for connections with the living players. I obviously left myself out of these notes, but I think this is a worthwhile exercise so I'm posting my notes here for reference, and color coding their interactions based on their stated read of the living players. I've also noted where they included each other on their reads list because I find it interesting.

 

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Snow (50 posts) - interactions with the living

 

- Tells Zander he might be in the wrong business looking for a friend in mafia

- Calls out and votes Seph for vote timing on Ithi

- Nudges Zander to back up town reads on Ithi/Turin/Tress/Seph

- Nudges Thane for "useless caseless vote" on NotBob

- Discusses lynching inactives with Turin

- Calls out Zander for super early claim

- Explains joke vote on Ithi to Turin

- States willingness to switch vote from Seph to Zander

- Points out Thane, AJ and Seph votes on NotBob, seems most suspicious of Thane for disagreeing with the other two and not unvoting

- Calls out Seph for OMGUS and hammers at it for a while

- Explains to Eldrick why claiming VT is a bad idea

- Waffles on stance on Zander's early claim, needs further looking into

- Tries to explain a post of Turin's to Seph (meant as a joke?)

- Reads: Seph mafia, **Nolder** and Zander could vote, Eldrick/Sooh/Thane null, Turin town

- Argues with Zander on how his calling himself town on his reads list differs from Zander claiming VT

- Accuses Seph of following AJ's votes

- Makes Skyrim joke with Thane

- Cases Seph, realizes the case sucks, unvotes

- Comes back and says he thought it over and found more, revotes Seph

- Discusses no lynch if no majority rule with Eldrick

- Discusses information lynches with Seph, calls himself, Seph and AJ good for info

 

* Does not interact with Sooh at all (null read)

* Minimum interaction with Eldrick, only talks mafia theory or game rules (null read)

* Minimum interaction with Turin, discusses lynching inactives in theory and explains his joke vote on Ithi (town read)

* Very mild FOS on Thane for his part in NotBob train but leaves him as null on reads list (null read)

* Nudges Zander for not backing up town reads, FOS for early VT claim, waffles on taking a hard stance on the claim, defends himself to Zander for calling himself town on reads list (mafia lean)

* Takes a hard stance against Seph early and hammers him all day for timing of vote on Ithi, OMGUS, following AJ's votes (proven wrong). (mafia read)

 

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Nolder (71 posts) - interactions with the living

 

- Joke votes Zander for not using enough exclamation points in claiming town (obviously lying)

- Calls out Turin/Ithi interaction as distracting, notes Turin opposed to lynching inactives and suggests Turin is mafia with an inactive teammate, points out NotBob in particular as Turin not wanting to lynch him

- Calls out Thane for going with the flow and not appearing to scumhunt

- Says Seph looks like he's trying hard which is a null tell, likes the effort and wants to keep him around for a couple of days

- YOLO votes Turin

- Argues with Turin about whether or not he was trying to link Turin to NotBob and make them both out to be mafia

- Blames Turin for any misrepresentation/misunderstanding in his suggestion about linking NotBob and Turin

- Tries to laugh off Turin switching Nolder to the top of his scum list as obvscum

- Commends Eldrick for paying attention and being worried about the deadline

- Suggests Eldrick's vote on AJ instead of his top scum read Seph is either distancing or an honest attempt at compromising with the town, waffles on taking a stance on which it is.

- States for the record he thinks Seph is town and is confused why Eldrick has him as his strongest scum read

- Answers question from Sooh that Turin's position on not lynching inactives and then picking one inactive over the others was the basis for his vote on Turin, says Turin making Nol his top scum read after his vote is blatantly scummy

- Explains ramifications of no lynch to Seph

- Reads list: Seph town, Sooh/Eldrick town lean, Zander null, Thane and **Snow** mafia lean, Turin mafia

- Explains to seph that doc will likely self protect N1, and it's not the end of the world if the cop or doc is killed N1

- Chides Seph for talking about what happens if cop/doc is killed instead of hunting for scum

- Notes @ Thane's post that he likes to kill low content players as scum to limit information for town

- Refuses to clarify who he would prefer to lynch between Thane and Snow in response to Seph's question

- Updates reads list with explanations for reads: Seph (frustrated townie), Sooh (asking good questions), Eldrick (being attentive), Zander (nothing stood out), Thane (standoffish and going with the flow), Turin (not lynching inactives, connection to Snow, OMGUS)

- Nudges Turin again, asking if nobody else sees what he sees

- Argues with Turin about the context of his lynching inactives discussion to "prove" he wasn't misrepping Turin

- Pushes Turin as scummy for voting AJ while calling Nol his #1 suspect

- Continues to argue with Turin about whether or not he misrepresented Turin's point, refuses to go over it again

- Apologizes for misreading Turin's posts that he finds Nolder most suspicious

- Unvotes Turin and votes Thane as "next down on his list" (says he's looking for a reason to vote Snow here - previously refused to differentiate between Thane and Snow as to lynch order)

- Discusses who is around in an attempt to secure a lynch at EOD with Zander and Sooh

- Interacts with Sooh regarding divided voting, lack of strong feeling about the top lynch candidates.

- Says he does not feel very strongly about Thane as mafia

- Responds to Eldrick that he was resigned about voting Snow because he wanted to have a clearer path going forward in the game

- Explains tinfoiling to Eldrick

- Calls Seph's argument with Ithi about her claim silly, says he disagrees with Seph's point but gets what he's saying.

 

 

* Minimum interaction with Zander - joke votes, some interaction re: availability at EOD1, never comments on his early VT claim (null read)

* Minimum interaction with Sooh - answers question clarifying reason for his vote on Turin, some interaction at EOD1 regarding availability and regarding the divided voting (town lean)

* Some interaction with Thane - FoS for going with the flow and not appearing to scumhunt, explains that he likes to kill low content players as mafia to limit information, calls Thane a mafia lean but refuses to differentiate between Thane and Snow as far as who he would prefer to vote - then votes Thane over Snow while soliciting reasons to vote Snow. (mafia lean)

* Seems to buddy Eldrick a little bit, discusses why Eldrick is voting AJ instead of his top scum lean Seph but defers to take a stance on whether this is distancing or compromising to achieve a lynch. (town lean)

* Strongly calls out Seph as town, only chides him a little for speculating on what-ifs instead of hunting mafia, and calls his argument with Ithi about her claim silly. Strong contrast with how Snow handled Seph. (town read)

* Goes head to head with Turin for most of D1, calling him out for his position on lynching inactives and OMGUS, tries to link Turin to Snow. Only lets up on Turin after he starts looking suspicious to others (especially Ithi) for misinterpreting/misrepresenting his statements. (mafia read)

 

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A few things that stuck out to me - as I recall, Nol when mafia is much more likely to tunnel on a townie. Between that and the fact that he's coming across as pretty strongly town to me, I'm going to rule out Turin as their teammate.

 

Both Nolder and Snow had each other as a mafia lean on their reads list. This makes me think it's much less likely that the people they listed alongside each other (Zander and Thane) are also mafia, as most often mafia members will spread out their teammates on the reads list instead of grouping them together. Also the fact that Nolder, once he dropped his tunnel on Turin, immediately voted Thane instead of Snow - while previously he'd refused to differentiate his preference - and hedged on his willingness to vote Snow, tells me that Thane is NOT their teammate. Zander is questionable as neither of them interacted with him much, but he seems less likely to me just by virtue of Snow not being likely to put Nolder and Zander as both of his mafia leans. I'll consider him again later if need be.

 

As compared to Nolder's tunnel on Turin, Snow was hard after Seph the whole of D1, while Nol had him as a strong town read. Ithi's suggestion of a Kivam Gambit aside (because every time I've remotely suggested it, I was laughed at for the tinfoil - and I'm not sure how ballsy Snow and Seph would be to try that particular tactic with one another in Seph's second game ever), I don't know that Seph is experienced enough yet to fake this kind of interaction with a teammate. Nolder's listing Seph as strong town was probably an attempt at town cred if Seph were to be mislynched, as a contrast with Snow's handling of him.

 

Neither one of them interacted much with Sooh or Eldrick, and I think those two need further review. Snow had both of them as nulls, while Nolder listed both of them as a town lean.

 

Will ISO both of them again and look for anything telling.

This is interesting. I forgot to take a look at the mafia's reads. It's common practice for maf to read one teammate as maf, and one as town/null (one of each in a team of 4)

 

If john and Nolder followed that reasoning this game, the suspect list would be me, tress, and sooh.

 

Maybe I was wrong about Sooh after all. Although this does make me suspicious of tress, hiding the fact that this info also points to you.

 

You were null on both of their lists.

Yes, I was.

 

You really think I was hiding that? Not that it's a completely useless exercise for me to review the posts of dead mafia to see if i am their own teammate when I already know I'm town?

 

I'm willing to bet i did almost the exact same thing as Zander and Cory did to reach the same POE. Why don't we ask Zander why he and Cory eliminated me from it? Maybe it's the fact that my tinfoil hat theory during N1 called out both of "my teammates" and they thought it would have been ridiculous.

 

Nonetheless, if everyone else wants to lynch me today, we can still win handily. And I'm pretty sure the vig shoots you tonight.

[Turin Turambar]

[V] Sooh [/v]

 

She seems to have given up. No posts at all today I think. Silencing is advanced to.me anyway So would not apply.

 

I'm driving long distance next 3 days at least so will be less able to post. I can read if you stop quoting tress' huge post.

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Sooh (2): Thane, Turin

Zander (1): Eldrick

 

Not Voting (4): Zander, Sooh, Seph, Tress

 

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch

 

Deadline is May 5th @ 4pm MST

 

Countdown Timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150505T16&p0=3862&fg2=0fa595&msg=End+of+D3&csz=1

 

SOOH IS AT L-2.

[Songstress]

[V] Sooh [/v]

 

She seems to have given up. No posts at all today I think. Silencing is advanced to.me anyway So would not apply.

 

I'm driving long distance next 3 days at least so will be less able to post. I can read if you stop quoting tress' huge post.

 

Sorry, was posting from my phone right after I woke up, too hard to trim quotes without losing everything and wanting to throw the phone across the room.

[Songstress]

ISO done on Sooh and Eldrick, specifically noting their interactions with and mentions of the known mafia.

 

 

Sooh (54 posts) 

- Quotes Snow's reads list solely to defend that she has made her thoughts on the current trains fairly obvious

- Addresses Snow and Nolder in the same post to indicate that she can't read Snow and ask him why he gave Zander a newbie pass for the VT claim but not to Seph for the OMGUS... and to ask Nolder to clarify the basis for his vote on Turin  ** This reads as incredibly artificial, as though on page 34 she realized she had not interacted with either of her teammates yet

- Asks Nolder to elaborate on what he meant regarding Thane sounding standoffish and going with the flow

- Tells Nolder she is willing to hear cases to make her reconsider voting on someone other than Ithi or Eldrick, but hasn't been convinced.  

- States she is not comfortable with lynching either Snow or AJ

- Goes back to review Snow's posts and states she thinks he split his teammates into the green and orange groups on his reads list to hide them where he has the most players listed (alas, the groups that had the most were the green and the null group - specifically does not consider this group?).  States she has started to subscribe to my tinfoil hat theory and focuses on Ithi, notes a few posts of Nolder's but says the case is iffy at best and offers it to others to add to it or pick it apart.

- Lists her top 3 suspects during N2 as Ithi, Nolder, Turin

 

Eldrick (69 posts)

 

 

- Calls Snow the least suspicious of the 3 votes on Ithi early game

- Discusses Zander's VT claim with Snow (several posts in which he first says he doesn't see why it's a big deal, then says he thought about it from the perspective of mafia and realized why it is)

- Reads list: has Nolder as null, Snow as mafia lean.

- Responds to Snow's request for someone to check Seph's votes to verify if he was following AJ

- (Note this post and this post - asks and answers his own question about the rules in thread, which Nolder uses to commend Eldrick for looking townie)

- States Seph's points about Snow are ringing true despite him being Eldrick's strongest mafia read (notes potential w/w), states willingess to vote Snow if there is a train on him

- Notes Turin and Nolder's votesw on Snow which both seem "resigned" to voting a blind lynch

- Comments on short D2 ("outed scum will do that") and notes he was right about there being scum on the Ithi train (Snow)

- Notes "good job other killing role" regarding Nolder's death, assuming mafia didn't kill themselves. (LDO, man)

- Starts reread, points out interactions with Snow/Tress/Seph on the Ithi train without comment.  Points out Snow's reaction to Zander's VT claim, suggests he's trying to make his teammate look good.

- Points out Nolder's interaction with Turin regarding lynching inactives as possibly giving him an indication that Turin might be mafia, although he notes he doesn't think so.

 

Both of them have had their moments that stuck out to me - time to get ready for work but I'll mull it over some more and decide by tonight which one I'm more uncomfortable with.

[seph]

I am getting ready to do sooh then I'll post mine. I feel like mafia is one of those 3 though

[Sooh]

No, I haven't given up. 

 

I was a bit shell shocked yesterday after the flip, but I'm reading through ISOs now to see if I can find anything I might have missed first time around. 

 

First thing I'm pretty sure of is that Tress is town, because of her brilliant tinfoil case. I can't see mafia flag two team mates like that... Just can't...

 

Thane is hard to get a grasp on this game. He too has nudged both Nolder and Snow multiple times before their flips, and seemed willing enough to vote either of them before DL D1, so I don't THINK he's mafia, but there's not much to go on.

 

 

 

 

 

I think there is a wolf in turin. Ithi. Tress. Maybe 2. Guarantee 1

Ooh, Seph just called Tress mafia.
 
only one way you can guarantee there is a mafia in this group. For you to KNOW who the mafia are.  Only one way for you to KNOW that. That you are mafia.

 

Or you lovely. You could be Mafia too.

 

Well I know I'm not mafia. I am very confident you are not. So that leaves Tress. (see I can do PoE if it is easy)

 

This happened right before Ithi was killed. Just putting it out there. 

 

Eldrick seems to have started out the game with a view that active members are town. He now agrees that I look suspicious, but he won't vote me because he's not convinced yet.

 

Zander is impossible to read this game for me. He seems to be following and putting his vote where it's most convenient at the moment. 

@Zander: How did you end up with me and Eldrick as your suspects?

 

Seph - again very hard to read. I still can't see him as mafia. 

 

 

As of right now I find it likely that mafia is within Eldrick or Turin. 

 

 

 

 

[Sooh]

**snip**

 

by POE, Sooh is a wolf to me. She does have a good game, but... yeah... Being mentored changes her playstyle she said... though i think she has been mentored in previous games before. Doesn't add up.

 

dead ones:

 

 

5. Not Bob - Sokka, Town Cop Killed N1

9. AJ - Iroh, VT killed N1

11. Ithi - Aang, VT killed N2

 

2. Nolder - May, Mafia Goon Killed N2

10. John Snow - Azula, Mafia Goon lynched D2

 

 

[v]Sooh[/v]

Just wanted to clarify... This is my second game with a mentor, fifth (sixth?) game total. 

[Sooh]

 

 

Not leaning too far yet as it early but

 

 

Anyway.. this game seems to be flying by! Too bad a girl's gotta sleep and work before playing awesome games...

 

It's a tough read so far, though there are interesting things going on in several different groups at the moment. 

 

I think we were all a bit taken aback by Ithi's lack of interest in the beginning, but today you seem more on your game

 

Tress and AJ, are you always so fond of one another?

 

 

Not getting good vibes from this.

I could say the same...

 

This confused me at the time, but I forgot to bring it up.

 

What could you say the same to?

 

You're not getting good vibes from your own post?

or

You're not getting good vibes from him not getting good vibes from you?

or

Something else.

 

Basically bold and because he had very little content at the time... Still does..

[Sooh]

I'm still curious about the basis of Thane's vote, and Turin said he had reasons to suspect me but I don't know what they were...

[seph]

(I hope all this came out right, and no double quotes)

Turing I am working to make my posts easier to read, so your eyes do not turn into donuts.

 

So I want to start my reads post with this

 

 

I think there is a wolf in turin. Ithi. Tress. Maybe 2. Guarantee 1

Ooh, Seph just called Tress mafia.

 

only one way you can guarantee there is a mafia in this group. For you to KNOW who the mafia are.  Only one way for you to KNOW that. That you are mafia. 

 

These are from the thoughts I had in my head the other day, as you can see I was pretty darn confident... not so much right now. After re reading everyone there was a lot of things I missed, and orders of posts that I had in the wrong order. So take it as you will. 

I am not saying Tress and Turin definitely are not mafia, as I think they both could fool me. My suspicions lie elsewhere ,and I am finding them more towny. I have all my details in the spoilers

 

town

tress

thane

 

turin  slight town

 

null

sooh

 

zander/eldrick I am fine voting either one. maybe sooh, but I like her posts more than the other 2. My preference is Eld though.

 

 

 

 

Nolder posts makes me suspicious of eldrick, sooh and zander. (no particular order)

I think thane looks better than not through nolders posts
and his posts make me feel a lot better about turin

 

 

While seph is my strongest candidate, it is highly unlikely he'll be lynched today. I'm going to move my vote, so it doesn't go to waste, being i probably won't be on again before the deadline.

 

AJ is high on my suspect list, and has 2 votes. Seems like the smartest choice.

 

[unvote]

[v]AJ[/v]

Interesting choice.

Usually people will vote their highest candidate regardless of who everyone else is voting.

This could be distancing or it could be an honest attempt at compromise with the town.

Time will tell but I think it's important to note this for later.

 

Also ftr I think Seph is town so I'm confused why he's your strongest candidate. 

I'll have to go back and read your posts.

 

found this interesting.

 

 

 

 

Seph - seemed like frustrated townie

Ithi - seemed like frustrated townie

 

Sooh - asking good questions

Eldrick - being attentive

Not Bob - gut feeling mostly

AJ - asking good questions

 

Zander - nothing stood out need to reread

Tress - kind of ignored her posts because most were long lol

 

Thane - strikes me as standoffish/going with the flow 

John Snow - don't like some of the things he's said, also possible connection to Turin

 

Turin - stuff about not lynching inactives, connection to john snow, omgusing me

 

 

his reads list. also just realized this, both Nolder and snow used the omgusing as a excuse to vote. -just noting-

 

 

Like you said, Nolder; I'm willing to hear cases to make me reconsider, but I haven't been convinced either way yet. 

I think part of the problem is few of us feel very strongly about it either.

Like I was pretty sure about Turin (based on a mistake) but I do not feel very strongly that Thane is mafia, I just entertain the possibility that he is based on how I put my own list.

And I think where we do feel strongly is conflicted like I feel pretty decent about AJ for example but others do not.

 

So yeah, we're divided and it's not good.

I guess some of us could bite the bullet and just go along with someone else's idea but that opens up a can of worms if there's a mislynch because was the person who just wetn along mafia or was the person who led them to a mislynch the mafia? Maybe both? Maybe neither?

 

Hopefully tomorrow we can all take stronger positions.

 

sooh not taking a stance, seems to avoid any backlash? I believe she did not vote that day.

 

 

 

john snow- there was almost nothing here

turin posted a lot of his quotes.

He was on me from page 5 until he was lynched, not going to quote alot.

I think I feel worst about his interaction with zander. 

Feels like the posts with eldrick could go wither way. can't tell if he is linking himself to him, or if w/w.

 

 

 

Half my colors didn't work. Right colors: 

1. Zander (mentored by Cory)-Gives a VT claim for no reason then disappears. 
2. Nolder-Useless posts. Has hardly been in the game. 
3. Eldrick
4. Sooh (mentored by Clov)
5. Not Bob-some more explication on your posts would be great, but feeling town vibes
6. Thane
7. Seph (mentored by Dice)-Need I rehash my arguments again?
8. Tress
9. AJ
10. John Snow-pffft, this guy is totally town. Duh. Like the cop vetted him and everything.
11. Ithi-feeling town here
12. Turin-gut feeling again

 

 

 

 

Honestly, I was at work and skimming. I thought I read Eldrick. The fact that it was you was just ironic. 

It's a game. I make jokes. The point is to have fun. Otherwise, people get heated and personal and no one likes that. Well, except the guys over on JN. 

 

Going back to do a full rehash of my case on you now. 

 

I apologize about the following AJ thing. I wasn't sure, hence why I asked someone to check for me. 

 

I feel like he is lying here, but why insert eldricks name. The original post was by thane telling me he was not in my reads list. 

 

 

 

So IIRC, this is a regular hammer game. not a hybrid hammer. If we can't consolidate 7 votes, will it be a no lynch?

Yup. Rule #9

 

 

Oh hey didn't see that. That makes things less stressful with ~12 hrs on the clock. 

 

I feel like eldrick interaction with him was more than most. answering his own question.

 

John Snow, on 28 Apr 2015 - 3:24 PM, said:

Still like my vote, but willing to switch to Zander for that super scummy claim. (him and zander go back and forth a couple of times, but never get into one another. could be distancing)

 

 

[seph]

Tress- Ok first off my thoughts about tress from earlier were a bit off, as I thought she posted that tinfoil after snow had died. As she was one of the few who thought him town, I found that extremely suspicious. 

However my thought process was off in which the order of events happened. I feel a lot better about tress after doing a iso, I do have 1 concern though.. 

1>You had snow as your top town in your list, I understand you may think the unvote/vote was genuine at the time, but I don't feel like it warrents his scummy behavior before hand. So why did you have him at the top of the list?

 

 

I don't have any quotes as most of her posts I like, my biggest concern was she had snow town, then my misunderstanding of where her tinfoil prediction actual was as she didn't become suspicious of snow until after the claim.

 

 

 

Turin- After re reading Nolder I feel a whole lot better about you. There are some posts I have some concerns with.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I did answer that I am against it in general so I would not pick as there are not enough cleared players to.make it worth doing.
If you are going to force me to pick one I think I would pick Snow. Was Nolder in the list. I.might pick him just for the irony.

Any reasons for Snow?

his content in game looks the worst to me.

That first post was baaaaaaaaaad. And then flipping it onto Seph looked opportunistic.

I guess he just popped up again coincidentally so will see what is on his mind.

 

 This was some awesome towning, or some good cover. (applauds)

 

 

 

btw the fact that you're still voting AJ just further proves my point.
How can you say I'm your #1 suspect while you're voting someone else.
Doesn't make any sense.

Once again yiu have misrepped. Look at the original. Read the section properly.I am talking about your interaction with AJ as most troubling. It is all one paragraph. Not two.
try again...


Maybe you should be bussing AJ.

 

this is one interaction I did not like with nolder. Most of the posts between the two, show turin to be town in my thoughts. 

 

 

Town needs a lynch. Mafia will try to keep it from happening.


Currently willing to.lunch AJ. Zander, Nolder, Seph.


Come on town make this happen.

I found this suspicious because a few posts prior he said he was willing to lynch snow if needed, yet he is not on this list. 
This is why I became suspicious of you during the voting period. ( I do see you explained your reason as well)

 

 

 

 

Thane- I feel like the beginning of the game was genuine, and he just didn't have the time. He has been more present as he has promised. I have him slight town atm

 

 

[v] John Snow [/v]

 

I disagree with Tress and think he's a lynchcandidate for today. He's a wolf, in his case, a direwolf, perhaps. 

 

I don't know if i'll be back before DL, but i wanted to at least vote.

 

 

 

 

i've re-read a bit, and i think our wolves can be found in this group: AJ, John Snow, Notbob and Nolder. That's my D1 impression. willing to vote any of those. If i don't make sense, i blame my meds. This is based on a few things i pointed out in my notes and on my D1 gut. 

 

i'll be around, as good as i can be, for the next few hours.

 

2-4 not to bad

 

 

i doubt Eldrick is a wolf this game...

 

What are your thoughts on eldrick right now? Everyone else seems to find him suspicious.

 

 

Seph.... breathe in, breathe out. Now, tell me, who is wolf? i don't even want to know why. 

 

also @all: who'd you cop, if cop? again, i don't need reasons why. Just want to try and figure out how you think.

 

I have not had good experiences with players who ask this type of question.my experience is 1 game lol. so I feel this is only slight.

 

 

[seph]

[v]Eldrick[/v] I find his posts to scummy, He is linked to all the town and mafia members who have been lynched or killed.

 

 

 

 

 Ithillian, on 27 Apr 2015 - 09:43 AM, said:

**snip**

I'm also interested in how Eldrick identified a teeny tiny part of your post and also pointed out the exact timestamps that could make it seem you'd started your post before Tress posted her vote. Why on earth would he go to all that trouble to defend you, do you think? It was a very specific thing he found. There are two options ... either you're both mafia and you asked him to point that out on your QT, or he's Mafia and you're being played and he's defending you to look more Town.

Which do you think it is?

 

 

I was wondering why he would defend me when he thinks I am mafia?

 

I'm surprised there are already 3 votes on someone. They can't all be joke votes. I'm now suspicious of you three.

 

Why? Do you think it's suspicious to have a serious vote on someone right now?

 

 

Home now, and re-read the part before this question. Still don't see any serious reason for a vote. I see a reference to the signup thread, and that's not a serious reason IMO

 

 

I'm surprised there are already 3 votes on someone. They can't all be joke votes. I'm now suspicious of you three.

Which of them do you find the most suspicious? Why?

 

 

The two that jumped on the train. I'm leaning more heavily on Tress, for trying to make it sound like a serious vote.

 

Going to finish catching up on the thread now :)

 

Oh, and [unvote]. My vote was clearly not a serious one, and I don't intend to leave it there.

 

 

Leaning tress here. He states he doesn't find my vote scummy, and then a few posts later

Ok. Caught back up. The only thing that has jumped out at me was the quick train I mentioned earlier.

 

All three votes were because of Ithi's "distancing", even though it was set up in the signup that this was going to happen. John Snow is the least suspicious of the three, because he was the first to vote. Tress and seph are suspicious for jumping on for the same reason. Tress is the most suspicious for trying to defend it as a serious vote. To be fair, I don't know Ithi's meta, and therefore can't read the votes in the light of someone that does. It could have seemed like a serious vote to her, I suppose.

 

Caught up...Vote Eldrick FTW.

 

Welcome to the game. Still spiteful from the last one, eh?

 

Calls me suspicious on the exact thing thirty minutes later.

 

 

 

 

Eldrick ... Why did you find the little bit of information that could make it seem Seph posted independently of Tress and why did you feel you should use that to defend Seph?

It's what jumped out at me. If you're asking why it did, I can't answer that. I don't know why things ping, only that they do.

And I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm defending him. Just pointing out faulty logic.

 

i am not sure what to think of this. 

 

 

 

Things have got interesting over night. I'm going to

[unvote] [v]andrej [/v]

He's very very certain seph is town and from my point of view there's only two reasons why. He's either mafia running defence or he's mafia who knows seph is town. Both of those scenarios have aj as mafia so that's the logical choice.

Seph does seem rather falling apart I think.

Sooh made a lovely big case on me and then failed to vote. That's known as a nudge and it's a bad thing. She's on my list now.

I'm also now suspicious of AJ. If seph flips maf, AJ's intense defending of him is going to look really bad.

 

 

 

Seph's points about john snow are ringing true. I find that interesting, being I still suspect seph. Is this a W/W thing?

 

Also willing to move my vote over to John Snow, should I wake up and see a train there. For now, sleep.

 

feels like he posted this in case snow was voted

 

Wow that was a short day. Outed scum will do that, eh?

At least i was right about there being scum on the ithi train.

 

casting suspicion while not outing himself. He did agree with my suspicions on aj but he never moved his vote. Nor did he think Snow was scum until I made my points about him.

 

 

 

 

Hey. another maf down. Good job other killing role, whoever you are. (Assuming, of course, that mafia didn't kill themselves)

 

Time to go back and do a reread, given the available information, now that I have time to do so. Let's see if we can nab that last maf today. Hopefully the other role is a vig, and we win today :D

 

(bolded) I find that joke scummy.

 

I don't get how people are suspicious of Sooh. I haven't seen her say anything suspicious. She's steadily moved up for me and is a solid town read.

 

I also need to hear more from Zander, and why he thinks she's mafia. It's too late in the game for POE to be your only reason. That only works if cop reads have cleared other people. Noone alive has been cleared. POE needs other basis.

 

He's become my other suspect, and until convinced otherwise...

 

[unvote]

[v]Zander[/v]

rings zander for using poe and votes him for it? I do not see how using poe is scummy.  then a few posts later we get this down below.

 

 

 

 

Just spent a good bit going through ISOs on the dead mafia to look for connections with the living players. I obviously left myself out of these notes, but I think this is a worthwhile exercise so I'm posting my notes here for reference, and color coding their interactions based on their stated read of the living players. I've also noted where they included each other on their reads list because I find it interesting.

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Snow (50 posts) - interactions with the living

- Tells Zander he might be in the wrong business looking for a friend in mafia
- Calls out and votes Seph for vote timing on Ithi
- Nudges Zander to back up town reads on Ithi/Turin/Tress/Seph
- Nudges Thane for "useless caseless vote" on NotBob
- Discusses lynching inactives with Turin
- Calls out Zander for super early claim
- Explains joke vote on Ithi to Turin
- States willingness to switch vote from Seph to Zander
- Points out Thane, AJ and Seph votes on NotBob, seems most suspicious of Thane for disagreeing with the other two and not unvoting
- Calls out Seph for OMGUS and hammers at it for a while
- Explains to Eldrick why claiming VT is a bad idea
- Waffles on stance on Zander's early claim, needs further looking into
- Tries to explain a post of Turin's to Seph (meant as a joke?)
- Reads: Seph mafia, **Nolder** and Zander could vote, Eldrick/Sooh/Thane null, Turin town
- Argues with Zander on how his calling himself town on his reads list differs from Zander claiming VT
- Accuses Seph of following AJ's votes
- Makes Skyrim joke with Thane
- Cases Seph, realizes the case sucks, unvotes
- Comes back and says he thought it over and found more, revotes Seph
- Discusses no lynch if no majority rule with Eldrick
- Discusses information lynches with Seph, calls himself, Seph and AJ good for info

* Does not interact with Sooh at all (null read)
* Minimum interaction with Eldrick, only talks mafia theory or game rules (null read)
* Minimum interaction with Turin, discusses lynching inactives in theory and explains his joke vote on Ithi (town read)
* Very mild FOS on Thane for his part in NotBob train but leaves him as null on reads list (null read)
* Nudges Zander for not backing up town reads, FOS for early VT claim, waffles on taking a hard stance on the claim, defends himself to Zander for calling himself town on reads list (mafia lean)
* Takes a hard stance against Seph early and hammers him all day for timing of vote on Ithi, OMGUS, following AJ's votes (proven wrong). (mafia read)

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Nolder (71 posts) - interactions with the living

- Joke votes Zander for not using enough exclamation points in claiming town (obviously lying)
- Calls out Turin/Ithi interaction as distracting, notes Turin opposed to lynching inactives and suggests Turin is mafia with an inactive teammate, points out NotBob in particular as Turin not wanting to lynch him
- Calls out Thane for going with the flow and not appearing to scumhunt
- Says Seph looks like he's trying hard which is a null tell, likes the effort and wants to keep him around for a couple of days
- YOLO votes Turin
- Argues with Turin about whether or not he was trying to link Turin to NotBob and make them both out to be mafia
- Blames Turin for any misrepresentation/misunderstanding in his suggestion about linking NotBob and Turin
- Tries to laugh off Turin switching Nolder to the top of his scum list as obvscum
- Commends Eldrick for paying attention and being worried about the deadline
- Suggests Eldrick's vote on AJ instead of his top scum read Seph is either distancing or an honest attempt at compromising with the town, waffles on taking a stance on which it is.
- States for the record he thinks Seph is town and is confused why Eldrick has him as his strongest scum read
- Answers question from Sooh that Turin's position on not lynching inactives and then picking one inactive over the others was the basis for his vote on Turin, says Turin making Nol his top scum read after his vote is blatantly scummy
- Explains ramifications of no lynch to Seph
- Reads list: Seph town, Sooh/Eldrick town lean, Zander null, Thane and **Snow** mafia lean, Turin mafia
- Explains to seph that doc will likely self protect N1, and it's not the end of the world if the cop or doc is killed N1
- Chides Seph for talking about what happens if cop/doc is killed instead of hunting for scum
- Notes @ Thane's post that he likes to kill low content players as scum to limit information for town
- Refuses to clarify who he would prefer to lynch between Thane and Snow in response to Seph's question
- Updates reads list with explanations for reads: Seph (frustrated townie), Sooh (asking good questions), Eldrick (being attentive), Zander (nothing stood out), Thane (standoffish and going with the flow), Turin (not lynching inactives, connection to Snow, OMGUS)
- Nudges Turin again, asking if nobody else sees what he sees
- Argues with Turin about the context of his lynching inactives discussion to "prove" he wasn't misrepping Turin
- Pushes Turin as scummy for voting AJ while calling Nol his #1 suspect
- Continues to argue with Turin about whether or not he misrepresented Turin's point, refuses to go over it again
- Apologizes for misreading Turin's posts that he finds Nolder most suspicious
- Unvotes Turin and votes Thane as "next down on his list" (says he's looking for a reason to vote Snow here - previously refused to differentiate between Thane and Snow as to lynch order)
- Discusses who is around in an attempt to secure a lynch at EOD with Zander and Sooh
- Interacts with Sooh regarding divided voting, lack of strong feeling about the top lynch candidates.
- Says he does not feel very strongly about Thane as mafia
- Responds to Eldrick that he was resigned about voting Snow because he wanted to have a clearer path going forward in the game
- Explains tinfoiling to Eldrick
- Calls Seph's argument with Ithi about her claim silly, says he disagrees with Seph's point but gets what he's saying.


* Minimum interaction with Zander - joke votes, some interaction re: availability at EOD1, never comments on his early VT claim (null read)
* Minimum interaction with Sooh - answers question clarifying reason for his vote on Turin, some interaction at EOD1 regarding availability and regarding the divided voting (town lean)
* Some interaction with Thane - FoS for going with the flow and not appearing to scumhunt, explains that he likes to kill low content players as mafia to limit information, calls Thane a mafia lean but refuses to differentiate between Thane and Snow as far as who he would prefer to vote - then votes Thane over Snow while soliciting reasons to vote Snow. (mafia lean)
* Seems to buddy Eldrick a little bit, discusses why Eldrick is voting AJ instead of his top scum lean Seph but defers to take a stance on whether this is distancing or compromising to achieve a lynch. (town lean)
* Strongly calls out Seph as town, only chides him a little for speculating on what-ifs instead of hunting mafia, and calls his argument with Ithi about her claim silly. Strong contrast with how Snow handled Seph. (town read)
* Goes head to head with Turin for most of D1, calling him out for his position on lynching inactives and OMGUS, tries to link Turin to Snow. Only lets up on Turin after he starts looking suspicious to others (especially Ithi) for misinterpreting/misrepresenting his statements. (mafia read)

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A few things that stuck out to me - as I recall, Nol when mafia is much more likely to tunnel on a townie. Between that and the fact that he's coming across as pretty strongly town to me, I'm going to rule out Turin as their teammate.

Both Nolder and Snow had each other as a mafia lean on their reads list. This makes me think it's much less likely that the people they listed alongside each other (Zander and Thane) are also mafia, as most often mafia members will spread out their teammates on the reads list instead of grouping them together. Also the fact that Nolder, once he dropped his tunnel on Turin, immediately voted Thane instead of Snow - while previously he'd refused to differentiate his preference - and hedged on his willingness to vote Snow, tells me that Thane is NOT their teammate. Zander is questionable as neither of them interacted with him much, but he seems less likely to me just by virtue of Snow not being likely to put Nolder and Zander as both of his mafia leans. I'll consider him again later if need be.

As compared to Nolder's tunnel on Turin, Snow was hard after Seph the whole of D1, while Nol had him as a strong town read. Ithi's suggestion of a Kivam Gambit aside (because every time I've remotely suggested it, I was laughed at for the tinfoil - and I'm not sure how ballsy Snow and Seph would be to try that particular tactic with one another in Seph's second game ever), I don't know that Seph is experienced enough yet to fake this kind of interaction with a teammate. Nolder's listing Seph as strong town was probably an attempt at town cred if Seph were to be mislynched, as a contrast with Snow's handling of him.

Neither one of them interacted much with Sooh or Eldrick, and I think those two need further review. Snow had both of them as nulls, while Nolder listed both of them as a town lean.

Will ISO both of them again and look for anything telling.

This is interesting. I forgot to take a look at the mafia's reads. It's common practice for maf to read one teammate as maf, and one as town/null (one of each in a team of 4)

If john and Nolder followed that reasoning this game, the suspect list would be me, tress, and sooh.

Maybe I was wrong about Sooh after all. Although this does make me suspicious of tress, hiding the fact that this info also points to you.

You were null on both of their lists.

 

 

You state it is to late to use poe, then you agree with Tress post about POE here. (bolded) how do you forget about it?? This is extremely suspicious.

also once again is piggy backing on someones idea.

 

 

 

sooh

I got a good vibe from her early on, I think a lot of where the ? marks come in is when she goes after ithi.That could be said for me as well though. I think she looks more flustered than anything. However the silence does not bode well today. I would much much rather lynch Eld over her.

 

 

I doubt there's any way we're going to get a 7 person train on one person at this point in time.

I disagree with most of your suggestions as to who to go for, and I just don't see any of those trains happening in 45 mins or however much overtime Kaylee said we would get. 

 

 

As of right now, Ithi, and by extension Eldrick. Other than that I don't have anyone I would like to lynch today. None of the other cases have swayed me so far.

 

I think she got flustered with ithi, and I believe her intentions were toward the town. 

 

Like you said, Nolder; I'm willing to hear cases to make me reconsider, but I haven't been convinced either way yet. 

 

The thing that worries me is sooh didn't want to pursue this one way or the other, or even voice her opinion on aj or snow. 

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count

Ithi (2): Sooh, Zander
Seph (1): John Snow
AJ (3): Turin, Ithi, Eldrick
Thane (2): Not Bob, Nolder
John Snow (3): AJ, Seph, Thane

Not Voting (1): Tress


With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is Thursday April 30th @ 4pm.

Countdown timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150430T16&p0=3862&fg1=80c2da&fg2=99dbd4&msg=End+of+D1&csz=1

This leaves John Snow and AJ within reach of a lynch.

 

At this point I'm not comfortable with either of those options...

 

I know last game with turin and ithi she played like this, it was difficult to get her to give a opinion as she seemed to be agreeing with dice the whole game. Which is why I just don't know on sooh.

 

 

 

[seph]

zander

 

 

 

 

I found these odd while rereading, just felt like he was trying kinda hard here. This is only slight though, because I thought this last game, and he actually was town

 

Hello everyone apart from Turin. 'Cos he's decided he's not going to be my friend in this game. Who wants to be my friend instead 

if your town!!!

 

 

 

Also it's you're. If you're Town. Shortened from you are.

I don't know if we can be bestest buddies if I have to editor your posts.

im total town too. scouts honor!!!

 

 

as you said i was town both games and got lynched...im VT.

 

I honestly feel this is zander well being zander. not 100% convinced though

 

 

not getting why theres 2 votes on AJ...though the voice voice in my head told me that hes got great game as both town and mafia.  im fine with his posts.  seems town like to me as well.

 

hes been confident and seems to be shooting straight from the hip.

 

hmm is he wanting to look good on the flip here.

 

 

 

Ok I found this really suspicious. THIS SERIES OF EVENTS

I was giving zander the benefit until here, but I found this series of events that confuses me, and makes him a top suspect for me.

 

Zander unvotes snow. 

bob his previous vote asks him to vote. Zander acts like he wanted to get a lynch no matter what.

Ignores bob. asks tress her opinions on him.

snow claims cop. zander still hasn't voted as this time even though he was his MAFIA LEAN right before this.

four minutes after the claim he votes not bob again.

 

 

WE NEED A LYNCH!!!i wondering everyone thoughts on Not Bob and Snow who i have on my Maf lean.

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

 

 

 

FWIW I believe Tress is town.

 

How about a vote?

 

 

Tress how you feel about Not Bob?

 

 

just caught up.

 

Claiming Hakoda-cop.

 

Don't lynch me please?

 

 

ebwop

[v] Not Bob [/v]

 

There are some posts especially here recently that bugged me as well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

sorry for messing that up :( 
somehow i put two parts of soohs in the same post>< I hope it readable

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Sooh (2): Thane, Turin

Zander (1): Eldrick

Eldrick (1): Seph

 

Not Voting (3): Zander, Sooh, Tress

 

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch

 

Deadline is May 5th @ 4pm MST

 

Countdown Timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150505T16&p0=3862&fg2=0fa595&msg=End+of+D3&csz=1

 

SOOH IS AT L-2.

[Songstress]

@Seph - I'm at work and on my phone, so I can't go back easily to refresh my memory on that.

 

As i recall, though, I hadn't finished my ISO's on the most vocal players, and wasn't particularly confident calling any of them town firmly without rereading them. Snow i had done the ISO on, and I honestly didn't see his unvote and rethink on you as being faked. I haven't played with him in eons, though, so this move goes down in the mental meta catalogue as "things not to believe" if he tries it again.

[seph]

Ok.. I turin and a few others I think sooh you have to click the spoiler tag to see all of it.

[Sooh]

You want me to respond to what you pointed out, Seph?

 

To me at DL on D1 Snow was pretty much a blind lynch. I hadn't seen enough of him to form an opinion. That's why I didn't want to jump on his lynch. AJ read town to me throughout that whole day. 

 

As for last game and agreeing with Dice... I'm not sure what you're talking about... I was agreeing with a bunch of people there... all the wrong ones too   Not sure what you mean about pointing this out. Is it scummier if I think for myself?

 

 

 

I'm going to leave my vote now before going to sleep. 

 

[v]Eldrick[/v]