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[Eldrick4221]

Things have got interesting over night. I'm going to

 

[unvote] [v]andrej [/v]

 

He's very very certain seph is town and from my point of view there's only two reasons why. He's either mafia running defence or he's mafia who knows seph is town. Both of those scenarios have aj as mafia so that's the logical choice.

 

Seph does seem rather falling apart I think.

 

Sooh made a lovely big case on me and then failed to vote. That's known as a nudge and it's a bad thing. She's on my list now.

I'm also now suspicious of AJ. If seph flips maf, AJ's intense defending of him is going to look really bad.

[Eldrick4221]

FYI i will be away most of the day tomorrow. It's my sister's birthday, and we will be up at the lake. no clue what the service is there. Gonna spend time with family anyway.

 

I will be back to get caught up tomorrow night, and will get up before the deadline Thursday, if need be.

[Sooh]

 

 

 

I feel like Seph is one I'd like to see live beyond D1, because I find his posts as of right now more like he's trying to find his way in the game and make his play his own. He doesn't feel at all like he has an agenda like he did after he returned as mafia in his first game. 

 

I also find Tress' posts to ring town to me, because she seems genuine in her frustration. 

 

As for Turin I need some more time to read him more accurately. 

 

I think I'd like to take a look at Ithi's posts and see if there is anything there now to start with. 

 

This is not comforting.

 

Ok. Why?

 

 

Seph looks more inconsistent than the others...thoughts on Thane?

 

As of right this moment I'm putting Seph's inconsistency down to newness. I don't feel altogether bad about his trying to spark reactions on D1.

 

Thane seems a tad bit disinterested so far. I haven't played much with him, so I don't know if that is alignment indicative at all. 

 

 

Ithi, I think the whole discussion about the first 24 hours of the game may be a moot point, but I believe I mentioned before that I didn't see your normal self in those posts, like most other people also have picked up on.

 

I do find it odd that Turin would tell everyone to just disregard everything you did during that period. This is the same Turin who takes the "Ithi is always Town"-stance, so it seems odd he would say that. Here's the post for reference:

 

 

@Seph. Yesterday yes she did or she wasn't interested in the game. The post you just quoted was from her this morning (8 hours ahead Of me anyway). She is now in the game. Do you see the difference? I would recommend disregarding everything from yesterday as it was not indicative of her alignment.

 

Again you choose to trust me on this or not. But you did previously ask my opinion on the matter. Why do that if you intend to ignore said opinion?

Personally I just don't understand how Turin can dismiss it so completely as not alignment indicative unless he knew what her alignment was.

 

**snip**

 

I'm also interested in how Eldrick identified a teeny tiny part of your post and also pointed out the exact timestamps that could make it seem you'd started your post before Tress posted her vote. Why on earth would he go to all that trouble to defend you, do you think? It was a very specific thing he found. There are two options ... either you're both mafia and you asked him to point that out on your QT, or he's Mafia and you're being played and he's defending you to look more Town.

 

Which do you think it is?

Here you seem fairly sure that Eldrick is mafia, and yet you voted for seph and have kept your vote on him. It seems like you're saying regardless of Seph's alignment, Eldrick must be mafia. Why wouldn't you then vote for Eldrick if he is the one you're most sure of?

 

 

 

****snip****

 

Let's play the AJ asks other people for their opinions drinking game

 

1. @NotBob - Why Eldrick?

2. @ seph - Could you give me some examples of what you think his normal villager/wolf actions would be?

3. @John Snow how strong of an indication do you think the 'vote after someone else does first' thing is?

4. @ Seph What's your opinion on Snow voting you?

5. @Turin - Any other thoughts outside of Ithi for now?

6. @Zander What sort of goodness is Cory filling your head with? It's a bit late for joke votes at this stage. Has anything stood out to you so far?

7. Is there anyone you would purpose we start with @Turin ?

8. @Ithi - What's the beef? (although he has actually followed up on this question)

9. @ Turin could you answer this? (I think this was about which inactives Turin would Lynch)

10, @Ithi - what is your opinion of Not Bob, anyway?

11. @ Turin - Any reasons for Snow? (this is a follow up question to the who would you lynch as an inactive question)

12. @Seph, how does Zander's claim affect your read?

 

 

Now have a look at the positioning of votes in the game.

Official Vote Count

 

Ithi (1): Tress

Seph (2): John Snow, Ithi

Tress (1): Turin

Eldrick (1): Not Bob

Zander (1): Nol

Not Bob (3): AJ, Thane, Seph

 

Not Voting (3): Zander, Sooh, Eldrick

 

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Thursday April 30th @ 4pm.

 

Countdown timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150430T16&p0=3862&fg1=80c2da&fg2=99dbd4&msg=End+of+D1&csz=1

Consider how useful those question have been to the game, who they're focusing on and who they're avoiding? Also think about just how drunk you'd be if you ever played the AJ random question game. Who gets fluff and who gets questions? Who is the subject of those questions? And now see all three of them voting for Not Bob and trying to encourage others to see that as a viable train by asking what we think of Not Bob.

 

Finally go through the posts and see how often he actually seems to respond or care about getting an answer. Not many times - I counted twice of the top of my head.

 

We should be voting Seph for now, as I think AJ is providing cover and trying to push another candidate to prevent the Seph lynch. AJ is Mafia too, in my eyes ... so I wouldn't mind a counter train on AJ to see what happens there. I think Thane might be Mafia as well and I've got the heebie jeebies about Eldrick.

 

This post might go to crap when I try and actually submit it lol.

So basically you think that several mafia are running a counter train to the one on Seph? Would that be considered good play from the mafia team if so? I thought generally the scum 101 said you'd be better off splitting your votes between existing trains?

 

Anyway... that's what I got from looking more closely at Ithi's posts.

1.) I can ignore that segment because as I think I showed in my reply to tress Ithi was emotionally compromised to the point that the game was unimportant. She wasn't actually.playing the same game as the rest of us. (I include myself because I was walking the line between getting her settled and playing some). I'm town so I do not know her alignment in that I haven't seen her role PM. Her play since she actually started playing has me putting her as town however.

 

2.) Why Seph over Eldrick? I dunno. My guess tho ID that the body if Seph's posts are worse.

 

3.) Mafia will do whatever they thunk will help them win. It might be going all in on a wagon. It might be defending each other hard and town reading each other. Why? Because "mafia would never do that" actually works as a defense sometimes And sometimes it is important to try to protect a mafia buddy. For all we know Seph is the one mafia pr so they want him to live today.

 

I'm finding it unsettling that you are pushing against the people going at AJ and Seph while also defending Seph and AJ.

 

1. I can live with that.

 

2. Question for Ithi actually

 

3. Also question for Ithi.

 

I'm definitely undecided on AJ. I just wanted clarification on this one post. Like I said yesterday I wanted to look closer at Ithi, so I did. 

[Turin Turambar]

AJ, my post re Seph was a suggestion. Just trying to help.

 

You trying to give feels reasons for defending him not swaying me.

 

He was frustrated way before the posts you quoted. He was very much sounding like caught mafia that just didn't understand why they were caught. So his pushing back at his detractors is just not ringing true to Me.

 

I really can't believe you trying to Use postcount = town. He posted a bunch as both alignments in the last game. It is just his nature I think. Pushing null things as alignment indicating is a bad argument. Town!AJ rarely Makes bad arguments. You can be wrong but usually logic is sound.

[Turin Turambar]

Fair enough Sooh.

 

If you look at the examples of "stances" AJ quoted, do you see any of them that screams that he is town?

[Turin Turambar]

 

 

Things have got interesting over night. I'm going to

 

[unvote] [v]andrej [/v]

 

He's very very certain seph is town and from my point of view there's only two reasons why. He's either mafia running defence or he's mafia who knows seph is town. Both of those scenarios have aj as mafia so that's the logical choice.

 

Seph does seem rather falling apart I think.

 

Sooh made a lovely big case on me and then failed to vote. That's known as a nudge and it's a bad thing. She's on my list now.

I'm also now suspicious of AJ. If seph flips maf, AJ's intense defending of him is going to look really bad.

What if Seph flips town. Does that clear AJ to you?

[Sooh]

Things have got interesting over night. I'm going to

 

[unvote] [v]andrej [/v]

 

He's very very certain seph is town and from my point of view there's only two reasons why. He's either mafia running defence or he's mafia who knows seph is town. Both of those scenarios have aj as mafia so that's the logical choice.

 

Seph does seem rather falling apart I think.

 

Sooh made a lovely big case on me and then failed to vote. That's known as a nudge and it's a bad thing. She's on my list now.

I didn't fail to vote. I cased you on things I found strange, and I note that you haven't responded to them, but I didn't find anything that made me want to place my vote on you. Like I said when I posted yesterday, I wanted to take a closer look and I did. If me taking a look at your posts and asking you questions without voting for you is a bad thing, well then.. that's how it is I guess. 

 

 

Fair enough Sooh.

 

If you look at the examples of "stances" AJ quoted, do you see any of them that screams that he is town?

I'm going to have to look at that now, as I responded earlier while catching up.

[Turin Turambar]

Alright, sorry about the WOTs. There was a lot of stuff to touch on that I missed while at work but now I'm caught up and will be around through the evening.

 

Anyway, now for this 'trending' list I keep talking about since some of you think I am not taking enough stances. Here's basically where I see everyone.

 

Seph

Tress

Not Bob

Turin

Ithi

 

Sooh

 

Nolder

Zander

Thane

 

John Snow

Eldrick

 

Top group: Top three might be the best town reads I have at the moment. Tress trended up today with her responses to Turin, Seph just needs a friend, and Not Bob is coming across a little gangster in an old timer way that I find myself enjoying. Despite the dog pile today I think some good came of it and the posts he gave this afternoon while short, I think did a good job letting me see where he was coming from. Turin & Ithi round out the bottom simply because I think it's more likely they are town but they are just going to do a fantastic job of grating nerves and dogging innos because they like to take little things and blow them out of proportion and ignore things like context and the humanistic value to this game when evaluating players. Still, sadly, probably townies.

 

Light green: I thought Sooh had some insightful posts earlier. She's noticing some of the wonky things Turin & Ithi say and I'm in agreeance with her opinions on a few other players. This isn't a solid read but I didn't want to keep her in the null pile.

 

Gray: Null group. I had Zander on top because of the VT claim, but man, I need some more from this guy. If there's anyone know is down to town it's his mentor so I am left wondering why I don't see more of that. Nolder is sliding down due to his absence. I got some initial okay feelings from him when we interacted briefly, but silence really just puts me on edge. I hope to hear more from him and soon. There's plenty of stuff to dig into at this point. Thane is at the bottom simply because he hasn't done anything to make me think he could be town or scum yet. Legit could go either way on him at this point.

 

Red group: John and Eldrick. I think they both look pretty bad for their votes. John has been on Seph from the get-go for a reason that I would put on Mynd-level of wackiness. Idk, stuff like that really just doesn't make me feel good about people. He posted a bit today but I don't think much was said in the end. A lot of his topics focus on 'easy' things for scum to talk about (like lynching inactives or the merits of not claiming early) and I think his progression has been poor on Seph despite the amount of posts he had today. Eldrick just seems like a scummy dude to me. I didn't like the timing of his vote today at all, it was convenient and on a soft target who was picking up traction, nor the body of his work as a whole. Would be fine lynching him today.

I hope your top listed reads are your moat town. Interestingly you also add Ithi and me to your town reads but immediately attempt to nullify any reads we may have. Noted.

 

I think that your Nolder drop is odd as you has him so strongly town before. Have you checked to see if he has been on DM at all? It looks like you found yourself withh too many townies and had to drop one. On zander I guess you.don't believe his claim then. Could you show some progression on your Thane read? I thought you had him as town also earlier. I could be wrong there tho.

 

Snow voted Seph. I could see that as either of them being mafia. The rest of snow's posts seem reasonable to.me. he is mixed for me. You say Eldrick is just s scummy guy. Is that in reference to his overall play or things in this game?

[Ithillian Turambar]

Hi Sooh. Your questions that you say we're to me seemed to just be rhetorical ones that you decided to answer. They were not clearly directed at me from what I can read in your latest posts.

 

Why seph? Because he was my first choice and I've had more interaction from him. Things have changed since though.

 

I don't generally know what mafia 101 suggests you do so just do what I think I should do.

 

Where did you get your mafia 101 rules from?@Sooh

[Ithillian Turambar]

Also middle of the night to first thing in the morning. Don't expect great things from me unless you're super clear and I have time to do a bit more than I feel is absolutely necessary

[Thane Vakarian]

i have to say that it was quite an interesting read, especially inbewteen the lines, from the past 6-7 pages. My notes are a bit smaller, but i have some chages of mind after what i read. 

 

notes, if interested

 

 

 PAGE 19 - 25

 

1. Zander (mentored by Cory) quiet, but think VT claim was n00b error

2. Nolder quiet…
 

3. Eldrick

Votes Seph #434, after Seph stating vote meant nothing… 
 

4. Sooh (mentored by Clov)

#408: Seph ^, tress ping, more reading Ithi/turin; 
 

5. Not Bob

#409, don’t like… #411, little, but still present. And, why call me, when there are 2  more voting you? #412, agrees with Ithi’s scum suspects. #415 points at seph, who replies later. #417 guy with agenda > AJ? ; #439 vote Thane… but.. “pretty sure Seph is scum, could vote Eldrick, AJ is guy with agenda, votes Thane?

7. Seph (mentored by Dice): so serious, defends well. Perhaps too well? 
8. Tress quiet…

9. AJ

#365 questions Turin why Snow sus; responds well, imo, to Ithi page 20, #460 better about NotBob… though #417 AJ agenda? Missed it?, vote Eldrick for #434… 
 

10. John Snow

#383 WoT, #384, good responses in general, though could see him (dire)wolf with AJ
 

11. Ithi

#372 I use it too, wolves, form the RL game werewolf.
 

12. Turin

 

#367 reply to #365AJ ; #369 Bah!! you can't all be mafia. #416 vote AJ, competing trains AJ/Seph. General ok gameplay. 

 

 

old list

 

 Turin

Ithi

AJ

Eldrick

 

Nolder

Sooh

John Snow

Tress

 

Notbob

Seph

Zander 

 

 

redone list: 

Turin

Ithi

Eldrick

 

Zander

 

Nolder

Sooh

Tress

Seph

 

John Snow

AJ

Notbob

 

top three still seem town to me. Zander has moved up. I think he made a mistake claiming early and will have gotten hell about it by his mentor. Giving him the benefit of doubt here. 

 

Nolder, Tress, Sooh, i have no idea yet. Hesitating to put Seph somewhere. Null is all i can do for him now. 

 

Now interesting is the bottom three. I have some questionmarks about things Notbob said (perhaps i misunderstood them?), but here goes: post #417. You want to say something specifically Notbob? The way i understand that, is that you have AJ as a guy with an agenda in this game. Usually, for me it means that you suspect him being wolf. AJ has either not seen this or is ignoring this. I doubt he wouldn't have seen it, still he's feeling a lot better about Notbob... this doesn't add up for me. I suspect Notbob and AJ are wolfing together. From the recent interactions, i'd throw John Snow on the scumpile too. 

 

My vote stays.

[Andrej]

 

Alright, sorry about the WOTs. There was a lot of stuff to touch on that I missed while at work but now I'm caught up and will be around through the evening.

 

Anyway, now for this 'trending' list I keep talking about since some of you think I am not taking enough stances. Here's basically where I see everyone.

 

Seph

Tress

Not Bob

Turin

Ithi

 

Sooh

 

Nolder

Zander

Thane

 

John Snow

Eldrick

 

Top group: Top three might be the best town reads I have at the moment. Tress trended up today with her responses to Turin, Seph just needs a friend, and Not Bob is coming across a little gangster in an old timer way that I find myself enjoying. Despite the dog pile today I think some good came of it and the posts he gave this afternoon while short, I think did a good job letting me see where he was coming from. Turin & Ithi round out the bottom simply because I think it's more likely they are town but they are just going to do a fantastic job of grating nerves and dogging innos because they like to take little things and blow them out of proportion and ignore things like context and the humanistic value to this game when evaluating players. Still, sadly, probably townies.

 

Light green: I thought Sooh had some insightful posts earlier. She's noticing some of the wonky things Turin & Ithi say and I'm in agreeance with her opinions on a few other players. This isn't a solid read but I didn't want to keep her in the null pile.

 

Gray: Null group. I had Zander on top because of the VT claim, but man, I need some more from this guy. If there's anyone know is down to town it's his mentor so I am left wondering why I don't see more of that. Nolder is sliding down due to his absence. I got some initial okay feelings from him when we interacted briefly, but silence really just puts me on edge. I hope to hear more from him and soon. There's plenty of stuff to dig into at this point. Thane is at the bottom simply because he hasn't done anything to make me think he could be town or scum yet. Legit could go either way on him at this point.

 

Red group: John and Eldrick. I think they both look pretty bad for their votes. John has been on Seph from the get-go for a reason that I would put on Mynd-level of wackiness. Idk, stuff like that really just doesn't make me feel good about people. He posted a bit today but I don't think much was said in the end. A lot of his topics focus on 'easy' things for scum to talk about (like lynching inactives or the merits of not claiming early) and I think his progression has been poor on Seph despite the amount of posts he had today. Eldrick just seems like a scummy dude to me. I didn't like the timing of his vote today at all, it was convenient and on a soft target who was picking up traction, nor the body of his work as a whole. Would be fine lynching him today.

I hope your top listed reads are your moat town. Interestingly you also add Ithi and me to your town reads but immediately attempt to nullify any reads we may have. Noted.

 

I think that your Nolder drop is odd as you has him so strongly town before. Have you checked to see if he has been on DM at all? It looks like you found yourself withh too many townies and had to drop one. On zander I guess you.don't believe his claim then. Could you show some progression on your Thane read? I thought you had him as town also earlier. I could be wrong there tho.

 

Snow voted Seph. I could see that as either of them being mafia. The rest of snow's posts seem reasonable to.me. he is mixed for me. You say Eldrick is just s scummy guy. Is that in reference to his overall play or things in this game?

Yes, I do have both you and Ithi in my town pile. I have enough experience with both of you that I feel I can read you reasonably well. The difference between us is that I don't scum read people who disagree with me. I think you're both likely town. I also think your reads suck. Plain and simple.

 

Zander can sit pretty in my gray pile until he does something useful. Just because he claimed with zero reason doesn't give him a pass to green pastures. I also never expressed a strong read on Nolder. I've made two posts about him explaining, this one and another before where I said his brief posts were villagery but I never said he was a strong town read. I also never stated I had any sort of read on Thane. I speak plainly, Turin. What I said about him is what I feel. He could go either direction as nothing he has said or done makes me feel strongly either way.

 

I think Snow could legit be mafia. He hasn't just voted Seph, he's been camped there since the game started and with dubious reason. I have no idea where he lies elsewhere and despite sounding "reasonable", which isn't hard to do, I don't think he's said much by way of actual opinions besides talking about things outside of thread content. I don't know Eldrick to call him scummy in general, we've never played before but like I said I think the timing of his post was very opportunistic and he is another who I feel hasn't been much in the fray. Throwing down a vote like that when the steam was starting to pick up is not a good look.

[Andrej]

Things have got interesting over night. I'm going to

 

[unvote] [v]andrej [/v]

 

He's very very certain seph is town and from my point of view there's only two reasons why. He's either mafia running defence or he's mafia who knows seph is town. Both of those scenarios have aj as mafia so that's the logical choice.

 

Seph does seem rather falling apart I think.

 

Sooh made a lovely big case on me and then failed to vote. That's known as a nudge and it's a bad thing. She's on my list now.

You can be really dense sometimes. This sort of linear logic is what causes a lot of innocent players to get strung up. Look past the bridge of your nose and see the bigger picture. You throw out wild accusations left and right and in the end you are probably less than half right and with little credibility. Beating everyone and everything to death with a club that looks at you askance for spewing out nonsense without a filter doesn't make them mafia nor does it make me mafia for putting my foot down and saying this lynch is a dumb one.

 

At the end of the day I can't stop it from happening and if you're now going to turn your sights on me then lol @ you, my dear. Have fun ruining this town because you're too stubborn to consider a view point other than your own.

[Andrej]

@AJ

 

I don't get how frustration is inherently town. If mafia got caught, they would be frustrated too.

 

I also don't see how my timing is scummy. I posted while I was catching up. It's what I do. By the time I caught up, I was still comfortable with my vote, and said as much.

It's not inherently town, you're right. But if you make the effort I think you can see the difference.

 

Did you mention before that you were suspicious of Seph? I don't remember so please quote it if you could.

[Andrej]

AJ, my post re Seph was a suggestion. Just trying to help.

 

You trying to give feels reasons for defending him not swaying me.

 

He was frustrated way before the posts you quoted. He was very much sounding like caught mafia that just didn't understand why they were caught. So his pushing back at his detractors is just not ringing true to Me.

 

I really can't believe you trying to Use postcount = town. He posted a bunch as both alignments in the last game. It is just his nature I think. Pushing null things as alignment indicating is a bad argument. Town!AJ rarely Makes bad arguments. You can be wrong but usually logic is sound.

Well I appreciate you trying to help but I think I can take care of myself, friend

 

Ok, if it doesn't sway you then it doesn't sway you. But it's all over the thread to see and when/if Seph dies and reveals how I think he will, you can refer back to it just to remind yourself that I told you it was a bad idea.

 

The guy spent all day trying to explain and clarify himself and you guys just kept nipping at him. Of course he lost his cool and eventually said enough is enough. Read his posts and think from his perspective. He's super transparent.

 

As far as the post count argument, I'm not going to retract it. It's by no means solid grounds to read someone but it is one of those small things I consider in the big picture. This is his second game and unless he is just ballsy as hell I don't see him jumping out in front like that as newb scum. I also wasn't in your last game or have played with him before, so your statement about him posting the same as both alignments is not info I would be privy to when I made that post.

[Turin Turambar]

 

Things have got interesting over night. I'm going to

 

[unvote] [v]andrej [/v]

 

He's very very certain seph is town and from my point of view there's only two reasons why. He's either mafia running defence or he's mafia who knows seph is town. Both of those scenarios have aj as mafia so that's the logical choice.

 

Seph does seem rather falling apart I think.

 

Sooh made a lovely big case on me and then failed to vote. That's known as a nudge and it's a bad thing. She's on my list now.

You can be really dense sometimes. This sort of linear logic is what causes a lot of innocent players to get strung up. Look past the bridge of your nose and see the bigger picture. You throw out wild accusations left and right and in the end you are probably less than half right and with little credibility. Beating everyone and everything to death with a club that looks at you askance for spewing out nonsense without a filter doesn't make them mafia nor does it make me mafia for putting my foot down and saying this lynch is a dumb one.

 

At the end of the day I can't stop it from happening and if you're now going to turn your sights on me then lol @ you, my dear. Have fun ruining this town because you're too stubborn to consider a view point other than your own.

Stop being rude. It is unhelpful.

[Andrej]

It needed to be said.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Calling people dense is a personal thing. Not cool.

 

You seem to be a lot more involved recently lol

[Andrej]

Take it personally or don't. It's just my 2 cents and outside of this tiny Internet game and small community forum it really means nothing. You can just be frustrating at times, to put it nicely.

 

Anyway, yes I am more involved. The game has kicked up and we have a dead line tomorrow. My participation level isn't out of ordinary, I'm typically high in the post counts since I invest myself into games. What was your point?

[Turin Turambar]

It needed to be said.

not like that.

 

You were able to say my reads suck but had to call her dense, stubborn and make snide comments about ruining the town.

 

Your entire schtick here seems to be more about being able to say "I told you so" than being helpful to finding mafia.

 

Using a potential town Seph flip to.make yourself look better. But who would truly know if Seph is town? Not town. We only get to judge him by what he posts. You say he is righteous in his frustration. Maybe. But your actions and words seem to indicate you already know he is town. which you really can't unless you are mafia.

[Andrej]

That's a tough pill to swallow coming from you Turin who has literally stated "you are as sure as you can be without seeing her role PM". Does that make you mafia by default then? Of course not. That's what I'm talking about with this linear logic crap.

 

As far as wanting to say I told you so, I could care less. Like I said at the end of the day I won't be able to stop it by myself if that's the direction the game goes. Maybe I am wrong and just making a huge fool of myself. It's possible and wouldn't be the first time but I'll cross that bridge when I get there. You know who my suspects are and I have explained why. Whether you choose to acknowledge that or not is your choice.

 

Also, Ithi is a big girl. She doesn't need you swooping in to save her every time somebody gives her some grief. She does more than her fair share of flinging around here and I'm sure her feelings don't at all get hurt when some is thrown back her way.

[Turin Turambar]

 

Things have got interesting over night. I'm going to

 

[unvote] [v]andrej [/v]

 

He's very very certain seph is town and from my point of view there's only two reasons why. He's either mafia running defence or he's mafia who knows seph is town. Both of those scenarios have aj as mafia so that's the logical choice.

 

Seph does seem rather falling apart I think.

 

Sooh made a lovely big case on me and then failed to vote. That's known as a nudge and it's a bad thing. She's on my list now.

You can be really dense sometimes. This sort of linear logic is what causes a lot of innocent players to get strung up. Look past the bridge of your nose and see the bigger picture. You throw out wild accusations left and right and in the end you are probably less than half right and with little credibility. Beating everyone and everything to death with a club that looks at you askance for spewing out nonsense without a filter doesn't make them mafia nor does it make me mafia for putting my foot down and saying this lynch is a dumb one.

 

At the end of the day I can't stop it from happening and if you're now going to turn your sights on me then lol @ you, my dear. Have fun ruining this town because you're too stubborn to consider a view point other than your own.

rudeness aside, lets look at this...your linear logic argument is just an attempt to nullify her read. That townies get lynched happens to everyone no matter what methods they use. To suggest that she is right <50% is probably factually incorrect. She has probably caught more mafia on D1 than anyone on DM. Just because you don't agree with her methods is no reason to discount the results.

 

You think that Seph lynch is a bad one, you want Eldrick? Give more than you have so far. Convince us that Eldrick is a better lynch than well, you now. I think that Seph is pushed down a bit ATM as your behavior in his defense screams mafia.

 

BTW, your stances were all pretty soft. Seph defense and lynch inactives. As mafia you would know if Seph is town. so you could defend him vigorously and be able to crow about how right you were. So when the people leading his lynch come at you or a teammate, you point at that to try to discredit.

 

Lynching inactivity is a easy position to take especially since you weren't really looking to lynch them, just apply pressure. Which frankly makes no sense. If they know you are nit really going to lynch them then what pressure is there. You have to be willing to carry out the threat in order for it to have an effect.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

Things have got interesting over night. I'm going to

 

[unvote] [v]andrej [/v]

 

He's very very certain seph is town and from my point of view there's only two reasons why. He's either mafia running defence or he's mafia who knows seph is town. Both of those scenarios have aj as mafia so that's the logical choice.

 

Seph does seem rather falling apart I think.

 

Sooh made a lovely big case on me and then failed to vote. That's known as a nudge and it's a bad thing. She's on my list now.

I'm also now suspicious of AJ. If seph flips maf, AJ's intense defending of him is going to look really bad.

What if Seph flips town. Does that clear AJ to you?

No. It takes a lot to clear yourself in my book. At best he would be Null if seph flips town. The defending is still suspicious.

[Turin Turambar]

That's a tough pill to swallow coming from you Turin who has literally stated "you are as sure as you can be without seeing her role PM". Does that make you mafia by default then? Of course not. That's what I'm talking about with this linear logic crap.

 

As far as wanting to say I told you so, I could care less. Like I said at the end of the day I won't be able to stop it by myself if that's the direction the game goes. Maybe I am wrong and just making a huge fool of myself. It's possible and wouldn't be the first time but I'll cross that bridge when I get there. You know who my suspects are and I have explained why. Whether you choose to acknowledge that or not is your choice.

 

Also, Ithi is a big girl. She doesn't need you swooping in to save her every time somebody gives her some grief. She does more than her fair share of flinging around here and I'm sure her feelings don't at all get hurt when some is thrown back her way.

she never gets personal. When others do it does hurt. I will swoop where I please thank you very much

 

My ability to read Ithi comes from knowing her. Do you know Seph like that? I doubt it. So really stop comparing apples to watermelon.

[Eldrick4221]

 

@AJ

 

I don't get how frustration is inherently town. If mafia got caught, they would be frustrated too.

 

I also don't see how my timing is scummy. I posted while I was catching up. It's what I do. By the time I caught up, I was still comfortable with my vote, and said as much.

It's not inherently town, you're right. But if you make the effort I think you can see the difference.

 

Did you mention before that you were suspicious of Seph? I don't remember so please quote it if you could.

I mentioned it when I was suspicious of the Ithi train. He was on that.