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csarmi

By csarmi
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Zander? Spam Master

Zander?

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Mafia reads

 

Clov

Sooh

Yates

LOL - you think Clov v Yates is Scum v Scum??

 

 no but its difintely one of the 2 of you i just havent decided which yet

Yates Master

Yates

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Mafia reads

 

Clov

Sooh

Yates

LOL - you think Clov v Yates is Scum v Scum??

 

 no but its difintely one of the 2 of you i just havent decided which yet

 

Why can't this be T v T?
BFG Spam Master

BFG

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And she was town in Arthurian if that helps? :wink:

Oh. Well, I wasn't exactly "reading" her slot in Arthur, though. :tongue:

 

:blush: I mean W13 (I replaced in both)

Yates Master

Yates

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because my bs reader is coming up and its stuck between the two of you...lol

Well we are both blowhards so you should recallibrate your meter.
Zander? Spam Master

Zander?

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because my bs reader is coming up and its stuck between the two of you...lol

Well we are both blowhards so you should recallibrate your meter.

 

dont know you guys well enough yet.  so ill have to trust it as is

Yates Master

Yates

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dont know you guys well enough yet.  so ill have to trust it as is

Ok.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Zander[/v]

BFG Spam Master

BFG

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@BFG - how much are you running your reads through Cory?

Some :)

 

We were able to chat for a while last night and aren't thinking massively differently. He's *firmer* in his stances than I am.

csarmi Spam Master

csarmi

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Mod reminder:

 

No night talk. That means any post after deadline is up is a no-no. Not sure how precise clocks are - i dont wanna see a post with xx:01 on it in its timestamp.

Sooh Spam Master

Sooh

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If it comes down to voting between Clov or Yates though, I'd go Yates.

Then you aren't reading the game. My vote on Clov isn't defensive. It's because I want to get rid of scum. Town Clov doesn't push people on made up BS reasons. His pushes have all been made up BS. Ergo, Clov is scum. It's that simple.

 

Take a look at his stated reason for voting for me, for example. Not to put too fine a point on it but he's acting like he thought it was scummy for joshing around with BFG based on the exchange we had in the game that just ended. In what world is joking around with someone based on a recent misread somehow perceived as scummy?

 

Now look at how he's trying to make Zander look bad. He's trying to pretend Zander should have more information than is reasonable because he has a mentor - from another site. That's so garbage. It's the inverse of the "too much info to be a noob" argument. Ask Sili how scum [*cough* me *cough*] used that as an argument to get him mislynched in one of his first games here. I think we used it on Eldrick as well. It's a garbage push and is NEVER accurate.

 

Say again: Vote Clov if you want this Town to win.

 

 

 

seems legit..anyone got any good reasons to refute?

 

 

Zander, why are you reading Yates at face value, but pushing hard at Sooh?

 

I also didn't like that post... especially coupled with this:

 

Mafia reads

 

Clov

Sooh

Yates

Make up your mind dude! Do you agree with Yates about Clov, or do you think he's scummy? And if you still think it's 'one of them', why did you so readily agree with Yates here?

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

It is always best to follow up a list with reasons for said list...

too many posts to quote, so I'll just talk :)

 

I think we have a different definition of 'out there'

 

 

Early game interaction when the conversation is fluffy is *easy* to fake as mafia (sort of) so I don't consider it risky. What I can't see this game that was in your previous town game is game solve. For example your first 10ish posts following game start in Arthurian had a vote on Yates, explanation of the vote, an unvote when you changed your mind, interaction with Sili... and that's off the top of my head. This game I have seen none of that, which is worrying because I know that when you're town you find low activity a bad thing, so why aren't you thinking the same this game? you've been calling Zander mafia for #reasons but weren't doing anything about it until after you've been pushed to contribute.

I understood the variation of our definition of 'out there' when I read your response to me, which is why I tried to explain my view of it.

 

Given that I was pushed early myself my game is necessarily different from when I'm not pushed. 

Yates Master

Yates

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whats making you change your mind? since youve been arguing ive been town the whole game?

I haven't been arguing that you are Town. There's a whole post on the subject. And that's my point. You aren't processing new information. Failure to process new information is scummy.
BFG Spam Master

BFG

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So here we go

 

Clov has worked to get the game moving which is a townie thing to do. Now Clov 'could' do this as mafia, but it's not something to suspect him over as is. His vote on Yates was by far the most townie thing on thread at that point in the game.

 

Yates is playing low effort so far, this 'could' be mafia Yates replicating his low effort town game, but for now I'm inclined it more likely that this is town Yates. His response to the votes is possibly more wounded town than scummy as well. Hopefully he'll become more obvious once the game gets going.

 

I would be reluctant to lynch Zander today, mostly because I think him more likely to be town, but partly because DM 'courtesy' doesn't lynch noob players Day 1, partly because we want them to come back and play again, partly because it's difficult to read noob players as they tend to come across as scummy (admittedly I have a blind spot here). If he doesn't start adding more of value soon then I'll likely change my mind here.

 

I could tin foil on Sili and of my town reads and am currently more likely to do so than my other greens due to low thread presence, I'm more comfortable reading Sili during thread interaction and I'm seeing not much of that here, him bailing on the thread after telling me he liked his current PoE is a red flag to me since he normally develops reads through in-thread interaction. On the other hand his thought process is still sort of transparant so can get a light green read till tomorrow.

 

Tress is closer to green, early posts are paying attention (I had the same initial reaction to Sili's posts in terms of making me uneasy, finding them aggressive), she also seems relaxed around Yates, but has been absent recently :(

 

I have nothing more to add on Cass, she seems relaxed, but there's nothing content wise yet, the more posts she does with 'more later' the worse I'll feel.

 

Not much to add on Dice, sorry to hear about RL. I really don't like that he's come in and basically commented on who Zanders mentor is. He was also OBV town at the end of the game, that just finished, but that was building on an overall OBVtown game.

 

Sooh's tricky I knew her alignment when I was reading her posts in the Arthurian game so can't be a reliable judge. But typically I expect TownSooh to be more involved, as an example - she voted a claimed mason (Yates) who was being backed up by another claimed mason (Pral) because he was low effort, there's none of that this game and in fact is 'nulling' people because of it. SLast game she spoke to people she'd never interacted with before, presumably in an effort to understand them, this game there's none of that (for example, I don't believe her and Clov have met before?). If I was Ithi I'd be jumping up and down over Sooh's self-consciousness about being lynched, while last game she was worried about being killed #InnerIthi.

Well.. I went back and read the thread, basically ISOing myself, and to be fair, I have sounded jumpy... It may be because I'm trying to throw myself out there more, whereas earlier I have tried to observe more and always been jumped at for low post count, so there's that... Of course the fluff so far isn't going to help me much in that department... 

 

As for Clov I do know him a little from chats, so that means I have interacted with everyone in this game before. 

 

I wish I could convince you that I'm town from this, especially since I feel my contributions in mafia games usually gets better as the game goes along and I have more to work with... Then again, I see where you're coming from.

 

 

Eh?

 

So you reread the thread and all you can say is that you understand why I think you could be mafia?

 

Can you show me where you've tried to throw yourself out there in this thread?

 

Which game were you jumped on for low postcount? From what I know this is your third game? You were consensus town (mostly) in the cliché game, and I don't recall you getting pushed in W13, although I'll admit I never finished fully catching up so may have missed it.

 

I went back to read the thread to see where you were coming from, and yes, I saw that. 

 

At the gate I threw myself out there interacting with people in loose banter. Then I have had to defend said banter since then, because apparently my banter is suspicious. Yes, this is frustrating. I have not done much in terms of reads yet, because first of all I'm not good at reading people D1, and second of all, like the people who have done reads have said... not much there to work with. I'll try to get a read done now as soon as I'm done with this post to satisfy your needs. 

 

This is my fourth game actually, and it was very much my first game and the cliche game in which I was jumped on for post count. True I wasn't pushed much in the Cliche game, but the comments were there. If that makes me defensive, ok, I'm defensive. Not because I have anything to hide, but because I would like to contribute to this game before I'm voted out.

 

What I meant was you didn't have thoughts on anyone else, no gamesolve.

 

Sili was the only one who questioned you on banter and immediately after read you as town. (Clov was completely different and nothing to do with a read).

 

There isn't much to work with, but there are votes and have been for a while, once people start giving reads, strong, light whatever there becomes stuff to talk about... I must have missed your first game then :sorry:

Zander? Spam Master

Zander?

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If it comes down to voting between Clov or Yates though, I'd go Yates.

Then you aren't reading the game. My vote on Clov isn't defensive. It's because I want to get rid of scum. Town Clov doesn't push people on made up BS reasons. His pushes have all been made up BS. Ergo, Clov is scum. It's that simple.

 

Take a look at his stated reason for voting for me, for example. Not to put too fine a point on it but he's acting like he thought it was scummy for joshing around with BFG based on the exchange we had in the game that just ended. In what world is joking around with someone based on a recent misread somehow perceived as scummy?

 

Now look at how he's trying to make Zander look bad. He's trying to pretend Zander should have more information than is reasonable because he has a mentor - from another site. That's so garbage. It's the inverse of the "too much info to be a noob" argument. Ask Sili how scum [*cough* me *cough*] used that as an argument to get him mislynched in one of his first games here. I think we used it on Eldrick as well. It's a garbage push and is NEVER accurate.

 

Say again: Vote Clov if you want this Town to win.

 

 

 

seems legit..anyone got any good reasons to refute?

 

 

Zander, why are you reading Yates at face value, but pushing hard at Sooh?

 

I also didn't like that post... especially coupled with this:

 

Mafia reads

 

Clov

Sooh

Yates

Make up your mind dude! Do you agree with Yates about Clov, or do you think he's scummy? And if you still think it's 'one of them', why did you so readily agree with Yates here?

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

It is always best to follow up a list with reasons for said list...

too many posts to quote, so I'll just talk :)

 

I think we have a different definition of 'out there'

 

 

Early game interaction when the conversation is fluffy is *easy* to fake as mafia (sort of) so I don't consider it risky. What I can't see this game that was in your previous town game is game solve. For example your first 10ish posts following game start in Arthurian had a vote on Yates, explanation of the vote, an unvote when you changed your mind, interaction with Sili... and that's off the top of my head. This game I have seen none of that, which is worrying because I know that when you're town you find low activity a bad thing, so why aren't you thinking the same this game? you've been calling Zander mafia for #reasons but weren't doing anything about it until after you've been pushed to contribute.

I understood the variation of our definition of 'out there' when I read your response to me, which is why I tried to explain my view of it.

 

Given that I was pushed early myself my game is necessarily different from when I'm not pushed. 

 

i said seems legit then asked if anyone else had a reason to refute.  if you had to make a choic between 2 things wouldn't you want to make sure you were sure before hand?

Cass Master

Cass

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Frankly, I wouldn't normally want to lynch Clov on Day 1 either but these pushes are so un-Clov-like that they have me rustled.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mafia reads

 

Clov

Sooh

Yates

LOL - you think Clov v Yates is Scum v Scum??

 

 no but its difintely one of the 2 of you i just havent decided which yet

 

Why can't this be T v T?

 

 

Can you be more consistent please??

 

Do you, or do you not believe that Clov is scum here?

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