Warehouse 13 Mafia- Mafia Wins!

Kaylee · April 4, 2015

Official Vote Count

Hally (2): Dice, Wombat

Wombat (2): Verbal, Eldrick

Alanna (6): Pral, Arsis, Not Bob, Hally, Leelou, Sooh

Not Voting (4): Alanna, Cass, Yates, Lily

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch

Deadline is Monday April 6th at 4pm MST.

Countdown timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150406T16&p0=3862&msg=End+of+D2&csz=1

ALANNA IS AT L-2

Eldrick4221 · April 4, 2015

Lily, your voting without paying attention to what's going on in the thread is starting to bug me.

Eldrick4221 · April 4, 2015

As for the doll, my guess its owners death will do one of three things:

1. Activate. Whatever that is, and I'm guessing from what was said that won't be good.

2. Move randomly. If it is searching for someone who can use it, like you said, it might just continue the search.

3. Nothing. It might just die with you, like Excalibur did in your game.

Kaylee · April 4, 2015

FYI I'LL BE OUT FOR AWHILE.

Eldrick4221 · April 4, 2015

So Alanna was at L-1 for a bit, and she didn't get hammered. I'm willing to bet there's a good amount of scum on her lynch, if she is indeed town. I'm not thinking she is anymore.

I don't expect this to go anywhere today, but I'm more comfortable having by vote on someone I have my own reasons to think is scum.

[unvote]

[v]Lily[/v]

Eldrick4221 · April 4, 2015

I won't be here to discuss the doll. I'm going to work now.

Songstress · April 4, 2015

Official Vote Count

Hally (2): Dice, Wombat
Wombat (1): Verbal
Alanna (6): Pral, Arsis, Not Bob, Hally, Leelou, Sooh

Lily (1): Eldrick

Not Voting (4): Alanna, Cass, Yates, Lily

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch

ALANNA IS AT L-2

Deadline is Monday April 6th at 4pm MST.

Countdown timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150406T16&p0=3862&msg=End+of+D2&csz=1

Alanna · April 4, 2015

So Alanna was at L-1 for a bit, and she didn't get hammered. I'm willing to bet there's a good amount of scum on her lynch, if she is indeed town. I'm not thinking she is anymore.

I don't expect this to go anywhere today, but I'm more comfortable having by vote on someone I have my own reasons to think is scum.

[unvote]

[v]Lily[/v]

I was only at L-1 for 10 minutes. Doesn't seem like very many people have been around all afternoon. Hardly anyone else has been posting.

Alanna · April 5, 2015

So I'm heading out for the evening. I may not be online for the rest of the night, but I definitely won't be online for the next 4-5 hours.

I hope you won't lynch me in that time, but just in case, here are my reads so far. I was going to wait until I finished rereading Day 1 to really formulate and post these, but given the circumstances, here they are for now.

Just FYI, I pretty much never blueread anyone, and I don't have strong red scum suspects yet.

Leelou - She never posts much, but she just sort of comes across as more...helpful...to me when she's town, and I'm not entirely feeling that from her this game. So just a slight scum lean. Wouldn't lynch her yet, but would keep an eye on her.

Lily - Kind of starting to get bad vibes from her. She's following a lot on lynch trains.

Dice - I've agreed with a lot of his thoughts, he's been talking sense. Obviously it's just off Day 1 stuff since he's been gone.

Arsis - I want to say a town lean, but the fact that he knew I had this item doesn't necessarily mean he's town. That could be a scum lean. So, null.

Eldrick - This is partly because I've been rereading the start of Day 1 and was reminded how much I didn't like his earlier play. I think it could be a mistake to write him off as apathetic town. I've seen a couple of things from him so far that look like his last scum game. I think the argument that his teammates would've stopped him from going down certain lines of discussion is crap. Sometimes that's not possible.

Pral - His reads list was pretty solid and didn't sound feigned

Sooh - Was leaning town on Sooh, but I don't like the vote on me without even commenting on what I've said about this item

Hallia - I often scumread Hallia, so maybe I'm being overzealous on her. It's the only reason she's not a red read for me right now.

Cass - Haven't played with her before, but leaning pretty strongly town. If she's scum, hat's off to her.

Yates - Partly the mason claim, but actually this is mostly formulated separate of that. He's always aggressive, but I think it's a different kind of aggressive than when he's scum. I think he comes across as more thoughtful, even in his aggressiveness, as town. Or maybe I can't read him at all, I don't know, but I'm trying.

NotBob - Haven't really liked his play, tbh. I've been holding back on him because others who know him better keep saying he's a valuable player, but I haven't seen much to warrant that so far. Never gave any reason for voting me. If this is his good town play, I'm super disappointed.

Verbal - He's coming across as genuinely trying to find scum, and his willing to be circumspect on some of the people that followed him onto Wombat makes me feel good about him

Wombat - Think I've explained this one by now

Of the people who voted me so far, I'm most concerned about NotBob, Sooh, and Lily. NotBob never gave any reason for voting me but hopped on when a few other people had mentioned suspecting me. Didn't like that both Sooh and Lily voted after I mentioned the item, but didn't comment on it at all. I mean, they didn't even say "I think Alanna is lying." That's super weird to me. Looks like they're taking advantage of Arsis' claim to go for an automatic lynch.

So that's it. I think I've said all I can for now. Later.

Cass · April 5, 2015

I went back digging and I came across this:

I'm back.

I was feeling really good about Alanna but I don't like the argument "for information" to lynch someone.

Every lynch garners info so that's really not a reason to pick someone out of the crowd except in extraordinary cases and I don't think this is one of those cases.

That said, maybe it's just a fluke in belief systems. I'm not going to harp about it but I don't feel as strongly as I did coming into this game that Alanna is town.

If Arsis has information about Alanna it would have to have been Nolder who went to look for it. This might suggest that his claim is fair...

Yes, I am Vanilla Town. Not much more I can say about that. I had only posted that one last post in the Night 0 thread, which apparently didn't trigger anything.
You're saying that you have no items or never had any items that are harmful to town in your possession?

Ohhh. Hmm.

I was told at the start of Day 2 that I received a doll. I was told it doesn't do anything to me. I have no idea what abilities it might have otherwise.

Now why would you know Alanna has an item? Did you give it to her?

Nope. I still have my artifact/role w/e it is. I just know she has something that isn't town. I'm playing along with the theme :)

This makes me incredibly nervous.

Arsis, do you receive the item upon Alanna's death?

Why willing to stake your life on this so quickly?

And if you have this item, is there potential for it to be good for Town?

Or, is it only good for you?

The only experience I've had with items in a game, obtaining it was 3rd party's alternate wincon.

Arsis · April 5, 2015

I went back digging and I came across this:

I'm back.

I was feeling really good about Alanna but I don't like the argument "for information" to lynch someone.

Every lynch garners info so that's really not a reason to pick someone out of the crowd except in extraordinary cases and I don't think this is one of those cases.

That said, maybe it's just a fluke in belief systems. I'm not going to harp about it but I don't feel as strongly as I did coming into this game that Alanna is town.

If Arsis has information about Alanna it would have to have been Nolder who went to look for it. This might suggest that his claim is fair...

Yes, I am Vanilla Town. Not much more I can say about that. I had only posted that one last post in the Night 0 thread, which apparently didn't trigger anything.
You're saying that you have no items or never had any items that are harmful to town in your possession?
Ohhh. Hmm.
I was told at the start of Day 2 that I received a doll. I was told it doesn't do anything to me. I have no idea what abilities it might have otherwise.

Now why would you know Alanna has an item? Did you give it to her?
Nope. I still have my artifact/role w/e it is. I just know she has something that isn't town. I'm playing along with the theme :)
This makes me incredibly nervous.

Arsis, do you receive the item upon Alanna's death?

Why willing to stake your life on this so quickly?

And if you have this item, is there potential for it to be good for Town?

Or, is it only good for you?

The only experience I've had with items in a game, obtaining it was 3rd party's alternate wincon.

I don't get it/obtain it or use it. I don't know anything about it besides it's not town. Why not stake my life on it? I'm 99% certain I'm right. The pm said alanna. I think she's just lying about the benign nature of what she has. If it was important and I needed it how would I know who had it? My artifact under conditions I'm not mentioning allows me to see if someone has a non-town role/item/artifact. Nol checked on Alanna and dropped before he got the results.

Cass · April 5, 2015

Gah. I have to think some more on theory but it's Easter Sunday here, I'm not going to be around much til tonight (8 or 9 hrs away).

Right now, I'm leaning towards 'don't play nice with Arsis' - I don't trust him or the fact he's not freely offering info.

Yates? I think I trust him less than you.

Cass · April 5, 2015

Sick x - post.

I think it all still relates...

(This may change, need to re-read more tonight).

Cass · April 5, 2015

I'm just saying that I have information due to my role/artifact and Alanna should be the lynch today.
1. Are you lying?
2. Are you willing to bet your life on this lynch?

If you agree to be tonight's vig target/tomorrows turbo lynch if Alanna flips Town I'd be willing to place my vote there.

Yep. Bet my life on it. Kill me tonight/tomorrow. I'm not lying.

Were you answering those questions in order?

Arsis · April 5, 2015

I'm just saying that I have information due to my role/artifact and Alanna should be the lynch today.
1. Are you lying?
2. Are you willing to bet your life on this lynch?

If you agree to be tonight's vig target/tomorrows turbo lynch if Alanna flips Town I'd be willing to place my vote there.

Yep. Bet my life on it. Kill me tonight/tomorrow. I'm not lying.

Were you answering those questions in order?

You're funny.

Cass · April 5, 2015

I went back digging and I came across this:

I'm back.

I was feeling really good about Alanna but I don't like the argument "for information" to lynch someone.

Every lynch garners info so that's really not a reason to pick someone out of the crowd except in extraordinary cases and I don't think this is one of those cases.

That said, maybe it's just a fluke in belief systems. I'm not going to harp about it but I don't feel as strongly as I did coming into this game that Alanna is town.

If Arsis has information about Alanna it would have to have been Nolder who went to look for it. This might suggest that his claim is fair...

Yes, I am Vanilla Town. Not much more I can say about that. I had only posted that one last post in the Night 0 thread, which apparently didn't trigger anything.
You're saying that you have no items or never had any items that are harmful to town in your possession?
Ohhh. Hmm.
I was told at the start of Day 2 that I received a doll. I was told it doesn't do anything to me. I have no idea what abilities it might have otherwise.

Now why would you know Alanna has an item? Did you give it to her?
Nope. I still have my artifact/role w/e it is. I just know she has something that isn't town. I'm playing along with the theme :)
This makes me incredibly nervous.

Arsis, do you receive the item upon Alanna's death?

Why willing to stake your life on this so quickly?

And if you have this item, is there potential for it to be good for Town?

Or, is it only good for you?

The only experience I've had with items in a game, obtaining it was 3rd party's alternate wincon.

I don't get it/obtain it or use it. I don't know anything about it besides it's not town. Why not stake my life on it? I'm 99% certain I'm right. The pm said alanna. I think she's just lying about the benign nature of what she has. If it was important and I needed it how would I know who had it? My artifact under conditions I'm not mentioning allows me to see if someone has a non-town role/item/artifact. Nol checked on Alanna and dropped before he got the results.

Ok. Thinking about this. Most of what you've suggested can validly go either way, so it's effectively null to me.

The bold stands out though, and you saying it concerns me. Where did you get the idea Alanna was suggesting the item was benign?

I saw her mention that she may have an item which 'isn't Town' and reiterate that it may be an item that could be dangerous to Town in her possession, or one that only mafia could use.

That, to me, suggests that she's saying the item is dangerous. How on Earth does that equate to her 'lying about the nature of it being benign'?

Arsis · April 5, 2015

I went back digging and I came across this:

I'm back.

I was feeling really good about Alanna but I don't like the argument "for information" to lynch someone.

Every lynch garners info so that's really not a reason to pick someone out of the crowd except in extraordinary cases and I don't think this is one of those cases.

That said, maybe it's just a fluke in belief systems. I'm not going to harp about it but I don't feel as strongly as I did coming into this game that Alanna is town.

If Arsis has information about Alanna it would have to have been Nolder who went to look for it. This might suggest that his claim is fair...

Yes, I am Vanilla Town. Not much more I can say about that. I had only posted that one last post in the Night 0 thread, which apparently didn't trigger anything.
You're saying that you have no items or never had any items that are harmful to town in your possession?
Ohhh. Hmm.
I was told at the start of Day 2 that I received a doll. I was told it doesn't do anything to me. I have no idea what abilities it might have otherwise.

Now why would you know Alanna has an item? Did you give it to her?
Nope. I still have my artifact/role w/e it is. I just know she has something that isn't town. I'm playing along with the theme :)
This makes me incredibly nervous.

Arsis, do you receive the item upon Alanna's death?

Why willing to stake your life on this so quickly?

And if you have this item, is there potential for it to be good for Town?

Or, is it only good for you?

The only experience I've had with items in a game, obtaining it was 3rd party's alternate wincon.

I don't get it/obtain it or use it. I don't know anything about it besides it's not town. Why not stake my life on it? I'm 99% certain I'm right. The pm said alanna. I think she's just lying about the benign nature of what she has. If it was important and I needed it how would I know who had it? My artifact under conditions I'm not mentioning allows me to see if someone has a non-town role/item/artifact. Nol checked on Alanna and dropped before he got the results.

Ok. Thinking about this. Most of what you've suggested can validly go either way, so it's effectively null to me.

The bold stands out though, and you saying it concerns me. Where did you get the idea Alanna was suggesting the item was benign?

I saw her mention that she may have an item which 'isn't Town' and reiterate that it may be an item that could be dangerous to Town in her possession, or one that only mafia could use.

That, to me, suggests that she's saying the item is dangerous. How on Earth does that equate to her 'lying about the nature of it being benign'?

She said she was plain vt which isn't true. Then when pressed said she had a doll which does nothing as far as she knows.

Eldrick4221 · April 5, 2015

This talk about artifacts confuses me. Mine doesn't do anything. I was under the impression they were just flavor.

Eldrick4221 · April 5, 2015

So, if I'm understanding this correctly, Nolder gave Alanna the doll. The result of doing so is Nolder's replacement (sorry your name escapes me atm) was informed that either alanna or her item aren't town. She or it could be 3rd party, but if this is all true, I'm willing to vote her. Not putting her at L-1 without hearing from other people though.

Alanna · April 5, 2015

I am VT. Per my role PM. I somehow received an item at the end of Night 1 that does nothing to me and that i can do nothing with. I did not say it was a completely benign object. It may not be. I suspect it may be an anti-town item that only anti-town can use.

But yes, Arsis, I am VT. I started the game VT and so far as I am concerned, I'm still VT because I can do nothing with this item. The item may be anti-town, but it appears to be harmless to town in my possession.

Alanna · April 5, 2015

So, if I'm understanding this correctly, Nolder gave Alanna the doll. The result of doing so is Nolder's replacement (sorry your name escapes me atm) was informed that either alanna or her item aren't town. She or it could be 3rd party, but if this is all true, I'm willing to vote her. Not putting her at L-1 without hearing from other people though.

Eldrick, the doll is the item I have. I do not have and never have had another item besides it. Your theory that Nolder gave me the doll and it to him my alignment cannot be true because I am town, and I have no item except that doll.

Alanna · April 5, 2015

Oh hai, I'm back btw ;)

LilyElizabeth · April 5, 2015

I'm not sure what to think of this doll. In most games with items, if the possessor of an item dies, the item is out of play. But who knows if Kay is doing that? I'd like to lynch Alanna, who I have a scum read on, and see if that happens. But I don't like the way Arsis presented his case. He gave us the impression that Alanna was evil, not the item. He came forward later and corrected that assumption. Honestly, I think I'm going to sit on all this for now, and go back to Wombat, who is a stronger scum read for me.

Vote Wombat

Songstress · April 5, 2015

Official Vote Count:

Hally (2): Dice, Wombat
Wombat (2): Verbal, Lily
Alanna (6): Pral, Arsis, Not Bob, Hally, Leelou, Sooh
Lily (1): Eldrick

Not Voting (3): Alanna, Cass, Yates

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch

ALANNA IS AT L-2

Deadline is Monday April 6th at 4pm MST.

Countdown timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150406T16&p0=3862&msg=End+of+D2&csz=1

Eldrick4221 · April 5, 2015

Yes, I am Vanilla Town. Not much more I can say about that. I had only posted that one last post in the Night 0 thread, which apparently didn't trigger anything.
You're saying that you have no items or never had any items that are harmful to town in your possession?

Ohhh. Hmm.

I was told at the start of Day 2 that I received a doll. I was told it doesn't do anything to me. I have no idea what abilities it might have otherwise.

You were specifically told it doesn't do anything 'to you'?

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