Warehouse 13 Mafia- Mafia Wins!

[Alanna]

 

 

 

Does anyone know how many times Wombat and Sili have played together? Or, Wombat, if you're around, could you tell me?

Probably 3 times? Maybe more. Why?

 

 

Trying to decide how I feel about his interplay with Sili. I'm just gonna say this, but I have a lot of trouble following and understanding Sili. And I'm not really sure why that is - it's not a tone or a language thing. Sometimes I think it's just me, because he'll seem to be just be all over the place, and sometimes I'll read a post of his and just literally not know what he's saying. But then later he'll be like 'But I've been so clear!' and I just feel like I'm missing something when it comes to him. I'm not saying it's his fault, necessarily, but our brain waves just don't jive, I think. It's something I've really been thinking about when I play with him. I think maybe he's not as transparent about the flow of his thoughts to me, because I think I just often don't see how he gets from one place to the next.

 

Anyway, I'm not trying to rag on Sili, I'm just saying, I have this problem with him. And I would always find him scummy because of it, except that I've now played with him enough times that I realize I can't really trust my gut instinct to find him scummy. (Which basically leaves me feeling like i have no idea how to read him, but that's not really the point here). My point is, I can see how someone like Wombat, who tends to be pretty logical, might have a similar problem with Sili, and his seeming to jump all over the place. I haven't had a chance to reread yet, but from what I remember, that was a lot of Wombat's argument against Sili, that he seemed all over the place. I was reading their exchange at EOD and couldn't figure out if this was scum Wombat pressing an easy lynch target, or if he just genuinely had a problem with Sili's play and found it scummy.

 

So, I was wondering how much experience he had playing with Sili. If he hasn't played with him much, then I can see that maybe he really just found Sili's play, which was kind of typical for him, scummy. If he has more experience with him, then that raises my suspicions. I will admit that i haven't had that strong townie feel about Wombat that I sometimes get from him at the start of a game, but I don't always get that feeling every time he's town. Sometimes it takes until Day 2 or 3 before I start feeling more certain about him.

 

Sorry for the rambling explanation, I am in desperate need of some sleep, so my thoughts aren't really sticking together well atm.

 

As for others on the Sili lynch - I feel okay about Lily's vote. Nolder, it's hard to tell. His voting Sili when Sili refused to work with the town is definitely something he would do, but that would also be a convenient excuse to vote him as mafia. I don't have any experience playing with Cass, but I believe she'd telegraphed iffy feelings about Sili earlier, so her vote doesn't seem too off. Not bob, I have no idea. TBH, I was one of those people who wasn't crazy about his play Day 1, but others who know him better kept saying he was okay, so I didn't say anything. But I wasn't really ever sure about that whole "slip" of Sili's, and if I look at it totally objectively and don't let what others say about him cloud my instinct, then I kind of feel it was a pretty lazy vote.

 

I'm not limiting my suspects to the Sii lynch, though. I'm kind of uncomfortable doing that because I know I myself didn't have a very good reason to vote Sili, and you know, it was Day 1. That happens to a lot of people. It seems likely there was at least one scum on Sili's lynch, but it's also possible there wasn't, either. However, I really need to do a reread of earlier stuff on Day 1, and I'm not sure if I'll have time for that today. Maybe later this evening, if not, tomorrow.

 

I'm definitely suspecting Hallia. (The world has returned to normal, I guess?) I think I outlined it earlier, but I just don't get her play at EOD. She claims she was pretty much online the last 2 or 3 hours leading up to the lynch. I checked back, and the last time she posted (before she turned up about 10 minutes before the deadline) was about an hour and a half before deadline - she posted a couple of times then, and was only posting about her vote on dice, and dice voting her. So I don't get her turning up so close to deadline and being so against the Sili lynch and trying to stop it when there obviously is no time. I don't get sitting back and watching that last couple of hours and not saying anything to try and stop Sili's lynch, or trying to ask others if we can consolidate elsewhere.

 

She votes for dice a few hours before deadline - okay, fine. He was her top scum suspect, and maybe she's thinking others will follow her vote. But I just think at some point you realize this isn't going to happen - and no, not so late as ten minutes before deadline - and start asking if others who are online are willing to lynch elsewhere. You know? The only townie explanation I can put together on her behavior is that she really thought others would follow her onto dice, even though pretty much no one else was talking about lynching him, and she wasn't pushing him as a candidate at others, either.

 

Anyway. Those are my kind of scattered thoughts. I need a nap and then I have to get some errands done, but hopefully I'll be in and out here. Just FYI, Easter is kind of a huge deal in my household, and we have a lot of church and family stuff to do, starting this evening and going on through Monday, so I may not be here too much over the next three days. But I do really want to get to that reread, so I will try.

 

 

I can agree with/understand most of this.

 

A couple of things stand out though...

- You didn't mention why you felt okay about Lily's vote but you went into more detail for everyone else... why? What made Lily's vote ok for you?

- Feels like you may be pushing the OMGUS thing a bit far with Hallia, and you run with it more later on... why?

 

 

Lily's vote felt okay for me because it felt like her. I'm not sure if I can explain that better...I've played with Lily a lot and go mostly with my gut with her. I'll look back at it in a minute and see if I can explain better.

 

What OMGUS thing are you talking about? If you're talking about her supposedly OMGUS vote on dice, that has nothing to do with why I suspect her. If you're saying my attitude towards her is OMGUS, uh, no. I went after her first. Am I missing what you meant here?

[WWWwombat]

NotBob how can you even say hat slot is scummy? No one put work in except for Nol, and he did ok. FoS on you for attacking low-hanging fruit

 

Terrible reason for an FoS.

 

 

Wombat, you, Dice.

 

Terrible list.

[WWWwombat]

G2g will finish catchup later.

[Alanna]

Re: Lily's vote. When I first read it, I remember thinking it was kind of unnecessary - but Lily often votes to consolidate on Day 1, and I would imagine this is true for her even with hybrid hammer. She is in no way cleared for me, but her vote on Sili didn't come off as scummy to me.

[Yates]

Re: Lily's vote. When I first read it, I remember thinking it was kind of unnecessary - but Lily often votes to consolidate on Day 1, and I would imagine this is true for her even with hybrid hammer. She is in no way cleared for me, but her vote on Sili didn't come off as scummy to me.

Or... and this is something I've been spit balling... she read in her scum QT to go vote Sili and voted Sili before getting caught up in thread.

[Alanna]

 

Re: Lily's vote. When I first read it, I remember thinking it was kind of unnecessary - but Lily often votes to consolidate on Day 1, and I would imagine this is true for her even with hybrid hammer. She is in no way cleared for me, but her vote on Sili didn't come off as scummy to me.

Or... and this is something I've been spit balling... she read in her scum QT to go vote Sili and voted Sili before getting caught up in thread.

 

 

Hadn't considered that, but definitely possible, as she notes that she is not caught up when she placed her vote.

[Cass]

 

 

 

And as to lynching yates, while it might not be justification in your narrow world, it was in mine. Why? Because I've seen yates be that aggressive a lot lately. I said it's been a long time since I've seen town yates. I said it you know? And you don't think we have a different perspective on what's more/less likely?

 

You think that difference in perspectives actually means anything. You think it means enough to keep yoru vote on me for 5 real life days?

 

I was using it as justification to build a wagon on him wombat. To get a better read of him. Why don't you know that? Because I made it pretty clear.

 

It's been a long time since I've seen Town Yates too, but I remember that he's almost always aggressive.  I can accept different perspectives.  I can't accept ones that make no sense from a town PoV.  And just because I have my vote somewhere doesn't mean I don't have multiple irons in the fire.  I was pushing Hallia and probing others.

 

 

This is false.  You don't bury your vote when you're in scumhunting mode - you fling your vote around without explanation.  You even called it "Wombatting" earlier.  If you aren't moving your vote, you aren't using your form of scumhunting.  Sili is right on this.

 

 

I probably tunneled Sili too much.  I'm going to have to reassess some things.  At the time, I saw no reason to move my vote from a guy who was my #1 from very near the beginning.  And I don't always play as fast and loose with my vote as you seem to think.  I will admit that not moving my vote at all is abnormal for me, but it's pretty abnormal for me as scum as well as town, so I don't see how it's a scumtell in your eyes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does anyone know how many times Wombat and Sili have played together? Or, Wombat, if you're around, could you tell me?

Probably 3 times? Maybe more. Why?

 

 

Trying to decide how I feel about his interplay with Sili. I'm just gonna say this, but I have a lot of trouble following and understanding Sili. And I'm not really sure why that is - it's not a tone or a language thing. Sometimes I think it's just me, because he'll seem to be just be all over the place, and sometimes I'll read a post of his and just literally not know what he's saying. But then later he'll be like 'But I've been so clear!' and I just feel like I'm missing something when it comes to him. I'm not saying it's his fault, necessarily, but our brain waves just don't jive, I think. It's something I've really been thinking about when I play with him. I think maybe he's not as transparent about the flow of his thoughts to me, because I think I just often don't see how he gets from one place to the next.

 

Anyway, I'm not trying to rag on Sili, I'm just saying, I have this problem with him. And I would always find him scummy because of it, except that I've now played with him enough times that I realize I can't really trust my gut instinct to find him scummy. (Which basically leaves me feeling like i have no idea how to read him, but that's not really the point here). My point is, I can see how someone like Wombat, who tends to be pretty logical, might have a similar problem with Sili, and his seeming to jump all over the place. I haven't had a chance to reread yet, but from what I remember, that was a lot of Wombat's argument against Sili, that he seemed all over the place. I was reading their exchange at EOD and couldn't figure out if this was scum Wombat pressing an easy lynch target, or if he just genuinely had a problem with Sili's play and found it scummy.

 

So, I was wondering how much experience he had playing with Sili. If he hasn't played with him much, then I can see that maybe he really just found Sili's play, which was kind of typical for him, scummy. If he has more experience with him, then that raises my suspicions. I will admit that i haven't had that strong townie feel about Wombat that I sometimes get from him at the start of a game, but I don't always get that feeling every time he's town. Sometimes it takes until Day 2 or 3 before I start feeling more certain about him.

 

Sorry for the rambling explanation, I am in desperate need of some sleep, so my thoughts aren't really sticking together well atm.

 

Sili is definitely hard for me to read.  Last game I played with him, I CFD'd him on a hunch on D1 with disastrous results, so I feel kinda bad for mislynching him D1 again, but, given the same information, I'd do it again.  None of that means I can't read Sili or that I'm going to stop trying to.  He strikes me as spastic and instinctive, but I can read those types of players more often than not.  I used to have a very hard time reading either Lily or Des, but I didn't give up then and I won't now.  I just have to adjust each time I learn something new.

 

 

Gah. I'm tired and your contradictions are hurting my head. 

 

I'm curious, what 'something new' did you learn about Sili this game, if learning about how to read him is something you were actively trying to do? I didn't get the vibe that that's what you were doing.

 

Essentially, I have no problem with you not changing your vote if you were certain, but the fact that you voted him as early as you did is concerning, especially when you contrast that action here, after his flip, with your assertion that you find him hard to read.

 

Would you say you found Sili hard to read this game? Or that you simply got him wrong?

[Cass]

Ninja'd.

 

Alanna - you said I " turned up right before the deadline". - but you also say that I had posted before the deadline.

 

Let me clarify. You did post before the deadline. You voted dice at some point, right? I don't remember exactly when that was, but I'm thinking it was a few hours before. Then - the last time you posted before ten minutes before deadline, it was about an hour and a half before deadline. You said something about your vote not being OMGUS, or his vote not being OMGUS, or something. 

 

Then - on thread - you disappeared until about ten minutes before the deadline. When I say you disappeared, I mean you didn't post at all. I don't mean you weren't checking in on the game. I'm assuming you were because you said you were, when I asked you were you'd been. Does that make sense? 

 

So when I say you "turned up" right before deadline, I mean you turned up on thread, and posted. But you said previously that you were online during all that time. 

 

Does that make sense? Is this making sense to anybody?

 

It all makes sense, essentially. But I still don't know what you're getting at, or why it's so important that we all understand...?

[Cass]

[v]Hally[/v]

 

Best lynch imo.  Choo choo.

 

Do you have specific reasons?

[Alanna]

 

Ninja'd.

 

Alanna - you said I " turned up right before the deadline". - but you also say that I had posted before the deadline.

 

Let me clarify. You did post before the deadline. You voted dice at some point, right? I don't remember exactly when that was, but I'm thinking it was a few hours before. Then - the last time you posted before ten minutes before deadline, it was about an hour and a half before deadline. You said something about your vote not being OMGUS, or his vote not being OMGUS, or something. 

 

Then - on thread - you disappeared until about ten minutes before the deadline. When I say you disappeared, I mean you didn't post at all. I don't mean you weren't checking in on the game. I'm assuming you were because you said you were, when I asked you were you'd been. Does that make sense? 

 

So when I say you "turned up" right before deadline, I mean you turned up on thread, and posted. But you said previously that you were online during all that time. 

 

Does that make sense? Is this making sense to anybody?

 

It all makes sense, essentially. But I still don't know what you're getting at, or why it's so important that we all understand...?

 

 

What I'm getting at: I found it opportunistic of Hallia to turn up right before deadline and claim she was very against the Sili lynch. It sounded like she was setting herself up to be able to say "I told you so" when he flipped town, thereby earning her town cred. I must have explained this at least twice already.

 

Why it's important you understand: I'm sorry, but typically when I case someone, I like to hear what others thinks about it. And I can't get thoughts back on my case if people don't understand it. If it seems like I was harping on about it, it's because some people seemed not to understand. (See: Verbal). Do you not agree that clear communication between town is important to find scum?

 

If you don't agree with my thoughts on Hallia, that's fine. If you think I'm making too big a deal out of it, fine, I did ask if others felt that way. But you seem to have a problem with me presenting my case at all, and I don't understand why. I'm trying to scumhunt. Do you think it's better if I sit back and do nothing?

[Arsis]

If it's anu consolation I understand your argument. You're saying she popped in before it was too late to actually change anything to say she didn't agree. You're saying it looked opportunistic. It's something to keep in mind. What are people not getting?

[Cass]

 

I can't really do much more until some of my nulls start posting more.  I've already tried to explain myself to people the only way I know how.  Either they can't see it, or they are scum.  If people bring up new arguments, I'll respond to them, but rephrasing ones I've already answered multiple times like Verb is doing doesn't cut it.

 

 

Scum reads:  Eldrick, Nolder and Alanna.

 

Doubt much changes.

 

 

Ok, caught up and this game is getting interesting :D

 

Won't try addressing specific quotes on mobile but primarily, bad tones of Verb, Alanna and Wom concern me and I really want to ISO there and nut that out. Those are the three standing out the most to me right now, along with Eldrick. I am not going to let that go. I think that Eldrick's scum *runs from mentor*

 

See you all this afternoon!

 

Ugh.  As this is highly subjective, I shouldn't even bother asking....but I'm curious.  Exactly how is my tone "bad"?  How does that equate to you feeling suspicious?

 

Let's put it another way.  Assume for a minute that I actually know what I'm doing in a mafia game.  If I want to sound sincere in a post, I'm going to.  If I want to sound frustrated in a post, again - I will.  You 'tone readers' focus too much on how something is said, before focusing on what is said, or better yet.............................

 

...........................instead, I prefer to focus on what is not said.  How Wombat did not immediately address the issue Sili brought up (and later, me).....only to think harder on it and have a 'better' response afterwards.  The initial firing from the hip, to me, is suspicious.  I don't see how my tone in expressing this has ANYTHING to do with what I am expressing.

 

 

Sorry, subjective is something I'm working on with Darthe. He doesn't like me saying tone either. Says it's just a cop out for not consciously recognising something/being able to explain why and that if I want to be credible and not keep throwing myself down holes then I need to start digging deeper into the random things I find 'off' and address the source of the problem instead of just flinging everything little random thing I'm uncomfortable with out there and saying it's bad because 'tone'. And he's probably right. 

 

If I try to be more objective, the what​ of your push on Wom is valid - this one's easy, essentially I agree with you. I'm considering him potential scum for the same reasons, and I'm not saying that you're wrong. But whats (or what nots) don't mean too much on their own, what matters more to me is why. Why are people saying what they're saying, pushing what they're pushing, voting who they're voting when? I have to ISO you properly after I finish catch up to dig further, but basically what I'm cautious about with you (so far) is:

 

You were reading Sili Town from early on, and highlighted that you found it easy;

You were a slow voter/weren't voting anyone at EoD yesterday;

Since today, you're leading a fast moving train, using a lot of what was brought up by Sili.

 

Coupled with randomly interspersed examples of 'bad' tone like up above (the bold).

 

Assuming you sound exactly how you want to sound when you post, and that you have your reasons for it - what was the Town motivated reason for using that tone with me?

[LilyElizabeth]

 

 

 

 

Can't tell if you're serious or not here, Eldrick.

Serious about what? Sorry, I'm still doing my reread.

 

 

You are pointing out really obvious stuff like it's a revelation or something.

 

It's stuff I overlooked before. This is my trying to contribute to the thread. I'm not newb, but I'm not good either.

 

 

 

Reads like busywork or fluff to me but I'll leave it for now.

 

 

 

Thought on the No Lynch at EoD D1

 

Thane voting for it makes sense. he was the cop, and wanted to get info before lynching.

Sili's reasoning was not trusting the wagons, or the vibes in the air. Not sure how to take that.

 

@Lily. You said you don't normally No Lynch D1. Why did you want to this time?

 

 

I also noticed that Yates jumped his vote around a LOT in the last few hours. Does that mean anything?

 

 

 

Also, Lily hopped on the Sili wagon 5 mins before deadline, when it was already clearly winning. I don't like that.

 

[unvote]

[v]Lily[/v]

 

 

All of this annoys me.

 

@Lily: What's your take??? And, if you haven't already answered I'd also be interested in the answer to the question about No Lynch on D1...

 

 

Knowing Eldrick as well as I do, I believe it's exactly as he says. He's trying, but he's very rusty at this game. I did already answer about the no lynch. I didn't have any suspects and it seemed the best option. 

[Pralaya]

 

 

Ok. Back with D2 start. Caught up to page 70. Meh, game is faster than I can catch up.

 

My thoughts so far.

 

I initially thought sili was scum too, but his play after he claimed vig was his pure town play.

 

I kinda get why wombat and not Bob voted him initially. At the same time, I have to look at those who voted him AFTER the claim. Alanna, Cass and Nolder. My lynch pool would be right there.

 

Alanna's overly defensive posts on N1 is so unlike her. Her sili vote, especially after she talks about not having a confident scum read on anyone, reeked.

 

Nolder jumping on sili after the claim, especially to break the tie with No Lunch did not look good. At least, Cass was consistent with her views on sili since the beginning.

 

Lily's vote in sili was benign. It was minutes before the deadline and unnecessary if scum.

 

Add to others, halla is town vibing. Eldric feels like confused town. Dice also having good town vibes.

 

Torn on wombat, verbal and leelou. All three appear towinsh at some points and scummy at another.

 

[v]Alanna[/v]

What do you think about both Leelou and I voting Wombat together here, then?

 

As I said, all the have pinged in certain places and town vibe in others. Wombat's post about him admitting to tunneling sili and not removing the vote off him sounded a bit off. Your D1 post calling sili town when I thought he was scum, also looked off.

 

From what I can see, I would say wombat/verbal are not w/w and there is no distancing here. Similar holds for leelou.

[Cass]

Wombat, you, Dice.

 

So your vote on Dice is serious?

[Pralaya]

Scum reads: Eldrick, Nolder and Alanna.

 

Doubt much changes.

Like this read. Maybe not eldrick as much. But the others, yeah

[Pralaya]

 

Anyone know of a good potato based Vodka? It's the only kind I'm allowed to bring into the office next week.

How did I not see this??

 

Chopin. Polish Potato Vodka? What? That's right. It's the boss.

Ummm, Aren't all vodka potato based?

[Alanna]

For the people that scumread Nolder, can I ask why? Hadn't played with him in a long while and wasn't sure how to read him myself.

[Cass]

 

Lily's vote felt okay for me because it felt like her. I'm not sure if I can explain that better...I've played with Lily a lot and go mostly with my gut with her. I'll look back at it in a minute and see if I can explain better.

 

What OMGUS thing are you talking about? If you're talking about her supposedly OMGUS vote on dice, that has nothing to do with why I suspect her. If you're saying my attitude towards her is OMGUS, uh, no. I went after her first. Am I missing what you meant here?

 

 

Ok, fair enough for now. If you get a chance can you also give me your point of view on the way she voted Wombat?

 

 

I worded it poorly, but basically what I'm getting at is I did find your early response to her comments, when you 'went after her first', defensive enough that it's something that stood out to me. And then here, when you break down the case extensively, you mention the annoyance yourself and again it stands out (post spoilered):

 

Okay, sorry about this big quote post, but I just thought it would be helpful to illustrate what I was talking about here with Hallia.

 

[spoilered]

Okay, so this was about an hour and a half before deadline. Hallia voted dice and continues to focus on him in these 3 posts:

Ha, no Dice. It's not OMGUS. I didn't turn right back around on you and vote, your shoddy reasoning is plenty. But go ahead and try for it.

 

No, it's an oh my god ur scum!

 

(See what I did thar)

 

So dice is voting me because....REASONS

 

 

 

 

Next: I actually missed this post until just now, but further supports that Hallia was indeed around in the time leading up to the lynch. This is 40 minutes before deadline. I believe she was talking to Wombat, who said he had pushed other people besides Sili. 

You were pushing me? I barely recall much from you.

 

 

 

Next post is nine minutes before deadline, responding to Yates or Nolder, I think? She's saying she doesn't think Sili will flip scum. Calls out people who didn't come back for deadline.

I don't think he will. While I don't particularly have a town read on Womby I also don't have a scum read on him.

 

I'm glad you came back before EoD though.

 

Frowning faces to those who voted/didn't vote and bailed.

 

 

Next post is 6 minutes before deadline. 

Alanna, is there anyone else you'd consider? I hate lynching a town PR potentially.

 

 

 

 

Sorry Sili, I tried. :( I don't think you're scum for what it's worth

So see, a post like this looks bad to me. She says she tried, but she really didn't. This comes off as setting herself up to being able to say 'I told you so' and to start pointing fingers at everyone who lynched Sili.

 

 

I would've v.v

This was in response to me saying I would have lynched Eldrick as well, but that no one had really seemed like they wanted to move to him in the last hour or so before deadline. She's saying she would have, but she never said that at any point before the lynch... at least, not until about five minutes before deadline.

 

 

In these next few posts, she makes it clear she was around and would have switched to someone else in order to avoid Sili's lynch:

 

Hey I was here, and available for a switch. So yes, I will fight Sili's lynch.

 

Ahem.

Obviously I'm reading into one word here, but this was her post to me immediately following Sili's flip. Kind of seems like an 'I-told-you-so.'

 

Yep, I have been posting off and on for the past few hours.

 

 

 

And lastly:

Because you didn't budge.

 

She says here that I wouldn't budge my vote off of Sili, though she certainly never asked me, or anyone else, to do so. I did say at one point - about 45 minutes before deadline - that I had decided not to unvote him, whereas I had been considering it before. So maybe that's what she meant, and if so, that's on me, because I guess I came off more firm than I was. Had someone actually said something to me about maybe lynching elsewhere (kind of like Hally did 5 minutes before deadline), I definitely would have been open to it.

 

 

 

I don't know. Maybe I am making too big a deal about this. At the time, I was really annoyed about her coming in at the last minute to scold us for lynching Sili, and maybe some of that residual annoyance is causing me to focus on this too much. Thoughts?

 

You've explained your reasons for pushing the point about her comments/actions really well and you make perfectly good points. And then you downplay it with 'maybe I am making too big a deal about this' and mention you were annoyed (suggestive of OMGUS, to me). I just don't see why you would mention it when you otherwise sound confident and have demonstrated a clear case. 

[Arsis]

I can vote Alanna right now.

[Cass]

What I'm getting at: I found it opportunistic of Hallia to turn up right before deadline and claim she was very against the Sili lynch. It sounded like she was setting herself up to be able to say "I told you so" when he flipped town, thereby earning her town cred. I must have explained this at least twice already.

 

Why it's important you understand: I'm sorry, but typically when I case someone, I like to hear what others thinks about it. And I can't get thoughts back on my case if people don't understand it. If it seems like I was harping on about it, it's because some people seemed not to understand. (See: Verbal). Do you not agree that clear communication between town is important to find scum?

 

If you don't agree with my thoughts on Hallia, that's fine. If you think I'm making too big a deal out of it, fine, I did ask if others felt that way. But you seem to have a problem with me presenting my case at all, and I don't understand why. I'm trying to scumhunt. Do you think it's better if I sit back and do nothing?

 

 

The bold is absolutely important to me. I think we're getting wires crossed. I hadn't seen your responses to my previous post, but what I was getting at was basically the same thing, just later since I was replying to stuff in the order of my re-read of the thread. Does that make sense? Did my last reply help at all? I definitely don't have a problem with you presenting a case on Hallia, she's one of the players I'm really trying to figure out and the potential motives behind her actions there are a concern to keep in mind. I'm just analysing your stuff equally, and what stands out as strange about this is not your case, per se, it's the defensive/aggressive tone. 

[Arsis]

[v]unvote vote Alanna [/v]

[Cass]

Re: Lily's vote. When I first read it, I remember thinking it was kind of unnecessary - but Lily often votes to consolidate on Day 1, and I would imagine this is true for her even with hybrid hammer. She is in no way cleared for me, but her vote on Sili didn't come off as scummy to me.

 

Thanks

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Hally (2): Dice, Wombat

 

Wombat (5): Verbal, Hally, Lily, Leelou, Eldrick

 

Alanna (2): Pral, Arsis

 

Leelou (1): Sooh

 

Arsis (1): NotBob

 

Not Voting (5): Alanna,Cass, Yates

 

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch

 

Deadline is Monday April 6th at 4pm MST.

 

Countdown timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150406T16&p0=3862&msg=End+of+D2&csz=1

[Cass]

 

 

 

 

 

Can't tell if you're serious or not here, Eldrick.

Serious about what? Sorry, I'm still doing my reread.

 

 

You are pointing out really obvious stuff like it's a revelation or something.

 

It's stuff I overlooked before. This is my trying to contribute to the thread. I'm not newb, but I'm not good either.

 

 

 

Reads like busywork or fluff to me but I'll leave it for now.

 

 

 

Thought on the No Lynch at EoD D1

 

Thane voting for it makes sense. he was the cop, and wanted to get info before lynching.

Sili's reasoning was not trusting the wagons, or the vibes in the air. Not sure how to take that.

 

@Lily. You said you don't normally No Lynch D1. Why did you want to this time?

 

 

I also noticed that Yates jumped his vote around a LOT in the last few hours. Does that mean anything?

 

 

 

Also, Lily hopped on the Sili wagon 5 mins before deadline, when it was already clearly winning. I don't like that.

 

[unvote]

[v]Lily[/v]

 

 

All of this annoys me.

 

@Lily: What's your take??? And, if you haven't already answered I'd also be interested in the answer to the question about No Lynch on D1...

 

 

Knowing Eldrick as well as I do, I believe it's exactly as he says. He's trying, but he's very rusty at this game. I did already answer about the no lynch. I didn't have any suspects and it seemed the best option. 

 

 

Saw the no lynch answer in the catch-up I just finished, thanks for answering again.