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Arsis Rising Star

Arsis

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[v]bob[/v]

 

Opportunism is ugly. He's been here this long and the only thing he can do is look like he is doing work by going after me.

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Hallia Spam Master

Hallia

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If I didn't want Wombat so much I'd be on you like white on rice, NotBob

Get a room! hehe

LOL

XD LOLOLOLOL

Alanna Spam Master

Alanna

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Ok, caught up and this game is getting interesting :D

Won't try addressing specific quotes on mobile but primarily, bad tones of Verb, Alanna and Wom concern me and I really want to ISO there and nut that out. Those are the three standing out the most to me right now, along with Eldrick. I am not going to let that go. I think that Eldrick's scum *runs from mentor*

See you all this afternoon!

 

I'm not against tone reads, but what exactly does "bad tone" mean here? I mean, that could mean anything. I assume you're going to extrapolate on this at some point.

 

On further reflection, I don't see Lily's vote as scummy. If she was caught up when she made it, or it was a hammer vote, then maybe. It was neither.

[unvote]

 

I was okay with this post where you unvote Lily until it was followed by this:

 

Verb's reasoning is sound. It's not stuff I pick up on myself, but it makes sense.

 

[v]Wombat[/v]

 

(Sorry if repost. DM is being stupid.)

 

Very much looks like you're trying to hop onto a wagon. Which, btw, is something I recall you doing pretty blatantly in my Arthurian game.

 

 

 

Verb's reasoning is sound. It's not things I pick up on myself, but it makes sense to me.

 

[v]Wombat[/v]

 

Going with the flow again? 

 

It seems to work. When I come up with original ideas, you guys jump down my throat about it.

 

@Cass: The things that Verb picked up on had to do with his meta. How he voted. His reasoning made sense. Alanna supported it. Two people thinking someone was scum for the same reason was enough for me.

 

 

Also: are you saying here that I supported what Verb said about Wombat's meta, and Verb and I thinking Wombat was scum was enough for you? Cuz I'm pretty sure that was not how that happened at all. Where did you get that I supported what Verb was saying about Wombat?

 

Sooh Spam Master

Sooh

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If Pral is town and supports Yates' mason claim, then Yates is town as well.

What if he doesn't? Have I not done enough work on my own for you to develop a read on me independent of my claim? It just seems weird that you are basing your read of me off Pral - who has like 4 posts.

 

Actually from previous experience with you the highest you've come in my clear pile on your own is null to town... Pral seemed to have a good read on things and I liked what he saw, plus he hasn't denounced you yet :tongue: 

 

This is a complicated game with many to read, and I'm doing my best to keep up and sort all of you into categories so far.

Alanna Spam Master

Alanna

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I'm liking Hallia's posts with Wombat... He talks quite a bit without saying much... 

 

Do you see them as scum together? 

 

No, that is doubtful. I don't know which is which yet though.

 

 

Your first post where you say Wombat is talking without saying much - there, it sounds like you think Hallia is right and he may be scum. But here you hedge on that, when Leelou questions you. So you don't like Hallia's posts after all?

 

I'm not catching up if I'm getting lynched. Toodles.

 

I was with you until this. You have maybe one vote on you, and two people questioning you. Getting a little overdefensive there.

 

That said, I really don't get the sense on asking Arsis for reads if he literally has not read the thread yet. What was he supposed to say?

 

Arsis Rising Star

Arsis

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food for thought

 

I like how over defensive Arsis got over one little vote with Wombat clearly in the lead

 

nice way to avoid further commentary...slot returns to a wallflower...disappointed really...expected more from him

I hate the way you type.

鲍勃不是我的名字 Experienced

鲍勃不是我的名字

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food for thought

 

I like how over defensive Arsis got over one little vote with Wombat clearly in the lead

 

nice way to avoid further commentary...slot returns to a wallflower...disappointed really...expected more from him

I hate the way you type.

 

 

I type the way you hate.

Arsis Rising Star

Arsis

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food for thought

 

I like how over defensive Arsis got over one little vote with Wombat clearly in the lead

 

nice way to avoid further commentary...slot returns to a wallflower...disappointed really...expected more from him

I hate the way you type.

I type the way you hate.

You.... Type.... Like..... William.... Shatner.... Sings......

鲍勃不是我的名字 Experienced

鲍勃不是我的名字

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food for thought

 

I like how over defensive Arsis got over one little vote with Wombat clearly in the lead

 

nice way to avoid further commentary...slot returns to a wallflower...disappointed really...expected more from him

I hate the way you type.

I type the way you hate.

You.... Type.... Like..... William.... Shatner.... Sings......

 

 

I hate the way you typed.

Cass Master

Cass

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Does anyone know how many times Wombat and Sili have played together? Or, Wombat, if you're around, could you tell me?

Probably 3 times? Maybe more. Why?

 

 

Trying to decide how I feel about his interplay with Sili. I'm just gonna say this, but I have a lot of trouble following and understanding Sili. And I'm not really sure why that is - it's not a tone or a language thing. Sometimes I think it's just me, because he'll seem to be just be all over the place, and sometimes I'll read a post of his and just literally not know what he's saying. But then later he'll be like 'But I've been so clear!' and I just feel like I'm missing something when it comes to him. I'm not saying it's his fault, necessarily, but our brain waves just don't jive, I think. It's something I've really been thinking about when I play with him. I think maybe he's not as transparent about the flow of his thoughts to me, because I think I just often don't see how he gets from one place to the next.

 

Anyway, I'm not trying to rag on Sili, I'm just saying, I have this problem with him. And I would always find him scummy because of it, except that I've now played with him enough times that I realize I can't really trust my gut instinct to find him scummy. (Which basically leaves me feeling like i have no idea how to read him, but that's not really the point here). My point is, I can see how someone like Wombat, who tends to be pretty logical, might have a similar problem with Sili, and his seeming to jump all over the place. I haven't had a chance to reread yet, but from what I remember, that was a lot of Wombat's argument against Sili, that he seemed all over the place. I was reading their exchange at EOD and couldn't figure out if this was scum Wombat pressing an easy lynch target, or if he just genuinely had a problem with Sili's play and found it scummy.

 

So, I was wondering how much experience he had playing with Sili. If he hasn't played with him much, then I can see that maybe he really just found Sili's play, which was kind of typical for him, scummy. If he has more experience with him, then that raises my suspicions. I will admit that i haven't had that strong townie feel about Wombat that I sometimes get from him at the start of a game, but I don't always get that feeling every time he's town. Sometimes it takes until Day 2 or 3 before I start feeling more certain about him.

 

Sorry for the rambling explanation, I am in desperate need of some sleep, so my thoughts aren't really sticking together well atm.

 

As for others on the Sili lynch - I feel okay about Lily's vote. Nolder, it's hard to tell. His voting Sili when Sili refused to work with the town is definitely something he would do, but that would also be a convenient excuse to vote him as mafia. I don't have any experience playing with Cass, but I believe she'd telegraphed iffy feelings about Sili earlier, so her vote doesn't seem too off. Not bob, I have no idea. TBH, I was one of those people who wasn't crazy about his play Day 1, but others who know him better kept saying he was okay, so I didn't say anything. But I wasn't really ever sure about that whole "slip" of Sili's, and if I look at it totally objectively and don't let what others say about him cloud my instinct, then I kind of feel it was a pretty lazy vote.

 

I'm not limiting my suspects to the Sii lynch, though. I'm kind of uncomfortable doing that because I know I myself didn't have a very good reason to vote Sili, and you know, it was Day 1. That happens to a lot of people. It seems likely there was at least one scum on Sili's lynch, but it's also possible there wasn't, either. However, I really need to do a reread of earlier stuff on Day 1, and I'm not sure if I'll have time for that today. Maybe later this evening, if not, tomorrow.

 

I'm definitely suspecting Hallia. (The world has returned to normal, I guess?) I think I outlined it earlier, but I just don't get her play at EOD. She claims she was pretty much online the last 2 or 3 hours leading up to the lynch. I checked back, and the last time she posted (before she turned up about 10 minutes before the deadline) was about an hour and a half before deadline - she posted a couple of times then, and was only posting about her vote on dice, and dice voting her. So I don't get her turning up so close to deadline and being so against the Sili lynch and trying to stop it when there obviously is no time. I don't get sitting back and watching that last couple of hours and not saying anything to try and stop Sili's lynch, or trying to ask others if we can consolidate elsewhere.

 

She votes for dice a few hours before deadline - okay, fine. He was her top scum suspect, and maybe she's thinking others will follow her vote. But I just think at some point you realize this isn't going to happen - and no, not so late as ten minutes before deadline - and start asking if others who are online are willing to lynch elsewhere. You know? The only townie explanation I can put together on her behavior is that she really thought others would follow her onto dice, even though pretty much no one else was talking about lynching him, and she wasn't pushing him as a candidate at others, either.

 

Anyway. Those are my kind of scattered thoughts. I need a nap and then I have to get some errands done, but hopefully I'll be in and out here. Just FYI, Easter is kind of a huge deal in my household, and we have a lot of church and family stuff to do, starting this evening and going on through Monday, so I may not be here too much over the next three days. But I do really want to get to that reread, so I will try.

 

 

I can agree with/understand most of this.

 

A couple of things stand out though...

- You didn't mention why you felt okay about Lily's vote but you went into more detail for everyone else... why? What made Lily's vote ok for you?

- Feels like you may be pushing the OMGUS thing a bit far with Hallia, and you run with it more later on... why?

WWWwombat Spam Master

WWWwombat

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@Wombat-

 

Here's the thing.  If you're scum, you are being careful enough so I don't have a "smoking gun".  But if you're town, you're being sloppy enough....which is unlike you.

 

I hope that helps you see where I'm coming from.

 

Not sure how it's sloppy to lock in on a guy who I think is scum and is going to shoot me.

 

 

When he was towntelling all over the place?

 

 

I disagree.

 

 

 

 

Why is it?

 

No reason?

 

Mmmmmhm.

 

I've been pointing out your scummy posts for a while now.  No need to reiterate.

 

 

Not really.  You've mentioned you like her attitude, and then talk about some of her posts as they've "muddled your read", which implies you are not sold either way.  So I'd classify this as a misrep on your part.

 

 

I also pointed out posts she made that I didn't like.  IIRC, you agreed with me that her attitude was not alignment indicative.  And the read muddling thing was because I had Hally as scum but she echoed something I was kind of thinking at the time (Thane CFD).

 

 

 

I can tell my scumdar is correctly calibrated because Thane has already pinged twice.

 

Still think that scumdar is working properly?

 

 

 

(he should not have pinged at all)

 

This is just grandstanding nonsense.  You know exactly how I meant that and you trying to use it against me looks like crap.

 

 

 

 

Still dodging the question I see

 

Your reaction to the mason claim.  Your blatant sheeping as well as your push on me.  So far you are doing nothing but playing defense and sheeping.  I know you can do better as town.

 

Anyway, try not to lynch any town power roles while I'm gone.  Or if you do, make sure to blame it on a town leader.

 

 

Is this a softclaim of townie PR?  Let's not dance around this type of thing.  If you post it, expect it to be called out.  And feel free to accuse me of rolefishing.  :-)

 

 

Why on earth should I answer that question?  Rolefisher.

WWWwombat Spam Master

WWWwombat

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Verb's reasoning is sound. It's not things I pick up on myself, but it makes sense to me.

 

[v]Wombat[/v]

 

Gross.

 

 

I'm liking Hallia's posts with Wombat... He talks quite a bit without saying much... 

 

lolok

WWWwombat Spam Master

WWWwombat

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If Pral is town and supports Yates' mason claim, then Yates is town as well.

What if he doesn't? Have I not done enough work on my own for you to develop a read on me independent of my claim? It just seems weird that you are basing your read of me off Pral - who has like 4 posts.

 

 

Agreed.

 

 

 

I can't really do much more until some of my nulls start posting more.  I've already tried to explain myself to people the only way I know how.  Either they can't see it, or they are scum.  If people bring up new arguments, I'll respond to them, but rephrasing ones I've already answered multiple times like Verb is doing doesn't cut it.

 

 

Scum reads:  Eldrick, Nolder and Alanna.

 

Doubt much changes.

 

 

Ok, caught up and this game is getting interesting :D

 

Won't try addressing specific quotes on mobile but primarily, bad tones of Verb, Alanna and Wom concern me and I really want to ISO there and nut that out. Those are the three standing out the most to me right now, along with Eldrick. I am not going to let that go. I think that Eldrick's scum *runs from mentor*

 

See you all this afternoon!

 

Ugh.  As this is highly subjective, I shouldn't even bother asking....but I'm curious.  Exactly how is my tone "bad"?  How does that equate to you feeling suspicious?

 

Let's put it another way.  Assume for a minute that I actually know what I'm doing in a mafia game.  If I want to sound sincere in a post, I'm going to.  If I want to sound frustrated in a post, again - I will.  You 'tone readers' focus too much on how something is said, before focusing on what is said, or better yet.............................

 

...........................instead, I prefer to focus on what is not said.  How Wombat did not immediately address the issue Sili brought up (and later, me).....only to think harder on it and have a 'better' response afterwards.  The initial firing from the hip, to me, is suspicious.  I don't see how my tone in expressing this has ANYTHING to do with what I am expressing.

 

 

I've already addressed this and it still makes no sense.

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