Warehouse 13 Mafia- Mafia Wins!

[Eldrick4221]

 

As for why I think you're town. I forgot to touch base when it was recent. Then the whole fiasco about me bringing up triggers in the first place, I left it alone. But, since you bring it back up, here's my reasoning. IMO, if Yates and Pral's trigger was to be the two that didn't post, yours was simply the last to post. If I was making the game, I wouldn't give anything special to doing that.

At the time, I thought it was a good idea. I did drop it because I wasn't getting support.

This bothers me. There is a lot to be said for not pursuing something that isn't going to happen, but I find it hard to see how a townie could have thought it was a good idea to lynch Yates on D1. Do you still think it's a good idea or have you just given it up because it's not happening and you were taking heat for it?

I think any confirmed living townie is a good idea. Lynching scum is optimal, but anything that lessens the potential scum pool is +EV (Am I using that correctly?)

[Yates]

 

 

you guys keep telling me i should leave yates alone, but i said i would page 35.

AND THEN YOU DIDN'T!!!

 

JESUS MONTERO, MARY MARY QUITE CONTRARY, AND JOSEPH STALIN!!!

 

YOU LITERALLY *JUST* NUDGED ME ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE!!!

 

where? i'm kind of baffled. i've been consumed debating with wombat.

 

Finished my phisics exam :D

 

I doubt there are both masons and a cop honestly.

At least i hqvent ever seen one at the same time as masons in a small game like this.

 

I doubt there are both masons and a cop honestly.

Probably masons and a tracker. There's still going to be some type of investigative role. What's your point?

 

[Sili Quirrels]

That's not a nudge. You're being silly Yates.

 

I'm speculating on the set up.

[LilyElizabeth]

That was a fairly long catchup. I'm more focused on jury duty in the morning than I am on this game. I apologize for that. Hopefully, they will dismiss me early and I can catch up then. Otherwise, I'll be playing in the evenings for a while. 

[Yates]

I think any confirmed living townie is a good idea. Lynching scum is optimal, but anything that lessens the potential scum pool is +EV (Am I using that correctly?)

Well then this is a gross over generalization. Would you lynch a cop claim to prove his Town investigation result was legit?? Of course not. That would be absurd. You were proposing something similar. And that's why you should recognize your idea as pants on head.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

As for why I think you're town. I forgot to touch base when it was recent. Then the whole fiasco about me bringing up triggers in the first place, I left it alone. But, since you bring it back up, here's my reasoning. IMO, if Yates and Pral's trigger was to be the two that didn't post, yours was simply the last to post. If I was making the game, I wouldn't give anything special to doing that.

At the time, I thought it was a good idea. I did drop it because I wasn't getting support.

This bothers me. There is a lot to be said for not pursuing something that isn't going to happen, but I find it hard to see how a townie could have thought it was a good idea to lynch Yates on D1. Do you still think it's a good idea or have you just given it up because it's not happening and you were taking heat for it?

I think any confirmed living townie is a good idea. Lynching scum is optimal, but anything that lessens the potential scum pool is +EV (Am I using that correctly?)

 

You're right, but pral isn't in the potential scum pool, in my opinion.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

Town pursues truth.

I think you know the world of mafia isn't black and white. And this "Town pursues truth" line is a total load of crap.

 

Let's say I am lying.

 

1. Do you think I am MORE or LESS likely to be lying as Town?

2. Do you think I am MORE or LESS likely to tie myself to a scum buddy as scum?

3. Do you think I am MORE or LESS likely to be lying for good reasons - TOWN reasons?

 

Point being, you are being a stupid head and should feel stupid for pursuing a stupid push and drawing a stupid line in the sands of stupidity.

 

Remember that time you fake claimed doc at F5 and scum killed you resulting in scum being autolynched at F3? Epic, bro.

I think Towns that don't pursue truth often die, but on the other hand it is well-advised to not look too deeply unless you have a reason to. I had a reason where it concerns you, and there is a difference between deceit that's handled badly and a lie that does no harm and saves your team. If you lied, I think you did the former.

 

So.

 

1. If you're lying, you're scum.

 

Hence why I challenged your claim.

 

2. Depends on you. I don't think pralaya is scum though.

 

3. Not at all likely. You sunk that boat when you started berating anyone who challenged your claim, and being generally destructive to cement it. I think there's a line to be drawn between attracting a night kill, and constructing a fake-claim to hide behind and spread doubt.

 

That said, I've stopped pushing. It's kind of about time you acknowledged that so we can move past this.

I believe that they have a QT board. The early interchange about it is hard to fake. Because of that, it stands to reason they are either masons or scum. How can Yates be scum, but pral isn't?

[Sili Quirrels]

I don't think it's hard to fake. I've done what pral did as vanilla before, so in my mind it doesn't mean much.

[Eldrick4221]

 

I think any confirmed living townie is a good idea. Lynching scum is optimal, but anything that lessens the potential scum pool is +EV (Am I using that correctly?)

Well then this is a gross over generalization. Would you lynch a cop claim to prove his Town investigation result was legit?? Of course not. That would be absurd. You were proposing something similar. And that's why you should recognize your idea as pants on head.

No I wasn't. A lynched cop is a dead cop. A lynched mason leaves a confirmed mason alive. That was my point, and there's a big distinction between the two. I'm tired of explaining my point about this.

[Sili Quirrels]

Yates' point is a cop with a town view is like mason partners in that if you lynch the cop you get a confirmed townie.

[Eldrick4221]

I don't think it's hard to fake. I've done what pral did as vanilla before, so in my mind it doesn't mean much.

Fair enough. It came off as authentic to me.

[Eldrick4221]

Yates' point is a cop with a town view is like mason partners in that if you lynch the cop you get a confirmed townie.

Oh gotcha. I missed that. That makes more sense. Again important distinction between the two. Masons aren't an important role. Cop is. I wouldn't lynch an important role to prove they were telling the truth.

[Sili Quirrels]

it did for others too.

 

really it's just me it seems.

[Eldrick4221]

Out of curiosity, where is Pral? Haven't heard anything from him since WAY early in the day. It's been several RL days since.

[Songstress]

Official Vote Count

Sili (2): Wombat, Not Bob
Hally (1): Dice
Eldrick (2): Yates, Hally

Leelou (1): Sili


Not Voting (10): Leelou, Alanna, Nolder, Pral, Cass, Verbal, Thane, Eldrick, Lily, Sooh

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline is Tuesday March 31st @ 4:30 pm MST
Countdown Timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150331T1630&p0=3862&fg2=d390c2&msg=End+of+D1&csz=1

[Eldrick4221]

Yates, do you know what's going on with him?

[Eldrick4221]

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[v]leelou[/v]

So this feels completely out of left field. Reasons?

[dicetosser1]

 

thane you realise without meta ud be D1 lynch all the time right?? :D

 

 

notbob  can you go over that post of ures    I cant quote    where you thank sili for outing himself for me? I think I get what ure aiming at but wanna check

 

yates   was sooh seeming too agreeable to you?

 

75% of my alignment can only mean I am town...in which case he knows I'm town...ergo...he is scum who knows my alignment.

 

 

Thats what I thought you meant. thanks

 

 

Finished my phisics exam :D

 

I doubt there are both masons and a cop honestly.

 

blink

 

At least i hqvent ever seen one at the same time as masons in a small game like this.

 

double blink. I have seen it

 

also not sure id call 16 people a small game

 

 

Expressing skepticism is fine.  But a player needlessly keeps expressing the very same skepticism it reads like a covert agenda to me.

Let me be clear. I think yates lying is alignment indicative.

 

I've let it go, but if it turns out yates is lying i would strongly consider lynching him.

 

My agenda pre-page 35 was basically I thought yates was scum for lying, and for being -ev.

 

Post-35 i'm coming around to a world where he isn't lying, but still I have small doubts.

 

 

@Sili   answer me this batman...if yates lying is alignment indicative what do you say it means when he fake claims a town role and then FLIPS a Town role but a different on to claimed role?  Is lying still alignment indicative?

[Sili Quirrels]

@Sili   answer me this batman...if yates lying is alignment indicative what do you say it means when he fake claims a town role and then FLIPS a Town role but a different on to claimed role?  Is lying still alignment indicative?

 

 

I'd have been wrong. But no one would remember...

[Sili Quirrels]

 

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[v]leelou[/v]

So this feels completely out of left field. Reasons?

 

 

 

Light suspicions.

 

I was hoping leelou would ask me, so I could engage her in a conversation.

[dicetosser1]

 

@Sili   answer me this batman...if yates lying is alignment indicative what do you say it means when he fake claims a town role and then FLIPS a Town role but a different on to claimed role?  Is lying still alignment indicative?

 

 

I'd have been wrong. But no one would remember...

 

 

So if you admit ud have been wrong do you still think him lying is alignment indicative? Yes or No?

[Sili Quirrels]

Yes.

 

Although I am speaking in rhetoric and wouldn't snap-lynch Yates even if he lied.

[Sili Quirrels]

Honestly I'd go back to what II was doing, and that's building a wagon with the goal of a) clearing yates or b) lynching if he can't be cleared.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

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[v]leelou[/v]

So this feels completely out of left field. Reasons?

 

 

 

Light suspicions.

 

I was hoping leelou would ask me, so I could engage her in a conversation.

 

That's what I suspected. It just felt weird. Well the vote and suspicions are still there for her to answer to, I guess. :)

[Eldrick4221]

Not Bob. I'm having trouble following anything you say. It's not a reason to vote you, but it is annoying me.